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moderated Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

Richard Justice
 

Hi Bill,
This happened on my machine as well,.
The Sentinel System Driver is for USB authorization dongles
I deleted the Downloaded Installations folder, and have had no problems.
Seems to me that this is a coding problem in the most recent build of Jaws.
 
HTH,
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

The installation did not abort. JAWS completely installed, and the installation files folder is on both my updated computers.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

 

I feel like I have seen stuff like this before.

Though it makes more sense to use a temporary folder and not the documents folder inside a person’s user profile, I feel like it’s likely JAWS install would normally delete this folder. But perhaps something happened on instalation to abort the process so the folder stayed there.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: December 18, 2021 07:45 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: JAWS did something strange at installation

 

A friend of mine just pointed out that the latest version of the JAWS installer (J2022.2112.24.400-any.exe) did something strange after running it. Once JAWS 2022 was updated, it put a folder in Documents called Downloaded Installation Files. Inside that folder was a folder beginning with {, and some numbers, ending in a }. Inside that folder is an installation file for the Sentinel System driver. Does anyone know why this folder was put inside the Documents folder? JAWS runs fine without it, probably because it was already run at the installation of JAWS 2022 update.

 

Bill White

 

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moderated Re: Question about tutorials for beginner users of office word 365 on a windows 10 computer.

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi all, 

Jonathan wrote: 

If you still don't like the ribbons, JAWS has a setting to virtualize the ribbons into a menu style. I believe there is a checkbox to turn this on in the startup wizard, or you can find it by opening settings center (insert+6) followed by control+shift+d to open the default settings and then search for ribbon. 

Oh yes, right. But if you use this setting keep in mind that the ribbon shortcuts don't work anymore. I don't mean Word shortcuts like Ctrl+N for creating a new document. I mean the layered shortcuts to reach the symbol in the ribbon. I don't have an English word version so I can't provide an example but I mean those keystrokes you press first to activate the ribbon tab and them the next couple of keystrokes. 

So if you ask in a mailing group for advice and they say press x then y then z please remember to turn off this mode at first. 

Udo 


moderated Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

Bill White
 

I wouldn't do that, but I did delete it out of Documents.

Bill White

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

I have always wondered if I could delete the Sentinel System driver
installer that shows up under programs and features after installing Jaws..

On 12/18/2021 7:35 PM, Bill White wrote:
The installation did not abort. JAWS completely installed, and the
installation files folder is on both my updated computers.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *JM
Casey
*Sent:* Saturday, December 18, 2021 4:51 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

I feel like I have seen stuff like this before.

Though it makes more sense to use a temporary folder and not the
documents folder inside a person’s user profile, I feel like it’s likely
JAWS install would normally delete this folder. But perhaps something
happened on instalation to abort the process so the folder stayed there.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* December 18, 2021 07:45 PM
*To:* JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
*Subject:* JAWS did something strange at installation

A friend of mine just pointed out that the latest version of the JAWS
installer (J2022.2112.24.400-any.exe) did something strange after
running it. Once JAWS 2022 was updated, it put a folder in Documents
called Downloaded Installation Files. Inside that folder was a folder
beginning with {, and some numbers, ending in a }. Inside that folder is
an installation file for the Sentinel System driver. Does anyone know
why this folder was put inside the Documents folder? JAWS runs fine
without it, probably because it was already run at the installation of
JAWS 2022 update.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>


moderated Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

Don H
 

I have always wondered if I could delete the Sentinel System driver
installer that shows up under programs and features after installing Jaws..

On 12/18/2021 7:35 PM, Bill White wrote:
The installation did not abort. JAWS completely installed, and the
installation files folder is on both my updated computers.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *JM
Casey
*Sent:* Saturday, December 18, 2021 4:51 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

I feel like I have seen stuff like this before.

Though it makes more sense to use a temporary folder and not the
documents folder inside a person’s user profile, I feel like it’s likely
JAWS install would normally delete this folder. But perhaps something
happened on instalation to abort the process so the folder stayed there.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* December 18, 2021 07:45 PM
*To:* JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
*Subject:* JAWS did something strange at installation

A friend of mine just pointed out that the latest version of the JAWS
installer (J2022.2112.24.400-any.exe) did something strange after
running it. Once JAWS 2022 was updated, it put a folder in Documents
called Downloaded Installation Files. Inside that folder was a folder
beginning with {, and some numbers, ending in a }. Inside that folder is
an installation file for the Sentinel System driver. Does anyone know
why this folder was put inside the Documents folder? JAWS runs fine
without it, probably because it was already run at the installation of
JAWS 2022 update.

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>


moderated Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

Bill White
 

The installation did not abort. JAWS completely installed, and the installation files folder is on both my updated computers.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

 

I feel like I have seen stuff like this before.

Though it makes more sense to use a temporary folder and not the documents folder inside a person’s user profile, I feel like it’s likely JAWS install would normally delete this folder. But perhaps something happened on instalation to abort the process so the folder stayed there.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: December 18, 2021 07:45 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: JAWS did something strange at installation

 

A friend of mine just pointed out that the latest version of the JAWS installer (J2022.2112.24.400-any.exe) did something strange after running it. Once JAWS 2022 was updated, it put a folder in Documents called Downloaded Installation Files. Inside that folder was a folder beginning with {, and some numbers, ending in a }. Inside that folder is an installation file for the Sentinel System driver. Does anyone know why this folder was put inside the Documents folder? JAWS runs fine without it, probably because it was already run at the installation of JAWS 2022 update.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: JAWS did something strange at installation

JM Casey
 

I feel like I have seen stuff like this before.

Though it makes more sense to use a temporary folder and not the documents folder inside a person’s user profile, I feel like it’s likely JAWS install would normally delete this folder. But perhaps something happened on instalation to abort the process so the folder stayed there.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: December 18, 2021 07:45 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: JAWS did something strange at installation

 

A friend of mine just pointed out that the latest version of the JAWS installer (J2022.2112.24.400-any.exe) did something strange after running it. Once JAWS 2022 was updated, it put a folder in Documents called Downloaded Installation Files. Inside that folder was a folder beginning with {, and some numbers, ending in a }. Inside that folder is an installation file for the Sentinel System driver. Does anyone know why this folder was put inside the Documents folder? JAWS runs fine without it, probably because it was already run at the installation of JAWS 2022 update.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated JAWS did something strange at installation

Bill White
 

A friend of mine just pointed out that the latest version of the JAWS installer (J2022.2112.24.400-any.exe) did something strange after running it. Once JAWS 2022 was updated, it put a folder in Documents called Downloaded Installation Files. Inside that folder was a folder beginning with {, and some numbers, ending in a }. Inside that folder is an installation file for the Sentinel System driver. Does anyone know why this folder was put inside the Documents folder? JAWS runs fine without it, probably because it was already run at the installation of JAWS 2022 update.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: becoming reacquainted with jaws

David Moore
 

Hi Keith! First, I would open the JAWS help section! That will take you through the entire training of how to use JAWS, all key commands and so on! Next, get on Utube, and do a search for freedom Scientific and there will be many training tutorials you can listen to! Take care!


On Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 4:34 PM Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via groups.io <kramlinger.keith=mayo.edu@groups.io> wrote:
hi,
After five years of having only an iPhone, I now have a PC with jaws 2022 installed. It is clear that I have forgotten a lot.
what advice would you recommend for best ways to become reacquainted with basic jaws keyboard commands, primarily on the desktop as a start.
Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Keith






moderated Re: becoming reacquainted with jaws

JM Casey
 

Hi.

Although I'm not sure every document (especiallya s it pertains to specific
applications) is updated with rigorous regularity, the JAWS help topics are
right there at your fingertips and are a good place to start, in my opinion.
In fact, they will tell you just about everything you might need to know.
Ther'es also a searchable index. Go to help in the JAWS menu and start
reading from the table of contents.

I can't think of any JAWS commands that are specific to the desktop. The
desktop is just a special folder on your computer that contains a bunch of
icons and is displayed on most systems by default when they boot up or when
no specific application is in focus. You can access the desktop by pressing
windows key +d. This is a Windows command, not a JAWS command -- which
means it works equally well for sighted people or other screen-reader users.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith
G., M.D. via groups.io
Sent: December 18, 2021 04:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: becoming reacquainted with jaws

hi,
After five years of having only an iPhone, I now have a PC with jaws 2022
installed. It is clear that I have forgotten a lot.
what advice would you recommend for best ways to become reacquainted with
basic jaws keyboard commands, primarily on the desktop as a start.
Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Keith


moderated Re: jaws and windows 11

Jason White
 

Note also the changes in the latest update to JAWS 2022 that provide some access to Windows terminal, and improve the accessibility of the clipboard history in Windows 11. Windows Terminal is used by default in Windows 11 for PowerShell sessions. The clipboard history can be reached, as in Windows 10, with Windows+V.

I’ve been using Windows 11 comfortably since shortly after its public release.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Nutt <steve@...>
Date: Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 14:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: jaws and windows 11

Hi Tina,

No problem here with JAWS 2022 and Windows 11.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tina sohl
Sent: 17 December 2021 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and windows 11

Hi. Apparently my laptop's able to get windows 11. I declined it for now, but wanted to ask how it works  with jaws for those who've tried it. Merry Christmas and happy Friday.
Tina












moderated Re: becoming reacquainted with jaws

Chris Hill
 

This might help:
https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Manuals/JAWS/Keystrokes.pdf

I don't know if it was the whole thing, but I found a bit of this pretty helpful with office, and printed it out in Braille for my own use.

CH

On 12/18/2021 15:34, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via groups.io wrote:
hi,
After five years of having only an iPhone, I now have a PC with jaws 2022 installed. It is clear that I have forgotten a lot.
what advice would you recommend for best ways to become reacquainted with basic jaws keyboard commands, primarily on the desktop as a start.
Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Keith




moderated becoming reacquainted with jaws

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. <kramlinger.keith@...>
 

hi,
After five years of having only an iPhone, I now have a PC with jaws 2022 installed. It is clear that I have forgotten a lot.
what advice would you recommend for best ways to become reacquainted with basic jaws keyboard commands, primarily on the desktop as a start.
Thanks in advance for any recommendations. Keith


moderated Jaws And Windows 11

Pastor Gil Pries <gilp@...>
 

I just got Windows 10 pro version 21h2.

I got it through Windows update.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: Jaws And Wiindows 11

Mario
 

I received 21H2 build 19044.1415 a couple of days ago.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Steve Nutt [mailto:steve@...]
Subject: Jaws And Wiindows 11
Date: Saturday, December 18, 2021, 2:22 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi,

You’re out of date already. 😊

I think the latest version of Windows 10 is 21H2.

All the best


Steve

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*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Pastor Gil
Pries via groups.io
*Sent:* 17 December 2021 18:55
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Jaws And Wiindows 11

I make sure Windows 10 is up to date.

Using 20 h1.

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: Jaws And Wiindows 11

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

You’re out of date already. 😊

 

I think the latest version of Windows 10 is 21H2.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via groups.io
Sent: 17 December 2021 18:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws And Wiindows 11

 

I make sure Windows 10 is up to date.

Using 20 h1.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: jaws and windows 11

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Tina,

No problem here with JAWS 2022 and Windows 11.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tina sohl
Sent: 17 December 2021 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws and windows 11

Hi. Apparently my laptop's able to get windows 11. I declined it for now, but wanted to ask how it works with jaws for those who've tried it. Merry Christmas and happy Friday.
Tina


moderated Re: Question about tutorials for beginner users of office word 365 on a windows 10 computer.

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi, 

I will write my answers to your questions right beneath you question so please make sure to read the whole mail: 

Does anyone know if there are any MP3 media  files or tutorials that I would  be able too download, that could teach me   information on how too make Jaws 2022,  work with word office 365? 

I don't know such a tutorial but I try to answer your questions here. 

For instance, is their a way that I could enable jaws 2022  too set up the classic view for word,   like in earlier versions of  word, without using the ribbons  menu? 

There is no way to use classic menus in word. Maybe there are some add-ons out there to solve this issue but Microsoft did remove the classic menu and exchanged it with the ribbon interface. 

Other examples that I very much want too learn,  is how do  I save a document in word, and then once having saved a document, how would I be able too add additional information in that same document? 

You can save the document by pressing the keystroke Ctrl+S. If your document has no name a dialogue appears and prompts you to give a name to the document. Instead of pressing this keystroke you can use the Alt-key to open the file menu. Go down with the arrow keys to find the command "save" or "save as". 

Also, how would I be able too put a saved document into my documents folder, and not loose that document?

If you do as described above you can select a folder in this dialog. 

Another great thing to save a document in a folder is this: open file explorer and go to the folder you want to save your document. Press the context menu key. A menu appears in which you can select the item "new" and then "Word document". After this Word creates an empty document in the folder you are in and the rename command is active so you can give the file a new name. Open this file by pressing the enter key and write there as you want. 

Next, I need too learn how too save a document as an attachment, and send it later as an email. 

Open file manager and go to the document you want to send. Open the context menu again and select "Send as..". Then there's another command to select. Because I'm using a non English version of JAWS I can't say the name exactly but maybe it's something like "Mail" or "Mail Attachment" or "Attachment". 

I hope this helps you. Good luck in trying out
Udo 


moderated Re: Question about tutorials for beginner users of office word 365 on a windows 10 computer.

Cohn, Jonathan
 

Most of the Freedom Scientific tutorials are on their Training youtube page.
This one is probably a good starting point:
If you still don't like the ribbons, JAWS has a setting to virtualize the ribbons into a menu style. I believe there is a checkbox to turn this on in the startup wizard, or you can find it by opening settings center (insert+6) followed by control+shift+d to open the default settings and then search for ribbon. 

control+S will save a document in pretty much any application in Windows. 
Also, Freedom Scientific has a training podcast which includes:
Word, Tips and Tricks from Power Users
Jonathan 

On Dec 18, 2021, at 11:16, Albert Cutolo <Albertc51@...> wrote:

Good morning everyone, 

 

Does anyone know if there are any MP3 media  files or tutorials that I would  be able too download, that could teach me   information on how too make Jaws 2022,  work with word office 365?  For instance, is their a way that I could enable jaws 2022  too set up the classic view for word,   like in earlier versions of  word, without using the ribbons  menu?  Other examples that I very much want too learn,  is how do  I save a document in word, and then once having saved a document, how would I be able too add additional information in that same document?  Also, how would I be able too put a saved document into my documents folder, and not loose that document? Next, I need too learn how too save a document as an attachment, and send it later as an email.  Because I’m so inept on this subject, this is why I’m asking these questions.  I just want too setup the necessary options in word, so that it works optimally and seamlessly with Jaws2022 with words office 365 with windows 10.  I don’t need a complete book on how too use word, just something like a tutorial for word for dummies which is what I feel like one that I am.              

 

Thanks in advance for any and all help and advice,

 

Al



moderated Question about tutorials for beginner users of office word 365 on a windows 10 computer.

Albert Cutolo
 

Good morning everyone, 

 

Does anyone know if there are any MP3 media  files or tutorials that I would  be able too download, that could teach me   information on how too make Jaws 2022,  work with word office 365?  For instance, is their a way that I could enable jaws 2022  too set up the classic view for word,   like in earlier versions of  word, without using the ribbons  menu?  Other examples that I very much want too learn,  is how do  I save a document in word, and then once having saved a document, how would I be able too add additional information in that same document?  Also, how would I be able too put a saved document into my documents folder, and not loose that document? Next, I need too learn how too save a document as an attachment, and send it later as an email.  Because I’m so inept on this subject, this is why I’m asking these questions.  I just want too setup the necessary options in word, so that it works optimally and seamlessly with Jaws2022 with words office 365 with windows 10.  I don’t need a complete book on how too use word, just something like a tutorial for word for dummies which is what I feel like one that I am.              

 

Thanks in advance for any and all help and advice,

 

Al


moderated Re: Merry Christmas

Shirley Tracy
 

Merry Christmas.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Pastor Gil Pries via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Merry Christmas

 

I want to wish all of you a merry Christmas and a happy  New Year.

 

Pastor Gil

 

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