On 2/9/23, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. <fioresq1@...> wrote:

Hi:

I’ve set up the accessibility.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 09:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pdfs are reading blank in Jaws 2019 with windows 10,



What are you using to read them? If Adobe, have you set up the
accessibility? I’ve found that in Adobe setting it to read left to right and
all pages works when a document comes up blank. I have noticed that the
longer the document the longer sometimes the accessibility screen takes to
come up so I can make any changes.



Karen





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 8:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: pdfs are reading blank in Jaws 2019 with windows 10,



Hi:



All my pdf files, that do not need to be OCRED by Jaws are reading blank on
my home computer. They read fine on my 2 laptops and office computer.



Any suggestions?



Thank you.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 09:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pdfs are reading blank in Jaws 2019 with windows 10,

 

What are  you using to read them? If Adobe, have you set up the accessibility? I’ve found that in Adobe setting it to read left to right and all pages works when a document comes up blank. I have noticed that the longer the document the longer sometimes the accessibility screen takes to come up so I can make any changes.

 

Karen

 

 

 

Hi:

 

All my pdf files, that do not need to be OCRED by Jaws are reading blank on my home computer. They read fine on my 2 laptops and office computer.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thank you.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2023 6:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: using Excel

 

Hello, I just upgraded to Jaws2023. In Excel I tried to move from cell a to cell b. When using Jaws 2022 I would use the arrow keys. I now have to use the tab key. Also If I’m in a cell and make a change I use to press enter to close the cell. I know it drops me down to the next row. Now when I press enter I’m taken back to the first cell. For example, I add something to cell a1, tab to cell b1 and add something and tab to cell c1. Then I go back and update cell b1 and press enter. I’m taken back to cell a1 and not cell b2.  Are there settings I need to make? Thanks, Kevin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 3:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Winamp Update Question

 

Hi, Tom. The download link at winamp.com is working now to download the latest version of Winamp. I just tried the following link this morning, and it is working.

 

https://download.winamp.com/winamp/winamp_latest_full.exe

 

 

 

Bill:

 

Unfortunately, I got the same 404 not found error message.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

Hi, Tom. The latest Winamp version is accessible, but I'd keep my old installer for Winamp 5.66 just in case you don't like the new one. The download link for the latest version is below.

 

Download latest version of Winamp

 

 

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I use Winamp to play audio and video files here, and I understand that a new updated version of the app was recently released.

 

I’m still using version 5.66, because it seems to work quite well for what I need.

 

I am willing to try the updated version, but whenever I try to do the update function via the update now option on the app, I get a Windows exception handling error message.

 

So, I have two questions:

 

1.  Is the newest version of the app accessible with Jaws, or would I be best off sticking with version 5.66?

 

And

 

2.  If the new version is accessible, does anyone have a link to the executable file?

 

I’m using the latest version of Jaws 2023 on a Windows 10 PC.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Tom Behler

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2023 4:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Winamp Update Question

 

Bill:

 

Unfortunately, I got the same 404 not found error message.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

Hi, Tom. The latest Winamp version is accessible, but I'd keep my old installer for Winamp 5.66 just in case you don't like the new one. The download link for the latest version is below.

 

Download latest version of Winamp

 

 

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I use Winamp to play audio and video files here, and I understand that a new updated version of the app was recently released.

 

I’m still using version 5.66, because it seems to work quite well for what I need.

 

I am willing to try the updated version, but whenever I try to do the update function via the update now option on the app, I get a Windows exception handling error message.

 

So, I have two questions:

 

1.  Is the newest version of the app accessible with Jaws, or would I be best off sticking with version 5.66?

 

And

 

2.  If the new version is accessible, does anyone have a link to the executable file?

 

I’m using the latest version of Jaws 2023 on a Windows 10 PC.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Tom Behler

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

It is just when I read through the instructions, and looked at the text
boxes, I had no idea what I was looking at and what I was reading.
Didn't understand it.

Seems like I should, but this kind of stuff I am unfamiliar with.
Justin
Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

You could take a look at this, if you're looking for ideas or use cases.
Otherwise, all you do is type into the text box -- really nothing else to
it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1-5z0HgkuE


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I'm finally in.

Again.



Are there any blind friendly tutorials for this?

I'm just beginning to explore the text prompter.

Thanks,
Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I haven't seen that, no. But it was two or three weeks ago when I tried it.
This must be a new thing due to the increased demand, and I guess I just got
in at the right time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I just filled it out yesterday and got in, I thought, but now it is saying
it is at capacity again.

Are you folks getting that?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of K0LNY
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Well we need Jaws to sign up for ChatGPT.
And some may be discouraged by the fear of the sign up page, and we can
answer questions to the problems they might have.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walls" <donwalls@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: chat gpt


We do seem to be getting pretty far from JAWS here.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 7-Feb-23 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Hey.
Sure, they would. Although people have been able to plug their work into
spelling and grammar checkers for a long time, now. Not that that makes for
a perfect essay, of course.
I think while all the points raised here and elsewhere are valid and worth
thinking about, it is interesting to me how much of it comes down to people
being worried about not being able to tell whether something is human or
not.
I'm not really sure that should be at the forefront of our attention.
I'd like to point out this video, because I think it's a good cogitation on
the subject from the perspective of a writer. I think she may be a little
more hesitant about the positive possibilities of these new devfelopments
than I am, but I agree with a lot of what she says here. For contrast, too,
she has another video whose script was actually written by an AI, which she
mentions in this one I'll link here. The title of the video is "Why AI Isn't
as Good at Writing As you Think", but that doesn't necessarily mean what you
might thinks it means -- watch the video and it will make sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrfCgWM3Tk


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

You could take a look at this, if you're looking for ideas or use cases.
Otherwise, all you do is type into the text box -- really nothing else to
it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1-5z0HgkuE


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I'm finally in.

Again.



Are there any blind friendly tutorials for this?

I'm just beginning to explore the text prompter.

Thanks,
Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I haven't seen that, no. But it was two or three weeks ago when I tried it.
This must be a new thing due to the increased demand, and I guess I just got
in at the right time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I just filled it out yesterday and got in, I thought, but now it is saying
it is at capacity again.

Are you folks getting that?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of K0LNY
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Well we need Jaws to sign up for ChatGPT.
And some may be discouraged by the fear of the sign up page, and we can
answer questions to the problems they might have.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walls" <donwalls@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: chat gpt


We do seem to be getting pretty far from JAWS here.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 7-Feb-23 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Hey.
Sure, they would. Although people have been able to plug their work into
spelling and grammar checkers for a long time, now. Not that that makes for
a perfect essay, of course.
I think while all the points raised here and elsewhere are valid and worth
thinking about, it is interesting to me how much of it comes down to people
being worried about not being able to tell whether something is human or
not.
I'm not really sure that should be at the forefront of our attention.
I'd like to point out this video, because I think it's a good cogitation on
the subject from the perspective of a writer. I think she may be a little
more hesitant about the positive possibilities of these new devfelopments
than I am, but I agree with a lot of what she says here. For contrast, too,
she has another video whose script was actually written by an AI, which she
mentions in this one I'll link here. The title of the video is "Why AI Isn't
as Good at Writing As you Think", but that doesn't necessarily mean what you
might thinks it means -- watch the video and it will make sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrfCgWM3Tk


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

You could take a look at this, if you're looking for ideas or use cases.
Otherwise, all you do is type into the text box -- really nothing else to
it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1-5z0HgkuE


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I'm finally in.

Again.



Are there any blind friendly tutorials for this?

I'm just beginning to explore the text prompter.

Thanks,
Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I haven't seen that, no. But it was two or three weeks ago when I tried it.
This must be a new thing due to the increased demand, and I guess I just got
in at the right time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I just filled it out yesterday and got in, I thought, but now it is saying
it is at capacity again.

Are you folks getting that?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of K0LNY
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Well we need Jaws to sign up for ChatGPT.
And some may be discouraged by the fear of the sign up page, and we can
answer questions to the problems they might have.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walls" <donwalls@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: chat gpt


We do seem to be getting pretty far from JAWS here.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 7-Feb-23 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Hey.
Sure, they would. Although people have been able to plug their work into
spelling and grammar checkers for a long time, now. Not that that makes for
a perfect essay, of course.
I think while all the points raised here and elsewhere are valid and worth
thinking about, it is interesting to me how much of it comes down to people
being worried about not being able to tell whether something is human or
not.
I'm not really sure that should be at the forefront of our attention.
I'd like to point out this video, because I think it's a good cogitation on
the subject from the perspective of a writer. I think she may be a little
more hesitant about the positive possibilities of these new devfelopments
than I am, but I agree with a lot of what she says here. For contrast, too,
she has another video whose script was actually written by an AI, which she
mentions in this one I'll link here. The title of the video is "Why AI Isn't
as Good at Writing As you Think", but that doesn't necessarily mean what you
might thinks it means -- watch the video and it will make sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrfCgWM3Tk


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I'm finally in.

Again.



Are there any blind friendly tutorials for this?

I'm just beginning to explore the text prompter.

Thanks,
Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I haven't seen that, no. But it was two or three weeks ago when I tried it.
This must be a new thing due to the increased demand, and I guess I just got
in at the right time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I just filled it out yesterday and got in, I thought, but now it is saying
it is at capacity again.

Are you folks getting that?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of K0LNY
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Well we need Jaws to sign up for ChatGPT.
And some may be discouraged by the fear of the sign up page, and we can
answer questions to the problems they might have.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walls" <donwalls@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: chat gpt


We do seem to be getting pretty far from JAWS here.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 7-Feb-23 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Hey.
Sure, they would. Although people have been able to plug their work into
spelling and grammar checkers for a long time, now. Not that that makes for
a perfect essay, of course.
I think while all the points raised here and elsewhere are valid and worth
thinking about, it is interesting to me how much of it comes down to people
being worried about not being able to tell whether something is human or
not.
I'm not really sure that should be at the forefront of our attention.
I'd like to point out this video, because I think it's a good cogitation on
the subject from the perspective of a writer. I think she may be a little
more hesitant about the positive possibilities of these new devfelopments
than I am, but I agree with a lot of what she says here. For contrast, too,
she has another video whose script was actually written by an AI, which she
mentions in this one I'll link here. The title of the video is "Why AI Isn't
as Good at Writing As you Think", but that doesn't necessarily mean what you
might thinks it means -- watch the video and it will make sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrfCgWM3Tk


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I haven't seen that, no. But it was two or three weeks ago when I tried it.
This must be a new thing due to the increased demand, and I guess I just got
in at the right time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I just filled it out yesterday and got in, I thought, but now it is saying
it is at capacity again.

Are you folks getting that?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of K0LNY
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Well we need Jaws to sign up for ChatGPT.
And some may be discouraged by the fear of the sign up page, and we can
answer questions to the problems they might have.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walls" <donwalls@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: chat gpt


We do seem to be getting pretty far from JAWS here.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 7-Feb-23 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Hey.
Sure, they would. Although people have been able to plug their work into
spelling and grammar checkers for a long time, now. Not that that makes for
a perfect essay, of course.
I think while all the points raised here and elsewhere are valid and worth
thinking about, it is interesting to me how much of it comes down to people
being worried about not being able to tell whether something is human or
not.
I'm not really sure that should be at the forefront of our attention.
I'd like to point out this video, because I think it's a good cogitation on
the subject from the perspective of a writer. I think she may be a little
more hesitant about the positive possibilities of these new devfelopments
than I am, but I agree with a lot of what she says here. For contrast, too,
she has another video whose script was actually written by an AI, which she
mentions in this one I'll link here. The title of the video is "Why AI Isn't
as Good at Writing As you Think", but that doesn't necessarily mean what you
might thinks it means -- watch the video and it will make sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrfCgWM3Tk


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: February 8, 2023 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

I just filled it out yesterday and got in, I thought, but now it is saying
it is at capacity again.

Are you folks getting that?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of K0LNY
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Well we need Jaws to sign up for ChatGPT.
And some may be discouraged by the fear of the sign up page, and we can
answer questions to the problems they might have.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walls" <donwalls@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: chat gpt


We do seem to be getting pretty far from JAWS here.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 7-Feb-23 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Hey.
Sure, they would. Although people have been able to plug their work into
spelling and grammar checkers for a long time, now. Not that that makes for
a perfect essay, of course.
I think while all the points raised here and elsewhere are valid and worth
thinking about, it is interesting to me how much of it comes down to people
being worried about not being able to tell whether something is human or
not.
I'm not really sure that should be at the forefront of our attention.
I'd like to point out this video, because I think it's a good cogitation on
the subject from the perspective of a writer. I think she may be a little
more hesitant about the positive possibilities of these new devfelopments
than I am, but I agree with a lot of what she says here. For contrast, too,
she has another video whose script was actually written by an AI, which she
mentions in this one I'll link here. The title of the video is "Why AI Isn't
as Good at Writing As you Think", but that doesn't necessarily mean what you
might thinks it means -- watch the video and it will make sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrfCgWM3Tk


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of K0LNY
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Well we need Jaws to sign up for ChatGPT.
And some may be discouraged by the fear of the sign up page, and we can
answer questions to the problems they might have.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walls" <donwalls@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: chat gpt


We do seem to be getting pretty far from JAWS here.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 7-Feb-23 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Hey.
Sure, they would. Although people have been able to plug their work into
spelling and grammar checkers for a long time, now. Not that that makes for
a perfect essay, of course.
I think while all the points raised here and elsewhere are valid and worth
thinking about, it is interesting to me how much of it comes down to people
being worried about not being able to tell whether something is human or
not.
I'm not really sure that should be at the forefront of our attention.
I'd like to point out this video, because I think it's a good cogitation on
the subject from the perspective of a writer. I think she may be a little
more hesitant about the positive possibilities of these new devfelopments
than I am, but I agree with a lot of what she says here. For contrast, too,
she has another video whose script was actually written by an AI, which she
mentions in this one I'll link here. The title of the video is "Why AI Isn't
as Good at Writing As you Think", but that doesn't necessarily mean what you
might thinks it means -- watch the video and it will make sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrfCgWM3Tk


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 8:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: pdfs are reading blank in Jaws 2019 with windows 10,

 

Hi:

 

All my pdf files, that do not need to be OCRED by Jaws are reading blank on my home computer. They read fine on my 2 laptops and office computer.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thank you.

 

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Walls" <donwalls@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: chat gpt


We do seem to be getting pretty far from JAWS here.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 7-Feb-23 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Hey.
Sure, they would. Although people have been able to plug their work into
spelling and grammar checkers for a long time, now. Not that that makes for
a perfect essay, of course.
I think while all the points raised here and elsewhere are valid and worth
thinking about, it is interesting to me how much of it comes down to people
being worried about not being able to tell whether something is human or
not.
I'm not really sure that should be at the forefront of our attention.
I'd like to point out this video, because I think it's a good cogitation on
the subject from the perspective of a writer. I think she may be a little
more hesitant about the positive possibilities of these new devfelopments
than I am, but I agree with a lot of what she says here. For contrast, too,
she has another video whose script was actually written by an AI, which she
mentions in this one I'll link here. The title of the video is "Why AI Isn't
as Good at Writing As you Think", but that doesn't necessarily mean what you
might thinks it means -- watch the video and it will make sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrfCgWM3Tk


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 7-Feb-23 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Hey.
Sure, they would. Although people have been able to plug their work into
spelling and grammar checkers for a long time, now. Not that that makes for
a perfect essay, of course.
I think while all the points raised here and elsewhere are valid and worth
thinking about, it is interesting to me how much of it comes down to people
being worried about not being able to tell whether something is human or
not.
I'm not really sure that should be at the forefront of our attention.
I'd like to point out this video, because I think it's a good cogitation on
the subject from the perspective of a writer. I think she may be a little
more hesitant about the positive possibilities of these new devfelopments
than I am, but I agree with a lot of what she says here. For contrast, too,
she has another video whose script was actually written by an AI, which she
mentions in this one I'll link here. The title of the video is "Why AI Isn't
as Good at Writing As you Think", but that doesn't necessarily mean what you
might thinks it means -- watch the video and it will make sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrfCgWM3Tk


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?

Hi, Guys.
I'll be looking at PDF SAM soon, but wanted to see if I could work out
the Merge thing in Acrobat since that's what's here. How do I access
the toolbar? I couldn't find the key combo when I looked in JFW's
Help.

Thanks,
Dani

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 7, 2023 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it can be stopped. Perhaps teaching
ethics at early ages might help. Teaching ownership as well might help too.
I can see Glen's point too with helping us learn more about what is in our
world. I do know that each of us has a writing style that is fairly unique.
Writing essays in the classroom so the teacher has several to be able to
learn a kid's style, would help them to determine if AI was possibly used,
although it wouldn't be conclusive every time.

There might be another advantage to using it, the kids would learn to
actually spell words, rather than the misspelled attempts they use because
they know no better, or don't want to spell the whole word out in a text.
Try making out what the text messages in the 21st book of the Midnight Louie
series says. I got some. My husband got more. Some was just missed, and some
we got because we had listened to the previous 20 books. As someone who has
to correct spelling before reading it, getting a text message is painful. At
least these essays would have correct spelling, we hope.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: chat gpt

Interesting you would mention essays.
Last week, I heard someone suggest that within 10 years or so, term papers
will become extinct.
It will be purposeless to assign them as programs, given parameters and
topics, will be able to write them for students at reasonably priced rates.
People researching this have supplied students such generated papers with
the kids getting passing grades by instructors reading and grading them not
realizing the source.
This, of course, will grow more sophisticated over time; so the results will
be better.
Once schools catch on to this, paper and topic assignments will have to
change if this can be satisfactorily done.

















So, asking Bob and Mary to write a 10-page paper on a topic would become a
meaningless task unless they were somehow later tested on the topic.
This, I would call an abuse of AI; but how would you stop it?