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Re: Setting up Outlook 2010

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Viewing the email in a browser, press alt H + A + V.


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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Dale Reardon
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:53 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Setting up Outlook 2010

Hi,



I am using the latest JFW13 and Outlook 2010 on a 64 bit system.



What settings / changes should I make to get Outlook working the best?



I am having problems viewing HTML emails. On my old computer I had setup a
couple of keystrokes (toolbar I think) to transfer a message to view it in
internet explorer but I can't remember how to set this up again. Can
someone tell me?



Thanks,

Dale.





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Re: Setting up Outlook 2010

Cristóbal
 

There's no real "fix", but you can view html messages by openning the email
and pressing alt+h, then a and finally v.

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On Behalf Of Dale Reardon
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:53 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Setting up Outlook 2010

Hi,



I am using the latest JFW13 and Outlook 2010 on a 64 bit system.



What settings / changes should I make to get Outlook working the best?



I am having problems viewing HTML emails. On my old computer I had setup a
couple of keystrokes (toolbar I think) to transfer a message to view it in
internet explorer but I can't remember how to set this up again. Can
someone tell me?



Thanks,

Dale.





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Setting up Outlook 2010

Dale Reardon <dale@...>
 

Hi,



I am using the latest JFW13 and Outlook 2010 on a 64 bit system.



What settings / changes should I make to get Outlook working the best?



I am having problems viewing HTML emails. On my old computer I had setup a
couple of keystrokes (toolbar I think) to transfer a message to view it in
internet explorer but I can't remember how to set this up again. Can
someone tell me?



Thanks,

Dale.





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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

northstar1950@...
 

very strange, this message didn't have anything concerning research-it, lol! for my two cents, research-it should have never been added to jaws. its a waste of code.


Legend has it that on Saturday 4/28/2012 05:44 PM, Chris Smart said:
----------------------------------------
heh that's not what Brandon wants. But, it's good enough for the rest of us. :)

At 03:58 PM 4/28/2012, you wrote:
Sony Laptops allow the display to be turned off. It may cost more to delete
the display rather leave it on. My Laptop allow me to turn the display down
very low, but I cannot turn it off.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon,

I'm afraid that you sound like you have tunnel vision. Why would anyone with
eyesight give up having a screen? It's impractical. That's the most
efficient method they have for receiving information from the computer, via
their eyes.

Constraining them to a non-visual output format similar to what we use is
just butting your head against common sense.

Of course I wouldn't disagree that a laptop without a display would be
lighter weight, less energy-consuming, and simpler, but the market for that
device would be prohibitively small.

Why not just purchase a cheap laptop yourself and remove the cover/display?
I'm sure they can be removed somehow.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 14:52
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
The Human wear products and FS products are not laptops by any stretch of
the imagination.
Perhaps when you can download programs and drivers on the cloud then run
them on those note-takers you can call them Laptops. But frankly I only get
a fraction of the functionality I get from a laptop on any Note taker.
Perhaps a phone will be better, but again, it only has 2 gigs of ram if that
and I really like my speed.
My screen costs a huge amount, adds to the weight and requires all kinds of
stuff that I just don't want to give.
I once gave a speech on how useless and how many negative things happen when
you have a computer screen, including the fact that so many people get
tendinitis from using the mouse and not moving their hands around the
keyboard like we do.
The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was: "But I like
my screen..."
If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens on
every computer!
And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility. The
screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document and
for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of other
issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to help and just
randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able to
get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or so I
was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It worked fine
since I have no use for it, but there were times where my sighted wife was
pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light trying to make out
whatever error message or some other diagnostic text she could. There were
some stressful times in deed and even though I in theory didn't need the
screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have some
way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just makes
this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and useless to the
majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display or
glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then we have
something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a storefront, and want
to look up something. I face the window glass, and the glass becomes opaque
enough to display what the handheld keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a
person wearing eyeglasses could have the image showing on the inside of
their lens. What a concept, and that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a nearby
surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud, and
saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models, however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Wonderf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-1000000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that, Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday, April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

heh that's not what Brandon wants. But, it's good enough for the rest of us. :)

At 03:58 PM 4/28/2012, you wrote:
Sony Laptops allow the display to be turned off. It may cost more to delete
the display rather leave it on. My Laptop allow me to turn the display down
very low, but I cannot turn it off.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon,

I'm afraid that you sound like you have tunnel vision. Why would anyone with
eyesight give up having a screen? It's impractical. That's the most
efficient method they have for receiving information from the computer, via
their eyes.

Constraining them to a non-visual output format similar to what we use is
just butting your head against common sense.

Of course I wouldn't disagree that a laptop without a display would be
lighter weight, less energy-consuming, and simpler, but the market for that
device would be prohibitively small.

Why not just purchase a cheap laptop yourself and remove the cover/display?
I'm sure they can be removed somehow.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 14:52
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
The Human wear products and FS products are not laptops by any stretch of
the imagination.
Perhaps when you can download programs and drivers on the cloud then run
them on those note-takers you can call them Laptops. But frankly I only get
a fraction of the functionality I get from a laptop on any Note taker.
Perhaps a phone will be better, but again, it only has 2 gigs of ram if that
and I really like my speed.
My screen costs a huge amount, adds to the weight and requires all kinds of
stuff that I just don't want to give.
I once gave a speech on how useless and how many negative things happen when
you have a computer screen, including the fact that so many people get
tendinitis from using the mouse and not moving their hands around the
keyboard like we do.
The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was: "But I like
my screen..."
If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens on
every computer!
And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility. The
screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document and
for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of other
issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to help and just
randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able to
get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or so I
was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It worked fine
since I have no use for it, but there were times where my sighted wife was
pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light trying to make out
whatever error message or some other diagnostic text she could. There were
some stressful times in deed and even though I in theory didn't need the
screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have some
way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just makes
this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and useless to the
majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display or
glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then we have
something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a storefront, and want
to look up something. I face the window glass, and the glass becomes opaque
enough to display what the handheld keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a
person wearing eyeglasses could have the image showing on the inside of
their lens. What a concept, and that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a nearby
surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud, and
saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you
are posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to
me that a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're
wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to
turn down the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth.
And if you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase
battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even
additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models,
however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can
use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm
using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen
brightness with the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full
day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into
the search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up
the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question
anywhere in the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Wonderf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior
searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-1000000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or
Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a
need to use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or
infamous) in the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for
someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have
to switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that
ought to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It
breaks down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that
I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be
different for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the
US will need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but
users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike
Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the
city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for
the days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague,
Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed
by the word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed
by a colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it
automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond
that, Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from
having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem.
For my test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and
the examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested
Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so
today's games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from
Monday, April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking
number of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the
information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other
functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: unknown function call

Roy Nickelson <roylee@...>
 

this is caused by 3hird party scripts that update the default scripts.
What third party scripts are you using?
If it is the skype scripts those shouldn't have the problem after initial
run of jaws.
Roy

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 5:32 PM
Subject: unknown function call


After I installed Jaws 13.0.852 I get
unknown function call to
getlistviewfieldinfo
I tried repair
then I removed Jaws 13 and re-installed from the Jaws website.
The problem persists.
What's this about, and how can I avoid it?
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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonboy13@...>
 

I have an Icon and I love it! But it's slow and I can't download anything that was not made for the Icon...
The Orion will be better, but it will have those horrible voices that sound like people...
Not like lovely Jaws/eloquence!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sherrer
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

The former Icon is a computer without a monitor that will fist in a large pocket. It is very good, but Levelstar must have had a sighted person decide to stop making that device even though sales were good. They hope to sell a cell phone with a braille display.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Hello,
Most sighted people I've interacted with are quite inefficient at both browsing websites, reading, navigating through the menus on the computer, typing and processing the directions on a page...
I'm sure part of it has to deal with the fact most of my friends aren’t computer programmers, but most people would rather click on the little box on the top right corner of their application that half of them can hardly see to change from one window to another. I can hit alt tab twice and start typing right away where as the sighted person would have to move their hand from the mouse to the keyboard, get oriented and start typing. I do grant that sight is really amazing at getting a view of something without all the details and reading headings very fast, but a competent Jaws user can navigate an accessible webpage as fast if not faster than a sighted person, especially if they know what they are looking for. (Sighted people often have the capability, but they would rather use their mouse instead of keyboard).
In reading large documents or webpages though, there is no sighted person I know that can thoroughly read 500+ words a minute for an hour or two.
With speech output you can probably get a device with the functionality of a computer into something that can fit into your pocket. I have very little understanding of computer hardware, so I'm not sure how wise it would be for me to build my own computer let alone sell them...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120416155558AAYamLO
Claims that the screen is around $200 and that is fore "a little netbook".
The larger laptops have more expensive screens.
I was on the phone for about 6 hours over a week long with HP trying to permanently disable my touchpad and the conclusion was that without changing the fundamental programming structure of my computer, there was no way to uninstall, disable or otherwise incapacitate my touchpad permanently. I'm not sure if HP would be able to assist me in removing my screen if they couldn't remove my touchpad.
I have constantly seen people who are totally deaf and blind to the world around them when using a phone with the screen. I have a small amount of vision and I'm able to navigate perfectly fine with ear buds in and my cane in one hand while operating my PDA with the other. I'm also able to constantly multitask with very little effort while I'm listening to a large block of text.
I'm sure if the sighted community was able to use and fully enjoy the benefits of what we use, they would find that audio has many more benefits than visual computer navigation and use. I do think that using sight for some things is necessary and important, but not enough to warrant every laptop to have a screen... People often ask me if I have special hearing or something. I tell them no, I actually have mediocre ears, I just use them.
It would be interesting to officially compare a sighted person's speed in navigating and using a computer with sight and a mouse to a blind person's navigation with keyboard and speakers. I'm sure the results would be enlightening to say the least.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon,

I'm afraid that you sound like you have tunnel vision. Why would anyone with eyesight give up having a screen? It's impractical. That's the most efficient method they have for receiving information from the computer, via their eyes.

Constraining them to a non-visual output format similar to what we use is just butting your head against common sense.

Of course I wouldn't disagree that a laptop without a display would be lighter weight, less energy-consuming, and simpler, but the market for that device would be prohibitively small.

Why not just purchase a cheap laptop yourself and remove the cover/display?
I'm sure they can be removed somehow.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 14:52
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
The Human wear products and FS products are not laptops by any stretch of
the imagination.
Perhaps when you can download programs and drivers on the cloud then run
them on those note-takers you can call them Laptops. But frankly I only get
a fraction of the functionality I get from a laptop on any Note taker.
Perhaps a phone will be better, but again, it only has 2 gigs of ram if that
and I really like my speed.
My screen costs a huge amount, adds to the weight and requires all kinds of
stuff that I just don't want to give.
I once gave a speech on how useless and how many negative things happen when
you have a computer screen, including the fact that so many people get
tendinitis from using the mouse and not moving their hands around the
keyboard like we do.
The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was: "But I like
my screen..."
If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens on
every computer!
And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility. The
screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document and
for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of other
issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to help and just
randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able to
get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or so I
was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It worked fine
since I have no use for it, but there were times where my sighted wife was
pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light trying to make out
whatever error message or some other diagnostic text she could. There were
some stressful times in deed and even though I in theory didn't need the
screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have some
way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just makes
this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and useless to the
majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display or
glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then we have
something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a storefront, and want
to look up something. I face the window glass, and the glass becomes opaque
enough to display what the handheld keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a
person wearing eyeglasses could have the image showing on the inside of
their lens. What a concept, and that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a nearby
surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud, and
saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models, however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Wonderf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-1000000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that, Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday, April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

John ESherrer
 

The former Icon is a computer without a monitor that will fist in a large pocket. It is very good, but Levelstar must have had a sighted person decide to stop making that device even though sales were good. They hope to sell a cell phone with a braille display.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Hello,
Most sighted people I've interacted with are quite inefficient at both browsing websites, reading, navigating through the menus on the computer, typing and processing the directions on a page...
I'm sure part of it has to deal with the fact most of my friends aren’t computer programmers, but most people would rather click on the little box on the top right corner of their application that half of them can hardly see to change from one window to another. I can hit alt tab twice and start typing right away where as the sighted person would have to move their hand from the mouse to the keyboard, get oriented and start typing. I do grant that sight is really amazing at getting a view of something without all the details and reading headings very fast, but a competent Jaws user can navigate an accessible webpage as fast if not faster than a sighted person, especially if they know what they are looking for. (Sighted people often have the capability, but they would rather use their mouse instead of keyboard).
In reading large documents or webpages though, there is no sighted person I know that can thoroughly read 500+ words a minute for an hour or two.
With speech output you can probably get a device with the functionality of a computer into something that can fit into your pocket. I have very little understanding of computer hardware, so I'm not sure how wise it would be for me to build my own computer let alone sell them...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120416155558AAYamLO
Claims that the screen is around $200 and that is fore "a little netbook".
The larger laptops have more expensive screens.
I was on the phone for about 6 hours over a week long with HP trying to permanently disable my touchpad and the conclusion was that without changing the fundamental programming structure of my computer, there was no way to uninstall, disable or otherwise incapacitate my touchpad permanently. I'm not sure if HP would be able to assist me in removing my screen if they couldn't remove my touchpad.
I have constantly seen people who are totally deaf and blind to the world around them when using a phone with the screen. I have a small amount of vision and I'm able to navigate perfectly fine with ear buds in and my cane in one hand while operating my PDA with the other. I'm also able to constantly multitask with very little effort while I'm listening to a large block of text.
I'm sure if the sighted community was able to use and fully enjoy the benefits of what we use, they would find that audio has many more benefits than visual computer navigation and use. I do think that using sight for some things is necessary and important, but not enough to warrant every laptop to have a screen... People often ask me if I have special hearing or something. I tell them no, I actually have mediocre ears, I just use them.
It would be interesting to officially compare a sighted person's speed in navigating and using a computer with sight and a mouse to a blind person's navigation with keyboard and speakers. I'm sure the results would be enlightening to say the least.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon,

I'm afraid that you sound like you have tunnel vision. Why would anyone with eyesight give up having a screen? It's impractical. That's the most efficient method they have for receiving information from the computer, via their eyes.

Constraining them to a non-visual output format similar to what we use is just butting your head against common sense.

Of course I wouldn't disagree that a laptop without a display would be lighter weight, less energy-consuming, and simpler, but the market for that device would be prohibitively small.

Why not just purchase a cheap laptop yourself and remove the cover/display?
I'm sure they can be removed somehow.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 14:52
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
The Human wear products and FS products are not laptops by any stretch of
the imagination.
Perhaps when you can download programs and drivers on the cloud then run
them on those note-takers you can call them Laptops. But frankly I only get
a fraction of the functionality I get from a laptop on any Note taker.
Perhaps a phone will be better, but again, it only has 2 gigs of ram if that
and I really like my speed.
My screen costs a huge amount, adds to the weight and requires all kinds of
stuff that I just don't want to give.
I once gave a speech on how useless and how many negative things happen when
you have a computer screen, including the fact that so many people get
tendinitis from using the mouse and not moving their hands around the
keyboard like we do.
The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was: "But I like
my screen..."
If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens on
every computer!
And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility. The
screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document and
for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of other
issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to help and just
randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able to
get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or so I
was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It worked fine
since I have no use for it, but there were times where my sighted wife was
pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light trying to make out
whatever error message or some other diagnostic text she could. There were
some stressful times in deed and even though I in theory didn't need the
screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have some
way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just makes
this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and useless to the
majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display or
glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then we have
something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a storefront, and want
to look up something. I face the window glass, and the glass becomes opaque
enough to display what the handheld keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a
person wearing eyeglasses could have the image showing on the inside of
their lens. What a concept, and that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a nearby
surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud, and
saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models, however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Wonderf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-1000000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that, Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday, April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

John ESherrer
 

Sony Laptops allow the display to be turned off. It may cost more to delete
the display rather leave it on. My Laptop allow me to turn the display down
very low, but I cannot turn it off.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon,

I'm afraid that you sound like you have tunnel vision. Why would anyone with
eyesight give up having a screen? It's impractical. That's the most
efficient method they have for receiving information from the computer, via
their eyes.

Constraining them to a non-visual output format similar to what we use is
just butting your head against common sense.

Of course I wouldn't disagree that a laptop without a display would be
lighter weight, less energy-consuming, and simpler, but the market for that
device would be prohibitively small.

Why not just purchase a cheap laptop yourself and remove the cover/display?
I'm sure they can be removed somehow.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 14:52
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
The Human wear products and FS products are not laptops by any stretch of
the imagination.
Perhaps when you can download programs and drivers on the cloud then run
them on those note-takers you can call them Laptops. But frankly I only get
a fraction of the functionality I get from a laptop on any Note taker.
Perhaps a phone will be better, but again, it only has 2 gigs of ram if that
and I really like my speed.
My screen costs a huge amount, adds to the weight and requires all kinds of
stuff that I just don't want to give.
I once gave a speech on how useless and how many negative things happen when
you have a computer screen, including the fact that so many people get
tendinitis from using the mouse and not moving their hands around the
keyboard like we do.
The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was: "But I like
my screen..."
If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens on
every computer!
And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility. The
screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document and
for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of other
issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to help and just
randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able to
get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or so I
was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It worked fine
since I have no use for it, but there were times where my sighted wife was
pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light trying to make out
whatever error message or some other diagnostic text she could. There were
some stressful times in deed and even though I in theory didn't need the
screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have some
way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just makes
this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and useless to the
majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display or
glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then we have
something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a storefront, and want
to look up something. I face the window glass, and the glass becomes opaque
enough to display what the handheld keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a
person wearing eyeglasses could have the image showing on the inside of
their lens. What a concept, and that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a nearby
surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud, and
saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models, however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Wonderf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-1000000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that, Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday, April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

John ESherrer
 

Laptops have a RGB or DVI jack on them, so you can add a monitor. Dell
laptops allow the monitor to be turned off if an external monitor is added,
and you can turn both monitors off. But Dell does not offer a button to
turn off a laptop. My wife, who is sighted, has a Sony Laptop with a button
to turn off the monitor, whicdh she never uses.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document and
for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of other
issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to help and just
randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able to
get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or so I
was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It worked fine
since I have no use for it, but there were times where my sighted wife was
pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light trying to make out
whatever error message or some other diagnostic text she could. There were
some stressful times in deed and even though I in theory didn't need the
screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have some
way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just makes
this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and useless to the
majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display or
glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then we have
something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a storefront, and want
to look up something. I face the window glass, and the glass becomes opaque
enough to display what the handheld keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a
person wearing eyeglasses could have the image showing on the inside of
their lens. What a concept, and that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a nearby
surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud, and
saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models, however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Wonderf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-1000000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that, Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday, April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Omission in FS Reader?

Gary King
 

Steve,
I normally don't post a suggestion unless I have tested it first. I dislike reading messages that say something like, " I think this will work." Since I don't have a document for testing though, I will just say try JAWS Key F7. It works for links in MS Word just like it does in Internet browsers, so maybe it will work in FS Reader as well.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: "jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 2:49 PM
Subject: Omission in FS Reader?


Before I turn something into a support ticket that oughtn't be, can
someone please tell me, is there a key you can press within FSReader
that will launch a URL embedded in the documentation? I was just going
through some FS training material using FSReader yesterday and found a
couple links I wanted to activate. I thought it would be a simple
thing, possibly as simple as just pressing ENTER when JAWS told me I
was positioned on the link. After all, it did say "link" when it found
one, so I thought it was reasonable to assume ... Well, you know what
happens when you do that, right? I pressed ENTER and got a beep! I
then tried right-clicking on the link, thinking maybe there was a
drop-down context menu, maybe activate, copy to clipboard, create
shortcut maybe even, ... none of it! My last resort, of course, was to
just plain left-click on the thing, and that launched it.

I then went back to read the "Getting Started with FSReader," thinking
I'd missed something about activating embedded links, but I sure
didn't find anything in there about it.

Is this a bug or a feature?

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Re: Kindle for PC

Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonboy13@...>
 

Hello,
There is an accessible Kindle that stinks but is accessible in the menus with Jaws. You need to download the accessible Kindle for PC. But if I were you I would use the Kindle to HTML converter:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/Kindle%20converter.zip
Just open this link, click save, and go into that folder and open the instructions that are in a text file.
Don't use that kindle to PC in there, use this one:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14968661/KindleForPC-installerNew.exe
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs

-----Original Message-----
From: TeddyBear
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:53 PM
To: JFW
Subject: Kindle for PC

Hello:

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the software for kindle books called Kindle for PC.

It is a free software to download but doesn't seem to be JAWS friendly. When you download it, it appears that there is a sample document in there to read, but I only knew this because someone sighted told me so.

If anyone has any experience or knows about any scripts for this, and would like to share, I'd really appretiate it. I would like to test this system of access before actually buying a Kindle device.

Take Care:

Thanks in advance

Chris
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Listening skills

bob mathews <bmathews@...>
 

Hi Ted and others,
Listening skills is very much needed for ham radio weak sigs. Above 50mhz
using CW SSB
as well as performing music. I am a active ham, worship leader (singer) ,
and use JAWS for all my computer work.
BOB K8TQK

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 08:26
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Listening is an acquired skill,, and, maybe, something of an aptitude as
well. Musicians (not just blind musicians) train themselves to hear, and
react to, nuance and subtle change. I can name a bunch of them, both known
and unknown, who became successful amateur radio operators, a process which,
until recently, involved the acquisition of at least basic code skills.
While I know other blind musicians, and other blind hams,, and some
musicians who are also hams, I have never seen evidence that our percentages
in these two groups exceed those of the general population.

Ted


Re: Omission in FS Reader?

Soronel Haetir
 

Just as a question did you try the space-bar? That would have been my
first guess but I don't have any daisy files that I know are formatted
with embedded links handy to try it out on.

On 4/27/12, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Before I turn something into a support ticket that oughtn't be, can
someone please tell me, is there a key you can press within FSReader
that will launch a URL embedded in the documentation? I was just going
through some FS training material using FSReader yesterday and found a
couple links I wanted to activate. I thought it would be a simple
thing, possibly as simple as just pressing ENTER when JAWS told me I
was positioned on the link. After all, it did say "link" when it found
one, so I thought it was reasonable to assume ... Well, you know what
happens when you do that, right? I pressed ENTER and got a beep! I
then tried right-clicking on the link, thinking maybe there was a
drop-down context menu, maybe activate, copy to clipboard, create
shortcut maybe even, ... none of it! My last resort, of course, was to
just plain left-click on the thing, and that launched it.

I then went back to read the "Getting Started with FSReader," thinking
I'd missed something about activating embedded links, but I sure
didn't find anything in there about it.

Is this a bug or a feature?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Omission in FS Reader?

Cristóbal
 

I've never been able to activate links from within FS Reader either. Since
FS stopped developing it a while back, I figured it was just one of those
things that never got around to being addressed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:50 PM
To: jfw
Subject: Omission in FS Reader?

Before I turn something into a support ticket that oughtn't be, can someone
please tell me, is there a key you can press within FSReader that will
launch a URL embedded in the documentation? I was just going through some FS
training material using FSReader yesterday and found a couple links I wanted
to activate. I thought it would be a simple thing, possibly as simple as
just pressing ENTER when JAWS told me I was positioned on the link. After
all, it did say "link" when it found one, so I thought it was reasonable to
assume ... Well, you know what happens when you do that, right? I pressed
ENTER and got a beep! I then tried right-clicking on the link, thinking
maybe there was a drop-down context menu, maybe activate, copy to clipboard,
create shortcut maybe even, ... none of it! My last resort, of course, was
to just plain left-click on the thing, and that launched it.

I then went back to read the "Getting Started with FSReader," thinking I'd
missed something about activating embedded links, but I sure didn't find
anything in there about it.

Is this a bug or a feature?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Kindle for PC

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

it works well. Make sure you get the one with accessibility.

-----Original Message-----
From: TeddyBear
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 2:53 PM
To: JFW
Subject: Kindle for PC

Hello:

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the software for kindle books called Kindle for PC.

It is a free software to download but doesn't seem to be JAWS friendly. When you download it, it appears that there is a sample document in there to read, but I only knew this because someone sighted told me so.

If anyone has any experience or knows about any scripts for this, and would like to share, I'd really appretiate it. I would like to test this system of access before actually buying a Kindle device.

Take Care:

Thanks in advance

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Kindle for PC

TeddyBear
 

Hello:

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the software for kindle books called Kindle for PC.

It is a free software to download but doesn't seem to be JAWS friendly. When you download it, it appears that there is a sample document in there to read, but I only knew this because someone sighted told me so.

If anyone has any experience or knows about any scripts for this, and would like to share, I'd really appretiate it. I would like to test this system of access before actually buying a Kindle device.

Take Care:

Thanks in advance

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Omission in FS Reader?

Steve Matzura
 

Before I turn something into a support ticket that oughtn't be, can
someone please tell me, is there a key you can press within FSReader
that will launch a URL embedded in the documentation? I was just going
through some FS training material using FSReader yesterday and found a
couple links I wanted to activate. I thought it would be a simple
thing, possibly as simple as just pressing ENTER when JAWS told me I
was positioned on the link. After all, it did say "link" when it found
one, so I thought it was reasonable to assume ... Well, you know what
happens when you do that, right? I pressed ENTER and got a beep! I
then tried right-clicking on the link, thinking maybe there was a
drop-down context menu, maybe activate, copy to clipboard, create
shortcut maybe even, ... none of it! My last resort, of course, was to
just plain left-click on the thing, and that launched it.

I then went back to read the "Getting Started with FSReader," thinking
I'd missed something about activating embedded links, but I sure
didn't find anything in there about it.

Is this a bug or a feature?

Thanks in advance!


Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

dave grossoehme
 

Thanks for the idea Dave. Howaever, that's what I did.
Your Friend Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

How about disabling the UAK. I turned mine off very shortly after beginning
Windows 7 for the first time.

Otherwise, if repeatable, let FS know right away.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@cox.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 06:49
Subject: RE: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available


Good Morning: I see one major problem with this release of Jaws. When you
try and start the computer using Windows7 Professional with Ofice 10 you
can't get past the UAC. It doesn't make any difference whether you have
Jaws set to start automatically or start the program with your hotkey. The
bad thing about this is you don't hear anything but a beep. If you know
what is going on you can press the left arrow key and then the enter key or
the spacebar before Jaws can start. I wasn't sure what was going on so I
found a pair of eyes to check it out.
Your Friend Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

I will probably be able to install it on a new test PC soon. Win7 Enterprise
(joined to a Microsoft network domain), 64 bit with Office 2010. ATI video
card. This is in an environment where there has been a history of
significant problems with Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 (connected to an
Exchange server) with Windows 7. The last time JAWS worked well was with
Windows XP, Office 2003 and JAWS 8.


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