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moderated Message from Google Chrome

kevin meyers <kman2020@...>
 

Hi, I have the most recent version of Google Chrome. I go to my health insurance web site and I enter my user id and password. I then get the message “This site can access your location, change this setting in the address bar.” I looked in settings for something to make some type of change and couldn’t find anything. Well I wasn’t sure what I was looking to change. I cleared out browsing data and the message still appears. I’m taken back to the log on screen and each time I enter my user id and password the message still appears. Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Kevin

 


moderated Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

Mark
 

Who makes the speech synthesizers used by JAWS?  And does anyone have stories about how speech synthesizers are made? It's a complete mystery to me, so anything that can stretch my imagination would be appreciated.


moderated Re: Test - - automatic removal

Justin Williams
 

Got it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marilyn
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 6:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Test - - automatic removal

I was automatically unsubscribed and am trying to get messages to
resume.
Hoping I'm back.
Thanks.
Marilyn


moderated Test - - automatic removal

marilyn
 

I was automatically unsubscribed and am trying to get messages to resume.
Hoping I'm back.
Thanks.
Marilyn


moderated Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.

Bill White
 

Hi, Steve. This is when in the Address bar of Chrome, using CONTROL plus L,
not the Google search bar.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 4:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google
chrome browser.

Hi,

I'm not hearing that at all, so something odd is going on here.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: 07 April 2022 17:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google
chrome browser.

hmmm,, I hear the letter a when loading chrome but it actually isn't there.
I paste my link in and chrome goes to the link with no problem. so its my
guess that jaws is speaking a ghost letter, lol!


Legend has it that on Wednesday 4/6/2022 07:43 PM, Albert Cutolo said:
----------------------------------------

Good evening everyone,



When I go into my google chrome's address bar too type a search, there
is a letter a that comes up which I can't get rid of, even when I try
using the delete key on my dell laptop computer. No matter how many
times I try deleting that a letter, its still appears. I've gone into
the settings for chrome, deleted history, cash cookies and passwords
and also did a clear all data. How can I get rid of that a letter?



Thanks for any and all suggestions and advice,



Al
----------------------------------------


moderated Re: JAWS phonetic announcement as one types

Mike B.
 


Hi Shai,
 
About the closest you can come to doing this is to have Jaws speak the letters phonetically using character navigation.  Steps are below.
 
If you only want to do this in a particular application open the Settings Center while using the application, but if you want to do this in all applications open the Settings Center default all applications using steps below.
 
Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center in either of these 2 ways.
A. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
B. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + F2, to open the, Jaws Manager, arrow down,
Settings Center, & press enter.
With the Settings Center open press, control, shift , + D, to open the
Settings Center Default All Applications.

2. Down arrow to, Text Processing closed, and right arrow to open.
 
3. Down arrow to, General closed, and right arrow to open.
 
4. Down arrow to, Phonetic Announcement closed and right arrow to open.
 
5. Down arrow to, When pausing after character navigation..., and use the spacebar to toggle through the 4 options.  The 4 options are, Never, after one half second, after 1 second and after 1 and one half seconds.
 
6. If you make any changes tab to, Apply, press the spacebar then tab to, Okay, and press the spacebar or enter to save & close.
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Shai
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2022 9:02 PM
Subject: JAWS phonetic announcement as one types

Hello all,
Is there a JAWS script for JAWS2022 that one knows of to have JAWS
announce each letter phonetically as they type? I have a student who
is looking for this and I know that this functionality is not
currently supported.
Thank you in advance for any responses.


--
Shai Wolman
Wolman Assistive
(619)894-6587
An accessibility services company providing training to children and adults!
To get in touch or for more information, please visit my website at
wolmanassistive.com





moderated Re: PDFs constantly crashing

Joe
 

I have this problem as well using Fusion 2022 and Windows 10. The only work around that I have had some success with is using the Ctrl + s command after each item that I input which does not crash the Adobe Reader program.
Joe

Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer
Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT
Phone: 616.951.2142

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie Vegiard
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: PDFs constantly crashing

Yes, I am using the Adobe acrobat DC reader. And I can begin to fill out the forms, just somewhere through the process it will crash. Usually I am alt tabbing back-and-forth to other documents which is giving me the information I need to fill out the form, and after a bunch of alt tabs the PDF will crash.

On Apr 8, 2022, at 9:34 AM, Michael Mote <miketmote73@...> wrote:

Hi there. Are you using the Adobe DC reader when filling out the PDF's? If not, I would certainly try that. Also, I would check and see if your Adobe reader security settings allow you to edit PDF's. You may want to check that under preferences.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie
Vegiard
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 7:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: PDFs constantly crashing

Good morning everyone,
I am having lots of trouble trying to do any kind of fillable PDF with jaws. I’ve listen to Freedom scientific‘s webinars, and I’m not seeing any reference to this issue. But every time I try to fill out a PDF, at some point through the process, the whole thing crashes and I lose everything. Is it just not possible to do fillable PDFs with Jaws? I have tried on various computers and usually try with the most updated version of fusion, although the one I have at work right now is fusion 2020 because I am still waiting for my workplace to get me the upgrade to 2022. But even at home with my fusion 2022 I still have this issue.

Thank you, Bonnie Vegiard










moderated Re: PDFs constantly crashing

Bonnie Vegiard
 

Yes, I am using the Adobe acrobat DC reader. And I can begin to fill out the forms, just somewhere through the process it will crash. Usually I am alt tabbing back-and-forth to other documents which is giving me the information I need to fill out the form, and after a bunch of alt tabs the PDF will crash.

On Apr 8, 2022, at 9:34 AM, Michael Mote <miketmote73@...> wrote:

Hi there. Are you using the Adobe DC reader when filling out the PDF's? If not, I would certainly try that. Also, I would check and see if your Adobe reader security settings allow you to edit PDF's. You may want to check that under preferences.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie Vegiard
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 7:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: PDFs constantly crashing

Good morning everyone,
I am having lots of trouble trying to do any kind of fillable PDF with jaws. I’ve listen to Freedom scientific‘s webinars, and I’m not seeing any reference to this issue. But every time I try to fill out a PDF, at some point through the process, the whole thing crashes and I lose everything. Is it just not possible to do fillable PDFs with Jaws? I have tried on various computers and usually try with the most updated version of fusion, although the one I have at work right now is fusion 2020 because I am still waiting for my workplace to get me the upgrade to 2022. But even at home with my fusion 2022 I still have this issue.

Thank you, Bonnie Vegiard










moderated Re: PDFs constantly crashing

Michael Mote
 

Hi there. Are you using the Adobe DC reader when filling out the PDF's? If not, I would certainly try that. Also, I would check and see if your Adobe reader security settings allow you to edit PDF's. You may want to check that under preferences.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie Vegiard
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 7:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: PDFs constantly crashing

Good morning everyone,
I am having lots of trouble trying to do any kind of fillable PDF with jaws. I’ve listen to Freedom scientific‘s webinars, and I’m not seeing any reference to this issue. But every time I try to fill out a PDF, at some point through the process, the whole thing crashes and I lose everything. Is it just not possible to do fillable PDFs with Jaws? I have tried on various computers and usually try with the most updated version of fusion, although the one I have at work right now is fusion 2020 because I am still waiting for my workplace to get me the upgrade to 2022. But even at home with my fusion 2022 I still have this issue.

Thank you, Bonnie Vegiard


moderated PDFs constantly crashing

Bonnie Vegiard
 

Good morning everyone,
I am having lots of trouble trying to do any kind of fillable PDF with jaws. I’ve listen to Freedom scientific‘s webinars, and I’m not seeing any reference to this issue. But every time I try to fill out a PDF, at some point through the process, the whole thing crashes and I lose everything. Is it just not possible to do fillable PDFs with Jaws? I have tried on various computers and usually try with the most updated version of fusion, although the one I have at work right now is fusion 2020 because I am still waiting for my workplace to get me the upgrade to 2022. But even at home with my fusion 2022 I still have this issue.

Thank you, Bonnie Vegiard


moderated Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I'm not hearing that at all, so something odd is going on here.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: 07 April 2022 17:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google
chrome browser.

hmmm,, I hear the letter a when loading chrome but it actually isn't there.
I paste my link in and chrome goes to the link with no problem. so its my
guess that jaws is speaking a ghost letter, lol!


Legend has it that on Wednesday 4/6/2022 07:43 PM, Albert Cutolo said:
----------------------------------------

Good evening everyone,



When I go into my google chrome's address bar too type a search, there
is a letter a that comes up which I can't get rid of, even when I try
using the delete key on my dell laptop computer. No matter how many
times I try deleting that a letter, its still appears. I've gone into
the settings for chrome, deleted history, cash cookies and passwords
and also did a clear all data. How can I get rid of that a letter?



Thanks for any and all suggestions and advice,



Al
----------------------------------------


moderated Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

Steve Nutt
 

That’s where Braille is so much better than speech in my view, there is so much more information, like layout etc, that you miss with speech.

 

Even spellings get missed, I saw on a list that someone today was asking about the Cardio scales. In fact it is not Cardio with a C, it is Qardio with a Q. They missed that, because of speech, but I knew it because of Braille.

 

Long live Braille!

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: 07 April 2022 14:51
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

 

I’m surprised that anyone would discourage JAWS users from taking advantage of the dictionary. One reason, as Karen says, is that JAWS can pump incorrect pronunciations into our heads that are difficult to remove, such as unusual names. I also find that, because I have JAWS set to a relatively high speed, I’m accustomed to ignoring words I don’t hear clearly, especially when I’m skimming. Often it’s because JAWS and/or my synthesizer is mispronouncing them. Not good for reading comprehension.

 

Beyond that, if you read for pleasure and the texts are difficult, mispronunciations make them that much harder and detract from your appreciation.

 

--

My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

 

Hi Mike and others,

Thank you so much for answering my question. I knew there was a way, but couldn’t remember it.

 

Normally I don’t change things either, but this one really stood out as odd. And I’ve noticed that I’ve been pronouncing names of people the way Jaws says them. That causes some to look at me funny, like who are you talking about. I thought if I fixed some of them, I would say their names correctly.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

 

You want to modify the Jaws dictionary.  If you only want to change the pronunciation of this word while in a specific program try the following.

1. Open the specific app / program and press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary for this app / program.

 

2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open.  You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is. 

 

3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.

 

4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar.

 

4. Now press, Control + S, to save and, Alt + F4, to close.

 

If you want this dictionary change to be in effect for all programs do it this way:

 

1. Press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary, then press, Control, Shift + D, to open the Jaws default dictionary.

 

2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open.  You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is. 

 

3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.

 

4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 6:00 PM

Subject: changing how jaws speaks a word

 

Hi,

I was reading about the Great Lakes.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes

 

I was going through by headings and one of them is sewage, which if you are listening to this you will discover it is pronounced incorrectly. It should be sueage, or that is as close as I can get to it. How do I change how Jaws speaks this word to speak it correctly? Also, when there are updates will it keep it?

 

Karen

 

 

 


moderated Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Mike,

I don't know, but the dictionary file for JAWS is a *.JDF file.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: 07 April 2022 12:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

Steve

Thanks for that reminder; and this certainly complicates things and
strengthens my belief that, in most instances, one is better off leaving
well enough alone.

Presumably, since JAWS has a dictionary, there are words already in it.
Is there a way to bring up a list (or a readable file containing them) so
one could study what modifications have been implemented?
In the old Window-eyes, one could do this seeing what words had changes
made, what the changes looked like, and one could quickly add words or
phrases to be modified and saved.


On Thu, 7 Apr 2022, Steve Nutt wrote:

But remember, it's not the screen reader that initially pronounces the
word wrong, it's the synthesiser.

Sometimes, if you change synth, you will get a correct pronunciation.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: 07 April 2022 10:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

Brian makes a great point here.

Initially, I was much like Karen upset when a word was mispronounced
expecting a screen reader to be a perfect speaker of the English
language and my version of the English language, namely USA English.
Then, something else struck me.

From a practical standpoint, I am the only listener of my screen reader.
As long as I am the only listener/reader, as long as I know what it is
trying to say, that's all that matters.
Now, if the way it says something might confuse me, certainly, work on
a change.
And, as Brian suggests, it may not be as simple as one expects to
accomplish the fix.

And, of course, we have words in English that are spelled the same but
are pronounced quite differently given the context.
Example, the word spelled W I N D which could have a log or short "letter
i"
sound given the meaning.
You are never going to be able to fix that totally.

JFW is a tool, not the perfect ennunciator of a language. As long as
you knows what it means, that's what matters. If anything, be more
concerned that you spell things correctly, especially if what you are
preparing needs to be understood by someone else as a reader not using
JFW or another screen reader.


On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Brian Vogel wrote:

I want to add one thing to Mike B's excellent instructions, and that
is
you may want to consider playing with the "how you want it to be
pronounced by JAWS" spelling options in something like Notepad so that
you can listen to what your "interesting spellings" will actually
sound like when JAWS reads them.

There's sometimes a significant amount of trial and error coming up
with
an alternate phonetic spelling that actually gets read the way you
want it to.  But after you have that pronunciation nailed, then use
that spelling in the replacement.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Friendship. . . Intimacy, untroubled by eros.*

~ Kim Chernin

















moderated JAWS phonetic announcement as one types

Shai
 

Hello all,
Is there a JAWS script for JAWS2022 that one knows of to have JAWS
announce each letter phonetically as they type? I have a student who
is looking for this and I know that this functionality is not
currently supported.
Thank you in advance for any responses.


--
Shai Wolman
Wolman Assistive
(619)894-6587
An accessibility services company providing training to children and adults!
To get in touch or for more information, please visit my website at
wolmanassistive.com


moderated Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.

Lori Lynn
 

Brian,

 

I too encounter the “A” regularly. Since it doesn’t affect the address, I’m typing I’ve chosen to ignore it. After reading the message below I did ask someone to take a look and see if the mysterious A was there or not. It definitely is not.

 

Right or wrong, the conclusion I’ve drawn is that it has something to do with either JAWS or Chrome coding. As I said, it doesn’t affect what I’m typing so I’m going to ignore it.

 

Lori Lynn

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 11:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: An anoying letter that comes up in the address bar of Google chrome browser.

 

I am seriously wondering whether this is a bug in Google Chrome or something else.

If the character were "actually there" (and I am NOT saying you're not having it announced) it should screw up what you're typing were it to be included in the URL, and I doubt it would necessarily be selected by default.

For those of you who may have sighted assistants available, ask them whether the letter you're hearing is actually visible in the address bar.  It would be interesting to know if it is actually something that can be seen or some weird artifact of the interaction between screen reader and Google Chrome.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

Bill White
 

Hi, Brian. I didn't mean that having the correct spelling of the word would cause the synthesizer to pronounce the word correctly. What I meant is that having the correct spelling of the word could clarify what the word is when the synthesizer mispronounces the word. Your example proves my point. If you go over the word, letter by letter, and see cups, it will clarify that the word in context isn't Cuban Pesos.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 3:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 06:05 PM, Bill White wrote:

having the spelling of a word or name won't guarantee that you will get the correct pronunciation correctly

-
That's for sure.  Even for simple words, like, "cup," you can get some interesting results.

I remember working on a recipe card where, when you put in 2 cups flour, you got, "two Cuban pesos flour."  However, just changing the 'c' on "cup" to a capital made the synth say "cup."

The mysteries of how and when certain pronunciation choices get made, and when certain things are interpreted as abbreviations versus words, are deep.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 06:05 PM, Bill White wrote:
having the spelling of a word or name won't guarantee that you will get the correct pronunciation correctly
-
That's for sure.  Even for simple words, like, "cup," you can get some interesting results.

I remember working on a recipe card where, when you put in 2 cups flour, you got, "two Cuban pesos flour."  However, just changing the 'c' on "cup" to a capital made the synth say "cup."

The mysteries of how and when certain pronunciation choices get made, and when certain things are interpreted as abbreviations versus words, are deep.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: how do shortcut

 

Use the "Pin to Start" context menu option when you have the executable you want added to the Start Menu selected.  Those are added to the main body of the Start menu, not in the alphabetical apps list.  If you want it in the alphabetical apps list, then see:  https://www.thewindowsclub.com/pin-portable-apps-to-the-start-menu-in-windows-10 

I'm not at all clear what you mean by "all I do to go down click what I want."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

Bill White
 

Hi, Mike. No, having the spelling of a word or name won't guarantee that you
will get the correct pronunciation correctly, but JAWS butchers the
pronunciation of names which, if looked at as transcribed, are sometimes
easier to recognize. When spoken by JAWS, though, it may sound like a
different name altogether.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 2:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

Marty

(1) First, you can always check the spelling of a name or word both by
letter and phonetically.

(2) Just because you have the spelling of a name, you won't necessarily
pronounce it correctly.


moderated Re: changing how jaws speaks a word

Mike Pietruk
 

Marty

(1) First, you can always check the spelling of a name or word both by
letter and phonetically.

(2) Just because you have the spelling of a name, you won't necessarily
pronounce it correctly.

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