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moderated Re: Screen shade tips:

Karen Reynolds
 

But potatoes can be so sweet.
And berries can get blue.

And, the thing about speed doesn't work if any of the family gets used to it. My husband can make out mine, and I keep increasing the speed.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Screen shade tips:

Listening ears can often be cured by using Eloquence fairly fast, and most non screenreader users will dismiss it as noise.
Those human sounding voices lend itself to being listened to by anyone.
BTW, do you should not tell secrets on a farm?
corn has ears
potatoes have eyes, and
beanstalk.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Screen shade tips:


True, in those situations I'll either turn on the screen shade or turn
the screen brightness all the way down. But I travel so rarely that I
don't really need to worry about those situations.

What concerns me more than prying eyes is listening ears.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 11:18 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:11 AM, Gene Warner wrote:

My solution to prevent prying eyes is to hook up an external
keyboard to my laptop, then close the lid.

-
Which is an excellent solution except if you need to be using the laptop
with its native keyboard when you're on site, or in a plane, etc.

Another trick if you have to use your laptop in public without an
external keyboard, and happen to be using a screen reader that does not
have a screen shade/curtain function, is this, recommended by another
computer tech when I was trying to find some way to make an old trick I
knew for diverting the Windows display work again:
The best idea I have is the use of a dummy display blank, and then
configuring windows to only display on that screen.

So plugin something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF
<https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF>

Then do this:
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/so...-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows
<https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht504128-how-to-auto-turn-off-laptop-screen-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows>

If you need local access, unplugging the HDMI dongle will enable the
local screen. Remote support software wouldn't care either way.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.
* ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

Dave Mitchell
 

Thanks Alan, I accepted and replied to the invitation you sent and look forward to reading the list messages.  Mitch

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Dave,

 

As one of the PhonesForTheBlind moderators, I sent you an invitation from the Admin page to join the list. If it doesn’t appear in your inbox, check your junk folder.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 9:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

  Hi Curtis,  I got the following ‘send error’ message:

We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large

 

As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io.

I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more.  Thanks, Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Dave:

 

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

 

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

 

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 


moderated Re: Teaching the use of screen readers:

Karen Reynolds
 

It is practically daily. My husband uses it and does updates almost every day.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 1:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Teaching the use of screen readers:

 

Are you kidding?

Linux typically is more secure than any windows.

It is always being updated.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: Teaching the use of screen readers:

 

Oh I thought Linux wasn’t being updated anymore…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 8, 2022 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Teaching the use of screen readers:

 

I'd sure like to see Freedom Scientific make a screenreader for Linux.

Linux uses almost all the native keyboard commands that windows does.

But the screenreader Orca is more like using NVDA or WindowEyes.

They could call it JFL.

I suggested this to them recently, but I never heard back.

If they could make a Linux screenreader that is close to being as robust as JFW, I think they would grab a big market.

I think more windows users would move to Linux if the screenreader was more like JFW.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: Teaching the use of screen readers:

 

Mike,

Another thing, and the title of this very topic points it out, is that you can't really teach "the screen reader" as an independent entity.  Screen readers, all of them, have as their sole reason for being giving the user the ability to access other things they want to use.  If I am not running a web browser, or word processor, or some other program that the screen reader is being used to access I can't really teach anything whatsoever useful about how one actually uses a screen reader.

The above being the case, and since the screen reader itself along with the application(s) are "soaking in" Windows, you're never able to deal with "pure" commands related to each, in isolation, as part of the natural flow of teaching how all of these things work in consort with each other.

It's funny how I have to disabuse many of the very idea that you can teach a screen reader in isolation.  You just can't.  It's an accessibility tool to other things, and as an independent entity, with nothing to access, is useless/has no reason for being.  It's a means to an end, not an end in and of itself, and you learn how to use that means by working on specific ends over time.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Dave,

 

As one of the PhonesForTheBlind moderators, I sent you an invitation from the Admin page to join the list. If it doesn’t appear in your inbox, check your junk folder.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 9:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

  Hi Curtis,  I got the following ‘send error’ message:

We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large

 

As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io.

I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more.  Thanks, Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Dave:

 

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

 

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

 

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 


moderated Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

Marty Hutchings
 

Hitting Windows key then Left arrow gets me nothing.  Hitting Windows key and Left Arrow at the same time gets me a list of open files.  I am using Windows 10.  Is this a Windows 11 key stroke?

On 8/8/2022 10:30 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Strangely, alt + F4 only works for me when I'm actually focused on the
desktop, even with all other things closed out, alt + F4 does nothing here
until I do windows M, then I can alt F4 to close windows.
So sometimes I just tap the windows key and left arrow to shutdown and
enter.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer


Alt+F4 is what I do, for one thing you don't have to first locate the
shortcut to use it so it's much quicker.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 11:14 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:
Greetings:

This information is very much appreciated. However, I have to wonder if
it wouldn’t be easier, since you’re going to the Desktop anyway, simply
to press Alt F4 and then select the Press Enter (since Shutdown is the
default choice here).

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2022 9:14 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

1. Go to the desktop and make certain no item has focus. Then bring up
the context menu, whether by SHIFT+F10 or the Applications/Context Menu
key, and select New, Shortcut from that menu.

2. In the Create Shortcut dialog that comes up, in the "Type the
location of the item" edit box, enter: C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe
/s /r /t 5

then activate the Next button.

3. In the Type a name for this shortcut edit box, enter the name of your
choosing. I tend to just call it something like "Restart in 5 seconds."

4. Activate the Finish button, which will place the shortcut using the
name you choose on your desktop.


If you were to want that restart to begin immediately, with no option to
cancel, then change that 5 to a zero. That, or get rid of the "/t 5"
entirely and substitute it with "/l".

--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall








.


moderated Structured Discovery and Assistive Technology

Mark
 

On one of the threads, there was a bit of discussion about learning experiences.  I thought I'd start a separate thread about structured discovery and assistive technology.     From what I know, structured discovery is a teaching philosophy that started with cane teaching. It emphasizes the development of non-visual skills, situational reasoning, and problem solving with a goal of greater independence.   The application of the philosophy to learning assistive technology sounds new.  The NFB had a conference about it a couple of years ago.   Has anyone heard of structured discovery with assistive tech?  I'm curious what it's like.


moderated Re: Screen shade tips:

Sharon S
 

Sometimes it doesn't even have to be that fast for the sighted person to not be able to tell what it is saying.

I have been on the front desk of our local blind society reading through things and sighted people have asked how on earth can I understand what it is saying. This is on a lower speed then I am use to because it is a computer a number of blind people use so I couldn't leave it at the speed I am use to or the next blind person might not be able to understand it so therefor they wouldn't be able to slow it down.

None of my family can understand my voice speed and they are all sighted.

From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

I don’t suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2022 1:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Screen shade tips:

Listening ears can often be cured by using Eloquence fairly fast, and most non screenreader users will dismiss it as noise.
Those human sounding voices lend itself to being listened to by anyone.
BTW, do you should not tell secrets on a farm?
corn has ears
potatoes have eyes, and
beanstalk.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Screen shade tips:


True, in those situations I'll either turn on the screen shade or turn
the screen brightness all the way down. But I travel so rarely that I
don't really need to worry about those situations.

What concerns me more than prying eyes is listening ears.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 11:18 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:11 AM, Gene Warner wrote:

My solution to prevent prying eyes is to hook up an external
keyboard to my laptop, then close the lid.

-
Which is an excellent solution except if you need to be using the laptop
with its native keyboard when you're on site, or in a plane, etc.

Another trick if you have to use your laptop in public without an
external keyboard, and happen to be using a screen reader that does not
have a screen shade/curtain function, is this, recommended by another
computer tech when I was trying to find some way to make an old trick I
knew for diverting the Windows display work again:
The best idea I have is the use of a dummy display blank, and then
configuring windows to only display on that screen.

So plugin something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF
<https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF>

Then do this:
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/so...-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows
<https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht504128-how-to-auto-turn-off-laptop-screen-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows>

If you need local access, unplugging the HDMI dongle will enable the
local screen. Remote support software wouldn't care either way.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.
* ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

Dave Mitchell
 

  Hi Curtis,  I got the following ‘send error’ message:

We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large

 

As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io.

I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more.  Thanks, Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Dave:

 

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

 

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

 

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 


moderated Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

David Diamond
 

I had no problem signing up using office 365. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of nocm@...
Sent: August 8, 2022 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Hello Dave,

 

If you go directly to the groups.io web site and log into your account you can subscribe via the web.

 

 

 

On Mon, 8 Aug 2022 16:35:23 -0700 "Dave Mitchell" <mitch@...> writes:

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

 

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

 

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 


moderated Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

Gene Warner
 

I just thought of something, I don't recall who it was that said that you can't teach a screen reader all by itself. That may be true for some screen readers like NVDA, but it isn't true for JAWS because it has so many features that can stand by themselves. Sure they are even more useful when combined with another program but they can be used all by themselves. Some examples are Picture Smart and Convenient OCR.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 8:17 PM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
I use Control+W because it's easier to do with one hand.
Gene...
On 8/8/2022 8:07 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
Hi Lori,

I believe the two keystrokes have exactly the same function. I’m like you in that control-F4 is a long-time favorite. But I can see why control-w might be a better choice.

--

My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ <https://adrianspratt.com/book/>

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Lori Lynn
*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2022 7:27 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

This exchange has me a little confused. I have always thought that if I had multiple web pages open that I was to press Control+F4 to close just one of them. I’ve never heard of Control+W. Am I mistaken?

Lori Lynn

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2022 6:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 06:27 PM, Gene Warner wrote

:

    The short version is that Alt+F4 is the Windows global close command.

-
I'm going to split a hair here, but only because I have all too often seen how important it is:  ALT + F4 is the Windows global exit command. In most instances it will close the window/program, that is, exit, whatever it is that has focus.

I've watched the horror that occurs when someone accidentally exits something, when what they meant to do was close a tab, for instance. In all web browsers that I know of right now, if you use tabbed browsing it's very good to get into the habit of using CTRL + W to close your tabs.

I love ALT + F4, and teach it, but it's important to know that it generally exits programs and, for those that don't give you, "Are you sure?," type dialogs, it can catch you out.

This page that focuses on CTRL + W makes the distinction, and does it well: https://keyboardshortcuts.org/windows-keyboard-shortcuts/close <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeyboardshortcuts.org%2Fwindows-keyboard-shortcuts%2Fclose&data=05%7C01%7C%7C72b695a1ae19426aa48008da7991ed7b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637955964912474522%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sKrNc9ZepNI01laV0KVo14Km%2BsDPuxoDiFt0YuhSM8g%3D&reserved=0>
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

Gene Warner
 

I use Control+W because it's easier to do with one hand.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 8:07 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
Hi Lori,
I believe the two keystrokes have exactly the same function. I’m like you in that control-F4 is a long-time favorite. But I can see why control-w might be a better choice.
--
My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ <https://adrianspratt.com/book/>
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Lori Lynn
*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2022 7:27 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:
This exchange has me a little confused. I have always thought that if I had multiple web pages open that I was to press Control+F4 to close just one of them. I’ve never heard of Control+W. Am I mistaken?
Lori Lynn
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2022 6:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 06:27 PM, Gene Warner wrote
:
The short version is that Alt+F4 is the Windows global close command.
-
I'm going to split a hair here, but only because I have all too often seen how important it is:  ALT + F4 is the Windows global exit command. In most instances it will close the window/program, that is, exit, whatever it is that has focus.
I've watched the horror that occurs when someone accidentally exits something, when what they meant to do was close a tab, for instance.  In all web browsers that I know of right now, if you use tabbed browsing it's very good to get into the habit of using CTRL + W to close your tabs.
I love ALT + F4, and teach it, but it's important to know that it generally exits programs and, for those that don't give you, "Are you sure?," type dialogs, it can catch you out.
This page that focuses on CTRL + W makes the distinction, and does it well: https://keyboardshortcuts.org/windows-keyboard-shortcuts/close <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeyboardshortcuts.org%2Fwindows-keyboard-shortcuts%2Fclose&data=05%7C01%7C%7C72b695a1ae19426aa48008da7991ed7b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637955964912474522%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sKrNc9ZepNI01laV0KVo14Km%2BsDPuxoDiFt0YuhSM8g%3D&reserved=0> --
Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

Curtis Chong
 

Dave:

 

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

 

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

 

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


moderated Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi Lori,

 

I believe the two keystrokes have exactly the same function. I’m like you in that control-F4 is a long-time favorite. But I can see why control-w might be a better choice.

 

--

My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lori Lynn
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 7:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

 

This exchange has me a little confused. I have always thought that if I had multiple web pages open that I was to press Control+F4 to close just one of them. I’ve never heard of Control+W. Am I mistaken?

 

Lori Lynn

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

 

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 06:27 PM, Gene Warner wrote

 

:

The short version is that Alt+F4 is the Windows global close command.

-
I'm going to split a hair here, but only because I have all too often seen how important it is:  ALT + F4 is the Windows global exit command. In most instances it will close the window/program, that is, exit, whatever it is that has focus.

I've watched the horror that occurs when someone accidentally exits something, when what they meant to do was close a tab, for instance.  In all web browsers that I know of right now, if you use tabbed browsing it's very good to get into the habit of using CTRL + W to close your tabs.

I love ALT + F4, and teach it, but it's important to know that it generally exits programs and, for those that don't give you, "Are you sure?," type dialogs, it can catch you out.

This page that focuses on CTRL + W makes the distinction, and does it well:  https://keyboardshortcuts.org/windows-keyboard-shortcuts/close 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

Gene Warner
 

Control+F4 closes the current document or web page, if the document or web page is the only one open it also closes the application unless the application can be open with no document open as most Office programs can

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 7:48 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 07:27 PM, Lori Lynn wrote:
I have always thought that if I had multiple web pages open that I
was to press Control+F4 to close just one of them. I’ve never heard
of Control+W. Am I mistaken?
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CTRL + F4 does work as CTRL + W does, but I do not choose to teach it because it's so darned easy to hit ALT instead of CTRL if you're in a hurry/distracted/etc.  CTRL + W will never exit a browser except if you have one, and only one, tab open (the same is probably true of CTRL + F4
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*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

 

How what was intended as "through" ended up as "true" I will never know.  That's a write-o, not a type-o!
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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

 

Lori,

If you intended to say something, it didn't come true.  Your last message only contains a bottom quote of my last message.  I thought you might like to know.
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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

Lori Lynn
 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 6:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

 

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 07:27 PM, Lori Lynn wrote:

I have always thought that if I had multiple weThanks.

b pages open that I was to press Control+F4 to close just one of them. I’ve never heard of Control+W. Am I mistaken?

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CTRL + F4 does work as CTRL + W does, but I do not choose to teach it because it's so darned easy to hit ALT instead of CTRL if you're in a hurry/distracted/etc.  CTRL + W will never exit a browser except if you have one, and only one, tab open (the same is probably true of CTRL + F4
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

 

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 07:27 PM, Lori Lynn wrote:
I have always thought that if I had multiple web pages open that I was to press Control+F4 to close just one of them. I’ve never heard of Control+W. Am I mistaken?
-
CTRL + F4 does work as CTRL + W does, but I do not choose to teach it because it's so darned easy to hit ALT instead of CTRL if you're in a hurry/distracted/etc.  CTRL + W will never exit a browser except if you have one, and only one, tab open (the same is probably true of CTRL + F4
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

nocm@...
 


Hello Dave,
 
If you go directly to the groups.io web site and log into your account you can subscribe via the web.
 
 
 
On Mon, 8 Aug 2022 16:35:23 -0700 "Dave Mitchell" <mitch@...> writes:

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

 

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

 

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 


moderated Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

I would try PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io one last time, and if you get another bounce message back, then forward it to, PhonesForTheBlind+owner@groups.io, explaining what's been happening and asking if you can be subscribed.

If the Owner Address bounces, then you need to e-mail support@groups.io providing the bounce messages and asking that this be checked on.
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     ~ Lauren Bacall

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