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moderated Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

Mike B.
 


Hi Mark,
 
After I sent the steps I went into the punctuation list and found that there was no Bullets in there.
 
I should have checked first but, I didn't and I'm sorry for sending you on that wild goose chase, so to speak.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

Mike I tried your instructions but I couldn't get it to work. In terms of using the dictionary, that did work. I associated it with a space and a click sound.  Keep in mind that you have to enter the bullet character and not the word bullet. I don't know how to describe the bullet character non-visually or how to type it. I copied it from the Speech history. 


moderated youtube keystrokes

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
I was just wondering, are there any keystrokes for using Youtube (watching
videos) with Jaws? Using latest versions of Edge, Jaws and Windows 11.
Madison


moderated Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

Mark
 

Mike I tried your instructions but I couldn't get it to work. In terms of using the dictionary, that did work. I associated it with a space and a click sound.  Keep in mind that you have to enter the bullet character and not the word bullet. I don't know how to describe the bullet character non-visually or how to type it. I copied it from the Speech history. 


moderated Re: reading pdfs

Andrew J. LaPointe
 

Hi David Kingsbury and all, I couldn’t download the book either. I answered and filled out everything until the end and it wouldn’t do anything else.  Andy and Leroy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 8:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

 

David,

 

I tried to order your book but kept getting an error message. It didn’t tell me what I must have filled out wrong. I was able to donate—because I think it’s a good cause—but I can’t download your book. Any suggestions?

 

Shirley

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: David Kingsbury
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 12:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

 

Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David

 


moderated Re: reading pdfs

Shirley Tracy
 

David,

 

I tried to order your book but kept getting an error message. It didn’t tell me what I must have filled out wrong. I was able to donate—because I think it’s a good cause—but I can’t download your book. Any suggestions?

 

Shirley

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: David Kingsbury
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 12:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

 

Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David

 


moderated Re: AccessiByeBye!

Andy
 

What does it do?

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Sohl" <tonysohl@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 3:05 PM
Subject: AccessiByeBye!


Hi there is an extention for chrome called AccessiByeBye! It is from
the company pnuma solutions formally serotech.

I believe you can install it on chrome and use it with any screenreader.

The website is:

https://pneumasolutions.com/


moderated AccessiByeBye!

Tony Sohl
 

Hi there is an extention for chrome called AccessiByeBye! It is from the company pnuma solutions formally serotech.

I believe you can install it on chrome and use it with any screenreader.

The website is:

https://pneumasolutions.com/


moderated Re: : Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Don Mauck
 

They don’t however, create accessible  web sites and only create more problems. Overlays are BAD, BAD!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Milton and list, was told don't use that feature, it really doesn't work.

----- Original Message -----

From: Milton Ota

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 1:23 PM

Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Yes, when you see a message like what you described, that is what is known as overlay. You will find that it is beginning to be deployed on large and small sites. Subscription to such an overlay annual cost around $500.00 plus per year and sellers are telling organizations and large coorperation that deploying this overlay will protect them from lawsuits related to an inaccessible website.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Milton, what do you mean by overlay technology? Lately I have run into some sites where it says at the top to “click here to use in screen reader mode.” Sometimes it works and lots of times it doesn’t. Is that what you are talking about, and can you explain it more? Tghanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

I hope these banks don’t deploy overlay technology as many companies and organization are beginning to subscribe to this kind of technology and not forcing webmasters to properly code websites according to the W3C guidelines for accessible website.

 

They pay quite a log of money for this technology but it doesn’t necessarily solve all the accessibility issues of the website and at times it makes it worst.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated Re: But the bullet yut you don't spokfen is actuallty is a single character not the word.

K0LNY
 

I have a regular web page I use that puts bullets on all the lines I want to read on a regular basis, so my method  works well for eliminating hearing it.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: But the bullet yut you don't spokfen is actuallty is a single character not the word.

Hi, Ratshtron. This will probably work, but you would need to add an entry for each type of bullet, and there are several marks for different types of bullets.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: But the bullet yut you don’t spokfen is actuallty is a single character not the word.

 

 


moderated Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

K0LNY
 

Well if you restrict it to the application, like a web page program, by not using control shift D, it won't affect word processors.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

That opens up a stinky can of worms. What will happen if you read a sentence with the word bullet in it, and it is left out, because it was replaced with a space?

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

 

When I encounter this and some others like it that I don't want to hear, on a web page, I use the Jaws dictionary and tell it to replace it with a space.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 6:58 AM

Subject: Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

 

Have you tried looking in the jaws settings center where you have the verbosity settings at? 

Kind regards,

Crayton Benner



On Jun 3, 2022, at 06:15, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

 

Is there a way to make JAWS stop announcing "bullet" in lists in HTML or Word documents? Imagine a very long list with short list items. Each time it would say "bullet".   I have been searching but am stuck. In Quick Settings for Word, I found the bullet type indication setting, but that turns off JAWS saying the type of bullet, like "hollow round", but it still says bullet. I imagine some people just get used to it, but certainly it seems reasonable to give a user the option in a setting, or perhaps change it to a less intrusive sound like a soft chime.

 


moderated Re: But the bullet yut you don't spokfen is actuallty is a single character not the word.

Bill White
 

Hi, Ratshtron. This will probably work, but you would need to add an entry for each type of bullet, and there are several marks for different types of bullets.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: But the bullet yut you don’t spokfen is actuallty is a single character not the word.

 


moderated But the bullet yut you don’t spokfen is actuallty is a single character not the word.

ratshtron
 


moderated Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

Bill White
 

That opens up a stinky can of worms. What will happen if you read a sentence with the word bullet in it, and it is left out, because it was replaced with a space?

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

 

When I encounter this and some others like it that I don't want to hear, on a web page, I use the Jaws dictionary and tell it to replace it with a space.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 6:58 AM

Subject: Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

 

Have you tried looking in the jaws settings center where you have the verbosity settings at? 

Kind regards,

Crayton Benner



On Jun 3, 2022, at 06:15, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

 

Is there a way to make JAWS stop announcing "bullet" in lists in HTML or Word documents? Imagine a very long list with short list items. Each time it would say "bullet".   I have been searching but am stuck. In Quick Settings for Word, I found the bullet type indication setting, but that turns off JAWS saying the type of bullet, like "hollow round", but it still says bullet. I imagine some people just get used to it, but certainly it seems reasonable to give a user the option in a setting, or perhaps change it to a less intrusive sound like a soft chime.

 


moderated Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Judy
 

Well, it’s interesting because a few sites seem to function okay with this overlay thing, but a lot of them are completely useless and worse than if there was nothing at all. There are a couple sites where I can use the site without the “overlay”, not well but I can use it. The thing is that on some smaller websites, they may not know that doing this is not conforming to what they should have to conform to the ADA, and think they are doing what they should. There’s always someone trying to get around what they should be doing. Thankfully my banks are both fine and don’t employ that method. I do agree that NFB and ACB should do more along these lines. Thanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Yes, when you see a message like what you described, that is what is known as overlay. You will find that it is beginning to be deployed on large and small sites. Subscription to such an overlay annual cost around $500.00 plus per year and sellers are telling organizations and large coorperation that deploying this overlay will protect them from lawsuits related to an inaccessible website.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Milton, what do you mean by overlay technology? Lately I have run into some sites where it says at the top to “click here to use in screen reader mode.” Sometimes it works and lots of times it doesn’t. Is that what you are talking about, and can you explain it more? Tghanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

I hope these banks don’t deploy overlay technology as many companies and organization are beginning to subscribe to this kind of technology and not forcing webmasters to properly code websites according to the W3C guidelines for accessible website.

 

They pay quite a log of money for this technology but it doesn’t necessarily solve all the accessibility issues of the website and at times it makes it worst.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated test, please ignore

Mario
 


moderated Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Joseph Machise <josephmachise@...>
 

hey Glenn agree with you from Joseph.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

I don't know who polices the ADA, but they need a class action law suet against these companies.
They do nothing or little for us on web sites and only leave the site owners thinking they are meeting accessibility needs.
We need to let the sites know that the overlay page for the disabled does not work.
The ACB & NFB should collectively do something about this growing problem.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Yes, when you see a message like what you described, that is what is known as overlay. You will find that it is beginning to be deployed on large and small sites. Subscription to such an overlay annual cost around $500.00 plus per year and sellers are telling organizations and large coorperation that deploying this overlay will protect them from lawsuits related to an inaccessible website.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Milton, what do you mean by overlay technology? Lately I have run into some sites where it says at the top to “click here to use in screen reader mode.” Sometimes it works and lots of times it doesn’t. Is that what you are talking about, and can you explain it more? Tghanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

I hope these banks don’t deploy overlay technology as many companies and organization are beginning to subscribe to this kind of technology and not forcing webmasters to properly code websites according to the W3C guidelines for accessible website.

 

They pay quite a log of money for this technology but it doesn’t necessarily solve all the accessibility issues of the website and at times it makes it worst.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Joseph Machise <josephmachise@...>
 

Milton and list, was told don't use that feature, it really doesn't work.

----- Original Message -----
From: Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Yes, when you see a message like what you described, that is what is known as overlay. You will find that it is beginning to be deployed on large and small sites. Subscription to such an overlay annual cost around $500.00 plus per year and sellers are telling organizations and large coorperation that deploying this overlay will protect them from lawsuits related to an inaccessible website.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Milton, what do you mean by overlay technology? Lately I have run into some sites where it says at the top to “click here to use in screen reader mode.” Sometimes it works and lots of times it doesn’t. Is that what you are talking about, and can you explain it more? Tghanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

I hope these banks don’t deploy overlay technology as many companies and organization are beginning to subscribe to this kind of technology and not forcing webmasters to properly code websites according to the W3C guidelines for accessible website.

 

They pay quite a log of money for this technology but it doesn’t necessarily solve all the accessibility issues of the website and at times it makes it worst.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

K0LNY
 

I don't know who polices the ADA, but they need a class action law suet against these companies.
They do nothing or little for us on web sites and only leave the site owners thinking they are meeting accessibility needs.
We need to let the sites know that the overlay page for the disabled does not work.
The ACB & NFB should collectively do something about this growing problem.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Yes, when you see a message like what you described, that is what is known as overlay. You will find that it is beginning to be deployed on large and small sites. Subscription to such an overlay annual cost around $500.00 plus per year and sellers are telling organizations and large coorperation that deploying this overlay will protect them from lawsuits related to an inaccessible website.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Milton, what do you mean by overlay technology? Lately I have run into some sites where it says at the top to “click here to use in screen reader mode.” Sometimes it works and lots of times it doesn’t. Is that what you are talking about, and can you explain it more? Tghanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

I hope these banks don’t deploy overlay technology as many companies and organization are beginning to subscribe to this kind of technology and not forcing webmasters to properly code websites according to the W3C guidelines for accessible website.

 

They pay quite a log of money for this technology but it doesn’t necessarily solve all the accessibility issues of the website and at times it makes it worst.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Milton Ota
 

Yes, when you see a message like what you described, that is what is known as overlay. You will find that it is beginning to be deployed on large and small sites. Subscription to such an overlay annual cost around $500.00 plus per year and sellers are telling organizations and large coorperation that deploying this overlay will protect them from lawsuits related to an inaccessible website.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Milton, what do you mean by overlay technology? Lately I have run into some sites where it says at the top to “click here to use in screen reader mode.” Sometimes it works and lots of times it doesn’t. Is that what you are talking about, and can you explain it more? Tghanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

I hope these banks don’t deploy overlay technology as many companies and organization are beginning to subscribe to this kind of technology and not forcing webmasters to properly code websites according to the W3C guidelines for accessible website.

 

They pay quite a log of money for this technology but it doesn’t necessarily solve all the accessibility issues of the website and at times it makes it worst.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Judy
 

Milton, what do you mean by overlay technology? Lately I have run into some sites where it says at the top to “click here to use in screen reader mode.” Sometimes it works and lots of times it doesn’t. Is that what you are talking about, and can you explain it more? Tghanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

I hope these banks don’t deploy overlay technology as many companies and organization are beginning to subscribe to this kind of technology and not forcing webmasters to properly code websites according to the W3C guidelines for accessible website.

 

They pay quite a log of money for this technology but it doesn’t necessarily solve all the accessibility issues of the website and at times it makes it worst.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.

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