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moderated Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

K0LNY
 

When I encounter this and some others like it that I don't want to hear, on a web page, I use the Jaws dictionary and tell it to replace it with a space.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

Have you tried looking in the jaws settings center where you have the verbosity settings at? 
Kind regards,
Crayton Benner

On Jun 3, 2022, at 06:15, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

Is there a way to make JAWS stop announcing "bullet" in lists in HTML or Word documents? Imagine a very long list with short list items. Each time it would say "bullet".   I have been searching but am stuck. In Quick Settings for Word, I found the bullet type indication setting, but that turns off JAWS saying the type of bullet, like "hollow round", but it still says bullet. I imagine some people just get used to it, but certainly it seems reasonable to give a user the option in a setting, or perhaps change it to a less intrusive sound like a soft chime.


moderated Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Marty Hutchings
 

I always cringe when I hear the words, "We're updating our website."  This usually means that they are going to break it for accessibility.

On 6/3/2022 10:47 AM, Milton Ota wrote:

I hope these banks don’t deploy overlay technology as many companies and organization are beginning to subscribe to this kind of technology and not forcing webmasters to properly code websites according to the W3C guidelines for accessible website.

 

They pay quite a log of money for this technology but it doesn’t necessarily solve all the accessibility issues of the website and at times it makes it worst.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.

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(262) 605-8981
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moderated Update on Wells FargoRe: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Loy
 

It turns out that it was not Wells Fargo but a JAWS problem. Uninstalled JAWS and reinstalled it and all is working as it should now.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 11:19 AM
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated Re: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Milton Ota
 

I hope these banks don’t deploy overlay technology as many companies and organization are beginning to subscribe to this kind of technology and not forcing webmasters to properly code websites according to the W3C guidelines for accessible website.

 

They pay quite a log of money for this technology but it doesn’t necessarily solve all the accessibility issues of the website and at times it makes it worst.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated Re: An Wells Fargo has made changes to web site

Tim Ford
 

I use Wells Fargo, and have used the site several times over the past few days.  It is working fine for me.  What sort of problems arose recently for you?  You are probably doing operations I am not.  If you continue to have problems, Wells Fargo had been using a JAWS consultant, and I have his contact information.

 

 

Tim

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 8:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated AnWells Fargo has made changes to web site

Loy
 

Well, another bank, Wells Fargo has become almost unusable with JAWS. I just got off the phone with Wells Fargo but they were not able to help me navigate their web page.  They are going to work on the problem and get back with me in a few days. Up until a few days ago it was very accessible, but now it is almost impossible to use.  Just a few days ago US Bank also made changes and made it harder to navigate.  Very frustrated.


moderated Re: reading pdfs

Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Tim,
There are quite a few options in the setup and you can run that at any time and change them. Sometimes I just keep making changes until I get it to work.

The one I worked on yesterday had lots of words where they were split in the middle and parts attached to either word on each side of it. I do have to admit that once I get a pdf cleaned up and into a txt file, I save it. I don't want to repeat that process with it again later. It isn't perfect, Adobe could do more to make pdfs accessible, but there are some tricks that can be tried.

Also, I've noticed that with the first option, when you change the reading order, arrow down and check the check box to say don't show this to me again. If you don't, the next pdf won't read because that box is trying to come up and sometimes Jaws doesn't read the dialog box, especially for me when I'm impatient. <smile> It takes awhile to come up and during that time from opening the pdf until then, if I do anything on the computer it won't read the dialog box and I have to close the pdf and open it again and wait, or go back into the edit menu and into accessibility and try it again.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 8:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Karen,

I just spent around a dozen hours dealing with a PDF document conversion. I had all the issues you mentioned. I also found a very weird bug that I have seen before, where there are a number of miss-spelled words. In this document, the letter I was missing in random words, and for all occurrences of that word throughout the 68 page document. Adobe has tried to be more accessible, but their product seems to miss the mark. Thanks again for your recommendation; not sure why my Adobe was not already set correctly.

Tim
that I had to post to a special web site

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 5:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Hi Tim,
Love the snark.

I spent part of yesterday copying a pdf and pasting it into notepad, then because it was in columns, I had to put it in the right order. Some pages were correct, some copied the right column and then the left. I couldn't get Jaws to read the pdf very well which is why I copied and pasted it into notepad. I tried the OCR and that didn't work well either. Sometimes it takes time to play around with the settings to get Jaws to read pdfs correctly. I do know that if the pdf is not a graphic that using the first option and changing the way it reads to left to right top to bottom usually works. If it is a graphic usually the OCR works. I have had to print them sometimes and scanning them back into the computer using Openbook.

Entertaining not being able to see, isn't it?

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Boy, what a thrill to receive this email, and have all my PDF reading problems disappear! Thank you!

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Open Adobe.
Press Alt E.
Up arrow twice to accessibility.
Right arrow to Change reading options and press enter.
or down arrow once to Setup assistant and press enter.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Where are the accessibility features?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

HI,
I find that even with using adobe Acrobat Reader that I still have to play around with the accessibility settings with some pdf files.
Others I have given up on and arrow down to them in my documents and I think it is either application key or right mouse button and arrow down to OCR and let it run and open it in a document.

Karen


On 6/2/22, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various
problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat
Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read
about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David






moderated Re: reading pdfs

Karen Reynolds
 

I do try OCr. If in the end nothing I do works, I assume it is a graphic and print it out and scan it. I know this doesn't really work as a great idea for 100 page documents. <smile>

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 8:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

What do you do if freedom import printer does not work?

I've not done it for quite some time.

Don't you OCR it, or convert it to work or another format?

Justin?




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Hi Tim,
Love the snark.

I spent part of yesterday copying a pdf and pasting it into notepad, then because it was in columns, I had to put it in the right order. Some pages were correct, some copied the right column and then the left. I couldn't get Jaws to read the pdf very well which is why I copied and pasted it into notepad. I tried the OCR and that didn't work well either. Sometimes it takes time to play around with the settings to get Jaws to read pdfs correctly. I do know that if the pdf is not a graphic that using the first option and changing the way it reads to left to right top to bottom usually works. If it is a graphic usually the OCR works. I have had to print them sometimes and scanning them back into the computer using Openbook.

Entertaining not being able to see, isn't it?

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Boy, what a thrill to receive this email, and have all my PDF reading problems disappear! Thank you!

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Open Adobe.
Press Alt E.
Up arrow twice to accessibility.
Right arrow to Change reading options and press enter.
or down arrow once to Setup assistant and press enter.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Where are the accessibility features?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

HI,
I find that even with using adobe Acrobat Reader that I still have to play around with the accessibility settings with some pdf files.
Others I have given up on and arrow down to them in my documents and I think it is either application key or right mouse button and arrow down to OCR and let it run and open it in a document.

Karen


On 6/2/22, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various
problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat
Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read
about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David






moderated jaws 2022 shortcut key moved to tools

barnes
 

Hello,

I  am using jaws2022 on windows 10 desktop.

When I  start jaws it starts  jaws 2020 and jas=jaws2021  and 2022 have been moved  to  tools.

Is there an easy fix for this?

Mark Barnes


maark.barnes@rogers,com

Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

Mike B.
 


Hi Mark,
 
Try the following:
Note: The apostrophy  & dollar sign are only examples.
 
You can change how Jaws speaks the apostrophy in the Settings Centter
default all applications by doing the following.  If you only want to change
the punctuation settings in a particular application just open the Settings
Center while in the particular application by pressing Insert + 6, on the
number row above the main keyboard to open the Settings Center for that particular application:
1. Press Insert + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard to open the
Settings Center, & press, Control, shift, + D, to open default all
applications.
2. Arrow down to, Punctuation closed & press right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to customize punctuation & press the spacebar to open.  Don't
press enter here, if you press enter instad of the spacebar, the Settings
Center will close.
4.A. When making changes in the customize punctuation list, if you do not
want
Jaws to speak/recognize a particular punctuation mark you want to choose the
" all " selection.  You will have 4 radio buttons to arrow up or down
through.  They are none, some, most, & all.  In these selections they work
backwards than what you would think.  For example;  If you choose " none "
for the dollar sign, Jaws will speak / recognize every dollar sign in
whatever you are reading.  On the other hand, if you choose the " all "
radio button, Jaws will not speak / recognize any dollar signs.
 
4.B. After you pressed the spacebar on customize punctuation, you are now in
a list of punctuation marks.  Arrow down the list and when
you have the punctuation mark you want to change highlighted, tab 1 time to
the radio buttons that I mentioned earlier.
5. Keeping in mind what I mentioned earlier about these choices working
backwards, select the box in this list, in your case not wanting any
apostrophy's spoken, choose the all button.
6. Now, if you want to make a change to another punctuation mark, shift tab
back to the list and highlight a different punctuation mark, tab back to the
radio buttons and select the box you prefer.
7. After you are done making your changes tab to okay and press the
spacebar.
8. Tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to okay, press the spacebar to save
your changes & close the Settings Center.
 
Now, I hope that you are not as confused as I am after typing all of this.
LOL  Hope this has helped.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 3:15 AM
Subject: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

Is there a way to make JAWS stop announcing "bullet" in lists in HTML or Word documents? Imagine a very long list with short list items. Each time it would say "bullet".   I have been searching but am stuck. In Quick Settings for Word, I found the bullet type indication setting, but that turns off JAWS saying the type of bullet, like "hollow round", but it still says bullet. I imagine some people just get used to it, but certainly it seems reasonable to give a user the option in a setting, or perhaps change it to a less intrusive sound like a soft chime.


moderated Re: reading pdfs

Justin Williams
 

What do you do if freedom import printer does not work?

I've not done it for quite some time.

Don't you OCR it, or convert it to work or another format?

Justin?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Hi Tim,
Love the snark.

I spent part of yesterday copying a pdf and pasting it into notepad, then because it was in columns, I had to put it in the right order. Some pages were correct, some copied the right column and then the left. I couldn't get Jaws to read the pdf very well which is why I copied and pasted it into notepad. I tried the OCR and that didn't work well either. Sometimes it takes time to play around with the settings to get Jaws to read pdfs correctly. I do know that if the pdf is not a graphic that using the first option and changing the way it reads to left to right top to bottom usually works. If it is a graphic usually the OCR works. I have had to print them sometimes and scanning them back into the computer using Openbook.

Entertaining not being able to see, isn't it?

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Boy, what a thrill to receive this email, and have all my PDF reading problems disappear! Thank you!

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Open Adobe.
Press Alt E.
Up arrow twice to accessibility.
Right arrow to Change reading options and press enter.
or down arrow once to Setup assistant and press enter.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Where are the accessibility features?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

HI,
I find that even with using adobe Acrobat Reader that I still have to play around with the accessibility settings with some pdf files.
Others I have given up on and arrow down to them in my documents and I think it is either application key or right mouse button and arrow down to OCR and let it run and open it in a document.

Karen


On 6/2/22, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various
problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat
Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read
about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David






moderated Re: reading pdfs

Tim Ford
 

Karen,

I just spent around a dozen hours dealing with a PDF document conversion. I had all the issues you mentioned. I also found a very weird bug that I have seen before, where there are a number of miss-spelled words. In this document, the letter I was missing in random words, and for all occurrences of that word throughout the 68 page document. Adobe has tried to be more accessible, but their product seems to miss the mark. Thanks again for your recommendation; not sure why my Adobe was not already set correctly.

Tim
that I had to post to a special web site

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 5:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Hi Tim,
Love the snark.

I spent part of yesterday copying a pdf and pasting it into notepad, then because it was in columns, I had to put it in the right order. Some pages were correct, some copied the right column and then the left. I couldn't get Jaws to read the pdf very well which is why I copied and pasted it into notepad. I tried the OCR and that didn't work well either. Sometimes it takes time to play around with the settings to get Jaws to read pdfs correctly. I do know that if the pdf is not a graphic that using the first option and changing the way it reads to left to right top to bottom usually works. If it is a graphic usually the OCR works. I have had to print them sometimes and scanning them back into the computer using Openbook.

Entertaining not being able to see, isn't it?

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Boy, what a thrill to receive this email, and have all my PDF reading problems disappear! Thank you!

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Open Adobe.
Press Alt E.
Up arrow twice to accessibility.
Right arrow to Change reading options and press enter.
or down arrow once to Setup assistant and press enter.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Where are the accessibility features?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

HI,
I find that even with using adobe Acrobat Reader that I still have to play around with the accessibility settings with some pdf files.
Others I have given up on and arrow down to them in my documents and I think it is either application key or right mouse button and arrow down to OCR and let it run and open it in a document.

Karen


On 6/2/22, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various
problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat
Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read
about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David






moderated Re: reading pdfs

Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Tim,
Love the snark.

I spent part of yesterday copying a pdf and pasting it into notepad, then because it was in columns, I had to put it in the right order. Some pages were correct, some copied the right column and then the left. I couldn't get Jaws to read the pdf very well which is why I copied and pasted it into notepad. I tried the OCR and that didn't work well either. Sometimes it takes time to play around with the settings to get Jaws to read pdfs correctly. I do know that if the pdf is not a graphic that using the first option and changing the way it reads to left to right top to bottom usually works. If it is a graphic usually the OCR works. I have had to print them sometimes and scanning them back into the computer using Openbook.

Entertaining not being able to see, isn't it?

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Boy, what a thrill to receive this email, and have all my PDF reading problems disappear! Thank you!

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Open Adobe.
Press Alt E.
Up arrow twice to accessibility.
Right arrow to Change reading options and press enter.
or down arrow once to Setup assistant and press enter.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Where are the accessibility features?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

HI,
I find that even with using adobe Acrobat Reader that I still have to play around with the accessibility settings with some pdf files.
Others I have given up on and arrow down to them in my documents and I think it is either application key or right mouse button and arrow down to OCR and let it run and open it in a document.

Karen


On 6/2/22, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various
problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat
Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read
about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David






moderated Re: Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

Have you tried looking in the jaws settings center where you have the verbosity settings at? 
Kind regards,
Crayton Benner

On Jun 3, 2022, at 06:15, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

Is there a way to make JAWS stop announcing "bullet" in lists in HTML or Word documents? Imagine a very long list with short list items. Each time it would say "bullet".   I have been searching but am stuck. In Quick Settings for Word, I found the bullet type indication setting, but that turns off JAWS saying the type of bullet, like "hollow round", but it still says bullet. I imagine some people just get used to it, but certainly it seems reasonable to give a user the option in a setting, or perhaps change it to a less intrusive sound like a soft chime.


moderated Re: reading pdfs

Tim Ford
 

Boy, what a thrill to receive this email, and have all my PDF reading problems disappear! Thank you!

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Open Adobe.
Press Alt E.
Up arrow twice to accessibility.
Right arrow to Change reading options and press enter.
or down arrow once to Setup assistant and press enter.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Where are the accessibility features?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

HI,
I find that even with using adobe Acrobat Reader that I still have to play around with the accessibility settings with some pdf files.
Others I have given up on and arrow down to them in my documents and I think it is either application key or right mouse button and arrow down to OCR and let it run and open it in a document.

Karen


On 6/2/22, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various
problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat
Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read
about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David






moderated Verbosity, stop saying bullet?

Mark
 

Is there a way to make JAWS stop announcing "bullet" in lists in HTML or Word documents? Imagine a very long list with short list items. Each time it would say "bullet".   I have been searching but am stuck. In Quick Settings for Word, I found the bullet type indication setting, but that turns off JAWS saying the type of bullet, like "hollow round", but it still says bullet. I imagine some people just get used to it, but certainly it seems reasonable to give a user the option in a setting, or perhaps change it to a less intrusive sound like a soft chime.


moderated Setting up Remote Desktop and remote Desktop Connections

Dave Durber
 

Justin, Steve, and anyone who may be interested:
 
As this is a prodject in progress, as I complete each part successfully, I will post the necessary information regarding that part.
 
I have been partially successful in connecting my laptop within my network to the main PC in my home. I have got a slight snag, where the main PC is requesting log in information in order to connect to my lapptop. I am not sure whether this is supposed to happen. I will nedd to confirm this.
 
Dave
 
 
 


moderated Re: reading pdfs

Karen Reynolds
 

Open Adobe.
Press Alt E.
Up arrow twice to accessibility.
Right arrow to Change reading options and press enter.
or down arrow once to Setup assistant and press enter.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

Where are the accessibility features?

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

HI,
I find that even with using adobe Acrobat Reader that I still have to play around with the accessibility settings with some pdf files.
Others I have given up on and arrow down to them in my documents and I think it is either application key or right mouse button and arrow down to OCR and let it run and open it in a document.

Karen


On 6/2/22, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various
problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat
Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read
about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David






moderated Re: reading pdfs

Justin Williams
 

Where are the accessibility features?

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

HI,
I find that even with using adobe Acrobat Reader that I still have to play around with the accessibility settings with some pdf files.
Others I have given up on and arrow down to them in my documents and I think it is either application key or right mouse button and arrow down to OCR and let it run and open it in a document.

Karen


On 6/2/22, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
Hi,
As Kestrell and others have pointed out, you can run into various
problems with PDF's. For best results generally, use Adobe Acrobat
Reader rather than one of the browser PDF readers. And you can read
about the vvarious issues encountered and how to deal with them in Chapter 10 of my book.
Regards,
David






moderated Re: reading pdfs

Justin Williams
 

I've tried to type it in, search for it, and follow the links on the carol page.

 

Can't find it.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kestrel Verlager
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdfs

 

 

If you have already gone through the Acrobat accessibility settings  setup, there is one more setting you should fix to ensure PDF documents are accessible with a screen reader, and that is turning off protected view. David Kingsbury covers this in his book _The Windows Screen Reader Primer_, which can be downloaded here

https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/

 

I will add that there are a couple of other PDF accessibility issues with screen readers which David also discusses in his book, one of which is a reading order issue. If you have an issue where it sounds as if words are being smooshed together with no spaces between them, post again and I will explain about how to potentially fix that issue, also.

 

Here is the section heading and the instructions:

 

10.1.1

 

There is one more change to make. Disabling Protected view is absolutely crucial. Until you do this, you simply will not be able to read PDF’s with your screen reader. Steps are:

1.            Press Alt to open the menu, Right arrow once to the Edit menu, Up arrow to Preferences, and press Enter.

2.            This opens a categories list. Press S until you get to Security enhanced.

3.            Tab once to the Enable Protected view at startup checkbox and press the Spacebar to uncheck it.

4.            Tab to the OK button and press Enter.

5.            Pres Alt F4 to close Acrobat Reader and then reopen it. The application must be closed for this change to take effect.

 

Kestrell 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 6:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading pdfs

 

It just seems as if reading pdfs are hits and misses.

 

I've downloaded severaol, but can't read them all.

 

What methods can we use for this?

 

It seems as fi the methods change time and time again?

 

Even when I try the brosers, the books don's all work

Justin

 

 

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