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moderated Re: jaws scan cursor and question about vlc media player

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Uninstall Notepad from the App Store, then you’ll be back to the old Notepad, even in Windows 11.

 

All the best


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 23 April 2022 15:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws scan cursor and question about vlc media player

 

yes but in notepad in windows11 the status line is non-standard and the jaws and invisible cursors can't see it, only the touch cursor can see it.


moderated Re: jaws scan cursor and question about vlc media player

Steve Nutt
 

Then you’d complain the screen reader was not responsive, because it would have more work to do.

 

All the best


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 23 April 2022 15:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws scan cursor and question about vlc media player

 

I would also like to make a script so when I fast forward and rewind through a file jaws will read the current time so if I am 8 minutes into a 2 hour long mp3 I will know that. But I can't find any script functions letting me script the jaws scan cursor. 
Jaws and NVDA and narrator are the same. lets just say they are not very smart. I hope to see a day where jaws could upon when you open a new application, analyse the screen to see what is happening when you navigate the application and automatically read what may catch a sighted person's eye such as changing status lines and things. And in more difficult applications with lots of unlabeled buttons or graphics Jaws would, without any or little input from the user first try labeling the buttons or unknown controls or unknown windows using conventional methods but it would do this automatically by analyzing the application without you having to script it. If it could not determine what the unidentified window or control is through conventional means it would then auto-OCR and try and figure it out that way. If it still can't figure out what's going on and what unknown windows and controls are on screen, it would use a more advanced cloud service and if it still can't it would send a special screen shot and report to sighted people who would label the controls and send their labels to an A-I training model server so jaws could recognise similar applications and unknown windows and controls and such in the future. For specialized things you could still turn Jaws A-I mode off and resort to conventional scripting if you wanted to.I wish screen readers were smart, like my alexa device, learning over time what I like and don't like, or in Jaws case, and this goes for other screen readers as well, automatically learn about the applications I am using and read what catches a sighted user's eye and automatically teach itself about unknown windows, graphics, controls, even inaccessible video game screens and menus to try and  make them as accessible as possible. 


moderated Re: jaws being smarter requiring less scripts

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

You’d also want to turn that AI off too, because it may ignore something you might want to hear.

 

All the best


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 23 April 2022 18:17
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws being smarter requiring less scripts

 

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 01:11 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Jaws sits back analyses the game as other sighted users plays it and sees how it is played to make it as accessible as possible using a combination of OCR, picture smart or some version of it, and A-I,

-
Eventually, I have to believe that AI functionality will make massive improvements in screen reading technology.

Virtually anything JAWS and the other screen readers do, as they do it now, is light years away from "the sighted experience" of anything.  Formerly sighted users of screen readers can tell you that even better than I can.

But AI is not yet a part of any screen reader technology, and we're nowhere near to having it integrated into screen readers in any substantial way.

You've already answered your own question, and not just in regard to JAWS, but kinda in reverse.   Screen readers are not "smart" technology and are a very long way from being rewritten such that they employ the kinds of AI that would be needed to imitate "visual filtering" both for items of significance as well as the stuff we sighted folks ignore all the time, and only hunt for on the very rarest of occasions.  And on those occasions we do have to hunt for it on the page/screen/window because it's not something that even registers during typical use.
 
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moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Joseph Machise
 


bill is that a beta one 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Hi, Joseph. Here is the link to CDex version 170B

 

https://filehippo.com/download_cdex/1.7.0.2.-2/post_download/

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

        Hi bill tried to write you off list, can you send me the link for CDEXE

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, Nancy. One change I would have made in the phoenetic pronunciation of beignet is that I would have used one e in ben yea, because when you write the word been as in the past tense of be, it almost sounds like an I sound, whereas if you write ben, it sounds like a short e, the way beignet should sound.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, if the word that jaws mispronounces should be said as force fed, it would not take more than a minute to correct the pronunciation from forcefed to force fed.  Here's a word that I corrected earlier today:  beignet.  I corrected it to be said been yea...and it will be said properly each time it comes up because Imade the change in the word dictionary.

 

Just a thought.

nancy

On 4/24/2022 7:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I was reading on a forum and came across a word that Jaws really can't pronounce. the word 
"forcefed".
Go over that word carefully or have jaws spell it out one letter at a time and you'll see what I mean. Not sure if Vocalizer pronounces that one right as I currently don't have it installed. But I find it odd that a pretty common word could or would be so horribly mispronounced by eloquence. Well eloquence is around a 27 year old tts after all. People told me other words eloquence can't pronounce but I guess the word forcefed is just one of those undocumented mispronounced words. 


moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Joseph Machise
 


bill got it thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Hi, Joseph. Try this link, then click the download button.

 

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/cdex-1-51

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

        Hi bill tried to write you off list, can you send me the link for CDEXE

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, Nancy. One change I would have made in the phoenetic pronunciation of beignet is that I would have used one e in ben yea, because when you write the word been as in the past tense of be, it almost sounds like an I sound, whereas if you write ben, it sounds like a short e, the way beignet should sound.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, if the word that jaws mispronounces should be said as force fed, it would not take more than a minute to correct the pronunciation from forcefed to force fed.  Here's a word that I corrected earlier today:  beignet.  I corrected it to be said been yea...and it will be said properly each time it comes up because Imade the change in the word dictionary.

 

Just a thought.

nancy

On 4/24/2022 7:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I was reading on a forum and came across a word that Jaws really can't pronounce. the word 
"forcefed".
Go over that word carefully or have jaws spell it out one letter at a time and you'll see what I mean. Not sure if Vocalizer pronounces that one right as I currently don't have it installed. But I find it odd that a pretty common word could or would be so horribly mispronounced by eloquence. Well eloquence is around a 27 year old tts after all. People told me other words eloquence can't pronounce but I guess the word forcefed is just one of those undocumented mispronounced words. 


moderated Re: cd ripping program

Joseph Machise
 

thanks bill

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

Hi, Tom.

 

To Make CDex Work Again With The New Server,

 

1. Try to find CDex versions 151.exe, or 170b2_enu.exe. These are the versions that seem to work best.

2. Install, and open CDex.

3. Press ALT plus O for Options, then press ENTER on Settings.

4. Use CONTROL plus TAB to navigate to Remote Server Settings.

5. TAB to Add Site, and press ENTER.

6. TAB back to the address field, and put the following,

 

gnudb.gnudb.org

 

7. In the path, put,

 

/~cddb/cddb.cgi

 

8. Where the email address goes, put in a valid email address.

 

9. TAB to Submit, and press ENTER.

10. You will hear an error message telling you that it can't send email via http. Just ignore it.

11. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

12. Put in a commercial CD that would be in the database, then start CDex. See if the tracks are titled. If they are, it's working. If it says unknown, it's still not working. Something wasn't done right.

 

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

 

Bill:

 

Even though I haven’t ripped CD’s for a while with CD.EXE, I always found the program to be quite accessible with Jaws.

 

Can you give me instructions for finding the new CD.EXE server?

 

I’ll save them for future reference.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

 

I still use CDex, even though it was created back in the Windows XP days. You must change the server, though, because it has changed, and you won't get the music database the way it is set now. Write me off-list if you'd like the details for the new server.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gery Gaubert
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 5:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: cd ripping program

 

I have some audio cd’s.  I would like to get them converted to .mp3.  Is there a preferred program that is jaws accessible to get this done?


moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Joseph Machise
 


thanks bill

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Hi, Joseph. Try this link, then click the download button.

 

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/cdex-1-51

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

        Hi bill tried to write you off list, can you send me the link for CDEXE

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, Nancy. One change I would have made in the phoenetic pronunciation of beignet is that I would have used one e in ben yea, because when you write the word been as in the past tense of be, it almost sounds like an I sound, whereas if you write ben, it sounds like a short e, the way beignet should sound.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, if the word that jaws mispronounces should be said as force fed, it would not take more than a minute to correct the pronunciation from forcefed to force fed.  Here's a word that I corrected earlier today:  beignet.  I corrected it to be said been yea...and it will be said properly each time it comes up because Imade the change in the word dictionary.

 

Just a thought.

nancy

On 4/24/2022 7:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I was reading on a forum and came across a word that Jaws really can't pronounce. the word 
"forcefed".
Go over that word carefully or have jaws spell it out one letter at a time and you'll see what I mean. Not sure if Vocalizer pronounces that one right as I currently don't have it installed. But I find it odd that a pretty common word could or would be so horribly mispronounced by eloquence. Well eloquence is around a 27 year old tts after all. People told me other words eloquence can't pronounce but I guess the word forcefed is just one of those undocumented mispronounced words. 


moderated Re: cd ripping program

Joseph Machise
 

hi bill can you send me off list that CD riping program my e-mail is jdmachise@... thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

Hi, Tom.

 

To Make CDex Work Again With The New Server,

 

1. Try to find CDex versions 151.exe, or 170b2_enu.exe. These are the versions that seem to work best.

2. Install, and open CDex.

3. Press ALT plus O for Options, then press ENTER on Settings.

4. Use CONTROL plus TAB to navigate to Remote Server Settings.

5. TAB to Add Site, and press ENTER.

6. TAB back to the address field, and put the following,

 

gnudb.gnudb.org

 

7. In the path, put,

 

/~cddb/cddb.cgi

 

8. Where the email address goes, put in a valid email address.

 

9. TAB to Submit, and press ENTER.

10. You will hear an error message telling you that it can't send email via http. Just ignore it.

11. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

12. Put in a commercial CD that would be in the database, then start CDex. See if the tracks are titled. If they are, it's working. If it says unknown, it's still not working. Something wasn't done right.

 

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

 

Bill:

 

Even though I haven’t ripped CD’s for a while with CD.EXE, I always found the program to be quite accessible with Jaws.

 

Can you give me instructions for finding the new CD.EXE server?

 

I’ll save them for future reference.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

 

I still use CDex, even though it was created back in the Windows XP days. You must change the server, though, because it has changed, and you won't get the music database the way it is set now. Write me off-list if you'd like the details for the new server.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gery Gaubert
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 5:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: cd ripping program

 

I have some audio cd’s.  I would like to get them converted to .mp3.  Is there a preferred program that is jaws accessible to get this done?


moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Sandra Streeter
 

Of course, with a smattering of Canadian accent, I would have to replace “been” with “bean”. Always somethin’!

 

Sandra

 

There is nothing so confining as the prisons of our own perceptions.

(William Shakespeare)

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 1:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

LOL, Bill...you do have a point, but I might just be having jaws pronounce beignet like they do down South.

 

regards,

nancy

On 4/24/2022 10:10 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Nancy. One change I would have made in the phoenetic pronunciation of beignet is that I would have used one e in ben yea, because when you write the word been as in the past tense of be, it almost sounds like an I sound, whereas if you write ben, it sounds like a short e, the way beignet should sound.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, if the word that jaws mispronounces should be said as force fed, it would not take more than a minute to correct the pronunciation from forcefed to force fed.  Here's a word that I corrected earlier today:  beignet.  I corrected it to be said been yea...and it will be said properly each time it comes up because Imade the change in the word dictionary.

 

Just a thought.

nancy

On 4/24/2022 7:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I was reading on a forum and came across a word that Jaws really can't pronounce. the word 
"forcefed".
Go over that word carefully or have jaws spell it out one letter at a time and you'll see what I mean. Not sure if Vocalizer pronounces that one right as I currently don't have it installed. But I find it odd that a pretty common word could or would be so horribly mispronounced by eloquence. Well eloquence is around a 27 year old tts after all. People told me other words eloquence can't pronounce but I guess the word forcefed is just one of those undocumented mispronounced words. 


moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Bill White
 

Hi, Nancy. I can get it to do the same thing without spaces by spelling the alternate spelling Malakai

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Mal uh ki is how I would get the jaws dictionary to pronounce the name of the Biblical book...with a space between each sylable....that makes the name sound right to my 'Southern' ears.

 

regards,

nancy

On 4/24/2022 10:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

You could also go into "eloqmain.dct" in Notepad, and type something like:

Malachi [.1mAl.0x.2kY]
MALACHI [.1mAl.0x.2kY]
malachi [.1mAl.0x.2kY]

On 04/24/2022 6:13 PM Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi, David. If you're talking about the book of the Bible, I've usually seen it spelled, Malachi. Still mispronounced, but if you put it in the JAWS dictionary and change its pronunciation there, you could make it come out more or less correct. If you spell it the way it is in your post, though, and you come onto the regular spelling, you're still going to get the mispronunciation, because the word wasn't entered with the correct spelling in the first dialog where it needs to be detected as a word for which the pronunciation should be changed.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 4:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

That’s why we have a JAWS dictionary.  LOL.  How about this one Melichi.  That should be pronounced as Melakeye

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 24, 2022 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 07:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

forcefed

-
Should be force-fed (most commonly), or two separate words.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force-fed 

As one word it defies a lot of standard phonotactic rules of spoken English.  I'd imagine you'd get something like forcef (not a real word) with a past tense ED somehow attached to it.  Or it could be a lot worse.  I don't have the synth available to test.
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     ~ Lauren Bacall

 


moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Nancy Hill
 

Mal uh ki is how I would get the jaws dictionary to pronounce the name of the Biblical book...with a space between each sylable....that makes the name sound right to my 'Southern' ears.


regards,

nancy

On 4/24/2022 10:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

You could also go into "eloqmain.dct" in Notepad, and type something like:
Malachi [.1mAl.0x.2kY]
MALACHI [.1mAl.0x.2kY]
malachi [.1mAl.0x.2kY]
On 04/24/2022 6:13 PM Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:


Hi, David. If you're talking about the book of the Bible, I've usually seen it spelled, Malachi. Still mispronounced, but if you put it in the JAWS dictionary and change its pronunciation there, you could make it come out more or less correct. If you spell it the way it is in your post, though, and you come onto the regular spelling, you're still going to get the mispronunciation, because the word wasn't entered with the correct spelling in the first dialog where it needs to be detected as a word for which the pronunciation should be changed.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 4:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

That’s why we have a JAWS dictionary.  LOL.  How about this one Melichi.  That should be pronounced as Melakeye

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 24, 2022 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 07:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

forcefed

-
Should be force-fed (most commonly), or two separate words.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force-fed 

As one word it defies a lot of standard phonotactic rules of spoken English.  I'd imagine you'd get something like forcef (not a real word) with a past tense ED somehow attached to it.  Or it could be a lot worse.  I don't have the synth available to test.
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moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Nancy Hill
 

LOL, Bill...you do have a point, but I might just be having jaws pronounce beignet like they do down South.


regards,

nancy

On 4/24/2022 10:10 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Nancy. One change I would have made in the phoenetic pronunciation of beignet is that I would have used one e in ben yea, because when you write the word been as in the past tense of be, it almost sounds like an I sound, whereas if you write ben, it sounds like a short e, the way beignet should sound.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, if the word that jaws mispronounces should be said as force fed, it would not take more than a minute to correct the pronunciation from forcefed to force fed.  Here's a word that I corrected earlier today:  beignet.  I corrected it to be said been yea...and it will be said properly each time it comes up because Imade the change in the word dictionary.

 

Just a thought.

nancy

On 4/24/2022 7:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I was reading on a forum and came across a word that Jaws really can't pronounce. the word 
"forcefed".
Go over that word carefully or have jaws spell it out one letter at a time and you'll see what I mean. Not sure if Vocalizer pronounces that one right as I currently don't have it installed. But I find it odd that a pretty common word could or would be so horribly mispronounced by eloquence. Well eloquence is around a 27 year old tts after all. People told me other words eloquence can't pronounce but I guess the word forcefed is just one of those undocumented mispronounced words. 


moderated Tab not following Virtual Cursor

Dennis Brown
 

Whenever I’m on a web page, and I arrow down the page, then start using tab to move through links, it starts at the top of the page, not where the virtual cursor is located.

I have the setting Screen track virtual cursor set to on, but is that the only setting I need?

Thanks,

Dennis




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moderated Re: cd ripping program

John Covici
 

Exact Audio Copy is the one I have found that works the best for
ripping -- it will do mp3, keep it as wav, or flac or any other
external program.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:43:29 -0400,
Bill White wrote:

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Hi, Tom.

To Make CDex Work Again With The New Server,

1. Try to find CDex versions 151.exe, or 170b2_enu.exe. These are the
versions that seem to work best.
2. Install, and open CDex.
3. Press ALT plus O for Options, then press ENTER on Settings.
4. Use CONTROL plus TAB to navigate to Remote Server Settings.
5. TAB to Add Site, and press ENTER.
6. TAB back to the address field, and put the following,

gnudb.gnudb.org

7. In the path, put,

/~cddb/cddb.cgi

8. Where the email address goes, put in a valid email address.

9. TAB to Submit, and press ENTER.
10. You will hear an error message telling you that it can't send email via
http. Just ignore it.
11. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.
12. Put in a commercial CD that would be in the database, then start CDex.
See if the tracks are titled. If they are, it's working. If it says unknown,
it's still not working. Something wasn't done right.


Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...> billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

Bill:

Even though I haven't ripped CD's for a while with CD.EXE, I always found
the program to be quite accessible with Jaws.

Can you give me instructions for finding the new CD.EXE server?

I'll save them for future reference.

Thank you!

Tom Behler


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

I still use CDex, even though it was created back in the Windows XP days.
You must change the server, though, because it has changed, and you won't
get the music database the way it is set now. Write me off-list if you'd
like the details for the new server.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...> billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gery
Gaubert
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 5:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: cd ripping program

I have some audio cd's. I would like to get them converted to .mp3. Is
there a preferred program that is jaws accessible to get this done?






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moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Bill White
 

Hi, Joseph. Here is the link to CDex version 170B

 

https://filehippo.com/download_cdex/1.7.0.2.-2/post_download/

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

        Hi bill tried to write you off list, can you send me the link for CDEXE

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, Nancy. One change I would have made in the phoenetic pronunciation of beignet is that I would have used one e in ben yea, because when you write the word been as in the past tense of be, it almost sounds like an I sound, whereas if you write ben, it sounds like a short e, the way beignet should sound.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, if the word that jaws mispronounces should be said as force fed, it would not take more than a minute to correct the pronunciation from forcefed to force fed.  Here's a word that I corrected earlier today:  beignet.  I corrected it to be said been yea...and it will be said properly each time it comes up because Imade the change in the word dictionary.

 

Just a thought.

nancy

On 4/24/2022 7:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I was reading on a forum and came across a word that Jaws really can't pronounce. the word 
"forcefed".
Go over that word carefully or have jaws spell it out one letter at a time and you'll see what I mean. Not sure if Vocalizer pronounces that one right as I currently don't have it installed. But I find it odd that a pretty common word could or would be so horribly mispronounced by eloquence. Well eloquence is around a 27 year old tts after all. People told me other words eloquence can't pronounce but I guess the word forcefed is just one of those undocumented mispronounced words. 


moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Bill White
 

Hi, Joseph. Try this link, then click the download button.

 

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/cdex-1-51

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

        Hi bill tried to write you off list, can you send me the link for CDEXE

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, Nancy. One change I would have made in the phoenetic pronunciation of beignet is that I would have used one e in ben yea, because when you write the word been as in the past tense of be, it almost sounds like an I sound, whereas if you write ben, it sounds like a short e, the way beignet should sound.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, if the word that jaws mispronounces should be said as force fed, it would not take more than a minute to correct the pronunciation from forcefed to force fed.  Here's a word that I corrected earlier today:  beignet.  I corrected it to be said been yea...and it will be said properly each time it comes up because Imade the change in the word dictionary.

 

Just a thought.

nancy

On 4/24/2022 7:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I was reading on a forum and came across a word that Jaws really can't pronounce. the word 
"forcefed".
Go over that word carefully or have jaws spell it out one letter at a time and you'll see what I mean. Not sure if Vocalizer pronounces that one right as I currently don't have it installed. But I find it odd that a pretty common word could or would be so horribly mispronounced by eloquence. Well eloquence is around a 27 year old tts after all. People told me other words eloquence can't pronounce but I guess the word forcefed is just one of those undocumented mispronounced words. 


moderated Re: cd ripping program

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom.

 

To Make CDex Work Again With The New Server,

 

1. Try to find CDex versions 151.exe, or 170b2_enu.exe. These are the versions that seem to work best.

2. Install, and open CDex.

3. Press ALT plus O for Options, then press ENTER on Settings.

4. Use CONTROL plus TAB to navigate to Remote Server Settings.

5. TAB to Add Site, and press ENTER.

6. TAB back to the address field, and put the following,

 

gnudb.gnudb.org

 

7. In the path, put,

 

/~cddb/cddb.cgi

 

8. Where the email address goes, put in a valid email address.

 

9. TAB to Submit, and press ENTER.

10. You will hear an error message telling you that it can't send email via http. Just ignore it.

11. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

12. Put in a commercial CD that would be in the database, then start CDex. See if the tracks are titled. If they are, it's working. If it says unknown, it's still not working. Something wasn't done right.

 

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

 

Bill:

 

Even though I haven’t ripped CD’s for a while with CD.EXE, I always found the program to be quite accessible with Jaws.

 

Can you give me instructions for finding the new CD.EXE server?

 

I’ll save them for future reference.

 

Thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: cd ripping program

 

I still use CDex, even though it was created back in the Windows XP days. You must change the server, though, because it has changed, and you won't get the music database the way it is set now. Write me off-list if you'd like the details for the new server.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gery Gaubert
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 5:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: cd ripping program

 

I have some audio cd’s.  I would like to get them converted to .mp3.  Is there a preferred program that is jaws accessible to get this done?


moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Joseph Machise
 


        Hi bill tried to write you off list, can you send me the link for CDEXE

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Hi, Nancy. One change I would have made in the phoenetic pronunciation of beignet is that I would have used one e in ben yea, because when you write the word been as in the past tense of be, it almost sounds like an I sound, whereas if you write ben, it sounds like a short e, the way beignet should sound.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

Hi, if the word that jaws mispronounces should be said as force fed, it would not take more than a minute to correct the pronunciation from forcefed to force fed.  Here's a word that I corrected earlier today:  beignet.  I corrected it to be said been yea...and it will be said properly each time it comes up because Imade the change in the word dictionary.

 

Just a thought.

nancy

On 4/24/2022 7:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I was reading on a forum and came across a word that Jaws really can't pronounce. the word 
"forcefed".
Go over that word carefully or have jaws spell it out one letter at a time and you'll see what I mean. Not sure if Vocalizer pronounces that one right as I currently don't have it installed. But I find it odd that a pretty common word could or would be so horribly mispronounced by eloquence. Well eloquence is around a 27 year old tts after all. People told me other words eloquence can't pronounce but I guess the word forcefed is just one of those undocumented mispronounced words. 


moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

You could go into "Eloqmain.dct" within Notepad and type the following:
Malachi `[.1mAl.0x.2kY]
MALACHI `[.1mAl.0x.2kY]
malachi `[.1mAl.0x.2kY]

On 04/24/2022 6:13 PM Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:


Hi, David. If you're talking about the book of the Bible, I've usually seen it spelled, Malachi. Still mispronounced, but if you put it in the JAWS dictionary and change its pronunciation there, you could make it come out more or less correct. If you spell it the way it is in your post, though, and you come onto the regular spelling, you're still going to get the mispronunciation, because the word wasn't entered with the correct spelling in the first dialog where it needs to be detected as a word for which the pronunciation should be changed.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 4:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

That’s why we have a JAWS dictionary.  LOL.  How about this one Melichi.  That should be pronounced as Melakeye

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 24, 2022 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 07:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

forcefed

-
Should be force-fed (most commonly), or two separate words.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force-fed 

As one word it defies a lot of standard phonotactic rules of spoken English.  I'd imagine you'd get something like forcef (not a real word) with a past tense ED somehow attached to it.  Or it could be a lot worse.  I don't have the synth available to test.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall



moderated Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

You could also go into "eloqmain.dct" in Notepad, and type something like:
Malachi [.1mAl.0x.2kY]
MALACHI [.1mAl.0x.2kY]
malachi [.1mAl.0x.2kY]

On 04/24/2022 6:13 PM Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:


Hi, David. If you're talking about the book of the Bible, I've usually seen it spelled, Malachi. Still mispronounced, but if you put it in the JAWS dictionary and change its pronunciation there, you could make it come out more or less correct. If you spell it the way it is in your post, though, and you come onto the regular spelling, you're still going to get the mispronunciation, because the word wasn't entered with the correct spelling in the first dialog where it needs to be detected as a word for which the pronunciation should be changed.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2022 4:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

That’s why we have a JAWS dictionary.  LOL.  How about this one Melichi.  That should be pronounced as Melakeye

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 24, 2022 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: a word that Jaws really mispronounces

 

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 07:13 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

forcefed

-
Should be force-fed (most commonly), or two separate words.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force-fed 

As one word it defies a lot of standard phonotactic rules of spoken English.  I'd imagine you'd get something like forcef (not a real word) with a past tense ED somehow attached to it.  Or it could be a lot worse.  I don't have the synth available to test.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


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