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moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

K0LNY
 

Hi Gene,
I think Apple is trying to keep it safe from hacking, and that is why it is
so locked down.
I do like the way Android is easy to access, and root and all that.
However using both, I think the Android gestures are harder to use than the
IOS platform.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

What I don't understand is, why can't Apple be like Android and design
their phone to look like an external drive so you don't need any custom
software to put content on it or to retrieve your data off it.

As for me, I have been hearing that as long as I don't need or want to
use Braille on my phone, Android is now just as accessible as iOS, so I
am now looking at Android phones and will be dumping Apple. Before I
lost my vision, I preferred Android anyway, I only switched to iOS
because at the time I lost my vision iOS was far more accessible than
Android.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

K0LNY
 

I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Glenn!

What I don't understand is, why can't Apple be like Android and design their phone to look like an external drive so you don't need any custom software to put content on it or to retrieve your data off it.

As for me, I have been hearing that as long as I don't need or want to use Braille on my phone, Android is now just as accessible as iOS, so I am now looking at Android phones and will be dumping Apple. Before I lost my vision, I preferred Android anyway, I only switched to iOS because at the time I lost my vision iOS was far more accessible than Android.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.
On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the iPhone microphone or external.
On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos  on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

K0LNY
 

All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

























--
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H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...


moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Curtis Delzer
 

I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...
























--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...


moderated Re: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

Don H
 

I have a Epson Perfection V39 scanner that is powered through the USB connection. Does a great job for all scanning needs. Don't know if this model is still available but sure one similar.


moderated Re: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

K0LNY
 

Hi Gene,
I don't know if one made for documents would give you better results, as it
is more a factor of the resolution, which you can change in the scanner's
software.
I've had good luck with my color scanners, one is a cannon scanner and the
other is a all-in one printer scanner.
The all in one I have now wirelessly connects to my router and is in the
network, but is a pain if I have a lot to scan, going back and forth from
one room to another.
The one I had before wasn't meant for a network, but I connected it to my
router and found it in the network and made it work.
I'm not even sure if they make any any more that don't do color.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: "JAWS support list" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 11:37 AM
Subject: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book


Hi everyone!

I currently have a color photo scanner, I believe that I could get
better OCR results if I switched to a scanner designed primarily for
scanning documents. Can anyone recommend one? I wouldn't mind a document
feeder, but it doesn't need to be one that can hold a ton of pages, if
it can hold and feed 10 pages, that would be plenty for my needs.

Thanks!
Gene...


moderated Re: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

Gene Warner
 

Hi Feliciano!

Thanks for the recommendation! I should have also said that I am looking for just a scanner, not one of these all-in-one devices because I have a printer that I am happy with.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 12:39 PM, Feliciano G wrote:
I always recommend Epson printer/scanners because of their ease of use and accessible utility with scanning and creating PDFs.
Feliciano
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On Jul 7, 2022, at 9:37 AM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

Hi everyone!

I currently have a color photo scanner, I believe that I could get better OCR results if I switched to a scanner designed primarily for scanning documents. Can anyone recommend one? I wouldn't mind a document feeder, but it doesn't need to be one that can hold a ton of pages, if it can hold and feed 10 pages, that would be plenty for my needs.

Thanks!
Gene...





moderated Re: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

Feliciano G
 

I always recommend Epson printer/scanners because of their ease of use and accessible utility with scanning and creating PDFs.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
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Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
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On Jul 7, 2022, at 9:37 AM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

Hi everyone!

I currently have a color photo scanner, I believe that I could get better OCR results if I switched to a scanner designed primarily for scanning documents. Can anyone recommend one? I wouldn't mind a document feeder, but it doesn't need to be one that can hold a ton of pages, if it can hold and feed 10 pages, that would be plenty for my needs.

Thanks!
Gene...





moderated Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

Gene Warner
 

Hi everyone!

I currently have a color photo scanner, I believe that I could get better OCR results if I switched to a scanner designed primarily for scanning documents. Can anyone recommend one? I wouldn't mind a document feeder, but it doesn't need to be one that can hold a ton of pages, if it can hold and feed 10 pages, that would be plenty for my needs.

Thanks!
Gene...


moderated Re: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

Steve Nutt
 

To be honest though Bill, both Narrator and NVDA are better at many web apps than JAWS is.

 

It needs a bit of a refresh there.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 22 June 2022 03:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

 

Hi, Curtis. There are plenty of apps and websites that don't play friendly with Narrator. When a program is created, there will always be trade off's, advantages and disadvantages to using that program versus other programs. Just because Narrator works well in this situation, that doesn't mean that Narrator is best at working with a multitude of programs and websites. FreedomScientific has to balance performance among so many programs and websites that occasionally, there will be situations in which a different strategy will need to be used to correct an accessibility problem with a program or website when using JAWS.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 7:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

 

Howdy:

 

That strategy actually works. However, I deplore the need to have to use it<smile>. One wonders if Narrator can behave better with this kind of site, why not JAWS<sigh>?

 

Cordially,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cornelius
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 7:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

 

Robin, I think I may have a solution for this, though I am living somewhere else and not a Key user.

With JAWS, do the following:

In the website, focus your arrow key at the sign on button. It doesn’t matter if it says expanded or collapse.

Press JAWS key +Z to turn off virtual cursor, and use the tab or shift tab to get back the focus at the sign on button.

If the button is collapse, press space to expand it.

Then press tab and you should be able to go through those menu, like sign on, forget password, and enrol. Just use space or enter to activate the button of your choice, then press JAWS key +Z again to turn on virtual cursor.

 

HTH

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2022 11:54 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

 

Hi,

I’ve appreciate some input here. It  seems that my bank changed something on the home page to get to the sign-in section. I cannot find the login section at all with JAWS  PC or JAWS cursor. I asked an AIRA agent for a visual description of what was happening. With that, I found that Narrator can find the section, but not JAWS.  I’ll describe the layout from the AIRA agent’s perspective, then   I’d appreciate knowing two things from some of you: I primarily use MS Edge, but did also try this on Chrome, with the same result.

 

Using JAWS, go to www.key.com.  Press B until you hear Sign-on button. If you click this, it says that the button is now expanded.  JAWS cannot find anything, reading instead a photo description of a woman and a mural. I even tried redrawing the screen and routing my JAWS cursor to the PC cursor.  What AIRA and Narrator show is that a little section appears below this expanded sign-on button where it mentions Online Banking, has buttons to Enroll and Sign-On and links for forgot your password.  Narrator reads these and I can click the sign-on button to open the actual log-in area. 

 

  1. Are you able to find the expanded section with JAWS?
  2. We talk about always having two screen readers for cases like this, but do you think it’s reasonable that I’m still pushing back to the bank tech team to say this doesn’t work with JAWS?  I sent in feedback over the weekend, before I had even tested it with Narrator, so I cannot say that the site is completely inaccessible,  but I’m disappointed that JAWS isn’t reading that section once expanded. 

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2022, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 



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moderated Re: Saving Jaws?

Gene Warner
 

That depends on what you want to do with it. If you just want to back it up, then yes. But if you want to run it as portable software, then no.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 9:18 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
No.
All the best
Steve
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Claudia
*Sent:* 17 June 2022 16:43
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Saving Jaws?
Hello,
C
An Jaws be saved on a USB drive?
Thanks.
Claudia


moderated Re: Saving Jaws?

Steve Nutt
 

No.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: 17 June 2022 16:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Saving Jaws?

 

Hello,

C

An Jaws be saved on a USB drive?

Thanks.

 

Claudia

 


moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Steve Nutt
 

Also worth updating to JAWS 2022, rather than reporting bugs in old versions.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: 12 June 2022 03:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hello.
Have not had any trouble with either one of those. Sounds like a machine-specific problem that might be solvable with a reinstall of jaws or something.

CH

On 6/
1/2022 20:40, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
One thing I've noticed with Jaws 2022 lately is that at least on my
machine, it seems to become completely unresponsive while using the
task manager and device manager, whereas NVDA works perfectly fine. I
don't know if this is just a Windows 11 issue or if it's something
unique to my machine or if it's an issue with Jaws. Either way I
prefer to use NVDA while using both the task manager and device
manager.

On 6/11/22, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:
I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard
functions to

be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout,
that made

it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA
much easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version
of Jaws on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws
and that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now
using Jaws

2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the
blind

tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions
like this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture
smart, voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use
NVDA occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want
to emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the
other, I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side.
What do you think it does better? Where do you think it's
weakness's are? I've been a long time NVDA user and occasionally
dabbled in Jaws here and there over the past year or so. Something
I commonly see is that Jaws still seems to have better braille
support. I also don't know how many organisations would be super
happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a work computer, so there's
that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a fair amount of experience
in both readers. Using Jaws recently also told me that the overall
look and feel hasn't really changed either, so there was next to no
learning curve when it came to reacquainting myself. I know NV
access have been working on this, but to my understanding Jaws also
seems to have better UIA support, something that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you, James
























moderated Re: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A Few Questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

There is also Doug Lee's scripts for JAWS, at http://www.dlee.org

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: 12 June 2022 00:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A Few Questions

From reading the post, Lanie was indeed aware that Jaws uses "scripts". The question was more in regards to the best places to obtain said scripts. NVDA has a couple of repositories for it's addons, they (and now I,) were wondering if there are such places for Jaws these days. The only ones I know of are the scripts done by Brian Hartgen, as well as the Reaper scripts. :)

On 6/12/22, ratshtron <northstarr1950@...> wrote:
Hmmmm, if you use jaws you use scripts, lol!

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________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Karen
Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:34:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS
with A Few Questions

Hi Lanie,
I don't use scripts, so I can't help you there. I do use a braille display.
It is the Focus 40 5th generation. Since I've been a long time user of
Jaws, early to mid 90's, I chose this display over others because I
wanted the two to work well together. Since Then I understand there
are several from other companies that work well with Jaws too.

There is another group. The group I found has a braille display focus only.
Getting them to work with screen readers; including NVDA, Narrator,
IOS, Jaws, etc.; is often discussed on that list. Also deciding which
one might work best with your preferred screen reader. Here is the
link to learn more.

https://groups.io/g/braille-display-users

I hope this helps, and I've not stepped on the toes of the moderator.
Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lanie
Molinar
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 11:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with
A Few Questions

Hi all. I've been playing with JAWS 2022 for a little while now. I'm a
long-time user of NVDA and like it, but I'm interested in some of the
features JAWS provides that NVDA doesn't, and I'd like to start using
Braille more since I love Braille and am autistic and sometimes have
periods of sensory overload with all my screen readers going off
around me and other noises in my environment. I know JAWS provides
better Braille support, and I'm hoping to get a Braille display soon.
I have a few questions though. Are there any resources for finding
scripts? I'm used to looking for add-ons in one location, like the
NVDA add-ons website. Also, is there a way to make JAWS speak
passwords? With NVDA, I have an add-on that does this. Does anyone
know of any training resources for people who already know how to use
a computer, advanced computer users, or people who have used other
screen readers? I looked at the basic training materials, but they
seemed a little basic for my needs. Finally, is there anyone who has made this switch and might be able to give me some tips on switching? Thanks.

















moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Steve Nutt
 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 11 June 2022 23:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard functions to be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout, that made it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and
that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using
Jaws
2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the
blind tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how
many organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA
on a work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I
have a fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently
also told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed
either, so there was next to no learning curve when it came to
reacquainting myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but
to my understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support,
something that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James















moderated Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

Marty Hutchings
 

Does this happen with Firefox?

Thanks,
Lion Marty Hutchings
BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison
(262) 605-8981
mhutchings152730@...
www.wisconsinbold.com
On 7/6/2022 12:40 PM, Afik Souffir wrote:

You are totally right!!!!

We need to do something about it as a community.

Maybe to write to Freedom Scientific, or Google or Microsoft.

 

I’ve talked with Microsoft disability answer desk now, they said: its maybe problem with  my system… windows.

 

Strange people.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene Warner
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 8:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

 

Not to mention that it is very annoying and frustrating regardless of
whether you are working or playing.

Gene...


On 7/6/2022 11:54 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes!!!! It's really need to fix quickly, it's effecting my daily work.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 6:31 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge
>
> Afik
>
> I've noticed the same thing; my guess, off the top of my head, is that something has chhanged with the 2-chromium based browsers.
>
> The question is what; and the work around or fix.
>
> Will be interested in the feedback of others on this.
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022, Afik Souffir wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In my work laptop, Lenovo Thinkpad i5 with windows 10, and JAWS 2022.22.06.9 JAWS is loosing focus in our CRM internal systems constantly, but not limited to them.
>> For example, I'm doing something on SalesForce and then I'm finding myself at the bottom of the webpage, while I was in the center...
>> My touchpad is turned of.
>> This happened to me in any page.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Afik
>>
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moderated Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Go to http://www.reaperaccessibility .com.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 08 June 2022 19:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

I think it’s about $50 in uS funds, give or take $10 or so. Check out their website. I downloaded the software but still haven’t bought it as I struggled to get it configured properly and so never was able to take advantage of the trial period.

However plenty of people use it and swear by it and it seems like a good piece of software.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: June 8, 2022 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

Hi,

How much is the reaper software?

 

On Jun 8, 2022, at 5:22 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:



Hi Jim,

 

I recommend Reaper, it is even better.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Portillo
Sent: 26 May 2022 22:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

Thank you Curtis,

This just came up for me, so I’m trying to get going on it as much as possible.

Thanks.

Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

they have a list at

audacity4blind@...,

so if you can find the subscribe info that is a good place to talk about it.

There are JFW configuration files and all kinds of tutorials on the software.

On 5/26/2022 2:01 PM, Jim Portillo wrote:

Greetings,

 

I apologize if this is off topic for this list, but I’m not sure where or who to ask. I would like to be in touch with anyone who currently uses the latest version of the Audacity software with JAWS. If things go as I am hoping, I may be using it for some recording. I need to know how accessible and operatable it is on a laptop computer with JAWS. I am looking for perhaps some tutorials or even classes online. If it is accessible with JAWS, I’d like to learn as much as I can about it.

I’m happy to go off list with people who use it or can lead me in the right direction. At this point, it needs to be that specific program, because I would be working or making recordings with others who are using it.

Jim

 

 

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
 Rialto, CA
curtis@...


moderated Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

Steve Nutt
 

60 Bucks.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 08 June 2022 17:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

Hi,

How much is the reaper software?



On Jun 8, 2022, at 5:22 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:



Hi Jim,

 

I recommend Reaper, it is even better.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Portillo
Sent: 26 May 2022 22:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

Thank you Curtis,

This just came up for me, so I’m trying to get going on it as much as possible.

Thanks.

Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

they have a list at

audacity4blind@...,

so if you can find the subscribe info that is a good place to talk about it.

There are JFW configuration files and all kinds of tutorials on the software.

On 5/26/2022 2:01 PM, Jim Portillo wrote:

Greetings,

 

I apologize if this is off topic for this list, but I’m not sure where or who to ask. I would like to be in touch with anyone who currently uses the latest version of the Audacity software with JAWS. If things go as I am hoping, I may be using it for some recording. I need to know how accessible and operatable it is on a laptop computer with JAWS. I am looking for perhaps some tutorials or even classes online. If it is accessible with JAWS, I’d like to learn as much as I can about it.

I’m happy to go off list with people who use it or can lead me in the right direction. At this point, it needs to be that specific program, because I would be working or making recordings with others who are using it.

Jim

 

 

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
 Rialto, CA
curtis@...

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