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Re: highlighted text

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hi Ed,

So, how did you know your document had the same problem in the first place?
Do you typically use the attributes and colors scheme just to be sure? I
guess my question is since I've never known about this before, how do you
know about it in the first place? I'm thinking, since this is an imprtant
document template, it might e best to check that Highlight combo box and set
it to none before typing anything. That at least might prevent the problem.

Thanks.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


By the way,
I just had a document with exactly the same problem. I followed the steps I
outlined for you, and it worked like a charm.
One thing to remember. If you do the search for "highlighting," be sure to
turn it off.
Otherwise, the next time you look for a string of text, Word will look for
both the string and the highlighting. You turn off the search for
highlighting the same way I described how to turn it on.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Ed,

This sounds very promising. Your description makes sense, even if I don't
know how highlighting got applied in the first place. On my next file, I
will see what the default settings are on that toolbar as the document
template loads. You might have just nailed this nasty problem.

I'll let you know ...

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in
yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb
here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces
a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color
change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for
review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this
seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps
just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include
"yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the
"highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't
work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a
different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green
or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose
"none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted"
text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess
what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check
with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item,
select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As
you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Re: highlighted text

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

By the way,
I just had a document with exactly the same problem. I followed the steps I outlined for you, and it worked like a charm.
One thing to remember. If you do the search for "highlighting," be sure to turn it off.
Otherwise, the next time you look for a string of text, Word will look for both the string and the highlighting. You turn off the search for highlighting the same way I described how to turn it on.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: highlighted text

Ed,

This sounds very promising. Your description makes sense, even if I don't
know how highlighting got applied in the first place. On my next file, I
will see what the default settings are on that toolbar as the document
template loads. You might have just nailed this nasty problem.

I'll let you know ...

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in
yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb
here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces
a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color
change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for
review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this
seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps
just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include
"yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the
"highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't
work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a
different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green
or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose
"none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted"
text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess
what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check
with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item,
select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As
you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Re: highlighted text

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Ed,

This sounds very promising. Your description makes sense, even if I don't
know how highlighting got applied in the first place. On my next file, I
will see what the default settings are on that toolbar as the document
template loads. You might have just nailed this nasty problem.

I'll let you know ...

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: highlighted text


Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in
yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb
here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces
a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color
change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for
review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this
seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps
just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include
"yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the
"highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't
work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a
different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green
or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose
"none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted"
text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess
what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check
with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item,
select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As
you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Re: JAWs and chating on Facebook...

Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

Well, why don't you use Skype to chat with your friends?
If you install Skypetalking , together with Skype , you will know who's on line.

Hope that helps.


Regards.
Angela from Italy.

Il 26/04/2012 18:52, jeff worthington ha scritto:
the only problem with m.facebook.com is that you don't know who is on
the chat and you can't chat with them it's only by messages but like I
said I don't think you can know who is on line. I could be wrong and I
hope I am because that sight works great.
Jeff

On 4/26/12, Angela Delicata<angeladelicata@email.it> wrote:
You may either connect your Skype to Facebook or you may use
m.facebook.com.

Hope that helps.
Angela from Italy.




Il 26/04/2012 00:08, jeff worthington ha scritto:
Hello all,
I have some questions about JAWS and facebook and if they were asked
befor I'm sorry. First, is there a way to chat on facebook with jaws?
I try but It seems impossable as I can't see the names of who is on
the chat and then I don't know when they answer me. With the old
facebook from a while ago I used to be able to chat but now they seem
to have made it impossable. Also, if not on the facebook page, is
there any way at all to be able to chat with my facebook friends?
Thanks
Jeff Worthington

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Re: jaws and facebook:

jeff worthington <jjwcristiano040106@...>
 

Not sure what it's called, saw it on the facebook page.

On 4/26/12, lauren <childress54@gmail.com> wrote:
Its not like that one called chitchat or something like that is it?


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Re: JAWs and chating on Facebook...

jeff worthington <jjwcristiano040106@...>
 

the only problem with m.facebook.com is that you don't know who is on
the chat and you can't chat with them it's only by messages but like I
said I don't think you can know who is on line. I could be wrong and I
hope I am because that sight works great.
Jeff

On 4/26/12, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@email.it> wrote:
You may either connect your Skype to Facebook or you may use
m.facebook.com.

Hope that helps.
Angela from Italy.




Il 26/04/2012 00:08, jeff worthington ha scritto:
Hello all,
I have some questions about JAWS and facebook and if they were asked
befor I'm sorry. First, is there a way to chat on facebook with jaws?
I try but It seems impossable as I can't see the names of who is on
the chat and then I don't know when they answer me. With the old
facebook from a while ago I used to be able to chat but now they seem
to have made it impossable. Also, if not on the facebook page, is
there any way at all to be able to chat with my facebook friends?
Thanks
Jeff Worthington

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Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

That'll be something to watch, as we have a 2010 rollout scheduled this
spring.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar,Thinking it's
Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:19 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

How about disabling the UAK. I turned mine off very shortly after
beginning Windows 7 for the first time.

Otherwise, if repeatable, let FS know right away.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@cox.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 06:49
Subject: RE: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available


Good Morning: I see one major problem with this release of Jaws. When
you
try and start the computer using Windows7 Professional with Ofice 10 you
can't get past the UAC. It doesn't make any difference whether you have
Jaws set to start automatically or start the program with your hotkey.
The
bad thing about this is you don't hear anything but a beep. If you know
what is going on you can press the left arrow key and then the enter key
or
the spacebar before Jaws can start. I wasn't sure what was going on so
I
found a pair of eyes to check it out.
Your Friend Dave


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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

I will probably be able to install it on a new test PC soon. Win7
Enterprise
(joined to a Microsoft network domain), 64 bit with Office 2010. ATI
video
card. This is in an environment where there has been a history of
significant problems with Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 (connected to an
Exchange server) with Windows 7. The last time JAWS worked well was with
Windows XP, Office 2003 and JAWS 8.


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Re: jaws and facebook:

lauren
 

Its not like that one called chitchat or something like that is it?


Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

Dave...
 

How about disabling the UAK. I turned mine off very shortly after beginning
Windows 7 for the first time.

Otherwise, if repeatable, let FS know right away.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@cox.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 06:49
Subject: RE: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available


Good Morning: I see one major problem with this release of Jaws. When you
try and start the computer using Windows7 Professional with Ofice 10 you
can't get past the UAC. It doesn't make any difference whether you have
Jaws set to start automatically or start the program with your hotkey. The
bad thing about this is you don't hear anything but a beep. If you know
what is going on you can press the left arrow key and then the enter key or
the spacebar before Jaws can start. I wasn't sure what was going on so I
found a pair of eyes to check it out.
Your Friend Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

I will probably be able to install it on a new test PC soon. Win7 Enterprise
(joined to a Microsoft network domain), 64 bit with Office 2010. ATI video
card. This is in an environment where there has been a history of
significant problems with Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 (connected to an
Exchange server) with Windows 7. The last time JAWS worked well was with
Windows XP, Office 2003 and JAWS 8.


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Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

dave grossoehme
 

Good Morning: I see one major problem with this release of Jaws. When you
try and start the computer using Windows7 Professional with Ofice 10 you
can't get past the UAC. It doesn't make any difference whether you have
Jaws set to start automatically or start the program with your hotkey. The
bad thing about this is you don't hear anything but a beep. If you know
what is going on you can press the left arrow key and then the enter key or
the spacebar before Jaws can start. I wasn't sure what was going on so I
found a pair of eyes to check it out.
Your Friend Dave

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On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:10 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS 13.0.852 Update Available

I will probably be able to install it on a new test PC soon. Win7 Enterprise
(joined to a Microsoft network domain), 64 bit with Office 2010. ATI video
card. This is in an environment where there has been a history of
significant problems with Outlook 2003, 2007 and 2010 (connected to an
Exchange server) with Windows 7. The last time JAWS worked well was with
Windows XP, Office 2003 and JAWS 8.


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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Of course it's myopic. Depriving sighted people of their easy access
makes about as much sense as asking us to give up the advances of the
past 30 years, and go back to using typewriters. The open market has
been blind folks' best friend, and open market PC's need screens in
order to sell.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

At 05:52 PM 4/25/2012, Brandon Said:

The only rebuttal sighted people were able to come up with was:
"But I like my screen..."
And you like your speech output. Do sighted people need it? Not really.
I honestly don't know what your point is here.

If I was Spock I'd say there was a serious problem with putting screens
on every computer!
You're part of a small minority who may not need a screen most of the
time. But lucky for the sighted majority, you aren't making decisions
that affect computing trends.

And it's because of screens that we don't have as much accessibility.
The screen is the source of most computer evils! :O :P
No, inattention to or ignorance of accessibility concerns on the part of
software developers cause our problems. Sorry for a bad pun, but I think
your thinking on this is miopic.


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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Amen! My monitor has helped get me out of trouble a time or two. I
can't see it, but am glad it's there!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:00 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Is Research It really necessary?

Not to mention those times where you're working on an important document
and for whatever reason Jaws isn't responding or there's some sort of
other issue with the computer where Narrator or NVDA isn't goiing to
help and just randomly closing windows and pressing buttons is not what
you want to do.
My old Toshiba laptop's screen gave out about 2 weeks before I was able
to get my new Windows 7 system and instead of forking out the $200.00 or
so I was quoted to replace the screen, I went without the screen. It
worked fine since I have no use for it, but there were times where my
sighted wife was pressed up against the laptop screen with a flash light
trying to make out whatever error message or some other diagnostic text
she could. There were some stressful times in deed and even though I in
theory didn't need the screen, it sure is helpful to have one for just
those occasions.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Soronel,

I'm skeptical that there will ever be such a machine. Point is, that the
mere fact of portability means that a sighted user will want to have
some way to see the display away from the desk, and not having one just
makes this a portable keyboard with a processor and memory -- and
useless to the majority of computer purchasers.

Now if there was a transmitter built in that would convert any display
or glass surface within 5 feet of the device into a display, well then
we have something phenomenal. Just think -- I'm standing near a
storefront, and want to look up something. I face the window glass, and
the glass becomes opaque enough to display what the handheld
keyboard/computer is showing. Hey, a person wearing eyeglasses could
have the image showing on the inside of their lens. What a concept, and
that makes sense now.

Not very useful to us, but perhaps the next logical step in portable
computers. The cloud connects to the device and the image shows on a
nearby surface.

Apple, are you listening? Steve Jobs is talking to you from the cloud,
and saying "Yes, Farfar has a great idea!"

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:36
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


I want to get rid of the screen for reasons of weight far more than
reasons of battery life at this point. Adding more batteries or
turning the screen down don't really solve that problem.

I am actually somewhat surprised that there doesn't seem to be a thin
battery powered computer with built-in keyboard that the manufacturer
expects to be used with an external display, which would basically be
a laptop without a screen.

Unfortunately, given how tablets seem to be the push of the future I
do not expect portable accessibility to improve over the near to
medium term.

On 4/25/12, Farfar, Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Brandon,

w/r your question on buying a laptop without a screen...if you are
posing
a

serious question and not just toying with Google, it occurs to me that
a
laptop without a screen would be one without a cover. If you're
wanting to
cut down on power consumption you do have the alternative to turn down
the
brightness, turn off Wi-Fi, and other things like Bluetooth. And if
you
want

longer operation, you can with some models like Dell purchase battery
packs

with more cells for greater capacity, and with Dell, even additional
battery

"slices" to insert/affix to increase even more. Not all models,
however.

The Dell Latitude D6xx series have a media slot that you can use for a
CD/DVD or remove it and add another battery. The E6520 I'm using has a
slice

battery you can connect to the docking area for additional life.

I can get over 10 hours with Wi-Fi and normal screen brightness with
the
9-cell battery and the additional slice. Enough for a full day's work
while

flying to Europe.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonboy13@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:40
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?


Hello,
Google can answer just about any question if you type it into the
search
box. It might not be by Google, but the results will bring up the best
results.
Just click on the first or second result and you have it!
Example:
Why is the sky blue?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html
How do you say dance in Italian
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&q=dance&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=e
n&tl
=it&sa=X&ei=jDGYT84GxJmJAvnk7NMP&ved=0CCoQrgYwAA#

The only question I haven't been able to find an answer to is:
Can I buy a laptop without a screen

For some reason no one seems to be asking that question anywhere in
the
world...
And if that's a dumb question:
What color are Dorothy's red shoes
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_were_Dorothy's_slippers_in_'The_Won
derf
ul_Wizard_of_Oz'

So any research function is mitigated by Google's superior searching
power.
What's the meaning of life?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life
4+9-100000000*2.48485921+0.000001*3^5(2*5.09876)-(5.0129)
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=837&bih=443&q=4%2B9-100000000*2.
4848
5921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&oq=4%2B9-100
0000
00*2.48485921%2B0.000001*3+square+root+5%282*5.09876%29-%285.0129%29&aq=
f&aq
i=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.3...20649.20838.0.21686.2.2.0.0.0.0.183.342.0j
2.2.
0.Q6z3iZmw3jw

Sooo, unless research it is better than Google calculator or Microsoft
calculator, I think it's totally useless. I've never found a need to
use
it.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Farfar,Thinking it's Time for a Long Vacation
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Adrian,

Bravo! And I see that Chris Smart made you famous (or infamous) in
the
eyes
of FS. Amazing what tools we have out there, just waiting for someone
dedicated to discover, organize, and share. Thanks. I may have to
switch
my
default home page to Google instead of Yahoo.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:14
Subject: Is Research It really necessary?


I recently came across a list of Google search suggestions that ought
to
save JAWS users from getting agitated every time Research It breaks
down,
as
it invariably does. Below is a list of search functions that I've just
tested. I am based in the US, so some suggestions will be different
for
versions of Google in other countries. For example, we in the US will
need
to add a state or country after the place name "London," but users of
Google.co.uk won't when searching for the capital. Unlike Research It,
google isn't US-centric.

1. To find the weather in a particular location, type the city's name
followed by the word "weather." Thus:

san francisco weather

Note. I avoid using uppercase when doing Google searches.

the first Google result lists today's conditions and those for the
days
upcoming.

Here are the terms I entered to find out the weather in Prague, Czech
Republic:

prague czech weather

2. Time works in much the same way. Type the location followed by the
word
"time" (not in quotations). Thus:

san francisco time

3. For a word's definition, type the word "definition" followed by a
colon
and immediately by the word in question. Thus:

definition:arbitrary

An advantage google has is that if you misspell a word, it
automatically
offers a correction.

4. For currency conversion, the crucial word is "in." Beyond that,
Google
is
flexible. I obtained conversions for the following search terms:

$1 in sterling

1 eur in usd

These are just two examples.

5. Google will perform math operations, thus saving you from having to
open
a calculator. The article gave as an example a sine problem. For my
test,
I
typed the following in the search field:

(2+3)*5

Google promptly reported the correct answer, 25.

6. As for sports, the article's author is based in India, and the
examples
he gave involved cricket. Through a bit of tweaking, I tested Google's
ability to produce baseball results. The terms

baseball scores

produced all of yesterday's results. It's morning here, so today's
games
haven't been played.

Note. The list of results I got begins with one result from Monday,
April
23. A glitch, but a tiny one.

7. I know from past experience that entering just the tracking number
of a
UPS shipment in the google search field will provide the information I
need,
although I add "ups" as a second term to make sure.

This list is hardly exhaustive. Other simple searches for other
functions
can be interpolated from these examples.

Conclusion, and relevancy to this JAWS list: FS should divert its
resources
from Research It to applications needed for the workplace.
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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Karen Hughes <khughes8@...>
 

this is a good point. it is buyer beware. how can we prevent this from happening. there must be a way to protect ourselves. karen

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


You wanna talk about spending money on upgrades and seemingly not
getting what I thought I'd paid for? Let's go back to Office 97, shall
we? In fact, let's go back to Windows XP and the egregious upgrade
path that finally led us to Windows 7, after a trip through Vista
Hell. Let's talk about an upgrade fee, not a new product purchase fee,
but an upgrade fee which was five times the original cost of the
product when I bought it when I wanted to upgrade my FTP server to a
version I found out to be totally and completely inaccessible? JAWS is
not the only thing in the world where you pays yer money and you takes
yer chances.

Bash responsibly.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:49:29 -0400, you wrote:

Dave Johnston, I did not do research on comparison on programs because I
didn't know it was expected of me. nor do I think it is my job. if anyone
wants to know the difference between programs they have computers and they
can check it out themselves. there have been several emails by different
folks complaining about problems with the jaws upgrades. I think it is sad
that blind people have spent their money on these upgrades for jaws and
disappointed with bad upgrades. in my mind if you purchase an upgrade it
should work and be an improved version. it should not be with problems and
be of lesser quality. it has just left me to scratch my head and wonder who
is stirring the ship. it is a free country and we are left to check out the
competition as to what else is out there good luck with your research, Karen


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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


Karen,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight
the comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference)
and give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would
make sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post in
a sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

I am sincerely interested. Thanks!

Dave Carlson
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Re: highlighted text

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Jean:
Dave is correct. The sighted world will often refer to something that is in yellow as being highlighted. Nevertheless, I am going to go out on a limb here because what has happened to you has happened to me too.
In Word 2003 there is an obscure function called highlighting which produces a color change but, in fact, isn't, in the world of Word, a font color change at all.
Do this:
Press ALT.
Then press control plus tap several times -- until JAWS says "display for review"
This is the tool bar that lets you "accept" and "reject" text. I know this seems like an unlikely place for "highlighting," but trust me this far.
Now, hit tab about 7 times (shift plus tab is closer, but I think it helps just to hear all the options on this tool bar.
If you get past "comments," the tool bar item you want is next.
This tool bar item is, in fact, called "highlighting."
Use down arrow. The first option is "none." Other options include "yellow," "red," and "green."
Now, you know where the culprit is, how do you get rid of the "highlighting?"
Remember, this is technically not a font change, so control plus d won't work.
As Dave said, use the scheme "Colors" and identify the text that is in a different color. Usually, it is "yellow, but as you saw, it could be green or red too.
Once it is "selected," go into the tool bar item I mentioned and choose "none."
That will solve your problem. No more highlighting!
Now, you ask, "Do I have to read every line to find this "highlighted" text."
Actually, you can search for it.
Press control plus f.
Make sure nothing is in the search box. Press back space just to be sure.
Then, tab forward until you hear "more." Hit the space bar.
Now, keep tabbing until you hear "format."
This lets you search for all sorts of formatting stuff, including, guess what, "highlighting"
Hit down arrow until you hear "highlighting."
Complete the search. That should put you on the proper text. Double check with the cursor and the "colors" scheme, as mentioned above.
Again, as mentioned above, "select" the text and, from the tool bar item, select "none."
Repeat the find operation with shift plus F-4 to find other occurrences.
Do not feel bad that you didn't know about this "highlighting" feature. As you can see from the above, it is pretty obscure.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:08 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: highlighted text

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word, etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set to read text and attributes.

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Re: JAWs and chating on Facebook...

Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

You may either connect your Skype to Facebook or you may use m.facebook.com.

Hope that helps.
Angela from Italy.

Il 26/04/2012 00:08, jeff worthington ha scritto:
Hello all,
I have some questions about JAWS and facebook and if they were asked
befor I'm sorry. First, is there a way to chat on facebook with jaws?
I try but It seems impossable as I can't see the names of who is on
the chat and then I don't know when they answer me. With the old
facebook from a while ago I used to be able to chat but now they seem
to have made it impossable. Also, if not on the facebook page, is
there any way at all to be able to chat with my facebook friends?
Thanks
Jeff Worthington

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Re: highlighted text

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Thanks Dave,

I'll pass that along and inquire further.

Jean

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: highlighted text


Jean,

Ask them to be more specific. Some people say text if highlighted when it's
bold, or underlined, or italicized. Some call it highlighted when it's a
different color, or superscripted. Others call it correctly when the
background behind the text is different either in shading or color.

You should be able to detect highlighted text with colors and attributes
turned on.

I'm not on 2003 any more, but you may also want to go to Tools/Options and
on the edit page (I think) there are several checkboxes where you can have
hidden characters show, and highlighting may be there.

I'm rambling now, but there may also be something in the Settings Center for
JAWS under text where you need to turn on detecting highlights -- or is it
the Quick setting dialog?

Well, you have something to chew on now.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 21:08
Subject: highlighted text


Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Re: application specific changes

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Thanks Adrian,

I'll take a look at this again, but right now I need a break from this
beast. I bet you're right, and I'll give it a try tomorrow morning.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: application specific changes


Jean,

It's late and I can't double-check what I'm about to suggest. However, FS
made permanent punctuation settings more complex at some point, possibly in
JAWS 11. The only way is to create a voice profile, as follows.

Insert-j, which lands you on options. Press enter.

Arrow down once to "Voices." Press enter.

The first choice here is "Voice adjustment." Press enter.

From here, JAWS takes you through the creation of a voice profile, in which
you can identify the application, choose punctuation and more. Actually, if
you don't intend the profile to be global, you may need to open this dialog
while in the application.

Once you have created a profile, you can make changes to it by returning to
voices, but this time arrowing down once to "Select a voice profile."

I hope this is clear enough to get you started. Please post again if this is
unclear, and I'll try to give better details tomorrow.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:42 PM
To: JFW list
Subject: application specific changes

Okay. Using Jaws 11. I've had to downgrade for some older compatibility.
I can't find the old Global settings where you can save the amount of
punctuation that is announced for a given application. It says punctuation
controlled by Jaws, but where? In older versions it was under Jaws, Voices,
Global settings, and then you chose the application either default of the
one you had focus in. I can't find it.

Jean
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Re: highlighted text

Dave...
 

Jean,

Ask them to be more specific. Some people say text if highlighted when it's
bold, or underlined, or italicized. Some call it highlighted when it's a
different color, or superscripted. Others call it correctly when the
background behind the text is different either in shading or color.

You should be able to detect highlighted text with colors and attributes
turned on.

I'm not on 2003 any more, but you may also want to go to Tools/Options and
on the edit page (I think) there are several checkboxes where you can have
hidden characters show, and highlighting may be there.

I'm rambling now, but there may also be something in the Settings Center for
JAWS under text where you need to turn on detecting highlights -- or is it
the Quick setting dialog?

Well, you have something to chew on now.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 21:08
Subject: highlighted text


Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just
told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure
what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to
identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other
than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word,
etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that
runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to
have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is
some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set
to read text and attributes.

Jean
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highlighted text

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Maybe someone here can shed some light on this problem. I'm stumped.

I've recently created two documents for a job I am training on. I was just told that in each case, some of the text remained highlighted. I'm not sure what that really means or how it got that way or, better yet, how to identify and remove it. I've never had JAWS tell me highlighted text other than when I select it for copy and paste, or to look up a specific word, etc. This is with Word 2003, but note that the proprietary software that runs in with Word might be affecting this problem. But is there a way to have Jaws identify highlighted text in a Word document? I gather this is some kind of visual formatting that stays with the text. I do have Jaws set to read text and attributes.

Jean
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Re: Is Research It really necessary?

Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

At 10:51 PM 4/25/2012, you wrote:
Hello, Most sighted people I've interacted with are quite inefficient at both browsing websites, reading, navigating through the menus on the computer, typing and processing the directions on a page...
Brandon, don't forget that we must know a lot more about our computers, Windows, etc. than most sighted users, simply to get things done. Most sighted people I know have very little idea what's going on with their computers, but they seem to do just fine because the user interface is so intuitive visually. A lot of us blind folks know more about the inner workings of things, because we simply must know these things to get anything done.

Ask a sighted person about a dialog box or edit field and they probably won't have any idea what you're talking about, because they simply don't need to know that stuff to accomplish basic tasks.

Chris

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