Hi all,

My name is Niklas Gårdelid, a JAWS user from Sweden who are new to this list. :)

I have had a strange issue for a couple of days that I thought I would ask about here.

I start JAWS and after a minute or so, the braille on my display disappears and I have to restart JAWS to get it work for one more minute. :)

The speech is working fine all the time and I have even tried the display with both NVDA and Narrator, and it appears to be working without a problem.

I guess the problem has something to do with different braille drivers conflicting or something, but I have too little knowledge about that to be sure about it.

I have read that you can uninstall the braille driver that Narrator uses, but I don't see an option for uninstalling those in the Accessibility settings in the Windows Control Panel.

Does anyone have an idea of what I can do to fix this?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance and all the best!

Kind regards,

Niklas

On Mar 27, 2023, at 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 10:27 AM, K0LNY wrote:

I would always do a clean install on a used computer.

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As would I.  But read the description in the original message.  This isn't a used computer in any meaningful sense of the phrase.  It was initially set up and never really used before being passed along.

If the machine came to me from a known and trusted source, and/or already had lots of software I use installed on it, I'd definitely avoid doing a completely clean reinstall of Windows.

And I want to emphasize, again, that folder structure is created when an account is created, but that need not be associated in any way with a Microsoft Account later linked to what was initially a local account.  I have a machine on which I once reloaded Windows and created a local account named "erase," as that's what I thought would end up happening with it later.  But I decided at some point to link my Microsoft Account to it via the "Sign in with a Microsoft Account instead" link, which it did.  But that has zero effect on the existing folder structure, which still has C:\users\erase as the base folder while, if I create an MS Account linked Windows user account (which I have on several other machines) from the outset, the folder C:\Users\brite is the base folder.  It takes whatever it is that you've created as your MS-Account name and pares it down to the first 5 characters after C:\users.

If you later link what had been a local user account to an existing MS-Account, you will not see any change in the folder structure for the account so linked after the fact.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

I recoil from any definition of the relationship between artist and audience that is predicated on the audience claiming a sense of betrayal over who someone is or isn’t outside of the context in which they’re performing. What we know about an artist’s personal identity can be interesting and even illuminating; what we are entitled to know is … nothing, basically.

            ~ Mark Harris, Is Celebrity ‘Queer Baiting’ Really Such a Crime?, 

               T: The New York Times Style Magazine, Feb. 6, 2023

Hi all,

From what I understand there are two ways to send attachments.

The way we all do by attaching them to a message and another way where sighted people put for instances photos or files in the body of a message as images.

If someone puts files in the body of messages how can JAWS users see them?

If I get a message sent like this and open it on an iPhone then I’m told there are x number of images which are the attachments but opening the same message using either outlook or Thunderbird doesn’t give an indication of attachments.

TIA.

Adam Morris

P: +61 414 431105

iMessage and Facetime: adam@...

Adam Morris

P: +61 414 431105

iMessage and Facetime: adam@...

Hi Ann
We use SAP and have done so for 25 years. Whilst I don't use the cRM offering and not sure if that is the cloud on on premise version, I've found that it doesn't work very well with JAWS. We did at one stage try a specific setting with SAP but that didn't make any difference. This was a while ago now. I tend to try and use the JAWS cursor a bit if I need to however generally I'd say it is farily inaccesible. Their cloud version products appear to be a lot better. Best bet would be to ask their SAP support team to contact SAP and ask what options they may have.

Happy to discuss further if you want to reach out privately - I'm on West Austrlain time though.
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Mark Fisher
Manager - People Systems
Water Corporation of Western Australia

On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:27 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I can't tell you what you need to do without knowing whether the account set up for your friend at the beginning was a local account versus a Microsoft Account linked Windows 10 User Account.  If you open Settings, Accounts, Your Info Pane, if there's a link there that says, "Sign in with a Microsoft Account instead" then the existing account is a local one and could just be linked to any existing (or new, for that matter) Microsoft Account.  If there is one that says, "Sign in with a local account instead," that means the Windows 10 account you're using is already linked to a Microsoft Account.

It would be much easier, regardless of the existing account type, and if you're really concerned that the folder structure reflect your name (which, by the way, is not necessary if the account was local and you convert it to MS-Account linked) to create a new account on the computer linked to your Microsoft Account, copying everything over from the account you've been using, then nuke the original account.  That's way less labor intensive, in my opinion and experience, than doing a "nuke and pave" with a completely clean reinstallation of Windows 10.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

I recoil from any definition of the relationship between artist and audience that is predicated on the audience claiming a sense of betrayal over who someone is or isn’t outside of the context in which they’re performing. What we know about an artist’s personal identity can be interesting and even illuminating; what we are entitled to know is … nothing, basically.

            ~ Mark Harris, Is Celebrity ‘Queer Baiting’ Really Such a Crime?, 

               T: The New York Times Style Magazine, Feb. 6, 2023

On Mar 26, 2023, at 10:26 PM, K0LNY <glenn@...> wrote:

That is what I would do, even without considering accounts.
Just make sure you have the product key before you start.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynne Moore" <lynne57moore@...>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 9:22 PM
Subject: A Question Regarding WIndows 10 and Microsoft Accounts


Hello everyone,
The subject of microsoft accounts was being discussed earlier, so I thought
I would ask a question here. Sorry if this is inappropriate. I purchased a
laptop from a friend of mine a few years ago. She herself had just purchased
it, but had never used it. At that time, I was in a lot of trouble and my
then current computer was rendered unusable. My friend very kindly offered
to sell the computer she had just received to me and I took her up on that
offer. The person she purchased it from set up Windows 10 for her with
folders in her name, etc. My question is this: I cannot have my microsoft
account on this machine because her name is on all of the folders, etc. How
can I change these folders to my name so I can have my account back? Do I
have to totally reinstall? Thanks for any help.
Using Microsoft Windows 10 Version 22H2, OS build 19045.2728.
Lynne Moore

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 07:49 PM, JM Casey wrote:

But I want to be able to opt out, and still use a computer.

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And I say the following without a trace of snark, or meanness:  That doesn't matter, and never has mattered, and never will matter.

Operating systems are not bespoke pieces of software made for you (any you, not just you, JM) but are designed with many disparate demographics in mind where each and every one of those experiences compromises, things they don't like, so that the majority get what they want and need.

People in general need to let go of the idea that any given operating system should be exactly what they'd like it to be, because none ever will be.  And groups of people who want to de-Google Android or who think that going to a Mac from Windows or vice-versa is somehow going to "the perfect place" are in for very, very, very rude awakenings when they achieve their goals.  The grass is not always greener (in fact, in the computing sphere, you'll trade one thing you hate for another and that you love for another but in the end, it all comes out in the wash after what is generally a long, painful, and shallow learning curve.

We get what the makers give us, and not just for computers.  When did you ever get to choose what features are included with your automobiles, refrigerators, microwave, smartphone, etc., etc., etc?  It's not that there aren't choices among any of those things, but all of them come with "package deals" as a major feature.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

I recoil from any definition of the relationship between artist and audience that is predicated on the audience claiming a sense of betrayal over who someone is or isn’t outside of the context in which they’re performing. What we know about an artist’s personal identity can be interesting and even illuminating; what we are entitled to know is … nothing, basically.

            ~ Mark Harris, Is Celebrity ‘Queer Baiting’ Really Such a Crime?, 

               T: The New York Times Style Magazine, Feb. 6, 2023

Sounds like you really do need to go back to Linux. My understanding is that you can delete the whole program with one command, and no are you sure, or you don’t want to do that, etc. Nothing to prevent you from doing it. I almost deleted my c drive the other day, fortunately a dialog box popped up and said I was using it, was I sure? That one saved me. In linux there would be nothing to save me. And yes, I live with a Linux professional. He has similar issues about both Microsoft and Apple as you do. Even Google.

Karen

Well, I don’t think any of us should necessarily have to feel that we are ‘all in” or “all out”?  I’m not too happy about Google but I still use some of their services, because, it’s convenient. But I don’t use all of them, and my over-all hope is to start gradually using less, and not more, as time goes on. As for Windows…sure: I remember once in the 90s deleting my entire mod-based music collection by mistake with a del *.something command. But that’s all part of the learning experience. I personally feel I should be able to make terrible mistakes, because as painful as they can be, they are helpful in teaching me about what not to do in the future, in a way that a message saying “we noticed that you – we prvented you from –” or some similar thing simply won’t, or Microsoft themselves having backups ready for me if I screw up. If that works for you and other users, that’s awesome – But I want to be able to opt out, and still use a computer.

As for user account control: yes, I agree with you; it’s very good that it’s in place and it’s one of the reasons I don’t miss Windows XP.

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 07:18 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Nevertheless I don’t think it is Microsoft’s place to protect users from themselves. At least, I personally have no desire for Microsoft to protect me from my own foolish mistakes. I want the operating system that works and does precisely what I want it to do, not a computer nanny.

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I say the following without a trace of snark or mean intent:  Good for you!  Were you all end users, or even a significant portion of them, I'd have an entirely different opinion.

Having been in the computer biz since the mid-1980s, I'm happy to see anything that prevents users from unintentional self-harm.  I remember all to vividly the days of Windows 3.1 and XP (and even versions of Unix and Linux where the command "rm -rf *" issued at the root directory was allowed to run, without any questioning, wiping out the entire system) where people routinely destroyed all sorts of things because "no nannying" was in place.  User Account Control was one of the best things ever to come down the pike, as far as I'm concerned, because it forces someone to have a pause to think for things where you really should have paused to think before you started them (if all users were like yourself, and myself).

As to "de-Googling" the Android experience, well, you can do it and it ceases to be of virtually any use.  Almost everything you do on any smartphone (regardless of its operating system) has so many claws in the cloud and needs some way to link all the various bits together.  I can't imagine an Android-powered device stripped of Gmail, Google Contacts, access to Google Drive, the Play Store for apps, and so many other parts of the Google ecosystem any more than I can imagine having an iPhone sans an Apple ID.  Get an ancient flip phone or candy-bar style phone if you want the "De-Googled" Android experience.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

I recoil from any definition of the relationship between artist and audience that is predicated on the audience claiming a sense of betrayal over who someone is or isn’t outside of the context in which they’re performing. What we know about an artist’s personal identity can be interesting and even illuminating; what we are entitled to know is … nothing, basically.

            ~ Mark Harris, Is Celebrity ‘Queer Baiting’ Really Such a Crime?, 

               T: The New York Times Style Magazine, Feb. 6, 2023

Well, I don’t think any of us should necessarily have to feel that we are ‘all in” or “all out”?  I’m not too happy about Google but I still use some of their services, because, it’s convenient. But I don’t use all of them, and my over-all hope is to start gradually using less, and not more, as time goes on. As for Windows…sure: I remember once in the 90s deleting my entire mod-based music collection by mistake with a del *.something command. But that’s all part of the learning experience. I personally feel I should be able to make terrible mistakes, because as painful as they can be, they are helpful in teaching me about what not to do in the future, in a way that a message saying “we noticed that you – we prvented you from –” or some similar thing simply won’t, or Microsoft themselves having backups ready for me if I screw up. If that works for you and other users, that’s awesome – But I want to be able to opt out, and still use a computer.

As for user account control: yes, I agree with you; it’s very good that it’s in place and it’s one of the reasons I don’t miss Windows XP.

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 07:18 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Nevertheless I don’t think it is Microsoft’s place to protect users from themselves. At least, I personally have no desire for Microsoft to protect me from my own foolish mistakes. I want the operating system that works and does precisely what I want it to do, not a computer nanny.

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I say the following without a trace of snark or mean intent:  Good for you!  Were you all end users, or even a significant portion of them, I'd have an entirely different opinion.

Having been in the computer biz since the mid-1980s, I'm happy to see anything that prevents users from unintentional self-harm.  I remember all to vividly the days of Windows 3.1 and XP (and even versions of Unix and Linux where the command "rm -rf *" issued at the root directory was allowed to run, without any questioning, wiping out the entire system) where people routinely destroyed all sorts of things because "no nannying" was in place.  User Account Control was one of the best things ever to come down the pike, as far as I'm concerned, because it forces someone to have a pause to think for things where you really should have paused to think before you started them (if all users were like yourself, and myself).

As to "de-Googling" the Android experience, well, you can do it and it ceases to be of virtually any use.  Almost everything you do on any smartphone (regardless of its operating system) has so many claws in the cloud and needs some way to link all the various bits together.  I can't imagine an Android-powered device stripped of Gmail, Google Contacts, access to Google Drive, the Play Store for apps, and so many other parts of the Google ecosystem any more than I can imagine having an iPhone sans an Apple ID.  Get an ancient flip phone or candy-bar style phone if you want the "De-Googled" Android experience.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

I recoil from any definition of the relationship between artist and audience that is predicated on the audience claiming a sense of betrayal over who someone is or isn’t outside of the context in which they’re performing. What we know about an artist’s personal identity can be interesting and even illuminating; what we are entitled to know is … nothing, basically.

            ~ Mark Harris, Is Celebrity ‘Queer Baiting’ Really Such a Crime?, 

               T: The New York Times Style Magazine, Feb. 6, 2023