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moderated Re: Jaws and Win 10 problem

 


moderated Re: moving files from a folder

 

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 11:03 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Good way to lose files.
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No, it's not.  And no matter how many times you make this assertion it will remain false, and for precisely the reasons I have already detailed.

If you can't handle doing a simple cut and paste please do not try to convince others that it's a bad idea.  It's a frequently used fundamental Windows function across contexts and most handle it just fine, thank you.
 
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moderated Re: moving files from a folder

Glenn / Lenny
 

Good way to lose files.
Glenn

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Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 09:50 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Cut and past should only be done for moving text in my opinion.
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One that very few share.

A cut and paste acts just as a copy and paste with a delete afterward does.  But it saves you the step of having to delete afterwards.  If something goes wrong during the process the files not yet pasted stay precisely where they are.  If you cut files and then do nothing, they stay right where they are as well.  Cut files are not placed on the clipboard in the same manner cut text is.  They don't end up actually being cut from where they are currently resident until a paste command is issued where you want them placed.

I'm not a fan of the Move command myself as, for whatever reason, it seems more tedious to deal with and slower to complete.  But if I intend to move something it's always going to be via cut and paste if using File Explorer because it works and it saves additional and unnecessary steps.
 
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moderated Re: Jaws and Win 10 problem

 

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 08:16 AM, tom x wrote:
Was this a hoax or did the problem get fixed?
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I vote hoax, and small one, since it's not come up elsewhere.
 
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moderated Re: moving files from a folder

 

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 10:31 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
That’s a great explanation and one that I don’t think a lot of visually impaired or blind people realise
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And I can understand why.

When you are using cut and paste for text, or a sound chunk in Audacity, or in most instances the thing cut is instantly removed, and it's presented visually as "gone."  It's as though it was never there.

By contrast, in File Explorer, when you cut a file it is not instantly removed, but shown as "faded out" for lack of any better way to put it.  The icon is still present but its visual intensity is lessened.  That tells you that the file is staged for the cut.  

This is the case because, otherwise, cut and delete for files would be virtually functionally equivalent, but there would be some "file limbo" that is not the Recycle Bin for a cut file while it was in suspended animation before it was pasted, and then what would a user think if they cut and changed their mind and did nothing?  They'd have every reason to believe the file had been deleted, as a file disappearing from the screen and not reappearing indicates it's gone, permanently.

Another example of one of those occasions where there is no direct substitute for sight.  Something is being communicated to the user via this sensory modality that simply cannot be captured in another, or at least not in a way that would be tolerable in a number of circumstances.  Can you imagine if you were cutting a thousand files that you'd selected with CTRL + A and the screen reader were to start saying, "Cut files: file one, file two, file three, etc.?"

There are also things that you have to take somewhat on faith, and that's regardless of visual status, and one of those is that the fundamental Windows functions work and work as designed.  Missing files, as described earlier, have always, in my experience, been the direct result of user error when pasting (and I've made those errors).  Files that are cut and pasted do not simply vanish, but they do sometimes land in a folder you hadn't thought you were pasting into.

This is one of the reasons I am a huge fan of the Everything Search tool from https://voidtools.com.  It allows me to very easily locate files, regardless of how I came to not know where they are, provided I remember something about their names.  And it's much easier and cleaner in doing so if what you're generally trying to find is a file using a file name than Windows Search is.  The only time I use Windows Search for a file is on those rare occasions where I don't have a clue as to what the file name, or part of it, was but I do happen to know some significant word or phrase it contains.  Since Windows indexes on file contents I'll use Windows Search when that's what I need to search on.  That doesn't happen very often, as I'm old enough to come from the era where file names had to be relatively short and you needed to keep those names (or something about them) in your mind.  I've long ago ditched the short part, at least sometimes, but I do keep what I called things filed in the wetware.
 
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moderated Re: moving files from a folder

Justin Williams
 

Where is a good place to learn some of the windows explorer and windows navigation tricks?

 

This powe ruser tricks which make the difference?

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

 

I'd also suggest that those doing cut and paste for files where you're selecting a few files, in cycles, then pasting them, lather, rinse, repeat use two File Explorer windows tiled either side by side or above and below to do this process.  It saves tons of navigation on the whole, and you know, based on how you choose to place the windows, which you consider your cutting window and which you consider your pasting window.  It's quick work to switch between them, or at least it can be if you don't have a ton of programs you need to ALT + TAB between.  And if that is the case, this is a perfect example of where a second (or third or fourth) virtual desktop comes in very handy just for doing this task and then closing it.


How to Use Virtual Desktops in Windows 10

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moderated Re: moving files from a folder

 

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 10:29 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
If you want to get directly into a folder, and you know its name, you can type c:\foldername, where foldername is the name of your folder.
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And you can do precisely the same thing in the address bar of File Explorer.  It acts very much like the address bar in a web browser, but not for the web.

If you hit ALT + D in File Explorer you're thrown to the address bar and it's ready for you to type whatever folder location you wish, e.g., C:\Windows, and will promptly open that folder when you hit enter after doing so.

Many people seem to resist using the Quick Access feature of File Explorer, but for folders you frequently use it becomes almost a godsend once you're used to using it.  Being able to pin (and, of course, unpin) folders from Quick Access can really speed direct access up and save tons of typing, too.
 
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moderated Re: moving files from a folder

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

That’s a great explanation and one that I don’t think a lot of visually impaired or blind people realise, that the file is not moved or changed at the point you hit Control X, so if you change your mind, simply don’t do a Control V.

 

Also, if you paste it into the wrong folder, you can always cut and paste again, so I see no problem with cut and paste, as opposed to copy and paste, and I use both.

 

All the best


Steve

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 07 December 2021 15:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

 

On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 09:50 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Cut and past should only be done for moving text in my opinion.

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One that very few share.

A cut and paste acts just as a copy and paste with a delete afterward does.  But it saves you the step of having to delete afterwards.  If something goes wrong during the process the files not yet pasted stay precisely where they are.  If you cut files and then do nothing, they stay right where they are as well.  Cut files are not placed on the clipboard in the same manner cut text is.  They don't end up actually being cut from where they are currently resident until a paste command is issued where you want them placed.

I'm not a fan of the Move command myself as, for whatever reason, it seems more tedious to deal with and slower to complete.  But if I intend to move something it's always going to be via cut and paste if using File Explorer because it works and it saves additional and unnecessary steps.
 
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moderated Re: moving files from a folder

 

I'd also suggest that those doing cut and paste for files where you're selecting a few files, in cycles, then pasting them, lather, rinse, repeat use two File Explorer windows tiled either side by side or above and below to do this process.  It saves tons of navigation on the whole, and you know, based on how you choose to place the windows, which you consider your cutting window and which you consider your pasting window.  It's quick work to switch between them, or at least it can be if you don't have a ton of programs you need to ALT + TAB between.  And if that is the case, this is a perfect example of where a second (or third or fourth) virtual desktop comes in very handy just for doing this task and then closing it.

How to Use Virtual Desktops in Windows 10

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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moderated Re: moving files from a folder

Steve Nutt
 

Press Windows and R, then type the drive letter, followed by a colon. That is to say, if you want to get to Drive C:, type c: and press enter.

 

If you want to get directly into a folder, and you know its name, you can type c:\foldername, where foldername is the name of your folder.

 

If you type the word Documents in the run Window, you will land in the documents folder. If you type Pictures, Music or Videos, you will do the same.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: 07 December 2021 14:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

 

Hi Bill, Is there another way to get to OS drive other than using windows explorer?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

 

Hi, Kevin. I never copy, move or delete files or folders using the Windows File Explorer tree view. Instead, I actually open the folder from either the OS drive or whatever drive the files or folders are on. This makes it simple, because I don't need to deal with the "closed" folders. If I go into a folder, I know which folder has focus, and the folder, and only that folder, has focus. Then, when I move or copy the files or folders, I know exactly where they will go. If you would like help with this, I can call you tomorrow, and walk you through the process I use.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

 

Hi Bill, I will try that method. When I did do a copy through windows10 the file would then be in the two folders. I would then delete it from the folder I copied it from. It then deleted the file in both folders. I would go to the recycle bin and recover it. I just wonder where some of these files that I did a cut and paste went as they don’t exist in the folder I cut from or the folder I pasted it in. Thanks, Kevin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 8:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

 

Hi, Kevin. It's best to use CONTROL plus C to copy the file, then go to the folder, enter it, and use CONTROL plus V to paste the file. These options are available in the context menu. There's no need to use the JAWS Cursor, only the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: moving files from a folder

 

 

Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2022. I’m moving files from one folder to another through windows explorer. I put the cursor on the file name. Then I use the Jaws cursor and place cursor on the file name. I then press the right mouse key. I get the options to copy, cut and so on. I move to cut and press enter. I then move to the new folder. The folder I want is with in multiple folders. For example there is a main folder. Within that folder is then folder 1. Within that folder is folder 1a. I need to put the file in folder 1a. The file is on the clip board. Once at the folder 1a I paste in. I make sure it is in the folder before moving out of folder 1a. It shows up. I go and do something else and then come back to folder 1a. The file I cut and pasted is not in folder 1a. Also there are times I create a sub folder, it shows up and when I go out and come back it no longer exists. What would be causing this to happen? I check other sub folders and the file is no where.

Thanks,

Kevin

 


moderated Re: moving files from a folder

 

On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 09:50 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Cut and past should only be done for moving text in my opinion.
-
One that very few share.

A cut and paste acts just as a copy and paste with a delete afterward does.  But it saves you the step of having to delete afterwards.  If something goes wrong during the process the files not yet pasted stay precisely where they are.  If you cut files and then do nothing, they stay right where they are as well.  Cut files are not placed on the clipboard in the same manner cut text is.  They don't end up actually being cut from where they are currently resident until a paste command is issued where you want them placed.

I'm not a fan of the Move command myself as, for whatever reason, it seems more tedious to deal with and slower to complete.  But if I intend to move something it's always going to be via cut and paste if using File Explorer because it works and it saves additional and unnecessary steps.
 
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moderated Re: moving files from a folder

kevin meyers
 

Hi Bill, Is there another way to get to OS drive other than using windows explorer?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

 

Hi, Kevin. I never copy, move or delete files or folders using the Windows File Explorer tree view. Instead, I actually open the folder from either the OS drive or whatever drive the files or folders are on. This makes it simple, because I don't need to deal with the "closed" folders. If I go into a folder, I know which folder has focus, and the folder, and only that folder, has focus. Then, when I move or copy the files or folders, I know exactly where they will go. If you would like help with this, I can call you tomorrow, and walk you through the process I use.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

 

Hi Bill, I will try that method. When I did do a copy through windows10 the file would then be in the two folders. I would then delete it from the folder I copied it from. It then deleted the file in both folders. I would go to the recycle bin and recover it. I just wonder where some of these files that I did a cut and paste went as they don’t exist in the folder I cut from or the folder I pasted it in. Thanks, Kevin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 8:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving files from a folder

 

Hi, Kevin. It's best to use CONTROL plus C to copy the file, then go to the folder, enter it, and use CONTROL plus V to paste the file. These options are available in the context menu. There's no need to use the JAWS Cursor, only the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: moving files from a folder

 

 

Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2022. I’m moving files from one folder to another through windows explorer. I put the cursor on the file name. Then I use the Jaws cursor and place cursor on the file name. I then press the right mouse key. I get the options to copy, cut and so on. I move to cut and press enter. I then move to the new folder. The folder I want is with in multiple folders. For example there is a main folder. Within that folder is then folder 1. Within that folder is folder 1a. I need to put the file in folder 1a. The file is on the clip board. Once at the folder 1a I paste in. I make sure it is in the folder before moving out of folder 1a. It shows up. I go and do something else and then come back to folder 1a. The file I cut and pasted is not in folder 1a. Also there are times I create a sub folder, it shows up and when I go out and come back it no longer exists. What would be causing this to happen? I check other sub folders and the file is no where.

Thanks,

Kevin

 


moderated Jaws and Win 10 problem

tom x <ballistic719@...>
 

Hi,


A few weeks ago I came across a message reporting there was a problem with a Win 10 updater screwing numerous Jaws files but then never heard any more.


Was this a hoax or did the problem get fixed?


Thanks


Tom


moderated Re: moving files from a folder

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Why use the JAWS cursor to cut?

 

Just highlight the folder and press Control X. then go into the new folder where you want it pasted and press Control V. No clicking need apply.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: 06 December 2021 02:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: moving files from a folder

 

 

Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2022. I’m moving files from one folder to another through windows explorer. I put the cursor on the file name. Then I use the Jaws cursor and place cursor on the file name. I then press the right mouse key. I get the options to copy, cut and so on. I move to cut and press enter. I then move to the new folder. The folder I want is with in multiple folders. For example there is a main folder. Within that folder is then folder 1. Within that folder is folder 1a. I need to put the file in folder 1a. The file is on the clip board. Once at the folder 1a I paste in. I make sure it is in the folder before moving out of folder 1a. It shows up. I go and do something else and then come back to folder 1a. The file I cut and pasted is not in folder 1a. Also there are times I create a sub folder, it shows up and when I go out and come back it no longer exists. What would be causing this to happen? I check other sub folders and the file is no where.

Thanks,

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Settings, voices, and speech and sound schemes for reading ePubs

Van Lant, Robin
 

I just watched a youtube video on sound schemes where the guy demonstrated a scheme that changed the voice a bit when reading quoted material. I don’t read for pleasure with JAWS, but could really see how this would be helpful.   I definitely lose track when reading books with a lot of dialog that also have first-person narrative so you don’t know if the narrator is just thinking or actually speaking.

 

JAWS Demonstration: Speech and Sound Schemes - YouTube

 

Robin

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 5:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Settings, voices, and speech and sound schemes for reading ePubs

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

Does anyone have advice on settings, voices, and speech and sound schemes for pleasure reading?  I'm used classic with quotes, but modified it to have a sound effect when it comes across a heading as it's easier for me to notice it's a heading. 



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moderated Re: does anyone have the address of the victor reader stream group?

Tom Behler
 

Jim:

 

Here are the subscription instructions for the VRStream e-mail list:

 

To join this group, send an email to:
victor+subscribe@groups.io

 

That would be the best place to get your questions answered.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: does anyone have the address of the victor reader stream group?

 

Hi all, I am trying to find out if you can read books from audible.com on the VRS second generation? Do any of you know? Jim


moderated Re: does anyone have the address of the victor reader stream group?

Joseph Machise
 

jim yes you can

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2021 1:15 PM
Subject: does anyone have the address of the victor reader stream group?

Hi all, I am trying to find out if you can read books from audible.com on the VRS second generation? Do any of you know? Jim


moderated Re: does anyone have the address of the victor reader stream group?

 

There are a number of them, though I suspect you mean the Victor group.  It shows up first on these Groups.io search results:

https://groups.io/search?q=Victor&p=SubsCount%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0 
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moderated Re: does anyone have the address of the victor reader stream group?

Mario
 

victor+subscribe@groups.io

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jim Rawls [mailto:jazzpiano@...]
Subject: does anyone have the address of the victor reader stream group?
Date: Monday, December 6, 2021, 1:15 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi all, I am trying to find out if you can read books from audible.com
on the VRS second generation? Do any of you know? Jim


moderated does anyone have the address of the victor reader stream group?

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all, I am trying to find out if you can read books from audible.com on the VRS second generation? Do any of you know? Jim

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