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moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Mike B.
 

Hi Bill,
 
I'll get to that one in a little bit.  LOL  LOL 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.

 

Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)

 

list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated Re: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Bill White
 

Hi, Mike. I also saw basically the same update for JAWS 2021 this morning.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:15 PM
To: JList
Subject: JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.

 

Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)

 

list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated JAWS2022.2110.60 Update Download Link + What's New

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
An update for Jaws 2022 build 2110.60 was released and below is the download link + what's new in this release.
 
Download Link:
 
 
What's New:

Enhancements in JAWS 2022.2110.60 (November 2021)
 
list of 2 items
• An issue was discovered with the most recent November ninth update for Windows causing installation problems for many customers attempting to update
our software. Installing this latest update through Check for Updates, or downloading and installing the full version, resolves this issue.
• Resolved an issue where the Auto Migration from version 2021 or 2020 to 2022 was failing for many customers using non-English versions.
list end
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Bill White
 

Hi, again, Mario. Udo could also have been referring to the following JAWS setting, which is found in Miscellaneous in JAWS Settings Center, but only when changing the default JAWS configuration,
Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture

Bill White

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

could the setting you're referring too is "Ignore Inline Frames" which
can be unchecked?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
[mailto:udo.egnerwalter@...]
Subject: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?
Date: Monday, November 22, 2021, 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Hi Mark,

the reason JAWS is speaking some strings twice is as follows:

JAWS uses some framework to gather information like the page title.Since
a few years there's a new framework called UIA. JAWS hooks itself in the
UIA framework and gets the information there. But the old one still
exists and this is reason some things are spoken twice. And because UIA
has a lot of information (at least in Microsoft Edge) JAWS is quite
chatty there.

As far as I know there's a setting to disable the new UIA methods. Since
I haven't an English version of JAWS I can't remember the exact name. I
think it was something like "UIA" or "Automation". But if you disable
the checkbox JAWS doesn't announce the UIA messages like the one if a
download was completed.

To proof if I'm right with my suspicion you can use Firefox, since
Firefox doesn't use UIA. Edge is the browser which uses UIA most
followed by the browser which use Chromium as a base (Google Chrome,
Brave and so on).

Hope this helps
Udo





Am 22.11.2021 um 01:56 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...
<mailto:mweiler@...>>:

I'm not sure about that Bill. I made a test HTML page with just a link
to a second page and it's seems just as chatty.


moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Bill White
 

Hi, Mario. No I think he is referring to
Enable Accessible Notification Events
This setting is in JAWS Settings>Miscellaneous.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

could the setting you're referring too is "Ignore Inline Frames" which
can be unchecked?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
[mailto:udo.egnerwalter@...]
Subject: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?
Date: Monday, November 22, 2021, 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Hi Mark,

the reason JAWS is speaking some strings twice is as follows:

JAWS uses some framework to gather information like the page title.Since
a few years there's a new framework called UIA. JAWS hooks itself in the
UIA framework and gets the information there. But the old one still
exists and this is reason some things are spoken twice. And because UIA
has a lot of information (at least in Microsoft Edge) JAWS is quite
chatty there.

As far as I know there's a setting to disable the new UIA methods. Since
I haven't an English version of JAWS I can't remember the exact name. I
think it was something like "UIA" or "Automation". But if you disable
the checkbox JAWS doesn't announce the UIA messages like the one if a
download was completed.

To proof if I'm right with my suspicion you can use Firefox, since
Firefox doesn't use UIA. Edge is the browser which uses UIA most
followed by the browser which use Chromium as a base (Google Chrome,
Brave and so on).

Hope this helps
Udo





Am 22.11.2021 um 01:56 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...
<mailto:mweiler@...>>:

I'm not sure about that Bill. I made a test HTML page with just a link
to a second page and it's seems just as chatty.


moderated Re: File explorer is upside-down

Shirley Tracy
 

Thank you. A few people on the list have already answered, and it’s working fine now. But I appreciate your help. Thanks.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: File explorer is upside-down

 

Hi,

 

From the list of files, tab once to Name and press space or enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: 21 November 2021 00:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: File explorer is upside-down

 

Good evening everyone,

 

Suddenly, the items in file explorer are in reverse order—Beginning with Z and ending with A. I don’t like this because I’m not used to it. How can I reverse it back? I don’t know how it ended up this way.

 

Thank you for any help.

 

Shirley

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 


moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Mario
 

could the setting you're referring too is "Ignore Inline Frames" which can be unchecked?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter@...]
Subject: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?
Date: Monday, November 22, 2021, 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Hi Mark,

the reason JAWS is speaking some strings twice is as follows:

JAWS uses some framework to gather information like the page title.Since
a few years there's a new framework called UIA. JAWS hooks itself in the
UIA framework and gets the information there. But the old one still
exists and this is reason some things are spoken twice. And because UIA
has a lot of information (at least in Microsoft Edge) JAWS is quite
chatty there.

As far as I know there's a setting to disable the new UIA methods. Since
I haven't an English version of JAWS I can't remember the exact name. I
think it was something like "UIA" or "Automation". But if you disable
the checkbox JAWS doesn't announce the UIA messages like the one if a
download was completed.

To proof if I'm right with my suspicion you can use Firefox, since
Firefox doesn't use UIA. Edge is the browser which uses UIA most
followed by the browser which use Chromium as a base (Google Chrome,
Brave and so on).

Hope this helps
Udo





Am 22.11.2021 um 01:56 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...
<mailto:mweiler@...>>:

I'm not sure about that Bill. I made a test HTML page with just a link
to a second page and it's seems just as chatty.


moderated Re: Jaws 2021 and OCR component not install

James Lockwood
 

Yes it did work at least it did last week. For some reason however after I installed Kurz well now I’m back to OCR component not installed. I have subsequently removed all the programs jaws open book, and Kurzwell and just installed jaws and it’s still saying component not installed. By the way, calling Freedom Scientific is a waste of time. Last week their suggestion was to run Windows update. This week they tell me adobe DC professional PDF reader will cause an error and that you have to use the free Adobe reader. So I uninstalled professional DC and installed the free Adobe reader, still same error. And I know that DC professional works withAnd I know that DC professional works with it because it did and still does on my prior windows machine. And despite the fact that jaws, downloads or at least it’s supposed to, the OCR component from one of their servers, there’s no way they can get you a link to download just that item. This is entirely unacceptable. The customer service is a farce. I think they flip a coin or pull a number out of a hat to determine what to tell you to do next so you get off the phone.

On Nov 16, 2021, at 11:23 PM, James Rinehart <jrinehart@...> wrote:

Hi Jim

I install Jaws first as well. Bill’s suggestion helps.

Jim
On Nov 16, 2021, at 11:10 PM, James Lockwood <lockwoodnd@...> wrote:

Yes. My computer was online. I have Jaws 2020 2021 and 2022. I use the offline file, and the online smaller file. When I write and click and do OCR with jaws it simply says component is not installed. I’ve even turned off all the security through windows firewall etc. Still, component not installed. I also tried repair. On all three. No difference

On Nov 16, 2021, at 7:16 PM, Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...> wrote:

Greetings:

The install requires you to be online. I assume you were?

With JAWS 2022, the OCR component was installed when I invoked an OCR
function. But, of course, I understand you to be using JAWS 2021. Can you
run a repair while ensuring your computer is online?

Regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2021 and OCR component not install

I recently built a new computer. I have windows 10 professional. I installed
open book 9, the latest version. I then installed Jaws 2021 from the
off-line 1.3 GB installation file. But, the OCR component is not installed.
that is what I keep getting told whenever I try to OCR a PDF. I called
Support and all they told me was make sure windows is up-to-date. That is
pretty infuriating. I have sent try to remove jars, completely along with
all shared components and then reinstalled it. No different. I have
installed all my previous versions of jaws, 2018, 2019, 2020 while also
having 2021 on the computer, still, OCR component not installed. Any help
much appreciated















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moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Mark, 

the reason JAWS is speaking some strings twice is as follows: 

JAWS uses some framework to gather information like the page title.Since a few years there's a new framework called UIA. JAWS hooks itself in the UIA framework and gets the information there. But the old one still exists and this is reason some things are spoken twice. And because UIA has a lot of information (at least in Microsoft Edge) JAWS is quite chatty there. 

As far as I know there's a setting to disable the new UIA methods. Since I haven't an English version of JAWS I can't remember the exact name. I think it was something like "UIA" or "Automation". But if you disable the checkbox JAWS doesn't announce the UIA messages like the one if a download was completed. 

To proof if I'm right with my suspicion you can use Firefox, since Firefox doesn't use UIA. Edge is the browser which uses UIA most followed by the browser which use Chromium as a base (Google Chrome, Brave and so on). 

Hope this helps
Udo  





Am 22.11.2021 um 01:56 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...>:

I'm not sure about that Bill. I made a test HTML page with just a link to a second page and it's seems just as chatty. 


moderated Re: File explorer is upside-down

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

From the list of files, tab once to Name and press space or enter.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: 21 November 2021 00:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: File explorer is upside-down

 

Good evening everyone,

 

Suddenly, the items in file explorer are in reverse order—Beginning with Z and ending with A. I don’t like this because I’m not used to it. How can I reverse it back? I don’t know how it ended up this way.

 

Thank you for any help.

 

Shirley

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 


moderated Re: braille writer

Bill Tessore
 

I tried looking for a non-electric Mount Batten braille writer that I mentioned earlier. But I too found no such device. I DID find an electronic device suitable for braille learners and even professional braille users. So it seems the manufacturers have abandoned the electricity independent model for its technologically advanced progenitor. I apologize for the confusion.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@...


On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:24 PM, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:


I did look up from internet and all I can see is for learning for kids
 

Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: braille writer

Isn’t there still a company that makes the Mountbatten braille writer? i’ve seen some before, and it’s my understanding they do the same thing and are built primarily the same too.

Shalom,


Bill Tessore


On Nov 21, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



You really have only one choice and that is the Perkins Braille Writer. I don’t think you are looking for the electric one.

 

You can find brand new ones at Perkins Store. Price is around $900.00

 

Here is the web URL to the Perkins Store for Braille Writers:

https://brailler.perkins.org/pages/perkins-brailler

 

You can find people selling secondhand Perkins Braillers ranging in price from around $250.00 and I have seen some going for as high as $400.00. Ads are usually found on blindads a listserv found on groups.io, and you can find ads in the Braille Forum from the American Council of the Blind and the Braille Monitor from the National Federation of the Blind.

 

HTH

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: braille writer

 

Hi Roseie here...

I hope I can ask this kind of question

do anyone know whick kind is best to buy good braille writer?

just manual

thanks


moderated Re: Fw: [blind-t] Fw: [blind-hams] weather plus addon for nvda

 

Remember that an NVDA Add-On is the functional equivalent of a JAWS script.

NVDA itself does not support this natively, it's an add-on that does.  That's not hair splitting, either.  Were someone to wish to create a JAWS script for this function, they could.

It appears that someone has, but it's not free, as Hartgen includes Weather as part of its J-Say script, but J-Say goes well beyond just that functionality.
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moderated Re: Help Using JAWS to delete Blue Mountain Contact

Bill White
 

Hi, Rick. I have had a similar problem with an "OK" button on Google Voice. This is what I did to invoke the "OK" button.

1. Check the check box next to the address you want to delete as you did before.

2. Find the "OK" button.

3. Route the PC Cursor to the JAWS Cursor with either JAWS key plus the plus key on the NumPad, or with CAPSLOCK plus the apostrophe key when JAWS is in Laptop Keyboard Mode.

4. Press ENTER after performing step 3.

5. Refresh the screen as Mike B suggested with JAWS key plus ESCAPE.

6. Check to see if the address has been deleted.

 

Please let us know if either Mike B's suggestion or my suggestion was successful in allowing you to delete the address.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:46 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Help Using JAWS to delete Blue Mountain Contact

 

Dear Listers:

 

Are any of you familiar with the Blue Mountain e-card service?  It has e-cards for birthdays, anniversaries, etc.  It also has an addressbook where you can store all your contacts.  My problem is deleting a contact from the addressbook.  The directions say that if you want to delete someone, check the contact and then hit the Delete button at the top of the page.  I have multiple addresses for one contact and I am trying to delete one of them.  When I check the box next to the address I want to delete there appears a notice to delete selected.  I hit the Enter key and a dialog pops up.  At the very bottom of the page there is an OK button.  I hit the Enter key on it but the address I want to delete will not go away.  If any of you out there have used Blue Mountain, can you give me some help and advice.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: Help Using JAWS to delete Blue Mountain Contact

Mike B.
 

I've never used Blue Mountain, but if you're using one of the chromium browsers, refresh the screen after clicking the appropriate buttons to see if that helps.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 2:46 PM
Subject: Help Using JAWS to delete Blue Mountain Contact

Dear Listers:

 

Are any of you familiar with the Blue Mountain e-card service?  It has e-cards for birthdays, anniversaries, etc.  It also has an addressbook where you can store all your contacts.  My problem is deleting a contact from the addressbook.  The directions say that if you want to delete someone, check the contact and then hit the Delete button at the top of the page.  I have multiple addresses for one contact and I am trying to delete one of them.  When I check the box next to the address I want to delete there appears a notice to delete selected.  I hit the Enter key and a dialog pops up.  At the very bottom of the page there is an OK button.  I hit the Enter key on it but the address I want to delete will not go away.  If any of you out there have used Blue Mountain, can you give me some help and advice.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Fw: [blind-t] Fw: [blind-hams] weather plus addon for nvda

Glenn / Lenny
 

This is pretty cool, it works well.
I wish Jaws had a weather feature.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Butch-tiny puppy" To: Sunday, November

I just stumbled across this weather add on for nvda. I also run
window-eyes and liked their weather script. This weather plus
addon for nvda is very configurable and really cool.

I got it here.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/Weather_Plus.en.html
Sorry, don't know why it puts it on two lines.


moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Mark
 

I'm not sure about that Bill. I made a test HTML page with just a link to a second page and it's seems just as chatty. 


moderated Help Using JAWS to delete Blue Mountain Contact

Rick Miller
 

Dear Listers:

 

Are any of you familiar with the Blue Mountain e-card service?  It has e-cards for birthdays, anniversaries, etc.  It also has an addressbook where you can store all your contacts.  My problem is deleting a contact from the addressbook.  The directions say that if you want to delete someone, check the contact and then hit the Delete button at the top of the page.  I have multiple addresses for one contact and I am trying to delete one of them.  When I check the box next to the address I want to delete there appears a notice to delete selected.  I hit the Enter key and a dialog pops up.  At the very bottom of the page there is an OK button.  I hit the Enter key on it but the address I want to delete will not go away.  If any of you out there have used Blue Mountain, can you give me some help and advice.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Bill White
 

Hi, Mark. It usually has to do with bad programming of the web page. The extra verbiage is usually voicing code from images on the web page.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

 

With some webpages, when I click a link and the new page is loaded, JAWS is quite chatty. In some cases, some of the HTML context from the source page is spoken.  I've tried lowering web verbosity and regular verbosity levels, but it doesn't do anything. Does anyone know why?

For example, on this culture, history, and sport page from the government of Canada, I press enter on the History and heritage link, the title of the current window is spoken, then the heading and link, then the destination page twice. Here's the speech history

Culture, history and sport - Canada.ca

 heading level 3‑  Link‑ History and heritage

History and heritage - Canada.ca

History and heritage - Canada.ca

Page has 9Regions, 25headings and 60links


moderated Loading a webpage, why is JAWS chatty?

Mark
 

With some webpages, when I click a link and the new page is loaded, JAWS is quite chatty. In some cases, some of the HTML context from the source page is spoken.  I've tried lowering web verbosity and regular verbosity levels, but it doesn't do anything. Does anyone know why?

For example, on this culture, history, and sport page from the government of Canada, I press enter on the History and heritage link, the title of the current window is spoken, then the heading and link, then the destination page twice. Here's the speech history

Culture, history and sport - Canada.ca
 heading level 3  Link History and heritage
History and heritage - Canada.ca
History and heritage - Canada.ca
Page has 9Regions, 25headings and 60links


moderated Re: braille writer

meow meow
 

I did look up from internet and all I can see is for learning for kids
 

Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: braille writer

Isn’t there still a company that makes the Mountbatten braille writer? i’ve seen some before, and it’s my understanding they do the same thing and are built primarily the same too.

Shalom,


Bill Tessore


On Nov 21, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



You really have only one choice and that is the Perkins Braille Writer. I don’t think you are looking for the electric one.

 

You can find brand new ones at Perkins Store. Price is around $900.00

 

Here is the web URL to the Perkins Store for Braille Writers:

https://brailler.perkins.org/pages/perkins-brailler

 

You can find people selling secondhand Perkins Braillers ranging in price from around $250.00 and I have seen some going for as high as $400.00. Ads are usually found on blindads a listserv found on groups.io, and you can find ads in the Braille Forum from the American Council of the Blind and the Braille Monitor from the National Federation of the Blind.

 

HTH

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: braille writer

 

Hi Roseie here...

I hope I can ask this kind of question

do anyone know whick kind is best to buy good braille writer?

just manual

thanks

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