Date   

moderated P.S.

Rick Miller
 

I just did a right-mouse click.  The entire document popped up this time, but still, only a portion of it will print.  Something is wrong with Word.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated A Problem with Word I Can't Resolve with JAWS

Rick Miller
 

Dear Listers:

 

Can any of you help?

 

Yesterday while attempting to use mail-merge with the most updated version of Word I noticed that envelopes weren’t printing properly.  Now whenever I try to open any Word document the first thing that pops up is a Resume Reading button which is not accessible to JAWS, as far as I am concerned, and JAWS will not read a full Word document, nor will my printer be able to print out the entire document.  Because this Resume Reading button has no JAWS keystroke, can any of you give me some advice as to how to go about trying to resolve this on my own.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

betina vega
 

Hi, all:

I am using a Focus 40 display, 4th generation with JAWS 2022, and
Windows 11. I have tried connecting via bluetooth, and it works. But
If I try connecting it via USB, it does not work.

Sincerely,
Betina Vega

On 11/18/21, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:
Hi,

Are you using JAWS 2022 with your windows 11?

Did you hear a connect sound when you connected the Focus to the computer?

Have you searched the Device Manager to see if it shows up there?

Are you using the provided cable with your Focus? The tip that goes into the
Focus 4 Generation is a micro usb tip.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of betina vega
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Hello, all:

I am using the Focus blu 40, 4th generation display with windows 11, and
JAWS 2022. I have connected it using bluetooth, but this is the first time
connecting the device using the USB port. I have tried going through the
JAWS Braille menu, and following the steps to connect via USB but nothing
happens. I have tried turning the Braille display on and off, and I do know
I must have my Braille display turned on before activating JAWS. Any help
would be appreciated.Thank you.

Sincerely,
Betina Vega

On 11/12/21, betina vega <betinavega93@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone:

I am having an issue connecting my Focus 40 Braille display to my
computer using the USB port.
I am using JAWS 2022. I have tried various suggestions from the
internet, but they do not work.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Betina Vega











moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

I will have to keep on trying. 

On Nov 22, 2021, at 21:00, Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:

I just tried JAWS 2022 and JAWS 2021 on images in Informed Daily Delivery and it is working as usual for me. ----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Yes. It’s broken here too. It’s a bug at the moment. 

On Nov 22, 2021, at 20:38, Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

They actually broke picture smart in this release, which is  a feature I rely on extensively to check USPS mail. When you perform a insert space bar and letters P and Shift C, it says image is not a picture. This was working just fine.
I am going to try same in a mail app that is not Outlook and see if the experience is the same.
Rod,
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of stewartross via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
hi mike thanks for all the jaws downloads
from stew
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
Okay the latest download links for JAWS2021 & JAWS2022 have already been posted today, but below is the most recent download link for JAWS2020 + what's new.  This update is from a couple of weeks ago.
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
Below is the download link + what else is new in this release.
 
 
J2020.2110.3 32 & 64 bit:
 
https://jaws2020.vfo.digital/2020.2110.3.400/01BF761E-C6C6-4387-8E1F-1BBE3BB8EC96/J2020.2110.3.400-any.exe
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2110.3 (November 2021)
 
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
To download the latest release, visit the 
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2012.9 (December 2020)
 
The following is a list of improvements made between the August 2020 release and the December 2020 update.
 
list of 15 items
• In the 2020 December Update, we have included a fix that will help users of ZoomText and Fusion in the future when they uninstall that version yet continue
to use later versions. There was a problem in earlier 2020 versions where it was impacting shared components with other versions such as the most recent
release. We encourage anyone who still has the 2020 versions installed, to please update  now even if you are not currently using it.
• Fixed a long-standing issue in File Explorer where JAWS would often not announce the correct number of files in the current folder.
• JAWS now properly reads as expected in Skype when moving focus back to the app without the need to first press ALT and ESC.
• When launching the Skype app included in Windows 10, JAWS now loads the correct settings files.
• While in a Zoom meeting, you can now press CTRL+SHIFT+T to find out who is currently talking. Zoom recently added this option with CTRL+2 but we were
previously using it for a JAWS feature.
• Removed the announcement of Tutor Messages in Microsoft Office Ribbons as they were very verbose when attempting to navigate.
• Resolved an issue when selecting all text (CTRL+A) in  a large Word document. This action would cause JAWS to hang for several seconds.
• Addressed an issue in Word documents where JAWS was not announcing indentation increments when pressing TAB.
• Resolved an issue in Excel where JAWS was not reading the selected item in various combo boxes in the Font dialog box.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading the Auto  Complete options in the Chrome Address bar.
• Addressed an issue where same page links were not always working as expected in Chrome or Edge Chromium.
• Added five new Japanese voices to the Add/Remove Voices utility, which allows you to sample and download Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices for use with JAWS,
ZoomText, and Fusion.
• Resolved an issue with navigating to the configuration editor in Thunderbird Email when running JAWS or Fusion.
• Addressed reports of JAWS performance issues encountered after accessing the Start menu multiple times.
• Updated braille drivers provided by Papenmeire.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
hi mike and bill
do u have some download links that u can give me for jaws 2020/2021/2022
from stewart ross
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
Hi Bill,
I'll get to that one in a little bit.  LOL  LOL  
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
Hi All,
An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.
Download Link:
What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)
list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 




moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Loy
 


I just tried JAWS 2022 and JAWS 2021 on images in Informed Daily Delivery and it is working as usual for me. ----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Yes. It’s broken here too. It’s a bug at the moment. 

On Nov 22, 2021, at 20:38, Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

They actually broke picture smart in this release, which is  a feature I rely on extensively to check USPS mail. When you perform a insert space bar and letters P and Shift C, it says image is not a picture. This was working just fine.
I am going to try same in a mail app that is not Outlook and see if the experience is the same.
Rod,
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of stewartross via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
hi mike thanks for all the jaws downloads
from stew
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
Okay the latest download links for JAWS2021 & JAWS2022 have already been posted today, but below is the most recent download link for JAWS2020 + what's new.  This update is from a couple of weeks ago.
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
Below is the download link + what else is new in this release.
 
 
J2020.2110.3 32 & 64 bit:
 
https://jaws2020.vfo.digital/2020.2110.3.400/01BF761E-C6C6-4387-8E1F-1BBE3BB8EC96/J2020.2110.3.400-any.exe
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2110.3 (November 2021)
 
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
To download the latest release, visit the 
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2012.9 (December 2020)
 
The following is a list of improvements made between the August 2020 release and the December 2020 update.
 
list of 15 items
• In the 2020 December Update, we have included a fix that will help users of ZoomText and Fusion in the future when they uninstall that version yet continue
to use later versions. There was a problem in earlier 2020 versions where it was impacting shared components with other versions such as the most recent
release. We encourage anyone who still has the 2020 versions installed, to please update  now even if you are not currently using it.
• Fixed a long-standing issue in File Explorer where JAWS would often not announce the correct number of files in the current folder.
• JAWS now properly reads as expected in Skype when moving focus back to the app without the need to first press ALT and ESC.
• When launching the Skype app included in Windows 10, JAWS now loads the correct settings files.
• While in a Zoom meeting, you can now press CTRL+SHIFT+T to find out who is currently talking. Zoom recently added this option with CTRL+2 but we were
previously using it for a JAWS feature.
• Removed the announcement of Tutor Messages in Microsoft Office Ribbons as they were very verbose when attempting to navigate.
• Resolved an issue when selecting all text (CTRL+A) in  a large Word document. This action would cause JAWS to hang for several seconds.
• Addressed an issue in Word documents where JAWS was not announcing indentation increments when pressing TAB.
• Resolved an issue in Excel where JAWS was not reading the selected item in various combo boxes in the Font dialog box.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading the Auto  Complete options in the Chrome Address bar.
• Addressed an issue where same page links were not always working as expected in Chrome or Edge Chromium.
• Added five new Japanese voices to the Add/Remove Voices utility, which allows you to sample and download Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices for use with JAWS,
ZoomText, and Fusion.
• Resolved an issue with navigating to the configuration editor in Thunderbird Email when running JAWS or Fusion.
• Addressed reports of JAWS performance issues encountered after accessing the Start menu multiple times.
• Updated braille drivers provided by Papenmeire.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
hi mike and bill
do u have some download links that u can give me for jaws 2020/2021/2022
from stewart ross
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
Hi Bill,
I'll get to that one in a little bit.  LOL  LOL  
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
Hi All,
An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.
Download Link:
What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)
list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 



moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

Yes. It’s broken here too. It’s a bug at the moment. 

On Nov 22, 2021, at 20:38, Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

They actually broke picture smart in this release, which is  a feature I rely on extensively to check USPS mail. When you perform a insert space bar and letters P and Shift C, it says image is not a picture. This was working just fine.
 
I am going to try same in a mail app that is not Outlook and see if the experience is the same.
 
 
Rod,
 
 
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of stewartross via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
 
hi mike thanks for all the jaws downloads
from stew
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
 
Okay the latest download links for JAWS2021 & JAWS2022 have already been posted today, but below is the most recent download link for JAWS2020 + what's new.  This update is from a couple of weeks ago.
 
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
Below is the download link + what else is new in this release.
 
 
J2020.2110.3 32 & 64 bit:
 
https://jaws2020.vfo.digital/2020.2110.3.400/01BF761E-C6C6-4387-8E1F-1BBE3BB8EC96/J2020.2110.3.400-any.exe
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2110.3 (November 2021)
 
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
To download the latest release, visit the 
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2012.9 (December 2020)
 
The following is a list of improvements made between the August 2020 release and the December 2020 update.
 
list of 15 items
• In the 2020 December Update, we have included a fix that will help users of ZoomText and Fusion in the future when they uninstall that version yet continue
to use later versions. There was a problem in earlier 2020 versions where it was impacting shared components with other versions such as the most recent
release. We encourage anyone who still has the 2020 versions installed, to please update  now even if you are not currently using it.
• Fixed a long-standing issue in File Explorer where JAWS would often not announce the correct number of files in the current folder.
• JAWS now properly reads as expected in Skype when moving focus back to the app without the need to first press ALT and ESC.
• When launching the Skype app included in Windows 10, JAWS now loads the correct settings files.
• While in a Zoom meeting, you can now press CTRL+SHIFT+T to find out who is currently talking. Zoom recently added this option with CTRL+2 but we were
previously using it for a JAWS feature.
• Removed the announcement of Tutor Messages in Microsoft Office Ribbons as they were very verbose when attempting to navigate.
• Resolved an issue when selecting all text (CTRL+A) in  a large Word document. This action would cause JAWS to hang for several seconds.
• Addressed an issue in Word documents where JAWS was not announcing indentation increments when pressing TAB.
• Resolved an issue in Excel where JAWS was not reading the selected item in various combo boxes in the Font dialog box.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading the Auto  Complete options in the Chrome Address bar.
• Addressed an issue where same page links were not always working as expected in Chrome or Edge Chromium.
• Added five new Japanese voices to the Add/Remove Voices utility, which allows you to sample and download Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices for use with JAWS,
ZoomText, and Fusion.
• Resolved an issue with navigating to the configuration editor in Thunderbird Email when running JAWS or Fusion.
• Addressed reports of JAWS performance issues encountered after accessing the Start menu multiple times.
• Updated braille drivers provided by Papenmeire.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
 
hi mike and bill
do u have some download links that u can give me for jaws 2020/2021/2022
from stewart ross
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
 
Hi Bill,
 
I'll get to that one in a little bit.  LOL  LOL  
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
 
Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.
 
Bill White
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New
 
Hi All,
 
An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.
 
Download Link:
 
 
What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)
 
list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 



moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Rod
 

They actually broke picture smart in this release, which is  a feature I rely on extensively to check USPS mail. When you perform a insert space bar and letters P and Shift C, it says image is not a picture. This was working just fine.

 

I am going to try same in a mail app that is not Outlook and see if the experience is the same.

 

 

Rod,

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of stewartross via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

hi mike thanks for all the jaws downloads

from stew

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 9:01 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Okay the latest download links for JAWS2021 & JAWS2022 have already been posted today, but below is the most recent download link for JAWS2020 + what's new.  This update is from a couple of weeks ago.

 

For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
Below is the download link + what else is new in this release.
 
 
J2020.2110.3 32 & 64 bit:
 
https://jaws2020.vfo.digital/2020.2110.3.400/01BF761E-C6C6-4387-8E1F-1BBE3BB8EC96/J2020.2110.3.400-any.exe
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2110.3 (November 2021)
 
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2012.9 (December 2020)
 
The following is a list of improvements made between the August 2020 release and the December 2020 update.
 
list of 15 items
• In the 2020 December Update, we have included a fix that will help users of ZoomText and Fusion in the future when they uninstall that version yet continue
to use later versions. There was a problem in earlier 2020 versions where it was impacting shared components with other versions such as the most recent
release. We encourage anyone who still has the 2020 versions installed, to please update  now even if you are not currently using it.
• Fixed a long-standing issue in File Explorer where JAWS would often not announce the correct number of files in the current folder.
• JAWS now properly reads as expected in Skype when moving focus back to the app without the need to first press ALT and ESC.
• When launching the Skype app included in Windows 10, JAWS now loads the correct settings files.
• While in a Zoom meeting, you can now press CTRL+SHIFT+T to find out who is currently talking. Zoom recently added this option with CTRL+2 but we were
previously using it for a JAWS feature.
• Removed the announcement of Tutor Messages in Microsoft Office Ribbons as they were very verbose when attempting to navigate.
• Resolved an issue when selecting all text (CTRL+A) in  a large Word document. This action would cause JAWS to hang for several seconds.
• Addressed an issue in Word documents where JAWS was not announcing indentation increments when pressing TAB.
• Resolved an issue in Excel where JAWS was not reading the selected item in various combo boxes in the Font dialog box.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading the Auto  Complete options in the Chrome Address bar.
• Addressed an issue where same page links were not always working as expected in Chrome or Edge Chromium.
• Added five new Japanese voices to the Add/Remove Voices utility, which allows you to sample and download Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices for use with JAWS,
ZoomText, and Fusion.
• Resolved an issue with navigating to the configuration editor in Thunderbird Email when running JAWS or Fusion.
• Addressed reports of JAWS performance issues encountered after accessing the Start menu multiple times.
• Updated braille drivers provided by Papenmeire.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:34 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

hi mike and bill

do u have some download links that u can give me for jaws 2020/2021/2022

from stewart ross

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:31 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi Bill,

 

I'll get to that one in a little bit.  LOL  LOL 

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:20 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.

 

Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)

 

list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Mark
 

Udo, before posting I did tests on Firefox, Edge and Chrome.  I've repeated and pasted results here. Does it prove your theory? Edge certainly is chatty. 

Method
On this Canadian government page for Culture, history, and sport, I activated the Discover Parliament Hill link

Results
Here's the speech history for the three browsers after I activate the link. Notice how Chrome and Edge say the context of the source link.

Firefox
Parliament Hill - Canada.ca — Mozilla Firefox 
Parliament Hill - Canada.ca
Page has 9Regions, 19headings and 45links

Chrome
Culture, history and sport - Canada.ca
 heading level 3  Link Discover Parliament Hill
Parliament Hill - Canada.ca
Parliament Hill - Canada.ca
Page has 9Regions, 19headings and 45links

Edge
 MainRegion 
Discover Parliament Hill  heading level 3   this is a link  
Loading page
Loading complete
Discover Parliament Hill
 heading level 3  this is a link Discover Parliament Hill
Page has 9Regions, 19headings and 45links

 



moderated Jaws and Outlook question

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
Recently I've noticed that after Jaws reads the subject line of a message in my
inbox rather then just saying the time that the message arrived it now says the
day of the week, then the date and then the time, is there any way that I can
get it to only say the time that the message arrived (like it used to do)? Using
latest versions of Jaws, Office 365 and Windows 10. Really hope someone can help
me!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

stewartross <stewartross@...>
 

hi mike thanks for all the jaws downloads
from stew

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Okay the latest download links for JAWS2021 & JAWS2022 have already been posted today, but below is the most recent download link for JAWS2020 + what's new.  This update is from a couple of weeks ago.
 
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
Below is the download link + what else is new in this release.
 
 
J2020.2110.3 32 & 64 bit:
 
https://jaws2020.vfo.digital/2020.2110.3.400/01BF761E-C6C6-4387-8E1F-1BBE3BB8EC96/J2020.2110.3.400-any.exe
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2110.3 (November 2021)
 
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2012.9 (December 2020)
 
The following is a list of improvements made between the August 2020 release and the December 2020 update.
 
list of 15 items
• In the 2020 December Update, we have included a fix that will help users of ZoomText and Fusion in the future when they uninstall that version yet continue
to use later versions. There was a problem in earlier 2020 versions where it was impacting shared components with other versions such as the most recent
release. We encourage anyone who still has the 2020 versions installed, to please update  now even if you are not currently using it.
• Fixed a long-standing issue in File Explorer where JAWS would often not announce the correct number of files in the current folder.
• JAWS now properly reads as expected in Skype when moving focus back to the app without the need to first press ALT and ESC.
• When launching the Skype app included in Windows 10, JAWS now loads the correct settings files.
• While in a Zoom meeting, you can now press CTRL+SHIFT+T to find out who is currently talking. Zoom recently added this option with CTRL+2 but we were
previously using it for a JAWS feature.
• Removed the announcement of Tutor Messages in Microsoft Office Ribbons as they were very verbose when attempting to navigate.
• Resolved an issue when selecting all text (CTRL+A) in  a large Word document. This action would cause JAWS to hang for several seconds.
• Addressed an issue in Word documents where JAWS was not announcing indentation increments when pressing TAB.
• Resolved an issue in Excel where JAWS was not reading the selected item in various combo boxes in the Font dialog box.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading the Auto  Complete options in the Chrome Address bar.
• Addressed an issue where same page links were not always working as expected in Chrome or Edge Chromium.
• Added five new Japanese voices to the Add/Remove Voices utility, which allows you to sample and download Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices for use with JAWS,
ZoomText, and Fusion.
• Resolved an issue with navigating to the configuration editor in Thunderbird Email when running JAWS or Fusion.
• Addressed reports of JAWS performance issues encountered after accessing the Start menu multiple times.
• Updated braille drivers provided by Papenmeire.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

hi mike and bill
do u have some download links that u can give me for jaws 2020/2021/2022
from stewart ross
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Hi Bill,
 
I'll get to that one in a little bit.  LOL  LOL 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.

 

Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)

 

list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Mike B.
 

Okay the latest download links for JAWS2021 & JAWS2022 have already been posted today, but below is the most recent download link for JAWS2020 + what's new.  This update is from a couple of weeks ago.
 
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
Below is the download link + what else is new in this release.
 
 
J2020.2110.3 32 & 64 bit:
 
https://jaws2020.vfo.digital/2020.2110.3.400/01BF761E-C6C6-4387-8E1F-1BBE3BB8EC96/J2020.2110.3.400-any.exe
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2110.3 (November 2021)
 
For those who use the Tandem feature, this update is required if you need to establish a Tandem connection with JAWS or Fusion 2022 or higher.
 
To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2020.2012.9 (December 2020)
 
The following is a list of improvements made between the August 2020 release and the December 2020 update.
 
list of 15 items
• In the 2020 December Update, we have included a fix that will help users of ZoomText and Fusion in the future when they uninstall that version yet continue
to use later versions. There was a problem in earlier 2020 versions where it was impacting shared components with other versions such as the most recent
release. We encourage anyone who still has the 2020 versions installed, to please update  now even if you are not currently using it.
• Fixed a long-standing issue in File Explorer where JAWS would often not announce the correct number of files in the current folder.
• JAWS now properly reads as expected in Skype when moving focus back to the app without the need to first press ALT and ESC.
• When launching the Skype app included in Windows 10, JAWS now loads the correct settings files.
• While in a Zoom meeting, you can now press CTRL+SHIFT+T to find out who is currently talking. Zoom recently added this option with CTRL+2 but we were
previously using it for a JAWS feature.
• Removed the announcement of Tutor Messages in Microsoft Office Ribbons as they were very verbose when attempting to navigate.
• Resolved an issue when selecting all text (CTRL+A) in  a large Word document. This action would cause JAWS to hang for several seconds.
• Addressed an issue in Word documents where JAWS was not announcing indentation increments when pressing TAB.
• Resolved an issue in Excel where JAWS was not reading the selected item in various combo boxes in the Font dialog box.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading the Auto  Complete options in the Chrome Address bar.
• Addressed an issue where same page links were not always working as expected in Chrome or Edge Chromium.
• Added five new Japanese voices to the Add/Remove Voices utility, which allows you to sample and download Vocalizer Expressive 2 voices for use with JAWS,
ZoomText, and Fusion.
• Resolved an issue with navigating to the configuration editor in Thunderbird Email when running JAWS or Fusion.
• Addressed reports of JAWS performance issues encountered after accessing the Start menu multiple times.
• Updated braille drivers provided by Papenmeire.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

hi mike and bill
do u have some download links that u can give me for jaws 2020/2021/2022
from stewart ross
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Hi Bill,
 
I'll get to that one in a little bit.  LOL  LOL 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.

 

Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)

 

list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated JAWS2021 Update, Build 2111.13, Direct Download Link + What's New

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
Okay this update is for JAWS2021.  The build release for today is 2111.13, and what's new in this release is below along with the direct download link.
 
 
Download Link:
 
 

What's New:
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2021.2111.13 (November 22, 2021)
 
The following is a list of improvements made between the November 9, 2021 release and the November 22, 2021 update.
list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS and Fusion were too verbose when alt tabbing between applications after installing our prior November 2021 update.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

stewartross <stewartross@...>
 

hi mike and bill
do u have some download links that u can give me for jaws 2020/2021/2022
from stewart ross

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Hi Bill,
 
I'll get to that one in a little bit.  LOL  LOL 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.

 

Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)

 

list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Mike B.
 

Hi Bill,
 
I'll get to that one in a little bit.  LOL  LOL 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.

 

Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)

 

list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Bill White
 

Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.

 

Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)

 

list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.
 
Download Link:
 
 
What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)
 
list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Bill White
 

Hi, again, Mario. Udo could also have been referring to the following JAWS setting, which is found in Miscellaneous in JAWS Settings Center, but only when changing the default JAWS configuration,
Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

could the setting you're referring too is "Ignore Inline Frames" which
can be unchecked?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
[mailto:udo.egnerwalter@...]
Subject: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?
Date: Monday, November 22, 2021, 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Hi Mark,

the reason JAWS is speaking some strings twice is as follows:

JAWS uses some framework to gather information like the page title.Since
a few years there's a new framework called UIA. JAWS hooks itself in the
UIA framework and gets the information there. But the old one still
exists and this is reason some things are spoken twice. And because UIA
has a lot of information (at least in Microsoft Edge) JAWS is quite
chatty there.

As far as I know there's a setting to disable the new UIA methods. Since
I haven't an English version of JAWS I can't remember the exact name. I
think it was something like "UIA" or "Automation". But if you disable
the checkbox JAWS doesn't announce the UIA messages like the one if a
download was completed.

To proof if I'm right with my suspicion you can use Firefox, since
Firefox doesn't use UIA. Edge is the browser which uses UIA most
followed by the browser which use Chromium as a base (Google Chrome,
Brave and so on).

Hope this helps
Udo





Am 22.11.2021 um 01:56 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...
<mailto:mweiler@...>>:

I'm not sure about that Bill. I made a test HTML page with just a link
to a second page and it's seems just as chatty.


moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Bill White
 

Hi, Mario. No I think he is referring to
Enable Accessible Notification Events
This setting is in JAWS Settings>Miscellaneous.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

could the setting you're referring too is "Ignore Inline Frames" which
can be unchecked?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
[mailto:udo.egnerwalter@...]
Subject: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?
Date: Monday, November 22, 2021, 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Hi Mark,

the reason JAWS is speaking some strings twice is as follows:

JAWS uses some framework to gather information like the page title.Since
a few years there's a new framework called UIA. JAWS hooks itself in the
UIA framework and gets the information there. But the old one still
exists and this is reason some things are spoken twice. And because UIA
has a lot of information (at least in Microsoft Edge) JAWS is quite
chatty there.

As far as I know there's a setting to disable the new UIA methods. Since
I haven't an English version of JAWS I can't remember the exact name. I
think it was something like "UIA" or "Automation". But if you disable
the checkbox JAWS doesn't announce the UIA messages like the one if a
download was completed.

To proof if I'm right with my suspicion you can use Firefox, since
Firefox doesn't use UIA. Edge is the browser which uses UIA most
followed by the browser which use Chromium as a base (Google Chrome,
Brave and so on).

Hope this helps
Udo





Am 22.11.2021 um 01:56 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...
<mailto:mweiler@...>>:

I'm not sure about that Bill. I made a test HTML page with just a link
to a second page and it's seems just as chatty.


moderated Re: File explorer is upside-down

Shirley Tracy
 

Thank you. A few people on the list have already answered, and it’s working fine now. But I appreciate your help. Thanks.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: File explorer is upside-down

 

Hi,

 

From the list of files, tab once to Name and press space or enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: 21 November 2021 00:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: File explorer is upside-down

 

Good evening everyone,

 

Suddenly, the items in file explorer are in reverse order—Beginning with Z and ending with A. I don’t like this because I’m not used to it. How can I reverse it back? I don’t know how it ended up this way.

 

Thank you for any help.

 

Shirley

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 


moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Mario
 

could the setting you're referring too is "Ignore Inline Frames" which can be unchecked?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter@...]
Subject: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?
Date: Monday, November 22, 2021, 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Hi Mark,

the reason JAWS is speaking some strings twice is as follows:

JAWS uses some framework to gather information like the page title.Since
a few years there's a new framework called UIA. JAWS hooks itself in the
UIA framework and gets the information there. But the old one still
exists and this is reason some things are spoken twice. And because UIA
has a lot of information (at least in Microsoft Edge) JAWS is quite
chatty there.

As far as I know there's a setting to disable the new UIA methods. Since
I haven't an English version of JAWS I can't remember the exact name. I
think it was something like "UIA" or "Automation". But if you disable
the checkbox JAWS doesn't announce the UIA messages like the one if a
download was completed.

To proof if I'm right with my suspicion you can use Firefox, since
Firefox doesn't use UIA. Edge is the browser which uses UIA most
followed by the browser which use Chromium as a base (Google Chrome,
Brave and so on).

Hope this helps
Udo





Am 22.11.2021 um 01:56 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...
<mailto:mweiler@...>>:

I'm not sure about that Bill. I made a test HTML page with just a link
to a second page and it's seems just as chatty.

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