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moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hi,
What do you mean using the control and Alt keys to navigate? I've never done this before.

Sincerely,
Jasmine



"Blindness is not what defines me, yet there are many things that do."
—Jasmine Kotsay, 2007

----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...>
Date: Sunday, March 27, 2022 09:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Greetings:

I would add that ideally you want to use the Control Alt and arrow keys to move from one cell to the next within the table. This approach seems to work well for me at any rate.

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
I'm not sure if this will help, but I'll put it out there anyway. You don't want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine


On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:

I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: Navigating Groups.IO #jaws

 

 
 
Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive
The Group Topics/Archive page for this group is:  https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/topics

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moderated Re: What do JAWS script writers do?

Mark
 

I'm glad your response was shared Udo. I hope it gives food for thought.  Assuming the goals are to not slow down JAWS users and to ensure JAWS users enjoy the experience, is it possible for software developers to make applications that doesn't need JAWS scripters to do additional work? Or are there some things that application developers just can't do? 


moderated Navigating Groups.IO #jaws

ravi.pawa@...
 

Is there documentation on how to use groups.io using JAWS?


moderated Navigating Google News #jaws

ravi.pawa@...
 

Could someone help me with navigating google news. I used to be able to navigate using regions to jump between main and navigation region, but now that google has changed the navigation region into menus. So, when I choose “World” for instance and press Enter, I don’t know how to jump into main region and back.


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

 

I would add that ideally you want to use the Control Alt and arrow keys to move from one cell to the next within the table. This approach seems to work well for me at any rate.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

 

Hi,

I’m not sure if this will help, but I’ll put it out there anyway. You don’t want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine 



On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:



I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated. 

 

--

Marianne Denning, TVI, MA

Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired

(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Marianne Denning
 

Thank you. I will try that. I could always use the tab key in the past. The only time I didn’t use it was when I got to the last column and row.            

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

 

Hi,

I’m not sure if this will help, but I’ll put it out there anyway. You don’t want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine 



On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:



I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated. 

 

--

Marianne Denning, TVI, MA

Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired

(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hi,
I’m not sure if this will help, but I’ll put it out there anyway. You don’t want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine 

On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:


I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated. 

--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


moderated entering information in tables in Word

Marianne Denning
 

I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated. 

--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: What do JAWS script writers do?

Glenn / Lenny
 

It was a good read none the less.
I kept it for reference.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: What do JAWS script writers do?

Hi all, 

sorry, it was a mistake. The mail shouldn't go into this list. 
Udo 

Am 26.03.2022 um 16:23 schrieb Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io <udo.egnerwalter@...>:

Hi Mark, 

I think scripting an app depends on a lot of things. The first aspect is in which framework the app is made, for example is it made the old style in which every control have its handle, or is it a modern UWP app in which you can use UIA, or is it a web app in which you can use Freedom's 

Most of the apps today using UIA so I run a script listing all the UIA controls with properties. I have a first glance at the properties so I can write scripts to focus controls which are difficult to focus or not in the tab order. I will have a look at the tab order to find out if there are controls unreachable. 

And yes, there are applications out there which are difficult or sometimes impossible to script. An example of an app difficult to script was the Audible app from Microsoft Store (which is removed from the store). Normally it's easy to script the UWP apps from Microsoft store, at least they should. The problem here is that some developers don't name their controls or forget to name some UIA properties like AutomationID. In Audible's case there weren't enough properties filled with clear names so one couldn't focus them. I tried to go round this issue by counting the controls so I could make a script like "go to the 6th control after the control with AutomationID named xyz". 

Web apps are great to script since Google Chrome and Edge Chromium have the opportunity to use UIA and Freedom's domain specific scripting API. 

In the JAWS scripting list you asked if there were apps that don't need scripting: 

It depends on the expectations you have. Some users are happy if the can tab around the app, fill edits or press buttons. Other users want to do this quickly and need some more keystrokes to focus controls. Some people need to know the time display in a media player. others don't care about this. If I have an app without scripts I usually find some issues I want to script to be more effective. 

You can say the more complex an application is the more it need additional scripting. An app like Microsoft Word or a browser needs scripting as well to do the things efficient. 

I hope this answers your questions, let me know if you have more questions. 

Have a nice weekand
Udo 



Am 25.03.2022 um 02:52 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...>:

I was wondering if JAWS script writers could describe what they do? That's a bit vague.  Are you given an application that isn't very accessible, and then somehow have to figure out how to make it better? Are you given tasks that a user wants to complete and then figure out how to make just those tasks accessible?  Are some applications hopeless or can a script do anything? If you have an example, as a case study, that might help explain what's involved.



moderated Re: What do JAWS script writers do?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi all, 

sorry, it was a mistake. The mail shouldn't go into this list. 
Udo 

Am 26.03.2022 um 16:23 schrieb Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io <udo.egnerwalter@...>:

Hi Mark, 

I think scripting an app depends on a lot of things. The first aspect is in which framework the app is made, for example is it made the old style in which every control have its handle, or is it a modern UWP app in which you can use UIA, or is it a web app in which you can use Freedom's 

Most of the apps today using UIA so I run a script listing all the UIA controls with properties. I have a first glance at the properties so I can write scripts to focus controls which are difficult to focus or not in the tab order. I will have a look at the tab order to find out if there are controls unreachable. 

And yes, there are applications out there which are difficult or sometimes impossible to script. An example of an app difficult to script was the Audible app from Microsoft Store (which is removed from the store). Normally it's easy to script the UWP apps from Microsoft store, at least they should. The problem here is that some developers don't name their controls or forget to name some UIA properties like AutomationID. In Audible's case there weren't enough properties filled with clear names so one couldn't focus them. I tried to go round this issue by counting the controls so I could make a script like "go to the 6th control after the control with AutomationID named xyz". 

Web apps are great to script since Google Chrome and Edge Chromium have the opportunity to use UIA and Freedom's domain specific scripting API. 

In the JAWS scripting list you asked if there were apps that don't need scripting: 

It depends on the expectations you have. Some users are happy if the can tab around the app, fill edits or press buttons. Other users want to do this quickly and need some more keystrokes to focus controls. Some people need to know the time display in a media player. others don't care about this. If I have an app without scripts I usually find some issues I want to script to be more effective. 

You can say the more complex an application is the more it need additional scripting. An app like Microsoft Word or a browser needs scripting as well to do the things efficient. 

I hope this answers your questions, let me know if you have more questions. 

Have a nice weekand
Udo 



Am 25.03.2022 um 02:52 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...>:

I was wondering if JAWS script writers could describe what they do? That's a bit vague.  Are you given an application that isn't very accessible, and then somehow have to figure out how to make it better? Are you given tasks that a user wants to complete and then figure out how to make just those tasks accessible?  Are some applications hopeless or can a script do anything? If you have an example, as a case study, that might help explain what's involved.



moderated Re: What do JAWS script writers do?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Mark, 

I think scripting an app depends on a lot of things. The first aspect is in which framework the app is made, for example is it made the old style in which every control have its handle, or is it a modern UWP app in which you can use UIA, or is it a web app in which you can use Freedom's 

Most of the apps today using UIA so I run a script listing all the UIA controls with properties. I have a first glance at the properties so I can write scripts to focus controls which are difficult to focus or not in the tab order. I will have a look at the tab order to find out if there are controls unreachable. 

And yes, there are applications out there which are difficult or sometimes impossible to script. An example of an app difficult to script was the Audible app from Microsoft Store (which is removed from the store). Normally it's easy to script the UWP apps from Microsoft store, at least they should. The problem here is that some developers don't name their controls or forget to name some UIA properties like AutomationID. In Audible's case there weren't enough properties filled with clear names so one couldn't focus them. I tried to go round this issue by counting the controls so I could make a script like "go to the 6th control after the control with AutomationID named xyz". 

Web apps are great to script since Google Chrome and Edge Chromium have the opportunity to use UIA and Freedom's domain specific scripting API. 

In the JAWS scripting list you asked if there were apps that don't need scripting: 

It depends on the expectations you have. Some users are happy if the can tab around the app, fill edits or press buttons. Other users want to do this quickly and need some more keystrokes to focus controls. Some people need to know the time display in a media player. others don't care about this. If I have an app without scripts I usually find some issues I want to script to be more effective. 

You can say the more complex an application is the more it need additional scripting. An app like Microsoft Word or a browser needs scripting as well to do the things efficient. 

I hope this answers your questions, let me know if you have more questions. 

Have a nice weekand
Udo 



Am 25.03.2022 um 02:52 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...>:

I was wondering if JAWS script writers could describe what they do? That's a bit vague.  Are you given an application that isn't very accessible, and then somehow have to figure out how to make it better? Are you given tasks that a user wants to complete and then figure out how to make just those tasks accessible?  Are some applications hopeless or can a script do anything? If you have an example, as a case study, that might help explain what's involved.


moderated Re: Key strokes for Zoom

Ann Byrne
 

Which version of JAWS do you have? The volume commands are in JAWS 2021 and the splitting with the headset is 2022.

At 07:56 PM 3/25/2022, you wrote:
I must be doing something wrong. I can get the sound and it announces volume
dialog box, but then it is like it is not there and I'm back where I was
before I did it.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Key strokes for Zoom

Yes.

1. Press insert+spacebar; JAWS will make a click sound.
2. Press the letter v. This opens a volume dialog.
3. To change the JAWS volume, press the letter j and up arrow for louder and
down arrow for softer.
4. To change the zoom volume, after v press s for system; then up arrow for
louder or down arrow for softer.At 01:30 PM 3/25/2022, you wrote:
5. When the volume is where you want it, press enter.

If you are running JAWS2022 with a stereo headset, you can have JAWS in one
ear and zoom in the other.

1. Press insert+spacebar.
Press the letter v.
3. Press the letter b.
4. right arrow to hear zoom in the right ear or left arrow to hear it in the
left. Zoom will be in the other ear.2.









moderated Re: Key strokes for Zoom

Karen Reynolds
 

I must be doing something wrong. I can get the sound and it announces volume
dialog box, but then it is like it is not there and I'm back where I was
before I did it.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Key strokes for Zoom

Yes.

1. Press insert+spacebar; JAWS will make a click sound.
2. Press the letter v. This opens a volume dialog.
3. To change the JAWS volume, press the letter j and up arrow for louder and
down arrow for softer.
4. To change the zoom volume, after v press s for system; then up arrow for
louder or down arrow for softer.At 01:30 PM 3/25/2022, you wrote:
5. When the volume is where you want it, press enter.

If you are running JAWS2022 with a stereo headset, you can have JAWS in one
ear and zoom in the other.

1. Press insert+spacebar.
Press the letter v.
3. Press the letter b.
4. right arrow to hear zoom in the right ear or left arrow to hear it in the
left. Zoom will be in the other ear.2.


moderated Netbeans

Peter Donahue
 

Hello again everyone,

 

                What has been everyone’s experience with Netbeans another Java IDE. I took a Java class in the early 2000s. The IDE we used worked very well with Jaws. If that IDE was Netbeans it worked quite well. It was my mind that was having trouble grasping some programming concepts not the IDE in question that made me give up. I wish I knew if that IDE was Netbeans or another Java IDE. Once the Java JDK17 is installed and running I’ll need to give Netbeans a test drive in the hopes it was the one I used back when I took the Java classes.  Your experiences with Netbeans will be very much appreciated.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 


moderated Re: Key strokes for Zoom

Ann Byrne
 

There are at least two open zoom screens, maybe three. You have to be in zoom, on the one that says "zoom meeting" for alt-a to work.

At 12:33 PM 3/25/2022, you wrote:

Hi Curtis,



The other day I used alt A to turn off mute. It didn't get turned off.



Bill stated a version of Zoom in his email. Do some people setup a Zoom meeting that have different versions where the key strokes will not work?



Cheers,



Kevin

Nothing happens.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Key strokes for Zoom



Hello Kevin:



The keystroke is Alt with h to get you into the Chat area.



Cordially,



Curtis Chong



From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io <<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 9:59 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Key strokes for Zoom





Hello, I have a list of key strokes for using Zoom. The list doesn't have a key stroke to put me in the chat box. Is there a key stroke to make this happen?

Cheers,

Kevin




moderated Re: Key strokes for Zoom

Ann Byrne
 

Yes.

1. Press insert+spacebar; JAWS will make a click sound.
2. Press the letter v. This opens a volume dialog.
3. To change the JAWS volume, press the letter j and up arrow for louder and down arrow for softer.
4. To change the zoom volume, after v press s for system; then up arrow for louder or down arrow for softer.At 01:30 PM 3/25/2022, you wrote:
5. When the volume is where you want it, press enter.

If you are running JAWS2022 with a stereo headset, you can have JAWS in one ear and zoom in the other.

1. Press insert+spacebar.
Press the letter v.
3. Press the letter b.
4. right arrow to hear zoom in the right ear or left arrow to hear it in the left. Zoom will be in the other ear.2.


moderated Re: Screen Reader-Friendly IDES for C++, Java And Python

Zachary Morris
 

Notepad++ is also a very viable option. I will agree with you that NVDA may be a better screen reader for most coding tasks, though most things should work with both screen readers. I recommended Visual Studio Code both because it is very lightweight, with a lot of things you can add to it in the form of extensions, plus decent accessibility. Like I said, though, both can do the job. It's personal preference.

On 3/25/2022 3:33 PM, Karina Castro wrote:

Hello, I recommend Visual Code too, I have used it for Javascript. So in this momment I am making a course of Python from Cisco and I only use Notepad++ together with Python 3.8. Also I feel it's better NVDA than JAWS for encoding.


Whatever, you can try with VS studio because I have alot of friends that just use it for programming with alot of languages like C, C++, Python, Swift,  Javascript and many more.



El 25/3/2022 a las 13:54, Zachary Morris escribió:
As far as Python, I'm going to recommend Visual Studio Code, since that's very accessible. C++ might also work with that as well. Now, with Java, unfortunately, the most popular one is Eclipse, since it has all the stuff that makes Java code run, but I could be completely wrong.

On Mar 25, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
 
                I’m looking for screen reader-friendly ides for programming with C++, Java and Python. I want to find out what blind programmers are using these days. Your suggestions will be very helpful.
 
Peter Donahue
 
 

-- 
Salu2, Kari


moderated Re: Screen Reader-Friendly IDES for C++, Java And Python

Karina Castro
 

Hello, I recommend Visual Code too, I have used it for Javascript. So in this momment I am making a course of Python from Cisco and I only use Notepad++ together with Python 3.8. Also I feel it's better NVDA than JAWS for encoding.


Whatever, you can try with VS studio because I have alot of friends that just use it for programming with alot of languages like C, C++, Python, Swift,  Javascript and many more.



El 25/3/2022 a las 13:54, Zachary Morris escribió:
As far as Python, I'm going to recommend Visual Studio Code, since that's very accessible. C++ might also work with that as well. Now, with Java, unfortunately, the most popular one is Eclipse, since it has all the stuff that makes Java code run, but I could be completely wrong.

On Mar 25, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
 
                I’m looking for screen reader-friendly ides for programming with C++, Java and Python. I want to find out what blind programmers are using these days. Your suggestions will be very helpful.
 
Peter Donahue
 
 

-- 
Salu2, Kari


moderated Re: voice changing

Nermin
 

Hi rick,


you somehow must have changed the synthesiser for the desktop.

As far as I remember, the desktop has a different file associated with it as far as JAWS configuration is concerned.


To remedy this, with Eloquence speaking, pres CONTROL+JAWSKey+s to bring up the voice profile dialogue.

Next, tab to where it says "for Windows oS". This should read "Eloquence".

Change the synthesizer to standard, which should be your Triple Talk synthesizer.

Press enter, and all should be OK now.


Regards,

Nermin

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