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Re: Finding available wifi connections

Steve Matzura
 

Are you asking how to locate ones geographically, or how to find out
which ones you see on your Wi-Fi cards list of available connections
are open to you? I can answer the second question, but not the first.
If you examine the list of available network names, the ones that
don't say "secure" or use some other word that means secure, like
closed or unavailable, they're useable by you without any special
access information like username or password. Everything else, no go.
I took an inventory of some of the networks I found in my own
apartment building that were open, wrote up a little note to those who
used names I could readily identify or associate with people (like
their name or apartment number), and put a little note under their
door, teling them their networks were unsecured. Two days later, they
were!

On Sun, 13 May 2012 17:20:57 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

How do I find available wifi connections?
Brian



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Re: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Steve Matzura
 

That's why there's NVDA, and System Access, and Window-Eyes, and yes,
JAWS, too, so we have choices. Now, if none of those work, well then,
they may have a case, and maybe not. Certain software will probably
never work with any screenreader ever invented because of how it deals
with screens and text displayed upon them. But that's not something a
screenreader is designed to handle, so the suit may very well go the
other way, to the software manufacturer of the inaccessible program.
It wouldn't be a pretty fight, that's all I can say for sure.

On Sun, 13 May 2012 11:31:20 -0700, you wrote:

This list is becoming more technical every day--in a bitchy kind of way.
P.S. I am not necessarily singling out the current writer but thought I'd
get this idea posted right away--before I forgot it...or maybe I should have
waited.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of epierce@...
Sent: May-10-12 1:54 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14

Not sure, in the environment in question displays the following under
Software Maintenance Agreement in "About JAWS":

"Authorized using a Network ILM Key"

So, I don't think license issues are in play in the specific setting where
the issue came up. At this point. If NVDA continues to improve, there might
be an intention to stop buying license renewals (or whatever they are called
by FS).

In an education setting, the access compliance process includes a review of
the exposure to liability that the institution might have if an access
product fails to work for a significant number of visually impaired students
with a important application.

In other words, if JAWS does not work for students using SPSS, the
institution begins to get worried that it might get sued by those students
for not providing "reasonable accommodations".

---- Original message ----
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:51:54 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "George B"
<gbmagoo@...>)
Subject: RE: CSUN report: JAWS 13 is a mess, wait for JAWS 14
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>

Well then they should give us a credit for the s m a that was used on 13
...



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Re: Personal Information Managers

Steve Matzura
 

No, because I'm not an Office user, and neither is my client who's
really the one who wants it.

On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:16:25 -0500, you wrote:

Have you tried Microsoft Outlook that comes bundled with Office?Ger
ardo

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nombre de Steve Matzura
Enviado el: viernes, 11 de mayo de 2012 08:08 p.m.
Para: jfw
Asunto: Personal Information Managers

Anyone have a recommendation for one that works well with JAWS?
Program should include appointments, addressbook (both snail and
email), phonebook, too, reminders, the whole nine yards.

TIA



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Re: Doodle Polls

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

Have you thought of using Microsoft outlook? or even Lotus notes?


Doodle Polls

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Hello:
I belong to an organization which periodically needs to schedule meetings. The person who proposes the meeting uses a Web product called Doodle. It is a kind of on-line polling mechanism. The person who initiates the poll picks a range of dates and invites members to pick their availability.
The poll then automatically computes from those who participate the best date, that is, the date upon which the most people are available.
This is all done via a Website. What else?
The site, to my way of thinking, is kind of a mess. It is one where the Web programmers went out of their way to create something that is inaccessible. A simple table with check boxes would have been so much easier.
Of course, perhaps its apparent accessibility challenges may simply be my own ineptitude.
Wondering if anyone on the list has been able to navigate successfully a Doodle Poll?
Actually, I finally managed to get through the thing, not with JAWS and my PC, but rather with my iPhone.
Regardless, it isn't easy to navigate, and I think this Web program is becoming more and more popular.
Given the accessibility challenges of this Web application, Doodle, I'm wondering if there is another Web poll type application that people on the list have used with less consternation, frustration, stress, and strain.
Any help would be appreciated.
All of us are smarter than any one of us.
Thanks!


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Re: iPhone Mailing list?

Godwin Adoyi
 

You can try Viphone by sending mail to viphone@...
HtH
Godwin

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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:25 AM
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Subject: OT: iPhone Mailing list?

Hi, Everyone.
Is there an e-mail list I can sign up for to be able to ask questions about
pairing up an iPhone or iTouch with a braille display?
Thanks,
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Re: iPhone Mailing list?

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Hello,

Subscribe to the IOS list (which I moderate) by going to www.a11y.us

Email me privately if you have trouble or questions.
Loreal


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Hi, Everyone.
Is there an e-mail list I can sign up for to be able to ask questions about
pairing up an iPhone or iTouch with a braille display?
Thanks,
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OT: iPhone Mailing list?

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, Everyone.
Is there an e-mail list I can sign up for to be able to ask questions about
pairing up an iPhone or iTouch with a braille display?
Thanks,
Dani


Re: Automatically announcement when a person log on to Facebook Chat(using Miranda)

Rick Miller
 

After downloading and installing Miranda from the web address provided in this message, what do I need to do to get it to start working? Whenever I go to the Miranda file and hit the Enter key, the only thing there is "Uninstall Miranda."


Rick Miller

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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: Automatically announcement when a person log on to Facebook Chat(using Miranda)


Hi everyone

I have setup Miranda chat client so I can connect to the chat on Facebook,
because I not longer can access the chat via Facebook website.

In connection with installation of Miranda, I have found and installed a set
of scripts to JAWS, so Miranda should be more accessible, se more here:

http://www.blind-geek-zone.net/data/miranda%20jaws%20scripts%20setup.exe

.



It is possible to adjust Miranda or the set of scripts, so JAWS read when a
person log on to Facebook chat?



I can see that the system tree chordly announce when a person log on,
because the persons name came up, and after that disappear again.



I Using JAWS 12 and 13, and Miranda version 0.9.44.



Very thanks.



Regards,

Anders

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Re: Automatically announcement when a person log on to Facebook Chat(using Miranda)

Rick Miller
 

What am i doing wrong?

I went to the URL you provided in this message. I downloaded and installed Miranda, but it doesn't seem to be working. What do I need to do after downloading it?


Rick Miller

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To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:37 AM
Subject: Automatically announcement when a person log on to Facebook Chat(using Miranda)


Hi everyone

I have setup Miranda chat client so I can connect to the chat on Facebook,
because I not longer can access the chat via Facebook website.

In connection with installation of Miranda, I have found and installed a set
of scripts to JAWS, so Miranda should be more accessible, se more here:

http://www.blind-geek-zone.net/data/miranda%20jaws%20scripts%20setup.exe

.



It is possible to adjust Miranda or the set of scripts, so JAWS read when a
person log on to Facebook chat?



I can see that the system tree chordly announce when a person log on,
because the persons name came up, and after that disappear again.



I Using JAWS 12 and 13, and Miranda version 0.9.44.



Very thanks.



Regards,

Anders

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Re: Finding available wifi connections

john.falter
 

I can tell you how to do it on an xp system.

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Subject: Finding available wifi connections


How do I find available wifi connections?
Brian
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Re: Finding available wifi connections

john.falter
 

Search Google for wifi hotspots

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Subject: Finding available wifi connections


How do I find available wifi connections?
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Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Ed, that's most helpful!
Thanks, will give that a go!

On 5/13/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:
The beauty of the change numbers is that a change number style appears for
each change, whether an addition or a deletion.
When someone else sends a comparison document, based on my experience (and I
would love to hear that someone else has a better solution), you either have
(i) to scroll through with attributes and colors turned on (deletions are,
by default, in red and in strikeout font and additions are, by default,
double-underlined and in blue) or (ii) to search alternately for added and
deleted text. That you can do by searching for styles (deletion style and
addition style), by attributes (strikeout and double underlining), or by
colors (red for deletions and blue for additions). Of course, someone could
have set up things differently from the default so the colors and attributes
may not always work. The styles, however, will always work.
Now, searching through a document for deletions and then coming back to look
for additions can be a pain. Often a deletion and an addition will be in
the same place, but not always.
Here is one more trick. Make a copy of the document. Call one, for the
sake of explanation, "Deletion comparison." Then, load both into Word. In
one window, search for deletions, and in the other window, search for
additions (Too bad one cannot search with an "or" in MS Word).
With control plus F-6, you can jump back and forth, jumping from deletion to
deletion in one document and from addition to addition in the other. If you
have something like a contract with paragraph numbers, this isn't too bad.





-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 3:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents
AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi all, what was said about numbering seems really helpful, if I'm
making my own docs.
What if I get a red lined version of a doc in e.g. from someone else,
maybe not within our organization?

How best can I pick up the changes on that.
Thanks

On 5/10/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@...> wrote:
Hi this is useful!
I want to use worksite compare both because its what our firm uses and
because Other people will send in red lined docs, which I will have to
review.
I will make a couple to play around with myself first.
Regarding headers and footers, your menu choice was correct. I knew
about that one. However, I want to get them read to me page by page.

Essentially, what I'm looking for are the settings that will give me a
reading experience as close to a sighted person looking at a document
as possible. However close that is.

So, if the indents are wrong, I'd like to know that, if the
headers/footers are sneakily changed by the other side, I'd definitely
like to know that, if the fonts or numbering is changing, I really
need that too.
Colour will be on in reading from now on.

Suggestions re settings would be great.

Ger

On 5/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
WE used to use that here at work, and I used 2000 for years. I think I
remember seeing that option, but never used it. For that matter, I know
I remember "normal," and it's not there anymore either. Perhaps "draft"
is the new normal.

Ted

Ted

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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents
AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

I was responding to someone, I thought, who was using Word 2003. As a
test, I just fired up Word 2003.
Alt plus V followed by down arrow brings up lots of view choices,
including headers/footers. To make things faster, Alt plus V followed
by H will jump right into the headers/footers. Then, arrow through
them, making whatever edits. Remember, edits on the first page footer
will carry forward by default (though you can modify this).
So, I was talking about a Word command and, at that, a Word 2003
command.
Again, just to examine the footer, or have JAWS read it, press Insert
plus F-1. The header/footer information is read right before the
margins.
This insert plus F-1 is a very useful key and should be tried before
diving into any Word document. It will identify, in addition to the
items referenced above, sections, tables, graphics, and so on.


-----Original Message-----
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DMS)
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:29 AM
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Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

What's this Alt-V business? My View tab has no header-footer option.
As for JAWS, Alt-V brings up the main JAWS menu.

Ted

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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Workshare is extremely popular as a document comparison tool. In the
early days of MS Word, it was arguably more reliable than the built-in
Word Legal Blackline feature.
I don't think that is the case any more. I actually prefer Word's
built-in Legal Blackline. When it compares two documents the comparison
document is essentially a track change document, and you can use all the
JAWS features for track changes with it. So that is convenient.
For Workshare, the client server version used to have a "next revision"
and a "previous revision" feature.
We now use a Web version, and it doesn't have that feature anymore.
So, I always import the comparison document into Word.
Workshare uses styles. So, there is a deletion style, an addition
style, and so on.
Although it depends on the document, sometimes it is easier to review
the revisions with JAWS style reading turned on.
When JAWS encounters these styles, they are announced so that you know
exactly where the deletion or addition begins and ends. Turning on
"colors" also helps.
Within Workshare itself, in addition to using change numbers, you can
also add delimiters.
Here is what I mean. You can force deleted text, for example, to appear
within braces {} and added text within lesser than and greater than
symbols <>.
Sometimes that helps, but if the document has been heavily modified, all
those symbols can create clutter.
I cannot remember what they are called, but the configuration files can
be named and saved. Then, you can use the one that best fits the
situation The best trick, however, is to use the change numbers and
then, in Word, search for the change number style.
JAWS can be set to read headers and footers. The best way, and if you
want to edit them, is to go to View (Alt plus v) and follow that with
"h" for headers/footers.
To get out of headers/footers, just go back to NORMAL View with alt plus
V and down arrow to "Normal" and hit enter.
Also, if you just want a quick read of what is in the header and footer,
press insert plus F-1 inside the Word document. JAWS will read a bunch
of document attributes, including headers and footers.
Hope this is moderately useful.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi Ed and Jeane, these are really helpful tips!

Ed, any other tips for using work share?
At the moment, I'm quite new to the environment, so I have a few
questions about one thing and another.

Opening files from the search feature or the recent documents feature
within outlook is a problem. They open eventually but it takes quite a
bit of time.
I don't think anyone else is having this problem but they use cytrix
terminals.

I wondered if this could be a jaws issue?

Thanks very much
W
I had thought of the find and replace point.

Ed, .
Another thing I am wondering is whether Jaws can be set to read headers
and foot

On 5/10/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:
Jean's tip will work.
Also, check to see if your comparison software will insert "change
numbers."
Here is why. You can search for deleted text using one font, but then
you have to go back for added text.
If you can insert change numbers, you can usually search for the
change number style. That way, you will land on every change,
deletions and additions.
Do the search as Jean suggested. Be sure to select more options.
Then, select format and style.
Then, pick the change number style.
It may be helpful first to check what your program calls the change
number style.
Turn on styles in the verbosity menu with insert plus v.
We use Workshare DeltaView, and the above technique is what I use.
Ps
Having the change numbers makes it easy to point out specific changes
if, for example, you are trying to describe or criticize a particular
change.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi all,
We use a programme to compare documents called Worksite compare, also
I compare.
I want to know how best to use jaws to access the product of these
programmes?

Also, is there a quick way of searching for text with a given font
attribute e.g. colour, bolded, etc.?


On 5/9/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@...> wrote:
Ed, that's really helpful, thanks! yes 2003 Roy. that's a great help
gerT

On 5/9/12, Roy Nickelson <roylee@...> wrote:
to select a cell tab to it the cell will be selected.
Roy

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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: selecting in tables in microsoft word


Hi all I urgently need a way to select the entire contents of a cell
or row in a table in ms word, using jaws.
At the moment the best I can do is a word at a time.
Shift + down arrow does not select a row in a table unfortunately.
thanks very much

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Re: Jaws is crashing on my new Toshiba system with a 2.2ghz64bit processor

Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...>
 

Hi,

Actually, I am upgrading from a dual core 2.16 32bit Toshiba to this new
one. ?so, yes I have successfully run Jaws on a Toshiba. In fact, Jaws 13
that came on the disk with the 852 update installed is working just fine on
it.

Thanks.

Dan Beaver

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws is crashing on my new Toshiba system with a 2.2ghz64bit
processor

Have you used JAWS successfully on the Toshiba?

A thousand years ago--at least five--when I bought a lovely new
Toshiba it crashed when I tried to use JAWS. the problem was that
there were two video cards, and poor JAWS didn't know what to
do. Disabling one of the cards fixed the problem.

I'm guessing that isn't what happened with yours, but just in case.

At 04:27 PM 5/13/2012, you wrote:
I run that version on win7 pro 64 bit and haven't experienced any
unusual level of problems. I would however suggest that you use the
download link off the freedomscientific.com website rather than the
auto-updater. I have had very mixed results trying to use the update
program that I've never had when using the full installer.

On 5/13/12, Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> wrote:
Hi,

I am using Windows 7 Home and just updated my Jaws. they sent me the
disk
and that is what I installed. When I check for updates it says 13.0.852
is

available. I am trying to get it downloaded and am hoping that will fix
this error. Is there a known problem with Jaws 13 on 64 bit systems?

I am also trying to get where I can capture the error and the offending
file. It is something that starts with MSVCR but I haven't been able to
catch the exact name of the file yet.

Any help would be appreciated although I am already aware that more info
is

probably needed.

thanks.

Dan Beaver


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Re: Jaws is crashing on my new Toshiba system with a 2.2ghz64bit processor

Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...>
 

Hi,

Yep, I just got it a week ago.

thanks.

Dan Beaver

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws is crashing on my new Toshiba system with a 2.2ghz64bit
processor

Is this a new Toshiba?
At 04:08 PM 5/13/2012, you wrote:
Hi,

I am using Windows 7 Home and just updated my Jaws. they sent me the disk
and that is what I installed. When I check for updates it says 13.0.852 is
available. I am trying to get it downloaded and am hoping that will fix
this error. Is there a known problem with Jaws 13 on 64 bit systems?

I am also trying to get where I can capture the error and the offending
file. It is something that starts with MSVCR but I haven't been able to
catch the exact name of the file yet.

Any help would be appreciated although I am already aware that more info is
probably needed.

thanks.

Dan Beaver


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Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

The beauty of the change numbers is that a change number style appears for each change, whether an addition or a deletion.
When someone else sends a comparison document, based on my experience (and I would love to hear that someone else has a better solution), you either have (i) to scroll through with attributes and colors turned on (deletions are, by default, in red and in strikeout font and additions are, by default, double-underlined and in blue) or (ii) to search alternately for added and deleted text. That you can do by searching for styles (deletion style and addition style), by attributes (strikeout and double underlining), or by colors (red for deletions and blue for additions). Of course, someone could have set up things differently from the default so the colors and attributes may not always work. The styles, however, will always work.
Now, searching through a document for deletions and then coming back to look for additions can be a pain. Often a deletion and an addition will be in the same place, but not always.
Here is one more trick. Make a copy of the document. Call one, for the sake of explanation, "Deletion comparison." Then, load both into Word. In one window, search for deletions, and in the other window, search for additions (Too bad one cannot search with an "or" in MS Word).
With control plus F-6, you can jump back and forth, jumping from deletion to deletion in one document and from addition to addition in the other. If you have something like a contract with paragraph numbers, this isn't too bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 3:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi all, what was said about numbering seems really helpful, if I'm
making my own docs.
What if I get a red lined version of a doc in e.g. from someone else,
maybe not within our organization?

How best can I pick up the changes on that.
Thanks

On 5/10/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@...> wrote:
Hi this is useful!
I want to use worksite compare both because its what our firm uses and
because Other people will send in red lined docs, which I will have to
review.
I will make a couple to play around with myself first.
Regarding headers and footers, your menu choice was correct. I knew
about that one. However, I want to get them read to me page by page.

Essentially, what I'm looking for are the settings that will give me a
reading experience as close to a sighted person looking at a document
as possible. However close that is.

So, if the indents are wrong, I'd like to know that, if the
headers/footers are sneakily changed by the other side, I'd definitely
like to know that, if the fonts or numbering is changing, I really
need that too.
Colour will be on in reading from now on.

Suggestions re settings would be great.

Ger

On 5/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> wrote:
WE used to use that here at work, and I used 2000 for years. I think I
remember seeing that option, but never used it. For that matter, I know
I remember "normal," and it's not there anymore either. Perhaps "draft"
is the new normal.

Ted

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:43 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents
AKARedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

I was responding to someone, I thought, who was using Word 2003. As a
test, I just fired up Word 2003.
Alt plus V followed by down arrow brings up lots of view choices,
including headers/footers. To make things faster, Alt plus V followed
by H will jump right into the headers/footers. Then, arrow through
them, making whatever edits. Remember, edits on the first page footer
will carry forward by default (though you can modify this).
So, I was talking about a Word command and, at that, a Word 2003
command.
Again, just to examine the footer, or have JAWS read it, press Insert
plus F-1. The header/footer information is read right before the
margins.
This insert plus F-1 is a very useful key and should be tried before
diving into any Word document. It will identify, in addition to the
items referenced above, sections, tables, graphics, and so on.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS
DMS)
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:29 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

What's this Alt-V business? My View tab has no header-footer option.
As for JAWS, Alt-V brings up the main JAWS menu.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:14 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
RedLining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Workshare is extremely popular as a document comparison tool. In the
early days of MS Word, it was arguably more reliable than the built-in
Word Legal Blackline feature.
I don't think that is the case any more. I actually prefer Word's
built-in Legal Blackline. When it compares two documents the comparison
document is essentially a track change document, and you can use all the
JAWS features for track changes with it. So that is convenient.
For Workshare, the client server version used to have a "next revision"
and a "previous revision" feature.
We now use a Web version, and it doesn't have that feature anymore.
So, I always import the comparison document into Word.
Workshare uses styles. So, there is a deletion style, an addition
style, and so on.
Although it depends on the document, sometimes it is easier to review
the revisions with JAWS style reading turned on.
When JAWS encounters these styles, they are announced so that you know
exactly where the deletion or addition begins and ends. Turning on
"colors" also helps.
Within Workshare itself, in addition to using change numbers, you can
also add delimiters.
Here is what I mean. You can force deleted text, for example, to appear
within braces {} and added text within lesser than and greater than
symbols <>.
Sometimes that helps, but if the document has been heavily modified, all
those symbols can create clutter.
I cannot remember what they are called, but the configuration files can
be named and saved. Then, you can use the one that best fits the
situation The best trick, however, is to use the change numbers and
then, in Word, search for the change number style.
JAWS can be set to read headers and footers. The best way, and if you
want to edit them, is to go to View (Alt plus v) and follow that with
"h" for headers/footers.
To get out of headers/footers, just go back to NORMAL View with alt plus
V and down arrow to "Normal" and hit enter.
Also, if you just want a quick read of what is in the header and footer,
press insert plus F-1 inside the Word document. JAWS will read a bunch
of document attributes, including headers and footers.
Hope this is moderately useful.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi Ed and Jeane, these are really helpful tips!

Ed, any other tips for using work share?
At the moment, I'm quite new to the environment, so I have a few
questions about one thing and another.

Opening files from the search feature or the recent documents feature
within outlook is a problem. They open eventually but it takes quite a
bit of time.
I don't think anyone else is having this problem but they use cytrix
terminals.

I wondered if this could be a jaws issue?

Thanks very much
W
I had thought of the find and replace point.

Ed, .
Another thing I am wondering is whether Jaws can be set to read headers
and foot

On 5/10/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...> wrote:
Jean's tip will work.
Also, check to see if your comparison software will insert "change
numbers."
Here is why. You can search for deleted text using one font, but then
you have to go back for added text.
If you can insert change numbers, you can usually search for the
change number style. That way, you will land on every change,
deletions and additions.
Do the search as Jean suggested. Be sure to select more options.
Then, select format and style.
Then, pick the change number style.
It may be helpful first to check what your program calls the change
number style.
Turn on styles in the verbosity menu with insert plus v.
We use Workshare DeltaView, and the above technique is what I use.
Ps
Having the change numbers makes it easy to point out specific changes
if, for example, you are trying to describe or criticize a particular
change.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re Using Document Compare Software on MS Word Documents AKA
Red Lining Documents how to use jaws effectively?

Hi all,
We use a programme to compare documents called Worksite compare, also
I compare.
I want to know how best to use jaws to access the product of these
programmes?

Also, is there a quick way of searching for text with a given font
attribute e.g. colour, bolded, etc.?


On 5/9/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@...> wrote:
Ed, that's really helpful, thanks! yes 2003 Roy. that's a great help
gerT

On 5/9/12, Roy Nickelson <roylee@...> wrote:
to select a cell tab to it the cell will be selected.
Roy

----- Original Message -----
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: selecting in tables in microsoft word


Hi all I urgently need a way to select the entire contents of a cell
or row in a table in ms word, using jaws.
At the moment the best I can do is a word at a time.
Shift + down arrow does not select a row in a table unfortunately.
thanks very much

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Re: Jaws is crashing on my new Toshiba system with a 2.2ghz 64bitprocessor

Raymond Lombardi <ray214@...>
 

I am running a 64 bit version of windows 7 and I have no problems with it.


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Beaver" <dbeaver888@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:08 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Jaws is crashing on my new Toshiba system with a 2.2ghz 64bitprocessor

Hi,

I am using Windows 7 Home and just updated my Jaws. they sent me the disk
and that is what I installed. When I check for updates it says 13.0.852 is
available. I am trying to get it downloaded and am hoping that will fix
this error. Is there a known problem with Jaws 13 on 64 bit systems?

I am also trying to get where I can capture the error and the offending
file. It is something that starts with MSVCR but I haven't been able to
catch the exact name of the file yet.

Any help would be appreciated although I am already aware that more info is
probably needed.

thanks.

Dan Beaver


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Re: Jaws is crashing on my new Toshiba system with a 2.2ghz 64bit processor

Ann Byrne
 

Have you used JAWS successfully on the Toshiba?

A thousand years ago--at least five--when I bought a lovely new toshiba it crashed when I tried to use JAWS. the problem was that there were two video cards, and poor JAWS didn't know what to do. Disabling one of the cards fixed the problem.

I'm guessing that isn't what happened with yours, but just in case.

At 04:27 PM 5/13/2012, you wrote:
I run that version on win7 pro 64 bit and haven't experienced any
unusual level of problems. I would however suggest that you use the
download link off the freedomscientific.com website rather than the
auto-updater. I have had very mixed results trying to use the update
program that I've never had when using the full installer.

On 5/13/12, Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> wrote:
Hi,

I am using Windows 7 Home and just updated my Jaws. they sent me the disk
and that is what I installed. When I check for updates it says 13.0.852 is

available. I am trying to get it downloaded and am hoping that will fix
this error. Is there a known problem with Jaws 13 on 64 bit systems?

I am also trying to get where I can capture the error and the offending
file. It is something that starts with MSVCR but I haven't been able to
catch the exact name of the file yet.

Any help would be appreciated although I am already aware that more info is

probably needed.

thanks.

Dan Beaver


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Re: Jaws is crashing on my new Toshiba system with a 2.2ghz 64bit processor

Ann Byrne
 

Is this a new Toshiba?

At 04:08 PM 5/13/2012, you wrote:
Hi,

I am using Windows 7 Home and just updated my Jaws. they sent me the disk
and that is what I installed. When I check for updates it says 13.0.852 is
available. I am trying to get it downloaded and am hoping that will fix
this error. Is there a known problem with Jaws 13 on 64 bit systems?

I am also trying to get where I can capture the error and the offending
file. It is something that starts with MSVCR but I haven't been able to
catch the exact name of the file yet.

Any help would be appreciated although I am already aware that more info is
probably needed.

thanks.

Dan Beaver


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