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Re: Omission in FS Reader?

Soronel Haetir
 

Just as a question did you try the space-bar? That would have been my
first guess but I don't have any daisy files that I know are formatted
with embedded links handy to try it out on.

On 4/27/12, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Before I turn something into a support ticket that oughtn't be, can
someone please tell me, is there a key you can press within FSReader
that will launch a URL embedded in the documentation? I was just going
through some FS training material using FSReader yesterday and found a
couple links I wanted to activate. I thought it would be a simple
thing, possibly as simple as just pressing ENTER when JAWS told me I
was positioned on the link. After all, it did say "link" when it found
one, so I thought it was reasonable to assume ... Well, you know what
happens when you do that, right? I pressed ENTER and got a beep! I
then tried right-clicking on the link, thinking maybe there was a
drop-down context menu, maybe activate, copy to clipboard, create
shortcut maybe even, ... none of it! My last resort, of course, was to
just plain left-click on the thing, and that launched it.

I then went back to read the "Getting Started with FSReader," thinking
I'd missed something about activating embedded links, but I sure
didn't find anything in there about it.

Is this a bug or a feature?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Omission in FS Reader?

Cristóbal
 

I've never been able to activate links from within FS Reader either. Since
FS stopped developing it a while back, I figured it was just one of those
things that never got around to being addressed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:50 PM
To: jfw
Subject: Omission in FS Reader?

Before I turn something into a support ticket that oughtn't be, can someone
please tell me, is there a key you can press within FSReader that will
launch a URL embedded in the documentation? I was just going through some FS
training material using FSReader yesterday and found a couple links I wanted
to activate. I thought it would be a simple thing, possibly as simple as
just pressing ENTER when JAWS told me I was positioned on the link. After
all, it did say "link" when it found one, so I thought it was reasonable to
assume ... Well, you know what happens when you do that, right? I pressed
ENTER and got a beep! I then tried right-clicking on the link, thinking
maybe there was a drop-down context menu, maybe activate, copy to clipboard,
create shortcut maybe even, ... none of it! My last resort, of course, was
to just plain left-click on the thing, and that launched it.

I then went back to read the "Getting Started with FSReader," thinking I'd
missed something about activating embedded links, but I sure didn't find
anything in there about it.

Is this a bug or a feature?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Kindle for PC

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

it works well. Make sure you get the one with accessibility.

-----Original Message-----
From: TeddyBear
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 2:53 PM
To: JFW
Subject: Kindle for PC

Hello:

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the software for kindle books called Kindle for PC.

It is a free software to download but doesn't seem to be JAWS friendly. When you download it, it appears that there is a sample document in there to read, but I only knew this because someone sighted told me so.

If anyone has any experience or knows about any scripts for this, and would like to share, I'd really appretiate it. I would like to test this system of access before actually buying a Kindle device.

Take Care:

Thanks in advance

Chris
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Kindle for PC

TeddyBear
 

Hello:

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the software for kindle books called Kindle for PC.

It is a free software to download but doesn't seem to be JAWS friendly. When you download it, it appears that there is a sample document in there to read, but I only knew this because someone sighted told me so.

If anyone has any experience or knows about any scripts for this, and would like to share, I'd really appretiate it. I would like to test this system of access before actually buying a Kindle device.

Take Care:

Thanks in advance

Chris
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Omission in FS Reader?

Steve Matzura
 

Before I turn something into a support ticket that oughtn't be, can
someone please tell me, is there a key you can press within FSReader
that will launch a URL embedded in the documentation? I was just going
through some FS training material using FSReader yesterday and found a
couple links I wanted to activate. I thought it would be a simple
thing, possibly as simple as just pressing ENTER when JAWS told me I
was positioned on the link. After all, it did say "link" when it found
one, so I thought it was reasonable to assume ... Well, you know what
happens when you do that, right? I pressed ENTER and got a beep! I
then tried right-clicking on the link, thinking maybe there was a
drop-down context menu, maybe activate, copy to clipboard, create
shortcut maybe even, ... none of it! My last resort, of course, was to
just plain left-click on the thing, and that launched it.

I then went back to read the "Getting Started with FSReader," thinking
I'd missed something about activating embedded links, but I sure
didn't find anything in there about it.

Is this a bug or a feature?

Thanks in advance!


Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

dave grossoehme
 

Thanks for the idea Dave. Howaever, that's what I did.
Your Friend Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

How about disabling the UAK. I turned mine off very shortly after beginning
Windows 7 for the first time.

Otherwise, if repeatable, let FS know right away.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@cox.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 06:49
Subject: RE: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available


Good Morning: I see one major problem with this release of Jaws. When you
try and start the computer using Windows7 Professional with Ofice 10 you
can't get past the UAC. It doesn't make any difference whether you have
Jaws set to start automatically or start the program with your hotkey. The
bad thing about this is you don't hear anything but a beep. If you know
what is going on you can press the left arrow key and then the enter key or
the spacebar before Jaws can start. I wasn't sure what was going on so I
found a pair of eyes to check it out.
Your Friend Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

I will probably be able to install it on a new test PC soon. Win7 Enterprise
(joined to a Microsoft network domain), 64 bit with Office 2010. ATI video
card. This is in an environment where there has been a history of
significant problems with Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 (connected to an
Exchange server) with Windows 7. The last time JAWS worked well was with
Windows XP, Office 2003 and JAWS 8.


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Re: highlighted text

George Marshall
 

Ed:
Thanks for the paste special tip, I never thought of using it.
George R. Marshall
marshall.geoma4@gmail.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: highlighted text


Hi Ed,

About Paste Special. I've always used paste as unformatted text, as I
didn't know what unicode text meant. Maybe that's what put highlighting
into the document. Thanks for yet another tip.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Client sent document with the statement, "Note the highlighted language. We
need to discuss."
So, this was someone telling me they had highlighted something.
Without that, I wouldn't know unless I turned on the "colors" scheme in
JAWS.
I think you are seeing highlighting in documents that you and/or others may
have edited -- without necessarily mentioning that there is highlighting.
I guess that means you have to read everything initially with "colors"
scheme, or in the alternative, just check using the search technique I
mentioned -- though that is pretty awkward. You might try a Word macro.
Also, one source of "stuff" like this is copying and pasting. I always
paste from other documents using "paste special," using Unicode text.
That way you get the text and nothing but the text.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Hi Ed,

So, how did you know your document had the same problem in the first place?
Do you typically use the attributes and colors scheme just to be sure? I
guess my question is since I've never known about this before, how do you
know about it in the first place? I'm thinking, since this is an imprtant
document template, it might e best to check that Highlight combo box and set
it to none before typing anything. That at least might prevent the problem.

Thanks.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


By the way,
I just had a document with exactly the same problem. I followed the steps I
outlined for you, and it worked like a charm.
One thing to remember. If you do the search for "highlighting," be sure to
turn it off.
Otherwise, the next time you look for a string of text, Word will look for
both the string and the highlighting. You turn off the search for
highlighting the same way I described how to turn it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Ed,

This sounds very promising. Your description makes sense, even if I don't
know how highlighting got applied in the first place. On my next file, I
will see what the default settings are on that toolbar as the document
template loads. You might have just nailed this nasty problem.

I'll let you know ...

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in
yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb
here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces
a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color
change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for
review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this
seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps
just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include
"yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the
"highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't
work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a
different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green
or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose
"none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted"
text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess
what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check
with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item,
select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As
you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

epierce@...
 

The difference is that in the XP/Vista era, there was no serious challenge to the MS development platform, and there was no iPad.

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:33:43 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>)
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

I remember them saying the same about XP and Vista, and we all see
where that went.

At least in the US there are also serious legal reasons to maintain
physical control over your storage media. And I don't see the courts
willing to make a change on that front any time soon.

On 4/26/12, epierce@surewest.net <epierce@surewest.net> wrote:
There are serious voices in the tech industry that are predicting
Microsoft's demise. The analysis has shifted in the last year or so.
Windows8 is so f*d up that people are starting to wonder how long it will be
before some "disruptive" technology like cloud computing will cause
Microsoft's dominance of client computing (as a development platform) to
end.
...


Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I wouldn't take any bets one way or the other. I remember Lotus,
Ashton-Tate, and WordPerfect, three companies which set de facto
standards--'nuff said.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I remember them saying the same about XP and Vista, and we all see where
that went.

At least in the US there are also serious legal reasons to maintain
physical control over your storage media. And I don't see the courts
willing to make a change on that front any time soon.

On 4/26/12, epierce@surewest.net <epierce@surewest.net> wrote:
There are serious voices in the tech industry that are predicting
Microsoft's demise. The analysis has shifted in the last year or so.
Windows8 is so f*d up that people are starting to wonder how long it
will be before some "disruptive" technology like cloud computing will
cause Microsoft's dominance of client computing (as a development
platform) to end.

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:13:58 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of Steve Matzura
<number6@noisynotes.com>)
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Bottom line: You pays yer money, you takes yer chances.
No guarantees.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:55:05 -0400, you wrote:

this is a good point. it is buyer beware. how can we prevent this
from happening. there must be a way to protect ourselves. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


You wanna talk about spending money on upgrades and seemingly not
getting what I thought I'd paid for? Let's go back to Office 97,
shall we? In fact, let's go back to Windows XP and the egregious
upgrade path that finally led us to Windows 7, after a trip through
Vista Hell. Let's talk about an upgrade fee, not a new product
purchase fee, but an upgrade fee which was five times the original
cost of the product when I bought it when I wanted to upgrade my
FTP server to a version I found out to be totally and completely
inaccessible? JAWS is not the only thing in the world where you
pays yer money and you takes yer chances.
...


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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Listening is an acquired skill,, and, maybe, something of an aptitude as
well. Musicians (not just blind musicians) train themselves to hear,
and react to, nuance and subtle change. I can name a bunch of them,
both known and unknown, who became successful amateur radio operators, a
process which, until recently, involved the acquisition of at least
basic code skills. While I know other blind musicians, and other blind
hams,, and some musicians who are also hams, I have never seen evidence
that our percentages in these two groups exceed those of the general
population.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

As a sighted technician, I frequently find accessibility product
functions baffling. It is a simple matter of experience and habit. If I
was paid to learn access functions (beyond very basic stuff), I would.
Otherwise there is no incentive. I don't have much patience for stuff I
don't have to use.

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:21:23 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of Steve Matzura
<number6@noisynotes.com>)
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Comparing a sighted person's untrained capability / ability to do
anything with their ears would be like asking a 15-year-old to race
NASCAR! Of course they would fail miserably! We don't have what we have
because of biology; we have it because we've trained ourselves, been
coached by others, developed skills sighted people don't need (but, of
course, should have).
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Windows 8, Cloud Computing, Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Adrian Spratt
 

I agree, there's no reason to cast doubt on the need for JAWS to keep up
with developments in MS's Windows operating systems. However, law firms are
turning increasingly to cloud-based applications, where I, too, have
misgivings. Fortunately, Windows 8 is being touted as the first MS OS to
apply across platforms, and not just PCs. I know it is designed to work with
mobile phones, and I assume that means it will also handle cloud computing.
Despite the criticisms lobbed at FS and MS, many justified, they have
demonstrated their willingness to work together to make many MS applications
accessible. Considering Google's poor record with accessibility of its cloud
applications, this development with MS's Windows 8 is a reason to hope we
will gain greater access to the cloud.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I remember them saying the same about XP and Vista, and we all see where
that went.

At least in the US there are also serious legal reasons to maintain physical
control over your storage media. And I don't see the courts willing to make
a change on that front any time soon.

On 4/26/12, epierce@surewest.net <epierce@surewest.net> wrote: There are
serious voices in the tech industry that are predicting Microsoft's demise.
The analysis has shifted in the last year or so. Windows8 is so f*d up that
people are starting to wonder how long it will be before some "disruptive"
technology like cloud computing will cause Microsoft's dominance of client
computing (as a development platform) to end.

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:13:58 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of Steve Matzura
<number6@noisynotes.com>)
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Bottom line: You pays yer money, you takes yer chances. No guarantees.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:55:05 -0400, you wrote:

this is a good point. it is buyer beware. how can we prevent this from
happening. there must be a way to protect ourselves. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

You wanna talk about spending money on upgrades and seemingly not getting
what I thought I'd paid for? Let's go back to Office 97, shall we? In fact,
let's go back to Windows XP and the egregious upgrade path that finally led
us to Windows 7, after a trip through Vista Hell. Let's talk about an
upgrade fee, not a new product purchase fee, but an upgrade fee which was
five times the original cost of the product when I bought it when I wanted
to upgrade my FTP server to a version I found out to be totally and
completely inaccessible? JAWS is not the only thing in the world where you
pays yer money and you takes yer chances.
...


Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Soronel Haetir
 

I remember them saying the same about XP and Vista, and we all see
where that went.

At least in the US there are also serious legal reasons to maintain
physical control over your storage media. And I don't see the courts
willing to make a change on that front any time soon.

On 4/26/12, epierce@surewest.net <epierce@surewest.net> wrote:
There are serious voices in the tech industry that are predicting
Microsoft's demise. The analysis has shifted in the last year or so.
Windows8 is so f*d up that people are starting to wonder how long it will be
before some "disruptive" technology like cloud computing will cause
Microsoft's dominance of client computing (as a development platform) to
end.

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:13:58 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of Steve Matzura
<number6@noisynotes.com>)
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Bottom line: You pays yer money, you takes yer chances.
No guarantees.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:55:05 -0400, you wrote:

this is a good point. it is buyer beware. how can we prevent this from
happening. there must be a way to protect ourselves. karen

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


You wanna talk about spending money on upgrades and seemingly not
getting what I thought I'd paid for? Let's go back to Office 97, shall
we? In fact, let's go back to Windows XP and the egregious upgrade
path that finally led us to Windows 7, after a trip through Vista
Hell. Let's talk about an upgrade fee, not a new product purchase fee,
but an upgrade fee which was five times the original cost of the
product when I bought it when I wanted to upgrade my FTP server to a
version I found out to be totally and completely inaccessible? JAWS is
not the only thing in the world where you pays yer money and you takes
yer chances.
...


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Re: highlighted text

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Brilliant to have figured that one out.
I would have never guessed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Hi Ed

I found out where the highlighted text was coming from in my case. The
built-in app has a feature for inserting a text field for anything I can't
hear in a transcription. Little did I know, but that text field is in
yellow, and depending on how you exit it, the color can get drug along
outside of the field. Now I can at least watch for it.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Client sent document with the statement, "Note the highlighted language. We
need to discuss."
So, this was someone telling me they had highlighted something.
Without that, I wouldn't know unless I turned on the "colors" scheme in
JAWS.
I think you are seeing highlighting in documents that you and/or others may
have edited -- without necessarily mentioning that there is highlighting.
I guess that means you have to read everything initially with "colors"
scheme, or in the alternative, just check using the search technique I
mentioned -- though that is pretty awkward. You might try a Word macro.
Also, one source of "stuff" like this is copying and pasting. I always
paste from other documents using "paste special," using Unicode text.
That way you get the text and nothing but the text.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Hi Ed,

So, how did you know your document had the same problem in the first place?
Do you typically use the attributes and colors scheme just to be sure? I
guess my question is since I've never known about this before, how do you
know about it in the first place? I'm thinking, since this is an imprtant
document template, it might e best to check that Highlight combo box and set
it to none before typing anything. That at least might prevent the problem.

Thanks.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


By the way,
I just had a document with exactly the same problem. I followed the steps I
outlined for you, and it worked like a charm.
One thing to remember. If you do the search for "highlighting," be sure to
turn it off.
Otherwise, the next time you look for a string of text, Word will look for
both the string and the highlighting. You turn off the search for
highlighting the same way I described how to turn it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Ed,

This sounds very promising. Your description makes sense, even if I don't
know how highlighting got applied in the first place. On my next file, I
will see what the default settings are on that toolbar as the document
template loads. You might have just nailed this nasty problem.

I'll let you know ...

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in
yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb
here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces
a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color
change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for
review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this
seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps
just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include
"yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the
"highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't
work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a
different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green
or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose
"none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted"
text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess
what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check
with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item,
select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As
you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Re: highlighted text

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hi Ed

I found out where the highlighted text was coming from in my case. The
built-in app has a feature for inserting a text field for anything I can't
hear in a transcription. Little did I know, but that text field is in
yellow, and depending on how you exit it, the color can get drug along
outside of the field. Now I can at least watch for it.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Client sent document with the statement, "Note the highlighted language. We
need to discuss."
So, this was someone telling me they had highlighted something.
Without that, I wouldn't know unless I turned on the "colors" scheme in
JAWS.
I think you are seeing highlighting in documents that you and/or others may
have edited -- without necessarily mentioning that there is highlighting.
I guess that means you have to read everything initially with "colors"
scheme, or in the alternative, just check using the search technique I
mentioned -- though that is pretty awkward. You might try a Word macro.
Also, one source of "stuff" like this is copying and pasting. I always
paste from other documents using "paste special," using Unicode text.
That way you get the text and nothing but the text.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Hi Ed,

So, how did you know your document had the same problem in the first place?
Do you typically use the attributes and colors scheme just to be sure? I
guess my question is since I've never known about this before, how do you
know about it in the first place? I'm thinking, since this is an imprtant
document template, it might e best to check that Highlight combo box and set
it to none before typing anything. That at least might prevent the problem.

Thanks.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


By the way,
I just had a document with exactly the same problem. I followed the steps I
outlined for you, and it worked like a charm.
One thing to remember. If you do the search for "highlighting," be sure to
turn it off.
Otherwise, the next time you look for a string of text, Word will look for
both the string and the highlighting. You turn off the search for
highlighting the same way I described how to turn it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Ed,

This sounds very promising. Your description makes sense, even if I don't
know how highlighting got applied in the first place. On my next file, I
will see what the default settings are on that toolbar as the document
template loads. You might have just nailed this nasty problem.

I'll let you know ...

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in
yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb
here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces
a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color
change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for
review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this
seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps
just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include
"yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the
"highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't
work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a
different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green
or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose
"none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted"
text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess
what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check
with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item,
select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As
you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

epierce@...
 

There are serious voices in the tech industry that are predicting Microsoft's demise. The analysis has shifted in the last year or so. Windows8 is so f*d up that people are starting to wonder how long it will be before some "disruptive" technology like cloud computing will cause Microsoft's dominance of client computing (as a development platform) to end.

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:13:58 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com>)
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Bottom line: You pays yer money, you takes yer chances.
No guarantees.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:55:05 -0400, you wrote:

this is a good point. it is buyer beware. how can we prevent this from
happening. there must be a way to protect ourselves. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


You wanna talk about spending money on upgrades and seemingly not
getting what I thought I'd paid for? Let's go back to Office 97, shall
we? In fact, let's go back to Windows XP and the egregious upgrade
path that finally led us to Windows 7, after a trip through Vista
Hell. Let's talk about an upgrade fee, not a new product purchase fee,
but an upgrade fee which was five times the original cost of the
product when I bought it when I wanted to upgrade my FTP server to a
version I found out to be totally and completely inaccessible? JAWS is
not the only thing in the world where you pays yer money and you takes
yer chances.
...


Re: Is Research It really necessary?

epierce@...
 

As a sighted technician, I frequently find accessibility product functions baffling. It is a simple matter of experience and habit. If I was paid to learn access functions (beyond very basic stuff), I would. Otherwise there is no incentive. I don't have much patience for stuff I don't have to use.

---- Original message ----
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:21:23 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com>)
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Comparing a sighted person's untrained capability / ability to do
anything with their ears would be like asking a 15-year-old to race
NASCAR! Of course they would fail miserably! We don't have what we
have because of biology; we have it because we've trained ourselves,
been coached by others, developed skills sighted people don't need
(but, of course, should have).
...


Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Steve Matzura
 

Comparing a sighted person's untrained capability / ability to do
anything with their ears would be like asking a 15-year-old to race
NASCAR! Of course they would fail miserably! We don't have what we
have because of biology; we have it because we've trained ourselves,
been coached by others, developed skills sighted people don't need
(but, of course, should have). Listening, just like playing piano, is
just a trainable skill. Some of us are obviously more talented at it
than others, but the bottom line here is, it's something that can be
learned, and it's a blind person's most valuable tool, and many of us
hone it to a fine point.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:51:24 -0700, you wrote:

Hello,
Most sighted people I've interacted with are quite inefficient at both
browsing websites, reading, navigating through the menus on the computer,
typing and processing the directions on a page...
I'm sure part of it has to deal with the fact most of my friends aren’t
computer programmers, but most people would rather click on the little box
on the top right corner of their application that half of them can hardly
see to change from one window to another. I can hit alt tab twice and start
typing right away where as the sighted person would have to move their hand
from the mouse to the keyboard, get oriented and start typing. I do grant
that sight is really amazing at getting a view of something without all the
details and reading headings very fast, but a competent Jaws user can
navigate an accessible webpage as fast if not faster than a sighted person,
especially if they know what they are looking for. (Sighted people often
have the capability, but they would rather use their mouse instead of
keyboard).
In reading large documents or webpages though, there is no sighted person I
know that can thoroughly read 500+ words a minute for an hour or two.
With speech output you can probably get a device with the functionality of a
computer into something that can fit into your pocket. I have very little
understanding of computer hardware, so I'm not sure how wise it would be for
me to build my own computer let alone sell them...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120416155558AAYamLO
Claims that the screen is around $200 and that is fore "a little netbook".
The larger laptops have more expensive screens.
I was on the phone for about 6 hours over a week long with HP trying to
permanently disable my touchpad and the conclusion was that without changing
the fundamental programming structure of my computer, there was no way to
uninstall, disable or otherwise incapacitate my touchpad permanently. I'm
not sure if HP would be able to assist me in removing my screen if they
couldn't remove my touchpad.
I have constantly seen people who are totally deaf and blind to the world
around them when using a phone with the screen. I have a small amount of
vision and I'm able to navigate perfectly fine with ear buds in and my cane
in one hand while operating my PDA with the other. I'm also able to
constantly multitask with very little effort while I'm listening to a large
block of text.
I'm sure if the sighted community was able to use and fully enjoy the
benefits of what we use, they would find that audio has many more benefits
than visual computer navigation and use. I do think that using sight for
some things is necessary and important, but not enough to warrant every
laptop to have a screen... People often ask me if I have special hearing or
something. I tell them no, I actually have mediocre ears, I just use them.
It would be interesting to officially compare a sighted person's speed in
navigating and using a computer with sight and a mouse to a blind person's
navigation with keyboard and speakers. I'm sure the results would be
enlightening to say the least.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Brandon,

I'm afraid that you sound like you have tunnel vision. Why would anyone with
eyesight give up having a screen? It's impractical. That's the most
efficient method they have for receiving information from the computer, via
their eyes.

Constraining them to a non-visual output format similar to what we use is
just butting your head against common sense.

Of course I wouldn't disagree that a laptop without a display would be
lighter weight, less energy-consuming, and simpler, but the market for that
device would be prohibitively small.

Why not just purchase a cheap laptop yourself and remove the cover/display?
I'm sure they can be removed somehow.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 14:52
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
The Human wear products and FS products are not laptops by any stretch of
the imagination.
Perhaps when you can download programs and drivers on the cloud then run
them on those note-takers you can call them Laptops. But frankly I only get
a fraction of the functionality I get from a laptop on any Note taker.
Perhaps a phone will be better, but again, it only has 2 gigs of ram if that
and I really like my speed.
My screen costs a huge amount, adds to the weight and requires all kinds of
stuff that I just don't want to give.
I once gave a speech on how useless and how many negative things happen when
you have a computer screen, including the fact that so many people get
tendinitis from using the mouse and not moving their hands around the
keyboard like we do.
The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was: "But I like
my screen..."
If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens on
every computer!
And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility. The
screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document and
for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of other
issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to help and just
randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able to
get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or so I
was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It worked fine
since I have no use for it, but there were times where my sighted wife was
pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light trying to make out
whatever error message or some other diagnostic text she could. There were
some stressful times in deed and even though I in theory didn't need the
screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have some
way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just makes
this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and useless to the
majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display or
glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then we have
something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a storefront, and want
to look up something. I face the window glass, and the glass becomes opaque
enough to display what the handheld keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a
person wearing eyeglasses could have the image showing on the inside of
their lens. What a concept, and that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a nearby
surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud, and
saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models, however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Wonderf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-1000000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that, Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday, April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Steve Matzura
 

Bottom line: You pays yer money, you takes yer chances.
No guarantees.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:55:05 -0400, you wrote:

this is a good point. it is buyer beware. how can we prevent this from
happening. there must be a way to protect ourselves. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


You wanna talk about spending money on upgrades and seemingly not
getting what I thought I'd paid for? Let's go back to Office 97, shall
we? In fact, let's go back to Windows XP and the egregious upgrade
path that finally led us to Windows 7, after a trip through Vista
Hell. Let's talk about an upgrade fee, not a new product purchase fee,
but an upgrade fee which was five times the original cost of the
product when I bought it when I wanted to upgrade my FTP server to a
version I found out to be totally and completely inaccessible? JAWS is
not the only thing in the world where you pays yer money and you takes
yer chances.

Bash responsibly.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:49:29 -0400, you wrote:

Dave Johnston, I did not do research on comparison on programs because I
didn't know it was expected of me. nor do I think it is my job. if anyone
wants to know the difference between programs they have computers and they
can check it out themselves. there have been several emails by different
folks complaining about problems with the jaws upgrades. I think it is sad
that blind people have spent their money on these upgrades for jaws and
disappointed with bad upgrades. in my mind if you purchase an upgrade it
should work and be an improved version. it should not be with problems and
be of lesser quality. it has just left me to scratch my head and wonder
who
is stirring the ship. it is a free country and we are left to check out
the
competition as to what else is out there good luck with your research,
Karen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "JFW Mailing List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


Karen,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight
the comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price
difference)
and give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would
make sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post
in
a sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or
low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

I am sincerely interested. Thanks!

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

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Re: highlighted text

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hi Ed,

About Paste Special. I've always used paste as unformatted text, as I
didn't know what unicode text meant. Maybe that's what put highlighting
into the document. Thanks for yet another tip.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Client sent document with the statement, "Note the highlighted language. We
need to discuss."
So, this was someone telling me they had highlighted something.
Without that, I wouldn't know unless I turned on the "colors" scheme in
JAWS.
I think you are seeing highlighting in documents that you and/or others may
have edited -- without necessarily mentioning that there is highlighting.
I guess that means you have to read everything initially with "colors"
scheme, or in the alternative, just check using the search technique I
mentioned -- though that is pretty awkward. You might try a Word macro.
Also, one source of "stuff" like this is copying and pasting. I always
paste from other documents using "paste special," using Unicode text.
That way you get the text and nothing but the text.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Hi Ed,

So, how did you know your document had the same problem in the first place?
Do you typically use the attributes and colors scheme just to be sure? I
guess my question is since I've never known about this before, how do you
know about it in the first place? I'm thinking, since this is an imprtant
document template, it might e best to check that Highlight combo box and set
it to none before typing anything. That at least might prevent the problem.

Thanks.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


By the way,
I just had a document with exactly the same problem. I followed the steps I
outlined for you, and it worked like a charm.
One thing to remember. If you do the search for "highlighting," be sure to
turn it off.
Otherwise, the next time you look for a string of text, Word will look for
both the string and the highlighting. You turn off the search for
highlighting the same way I described how to turn it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Ed,

This sounds very promising. Your description makes sense, even if I don't
know how highlighting got applied in the first place. On my next file, I
will see what the default settings are on that toolbar as the document
template loads. You might have just nailed this nasty problem.

I'll let you know ...

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in
yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb
here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces
a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color
change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for
review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this
seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps
just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include
"yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the
"highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't
work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a
different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green
or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose
"none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted"
text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess
what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check
with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item,
select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As
you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Re: highlighted text

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Client sent document with the statement, "Note the highlighted language. We need to discuss."
So, this was someone telling me they had highlighted something.
Without that, I wouldn't know unless I turned on the "colors" scheme in JAWS.
I think you are seeing highlighting in documents that you and/or others may have edited -- without necessarily mentioning that there is highlighting.
I guess that means you have to read everything initially with "colors" scheme, or in the alternative, just check using the search technique I mentioned -- though that is pretty awkward. You might try a Word macro.
Also, one source of "stuff" like this is copying and pasting. I always paste from other documents using "paste special," using Unicode text.
That way you get the text and nothing but the text.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:51 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Hi Ed,

So, how did you know your document had the same problem in the first place?
Do you typically use the attributes and colors scheme just to be sure? I
guess my question is since I've never known about this before, how do you
know about it in the first place? I'm thinking, since this is an imprtant
document template, it might e best to check that Highlight combo box and set
it to none before typing anything. That at least might prevent the problem.

Thanks.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


By the way,
I just had a document with exactly the same problem. I followed the steps I
outlined for you, and it worked like a charm.
One thing to remember. If you do the search for "highlighting," be sure to
turn it off.
Otherwise, the next time you look for a string of text, Word will look for
both the string and the highlighting. You turn off the search for
highlighting the same way I described how to turn it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Ed,

This sounds very promising. Your description makes sense, even if I don't
know how highlighting got applied in the first place. On my next file, I
will see what the default settings are on that toolbar as the document
template loads. You might have just nailed this nasty problem.

I'll let you know ...

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in
yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb
here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces
a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color
change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for
review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this
seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps
just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include
"yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the
"highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't
work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a
different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green
or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose
"none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted"
text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess
what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check
with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item,
select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As
you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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