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moderated Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022

Gene Warner
 

Here's a thought, and this is only a theory. Maybe after a certain amount of time has elapsed, say six months for example, JAWS figures that you don't want to update or upgrade and stops notifying you. Or it could be that after you have declined the update/upgrade a certain number of times, again it stops notifying you.

Just an idea...
Gene...

On 6/30/2022 7:09 PM, Hank W wrote:
Hello back,
>
I did do this as you suggest below, I also already tried this unloading jaws after my computer has fully started up and then relaunching the October or November 2021 release of jaws 2022, but still I did not get that automatic pop up window like I always was up until about 3 days ago, asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws after my jaws had started up again.
What gives?, Anyone please maybe have any ideas as to why this is happening?
Kindest regards,
Hank
-----Original Message----- From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 12:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022
Greetings:
Have you tried to stop JAWS after your startup has finished and then restarting again? I'd be curious to know if you then get the update window. There is some possibility that at startup, JAWS is trying to get to the information but cannot because the Internet connection is not yet fully active.
Just a thought.
Best regards,
Curtis Chong
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank W
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022
Hello back,
Thanks for all the helpful replies. But as I was mentioning earlier, even
though I am still using the October or November 2021 release of jaws 2022, I
am no longer getting that automatic pop up window when my jaws first starts
up asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a newer release of
jaws 2022?
I was until about 3 or 4 days ago getting this automatic pop up window
asking me if I yes or no wanted to update my jaws every time when my jaws
first started up, but now I am not. This has got me stumped because as I was
saying, I am still using the last October or November 2021 release of jaws
2022. I have already checked in jaws under basics, and the automatic
notification of jaws updates is yes checked.
I am really hoping that maybe someone has an idea on how I can get back this
automatic pop up window asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a
newer release of jaws 2022 when my jaws first starts up? Would be very, very
appreciative for any help on this matter. Much, much thanks in advance for
any possible help on this.
With kindest regards,
Hank
-----Original Message----- From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 12:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up
Hello:
" Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so
that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a
major version upgrade and not just a point version update?"
If you hold the JAWS Home Annual License, what you say is accurate. But if
you are on the traditional licensing scheme, you will not automatically be
notified when a major update comes out—usually around the end of October.
Cordially,
Curtis Chong
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up
Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so
that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a
major version upgrade and not just a point version update?
Gene...
On 6/28/2022 10:04 PM, Loy wrote:
You don't get this notice to update to the next version, only updates to
the current version you are running.

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Hank W <mailto:hank_w@...>
    *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
    *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2022 10:40 AM
    *Subject:* Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when
    my jaws first starts up

    Hello,
    Now when my jaws first starts up I no longer get that notification
    update pop up window in which I can select yes or no to update jaws
    or not. And no I have not yet updated my October or November 2021
    release of jaws 2022 to the latest release of 2022.
    I have checked under options in jhaws and the automatic notification
    of updates is checked.
    This really has me stumped.  Anyone maybe please have any ideas on
    how I can get back this pop up window when I first start my October
    or November 2021 release of jaws 2022? Much, much thanks in advance
    for any help I can maybe get with this.
    With kindest regards,
    Hank


moderated Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022

Loy
 

You must select yes or JAWS can't tell you if you have an update. Then if you have an update you can choose to install it or not.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hank W" <hank_w@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022




Hello back,

in the jaws help menu when I activate the check for jaws updates, I only get
the question from the freedom scientific app asking me if I want to let this
app make changes to my computer and I can only select yes or no. Since I am
not sure at this time what this freedom scientific app will exactly do to my
laptop if I select yes, I for now instead select no.

In the jaws help menu, when you activate this app check for updates, I
thought a jaws user gets a list of all the current updates of jaws that are
available, giving the jaws user the option to select from this list the
particular jaws update they want to download?







Kindest regards,

Hank


-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 12:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws
2022

Hank:

Also, if you get into JAWS Help, what happens if you activate the Check for
Updates choice in the Help menu?

Best regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank W
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws
2022



Hello back,

Thanks for all the helpful replies. But as I was mentioning earlier, even
though I am still using the October or November 2021 release of jaws 2022, I
am no longer getting that automatic pop up window when my jaws first starts
up asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a newer release of
jaws 2022?

I was until about 3 or 4 days ago getting this automatic pop up window
asking me if I yes or no wanted to update my jaws every time when my jaws
first started up, but now I am not. This has got me stumped because as I was
saying, I am still using the last October or November 2021 release of jaws
2022. I have already checked in jaws under basics, and the automatic
notification of jaws updates is yes checked.

I am really hoping that maybe someone has an idea on how I can get back this
automatic pop up window asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a
newer release of jaws 2022 when my jaws first starts up? Would be very, very
appreciative for any help on this matter. Much, much thanks in advance for
any possible help on this.







With kindest regards,

Hank


-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 12:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up

Hello:

" Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so
that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a
major version upgrade and not just a point version update?"

If you hold the JAWS Home Annual License, what you say is accurate. But if
you are on the traditional licensing scheme, you will not automatically be
notified when a major update comes out—usually around the end of October.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up

Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so
that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a
major version upgrade and not just a point version update?

Gene...


On 6/28/2022 10:04 PM, Loy wrote:
You don't get this notice to update to the next version, only updates to
the current version you are running.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Hank W <mailto:hank_w@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when
my jaws first starts up

Hello,
Now when my jaws first starts up I no longer get that notification
update pop up window in which I can select yes or no to update jaws
or not. And no I have not yet updated my October or November 2021
release of jaws 2022 to the latest release of 2022.
I have checked under options in jhaws and the automatic notification
of updates is checked.
This really has me stumped. Anyone maybe please have any ideas on
how I can get back this pop up window when I first start my October
or November 2021 release of jaws 2022? Much, much thanks in advance
for any help I can maybe get with this.
With kindest regards,
Hank


moderated Re: Is "Eloq.sbl" Still Applicable?

Hareth
 

Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I don't use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would do it.
TC

On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like JAWS 2021? The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some characters that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like smileys and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew, and Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct", and
"Eloquence.vpf"?






moderated Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022

Hank W
 

Hello back,

in the jaws help menu when I activate the check for jaws updates, I only get the question from the freedom scientific app asking me if I want to let this app make changes to my computer and I can only select yes or no. Since I am not sure at this time what this freedom scientific app will exactly do to my laptop if I select yes, I for now instead select no.

In the jaws help menu, when you activate this app check for updates, I thought a jaws user gets a list of all the current updates of jaws that are available, giving the jaws user the option to select from this list the particular jaws update they want to download?







Kindest regards,

Hank

-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 12:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022

Hank:

Also, if you get into JAWS Help, what happens if you activate the Check for Updates choice in the Help menu?

Best regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank W
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022



Hello back,

Thanks for all the helpful replies. But as I was mentioning earlier, even
though I am still using the October or November 2021 release of jaws 2022, I
am no longer getting that automatic pop up window when my jaws first starts
up asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a newer release of
jaws 2022?

I was until about 3 or 4 days ago getting this automatic pop up window
asking me if I yes or no wanted to update my jaws every time when my jaws
first started up, but now I am not. This has got me stumped because as I was
saying, I am still using the last October or November 2021 release of jaws
2022. I have already checked in jaws under basics, and the automatic
notification of jaws updates is yes checked.

I am really hoping that maybe someone has an idea on how I can get back this
automatic pop up window asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a
newer release of jaws 2022 when my jaws first starts up? Would be very, very
appreciative for any help on this matter. Much, much thanks in advance for
any possible help on this.







With kindest regards,

Hank


-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 12:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up

Hello:

" Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so
that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a
major version upgrade and not just a point version update?"

If you hold the JAWS Home Annual License, what you say is accurate. But if
you are on the traditional licensing scheme, you will not automatically be
notified when a major update comes out—usually around the end of October.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up

Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so
that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a
major version upgrade and not just a point version update?

Gene...


On 6/28/2022 10:04 PM, Loy wrote:
You don't get this notice to update to the next version, only updates to
the current version you are running.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Hank W <mailto:hank_w@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when
my jaws first starts up

Hello,
Now when my jaws first starts up I no longer get that notification
update pop up window in which I can select yes or no to update jaws
or not. And no I have not yet updated my October or November 2021
release of jaws 2022 to the latest release of 2022.
I have checked under options in jhaws and the automatic notification
of updates is checked.
This really has me stumped. Anyone maybe please have any ideas on
how I can get back this pop up window when I first start my October
or November 2021 release of jaws 2022? Much, much thanks in advance
for any help I can maybe get with this.
With kindest regards,
Hank


moderated Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022

Hank W
 

Hello back,

I did do this as you suggest below, I also already tried this unloading jaws after my computer has fully started up and then relaunching the October or November 2021 release of jaws 2022, but still I did not get that automatic pop up window like I always was up until about 3 days ago, asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws after my jaws had started up again.

What gives?, Anyone please maybe have any ideas as to why this is happening?







Kindest regards,

Hank

-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 12:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022

Greetings:

Have you tried to stop JAWS after your startup has finished and then restarting again? I'd be curious to know if you then get the update window. There is some possibility that at startup, JAWS is trying to get to the information but cannot because the Internet connection is not yet fully active.

Just a thought.

Best regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank W
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022



Hello back,

Thanks for all the helpful replies. But as I was mentioning earlier, even
though I am still using the October or November 2021 release of jaws 2022, I
am no longer getting that automatic pop up window when my jaws first starts
up asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a newer release of
jaws 2022?

I was until about 3 or 4 days ago getting this automatic pop up window
asking me if I yes or no wanted to update my jaws every time when my jaws
first started up, but now I am not. This has got me stumped because as I was
saying, I am still using the last October or November 2021 release of jaws
2022. I have already checked in jaws under basics, and the automatic
notification of jaws updates is yes checked.

I am really hoping that maybe someone has an idea on how I can get back this
automatic pop up window asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a
newer release of jaws 2022 when my jaws first starts up? Would be very, very
appreciative for any help on this matter. Much, much thanks in advance for
any possible help on this.







With kindest regards,

Hank


-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 12:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up

Hello:

" Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so
that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a
major version upgrade and not just a point version update?"

If you hold the JAWS Home Annual License, what you say is accurate. But if
you are on the traditional licensing scheme, you will not automatically be
notified when a major update comes out—usually around the end of October.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws
first starts up

Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so
that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a
major version upgrade and not just a point version update?

Gene...


On 6/28/2022 10:04 PM, Loy wrote:
You don't get this notice to update to the next version, only updates to
the current version you are running.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Hank W <mailto:hank_w@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when
my jaws first starts up

Hello,
Now when my jaws first starts up I no longer get that notification
update pop up window in which I can select yes or no to update jaws
or not. And no I have not yet updated my October or November 2021
release of jaws 2022 to the latest release of 2022.
I have checked under options in jhaws and the automatic notification
of updates is checked.
This really has me stumped. Anyone maybe please have any ideas on
how I can get back this pop up window when I first start my October
or November 2021 release of jaws 2022? Much, much thanks in advance
for any help I can maybe get with this.
With kindest regards,
Hank


moderated Re: JAWS speaking lines from previous screens

Afik Souffir
 

Hi,
Yeah, same here

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Gene Warner <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 9:59:40 PM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS speaking lines from previous screens
 
Hi everyone!

I'm curious if anyone has noticed this apparent bug that for me has been
there for quite a while. I copied this from an email I just sent to
Freedom Scientific.

While visiting the Walmart web site at
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walmart.com%2F&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C7522f5436d1d47841b6408da5acab253%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637922123864891032%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=gbC5gpzCRgFpTavTSZeN2LP%2BAJaTZmCJPePHi9z%2B%2BVE%3D&amp;reserved=0
  whenever I'd use the form field list (insert+F5) or the links list
(insert+F7) JAWS reads lines from the about JAWS dialog I viewed earlier
before it
reads from the list I called up. See the speech history below, it is
from just after pressing insert+F5.

--- speech history ---
JAWS Version 2022.2206.9 ILM
Walmart.com | Save Money. Live Better - Profile 1 - Microsoft Edge
Select a Form Field  dialog
---  end ---

To be honest JAWS frequently reads lines from screens that were closed a
while ago. It's like JAWS does not completely clear the speech buffer
after it has said something thus leaving some garbage behind to be
unnecessarily read again and again.

Here's another example, this one was from visiting amazon.com and
calling up the JAWS find dialog.

---speech history ---
JAWS Version 2022.2206.9 ILM
JAWS Find  dialog
Find what:  edit combo
--- end ---

You can see that same line from the about JAWS dialog being read yet
again. And again this dialog was closed hours ago.

Gene...







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moderated Re: JAWS speaking lines from previous screens

Gene Warner
 

I got a response from Freedom Scientific and all they said was that they couldn't reproduce what I was seeing so as far as they're concerned, the problem is with my system and not with JAWS. Honestly I get that response from them all the time. It's gotten to the point that I sometimes wonder why I even bother contacting their tech support. To me it seems like if it isn't something they want to deal with, they just blame it on the users system and close the case.

Gene...

On 6/30/2022 7:26 PM, Marty Hutchings wrote:
I also have noticed similar behavior when reading email.  JAWS sometimes will read something from a previous website that I had visited between reading the subject and message body of the email that I am reading.
Thanks,
Lion Marty Hutchings
BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison
(262) 605-8981
mhutchings152730@...
www.wisconsinbold.com
On 6/30/2022 1:59 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Hi everyone!

I'm curious if anyone has noticed this apparent bug that for me has been there for quite a while. I copied this from an email I just sent to Freedom Scientific.

While visiting the Walmart web site at
www.walmart.com
 whenever I'd use the form field list (insert+F5) or the links list (insert+F7) JAWS reads lines from the about JAWS dialog I viewed earlier before it
reads from the list I called up. See the speech history below, it is from just after pressing insert+F5.

--- speech history ---
JAWS Version 2022.2206.9 ILM
Walmart.com | Save Money. Live Better - Profile 1 - Microsoft Edge
Select a Form Field  dialog
---  end ---

To be honest JAWS frequently reads lines from screens that were closed a while ago. It's like JAWS does not completely clear the speech buffer after it has said something thus leaving some garbage behind to be unnecessarily read again and again.

Here's another example, this one was from visiting amazon.com and calling up the JAWS find dialog.

---speech history ---
JAWS Version 2022.2206.9 ILM
JAWS Find  dialog
Find what:  edit combo
--- end ---

You can see that same line from the about JAWS dialog being read yet again. And again this dialog was closed hours ago.

Gene...






moderated Re: Firefox 102

JM Casey
 

Yeah.
The righ click menu is convenient for that. Thankfully it isn't your only recourse (see my previous message).
Hopefully either JAWS or Firefox will fix this in an update. As it seems fine with nVDA it would seem that the onus is more on the JAWS side of things, though I don't know what could have caused this to happen.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: June 30, 2022 06:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

I wasn't aware of shift+enter, which does take care of my major gripe.
Though I do also use the right-click menu for copy-link and save-download.

On 6/30/22, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Oh, let me see right now. Not sure I've tried the context menu yet.
however, to open in a new tab, I press ctrl-enter, and to open in a
new window, shift-enter.
The only thing I usually use the right click menu for is to copy links
to share them, or to save a file associated with a link, say to
download a podcast episode or something similar.
And testing it now, yes, i see the problem. Damn, that's unfortunate.
Now I just switched to nVDA v21.3, where the context menu seems to be
working as expected. So that's interesting. I guess, wait for a JAWS
or Firefox update -- maybe it can be fixed on either end.
In the meantime, try those keyboard commands I guess (ctrl-enter,
shift-enter, ctrl-s to save, though the last isn't as convenient as
using the context menu on a link since you dont' ahve to go there in
order to save
anything)



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: June 30, 2022 05:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

Do you normally use the right-click menu? That is the only thing I
notice odd with 102, but since my normal interaction is to use the
right-click menu and "open in new window" (rather than tab) I find 102
extremely frustrating.

I can't even use jaws' "route PC to jaws" command and then the
physical right mouse button.


On 6/30/22, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
I'm using Firefox 102.0, 6b bit, as I type this, running a rather old
version of JAWS, and it's working great.
So if something is broken, perhaps it's a recent JAWS update.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis
Chong
Sent: June 29, 2022 11:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

Agreed. Firefox broke something in terms of interacting with JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 6:56 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox 102

Right now, I'd say it is a don't download. The applications key
doesn't seem to work with jaws running, and neither do keys like the
k for play/stop in youtube. Applications key works fine in NVDA, go
figure.

CH


















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moderated Re: JAWS speaking lines from previous screens

Marty Hutchings
 

I also have noticed similar behavior when reading email.  JAWS sometimes will read something from a previous website that I had visited between reading the subject and message body of the email that I am reading.

Thanks,
Lion Marty Hutchings
BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison
(262) 605-8981
mhutchings152730@...
www.wisconsinbold.com

On 6/30/2022 1:59 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Hi everyone!

I'm curious if anyone has noticed this apparent bug that for me has been there for quite a while. I copied this from an email I just sent to Freedom Scientific.

While visiting the Walmart web site at
www.walmart.com
 whenever I'd use the form field list (insert+F5) or the links list (insert+F7) JAWS reads lines from the about JAWS dialog I viewed earlier before it
reads from the list I called up. See the speech history below, it is from just after pressing insert+F5.

--- speech history ---
JAWS Version 2022.2206.9 ILM
Walmart.com | Save Money. Live Better - Profile 1 - Microsoft Edge
Select a Form Field  dialog
---  end ---

To be honest JAWS frequently reads lines from screens that were closed a while ago. It's like JAWS does not completely clear the speech buffer after it has said something thus leaving some garbage behind to be unnecessarily read again and again.

Here's another example, this one was from visiting amazon.com and calling up the JAWS find dialog.

---speech history ---
JAWS Version 2022.2206.9 ILM
JAWS Find  dialog
Find what:  edit combo
--- end ---

You can see that same line from the about JAWS dialog being read yet again. And again this dialog was closed hours ago.

Gene...





moderated Re: Folder help please

Bill White
 

Hi, again, Morey. I gave you the wrong information in my last message. It is Group by, not Sort By that you must click on to get Date as your Group By criteria. Sorry for the misinformation.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Morey Worthington
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 3:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Folder help please

In a certain folder, I have tips for doing this and doing that. Most are
txt files. If I go into this folder and look at a file, it used to tell
me the date it was put there. This happens with all the files in this
certain folder, but this does not occur in any other folders. Any
thoughts as to why no date showing only in this one folder?

Thanks,

Morey

Using Jaws 2022 version of Jaws and W10.

Thanks

--
Morey Worthington


moderated Re: Folder help please

Bill White
 

Hi, Morey. Somehow the folder in question is now being sorted by some other criteria than by date, perhaps details, list, or tiles. You need to go into the Sort By menu, and reselect date as your sorting criteria. This can be accomplished by unselecting all files in the folder, then right click the folder with the folder open, arrow down to Sort By, and choose Date, and press ENTER.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Morey Worthington
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 3:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Folder help please

In a certain folder, I have tips for doing this and doing that. Most are
txt files. If I go into this folder and look at a file, it used to tell
me the date it was put there. This happens with all the files in this
certain folder, but this does not occur in any other folders. Any
thoughts as to why no date showing only in this one folder?

Thanks,

Morey

Using Jaws 2022 version of Jaws and W10.

Thanks

--
Morey Worthington


moderated Re: JAWS speaking lines from previous screens

Dennis Brown
 

I've noticed that when I Alt+Tab into a file explorer screen from another application, it gives me the file's info such as name, date, type, and then partial text from a shortcut on my desktop.

Thanks,
Dennis T. Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 3:00 PM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS speaking lines from previous screens

Hi everyone!

I'm curious if anyone has noticed this apparent bug that for me has been there for quite a while. I copied this from an email I just sent to Freedom Scientific.

While visiting the Walmart web site at
www.walmart.com
whenever I'd use the form field list (insert+F5) or the links list
(insert+F7) JAWS reads lines from the about JAWS dialog I viewed earlier before it reads from the list I called up. See the speech history below, it is from just after pressing insert+F5.

--- speech history ---
JAWS Version 2022.2206.9 ILM
Walmart.com | Save Money. Live Better - Profile 1 - Microsoft Edge Select a Form Field dialog
--- end ---

To be honest JAWS frequently reads lines from screens that were closed a while ago. It's like JAWS does not completely clear the speech buffer after it has said something thus leaving some garbage behind to be unnecessarily read again and again.

Here's another example, this one was from visiting amazon.com and calling up the JAWS find dialog.

---speech history ---
JAWS Version 2022.2206.9 ILM
JAWS Find dialog
Find what: edit combo
--- end ---

You can see that same line from the about JAWS dialog being read yet again. And again this dialog was closed hours ago.

Gene...








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https://www.avg.com


moderated Folder help please

Morey Worthington
 

In a certain folder, I have tips for doing this and doing that. Most are txt files. If I go into this folder and  look at a file, it used to tell me the date it was put there. This happens with all the files in this certain folder, but this does not occur in any other folders. Any thoughts as to why no date showing only in this one folder?

Thanks,

Morey

Using Jaws 2022 version of Jaws and W10.

Thanks

--
Morey Worthington


moderated Re: Firefox 102

Soronel Haetir
 

I wasn't aware of shift+enter, which does take care of my major gripe.
Though I do also use the right-click menu for copy-link and
save-download.

On 6/30/22, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Oh, let me see right now. Not sure I've tried the context menu yet.
however, to open in a new tab, I press ctrl-enter, and to open in a new
window, shift-enter.
The only thing I usually use the right click menu for is to copy links to
share them, or to save a file associated with a link, say to download a
podcast episode or something similar.
And testing it now, yes, i see the problem. Damn, that's unfortunate.
Now I just switched to nVDA v21.3, where the context menu seems to be
working as expected. So that's interesting. I guess, wait for a JAWS or
Firefox update -- maybe it can be fixed on either end.
In the meantime, try those keyboard commands I guess (ctrl-enter,
shift-enter, ctrl-s to save, though the last isn't as convenient as using
the context menu on a link since you dont' ahve to go there in order to save
anything)



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: June 30, 2022 05:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

Do you normally use the right-click menu? That is the only thing I notice
odd with 102, but since my normal interaction is to use the right-click menu
and "open in new window" (rather than tab) I find 102 extremely
frustrating.

I can't even use jaws' "route PC to jaws" command and then the physical
right mouse button.


On 6/30/22, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
I'm using Firefox 102.0, 6b bit, as I type this, running a rather old
version of JAWS, and it's working great.
So if something is broken, perhaps it's a recent JAWS update.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis
Chong
Sent: June 29, 2022 11:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

Agreed. Firefox broke something in terms of interacting with JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 6:56 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox 102

Right now, I'd say it is a don't download. The applications key
doesn't seem to work with jaws running, and neither do keys like the k
for play/stop in youtube. Applications key works fine in NVDA, go
figure.

CH


















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soronel.haetir@...










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soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: Firefox 102

JM Casey
 

Oh, let me see right now. Not sure I've tried the context menu yet.
however, to open in a new tab, I press ctrl-enter, and to open in a new window, shift-enter.
The only thing I usually use the right click menu for is to copy links to share them, or to save a file associated with a link, say to download a podcast episode or something similar.
And testing it now, yes, i see the problem. Damn, that's unfortunate.
Now I just switched to nVDA v21.3, where the context menu seems to be working as expected. So that's interesting. I guess, wait for a JAWS or Firefox update -- maybe it can be fixed on either end.
In the meantime, try those keyboard commands I guess (ctrl-enter, shift-enter, ctrl-s to save, though the last isn't as convenient as using the context menu on a link since you dont' ahve to go there in order to save anything)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: June 30, 2022 05:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

Do you normally use the right-click menu? That is the only thing I notice odd with 102, but since my normal interaction is to use the right-click menu and "open in new window" (rather than tab) I find 102 extremely frustrating.

I can't even use jaws' "route PC to jaws" command and then the physical right mouse button.


On 6/30/22, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
I'm using Firefox 102.0, 6b bit, as I type this, running a rather old
version of JAWS, and it's working great.
So if something is broken, perhaps it's a recent JAWS update.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis
Chong
Sent: June 29, 2022 11:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

Agreed. Firefox broke something in terms of interacting with JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 6:56 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox 102

Right now, I'd say it is a don't download. The applications key
doesn't seem to work with jaws running, and neither do keys like the k
for play/stop in youtube. Applications key works fine in NVDA, go figure.

CH


















--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: Firefox 102

Soronel Haetir
 

Do you normally use the right-click menu? That is the only thing I
notice odd with 102, but since my normal interaction is to use the
right-click menu and "open in new window" (rather than tab) I find 102
extremely frustrating.

I can't even use jaws' "route PC to jaws" command and then the
physical right mouse button.

On 6/30/22, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
I'm using Firefox 102.0, 6b bit, as I type this, running a rather old
version of JAWS, and it's working great.
So if something is broken, perhaps it's a recent JAWS update.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: June 29, 2022 11:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

Agreed. Firefox broke something in terms of interacting with JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 6:56 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox 102

Right now, I'd say it is a don't download. The applications key doesn't
seem to work with jaws running, and neither do keys like the k for play/stop
in youtube. Applications key works fine in NVDA, go figure.

CH

















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soronel.haetir@...


moderated Is "Eloq.sbl" Still Applicable?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like JAWS 2021? The reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some characters that JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like smileys and characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew, and Greek. By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct", and "Eloquence.vpf"?


moderated Re: Firefox 102

K0LNY
 

I use FireFox 91.11.0ESR 32 bit in my windows 64 and it works well for
everything.
I think the start to this thread mentions youtube.
I keep my youtube set to not play videos automatically, and I wait a minute
before using the letter B to find the play button, because that allows time
for an ad to play out before starting the video.
I usually do alt D while I'm waiting and copy the URL, so if I get
interrupted with a commercial, I close the window with control W and paste
the URL into Pontes downloader.
Well, if the URL is already in the clipboard, it will get loaded when I open
Pontes.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Firefox 102


I've used Firefox for years and years, since my Windows XP days.
There were times when it's been a bit slow to load pages, which I think
actually has a lot to do witht eh screen-reader trying to load things into a
virtual buffer.
Can't have a huge number of tabs open at once compared with chromium
browsers.
But Firefox is way, way better for privacy than anything chromium. And as my
friend, a much more knowledgeable coder/developer than i will ever be,
explained to me the otehr day, the way chrome and some of its chromium
derivatives work will soon stop ad-blockers from working. That is
inttolerable for me, so, I expect I'll be leaning more heavily on Firefox
even than I am now, and just using chrome for youtube and other google
products, where it seems, unsurprisingly, to be way m ore efficient.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: June 29, 2022 11:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

I second that motion. I tried Firefox several years ago when Microsoft was
still supporting Internet Explorer and found that JAWS' support for it
wasn't very good compared to how well it supported IE.

I still think that JAWS hasn't supported any other browser as well as it did
IE.

Gene...


On 6/29/2022 11:18 PM, Curtis Chong wrote:
Sorry. Wrong email. Firefox is not the browser to be using these days. You
should switch to Chrome or Edge Chromium. Both of these behave pretty much
the same as Firefox without breaking things for the blind.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Machise
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 7:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

chris it never stops.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@...>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:56 AM
Subject: Firefox 102


Right now, I'd say it is a don't download. The applications key
doesn't seem to work with jaws running, and neither do keys like the k
for play/stop in youtube. Applications key works fine in NVDA, go figure.

CH

















moderated Re: Firefox 102

JM Casey
 

I'm using Firefox 102.0, 6b bit, as I type this, running a rather old version of JAWS, and it's working great.
So if something is broken, perhaps it's a recent JAWS update.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: June 29, 2022 11:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102

Agreed. Firefox broke something in terms of interacting with JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 6:56 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox 102

Right now, I'd say it is a don't download. The applications key doesn't seem to work with jaws running, and neither do keys like the k for play/stop in youtube. Applications key works fine in NVDA, go figure.

CH

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