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moderated Re: Extra Verbiage in the November 2021 JAWS 2021 Update When Using Alt+Tab to Cycle Between All Running Applications

Curtis Chong
 

I have been able to duplicate the problem, but the excessive wording happens once only.

 

I can live with it.

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2021 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Extra Verbiage in the November 2021 JAWS 2021 Update When Using Alt+Tab to Cycle Between All Running Applications

 

I’m not sure if others have noticed this problem. I will say that this does not affect any of the JAWS 2022 betas or the final version.

With the latest update for JAWS 2021 I am noticing some extra wording when holding down the alt key and repeatedly pressing the tab key to navigate through running applications. When you first press this key combination JAWS will say “”task switching, running applications list box.” I have noticed this behavior on two different computers, both of which are running Windows 10 version 21 H1.

This behavior does not occur if you press and then release alt+tab to open the last application which had focus.

I have reported this to Vispero support but they were unable to duplicate the problem.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 


moderated Extra Verbiage in the November 2021 JAWS 2021 Update When Using Alt+Tab to Cycle Between All Running Applications

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I’m not sure if others have noticed this problem. I will say that this does not affect any of the JAWS 2022 betas or the final version.

With the latest update for JAWS 2021 I am noticing some extra wording when holding down the alt key and repeatedly pressing the tab key to navigate through running applications. When you first press this key combination JAWS will say “”task switching, running applications list box.” I have noticed this behavior on two different computers, both of which are running Windows 10 version 21 H1.

This behavior does not occur if you press and then release alt+tab to open the last application which had focus.

I have reported this to Vispero support but they were unable to duplicate the problem.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 


moderated Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Ann Byrne
 

One thing that can interfere with the Focus display is the windows Braille driver. Under Narrator settings, locate the braille options and be sure the Windows driver is *not selected and that the Focus driver *is! Sometimes this requires a bit of tinkering. You have to choose either the windows driver or the Focus driver; and the Focus is really cranky about it.

good luck!

At 08:50 AM 11/13/2021, you wrote:
Hi all this is a good topic since I am going to I hope get a focus 40 in the future so this topic is interesting to me. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: November 13, 2021 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Another question. Have you used the braille display with Narrator?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2021 13:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Is this the first time you are trying to connect the Focus display via USB?

Have you tried using other USB ports on your computer?

Are you using the supplied cable which has a USB C connector and the other end a standard USB connector.

Have you made the changes for assigning JAWS to the USB port in the Options, Braille Display settings?

We cannot help if you don't provide us as much information about your system and operating system. This is a mistake that many are making when asking questions like yours.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of betina vega
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Hello, everyone:

I am having an issue connecting my Focus 40 Braille display to my computer using the USB port.
I am using JAWS 2022. I have tried various suggestions from the internet, but they do not work.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Betina Vega





















moderated Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Mich Verrier
 

Hi all this is a good topic since I am going to I hope get a focus 40 in the future so this topic is interesting to me. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: November 13, 2021 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Another question. Have you used the braille display with Narrator?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2021 13:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Is this the first time you are trying to connect the Focus display via USB?

Have you tried using other USB ports on your computer?

Are you using the supplied cable which has a USB C connector and the other end a standard USB connector.

Have you made the changes for assigning JAWS to the USB port in the Options, Braille Display settings?

We cannot help if you don't provide us as much information about your system and operating system. This is a mistake that many are making when asking questions like yours.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of betina vega
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Hello, everyone:

I am having an issue connecting my Focus 40 Braille display to my computer using the USB port.
I am using JAWS 2022. I have tried various suggestions from the internet, but they do not work.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Betina Vega


moderated Re: Creating folders

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Was your current list of folders in focus when you tried this? It works the same for me as it always has, running Windows 10 with JAWS 2022.

If I put focus on a notepad document and then hit control shift n, it brought up another instance of Notepad.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2021 10:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating folders

Out of curiosity I did the control shift N, command, it brought up note. Meaning instead of it letting me create a new folder, it put me in the create note function.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: November 13, 2021 7:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating folders

No change happened to that function.
If a PC restart didn't help, try the fixes in the linked webpage.
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthegeekpage.com%2Ffix-cant-create-new-folder-in-windows-10%2F&;data=04%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Cdf377ad5470a40b84c5108d9a6b9c7e3%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637724139117248613%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=h%2B9WPgt441ZrqdnFo2SRLD77QvY%2BEq6kOtpqybsY4iY%3D&amp;reserved=0
TC

On 11/13/21, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I
use to press control shift N to create a folder on my laptop. For some
reason today I cannot. Has the method to create a folder in windows10 changed?
Thanks, Kevin







moderated Re: Creating folders

Jeff Christiansen
 

I might try Alt+2

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2021 8:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating folders

What application were you in when you did this? If you down arrow, do you
have additional choices for new items? If you are in your documents list, do
you get the same results?

At 09:25 AM 11/13/2021, you wrote:
Out of curiosity I did the control shift N, command, it brought up
note. Meaning instead of it letting me create a new folder, it put me
in the create note function.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: November 13, 2021 7:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating folders

No change happened to that function.
If a PC restart didn't help, try the fixes in the linked webpage.
https://thegeekpage.com/fix-cant-create-new-folder-in-windows-10/
TC

On 11/13/21, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021.
I use to press control shift N to create a folder on my laptop. For
some reason today I cannot. Has the method to create a folder in
windows10 changed?
Thanks, Kevin












moderated Re: Creating folders

Ann Byrne
 

What application were you in when you did this? If you down arrow, do you have additional choices for new items? If you are in your documents list, do you get the same results?

At 09:25 AM 11/13/2021, you wrote:
Out of curiosity I did the control shift N, command, it brought up note. Meaning instead of it letting me create a new folder, it put me in the create note function.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: November 13, 2021 7:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating folders

No change happened to that function.
If a PC restart didn't help, try the fixes in the linked webpage.
https://thegeekpage.com/fix-cant-create-new-folder-in-windows-10/
TC

On 11/13/21, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I
use to press control shift N to create a folder on my laptop. For some
reason today I cannot. Has the method to create a folder in
windows10 changed?
Thanks, Kevin












moderated Re: Creating folders

Hareth
 

How about trying :
close any opened apps like outlook or office apps ETC, go to the desk
top, or any other directory where you need to create the new folder
within, then do the hotkey for the new folder creation.
TC

On 11/13/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:
Out of curiosity I did the control shift N, command, it brought up note.
Meaning instead of it letting me create a new folder, it put me in the
create note function.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: November 13, 2021 7:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating folders

No change happened to that function.
If a PC restart didn't help, try the fixes in the linked webpage.
https://thegeekpage.com/fix-cant-create-new-folder-in-windows-10/
TC

On 11/13/21, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I
use to press control shift N to create a folder on my laptop. For some
reason today I cannot. Has the method to create a folder in windows10
changed?
Thanks, Kevin
















moderated Re: Creating folders

David Diamond
 

Out of curiosity I did the control shift N, command, it brought up note. Meaning instead of it letting me create a new folder, it put me in the create note function.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: November 13, 2021 7:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating folders

No change happened to that function.
If a PC restart didn't help, try the fixes in the linked webpage.
https://thegeekpage.com/fix-cant-create-new-folder-in-windows-10/
TC

On 11/13/21, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I
use to press control shift N to create a folder on my laptop. For some
reason today I cannot. Has the method to create a folder in windows10 changed?
Thanks, Kevin







moderated Re: Creating folders

Hareth
 

No change happened to that function.
If a PC restart didn't help, try the fixes in the linked webpage.
https://thegeekpage.com/fix-cant-create-new-folder-in-windows-10/
TC

On 11/13/21, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I use
to press control shift N to create a folder on my laptop. For some reason
today I cannot. Has the method to create a folder in windows10 changed?
Thanks, Kevin







moderated Creating folders

kevin meyers
 

Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10 and Jaws2021. I use to press control shift N to create a folder on my laptop. For some reason today I cannot. Has the method to create a folder in windows10 changed? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Life in Six Dots
 

Another question. Have you used the braille display with Narrator?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2021 13:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Is this the first time you are trying to connect the Focus display via USB?

Have you tried using other USB ports on your computer?

Are you using the supplied cable which has a USB C connector and the other end a standard USB connector.

Have you made the changes for assigning JAWS to the USB port in the Options, Braille Display settings?

We cannot help if you don't provide us as much information about your system and operating system. This is a mistake that many are making when asking questions like yours.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of betina vega
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Hello, everyone:

I am having an issue connecting my Focus 40 Braille display to my computer using the USB port.
I am using JAWS 2022. I have tried various suggestions from the internet, but they do not work.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Betina Vega


moderated Re: Special Update Code in About JAWS screen

Cohn, Jonathan
 

I believe this is for support to provide you a temporary fix to an issue when you are working with them.


On Nov 12, 2021, at 17:20, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Does anyone know what the "Special Update Code is used for, which is found in the About JAWS screen? When I pressed the button dedicated to the Special Update Code, the only character in the edit box was zero.
 
Bill White
 
 


moderated Re: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Milton Ota
 

Is this the first time you are trying to connect the Focus display via USB?

Have you tried using other USB ports on your computer?

Are you using the supplied cable which has a USB C connector and the other end a standard USB connector.

Have you made the changes for assigning JAWS to the USB port in the Options, Braille Display settings?

We cannot help if you don't provide us as much information about your system and operating system. This is a mistake that many are making when asking questions like yours.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of betina vega
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

Hello, everyone:

I am having an issue connecting my Focus 40 Braille display to my computer using the USB port.
I am using JAWS 2022. I have tried various suggestions from the internet, but they do not work.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Betina Vega


moderated focus 40 blu braille display not connection to JAWS

betina vega
 

Hello, everyone:

I am having an issue connecting my Focus 40 Braille display to my
computer using the USB port.
I am using JAWS 2022. I have tried various suggestions from the
internet, but they do not work.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,
Betina Vega


moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:53 PM, David Diamond wrote:
Ah, however, I’ve lost track of how often I’ve heard the term, “That has nothing to do with JAWS, it is a windows command.”  I did not know that, so was glad for the correction.  Obviously if I did not know something, I can hardly be faulted.
-
David,

Of course, that can happen.  But I chose the example I did for a reason.  Have you ever known of a screen reader command, and I mean exactly that, which handles text formatting?  I've never encountered one, and with a few moments' thought anyone formulating that sort of question would likely realize it, too.

I do not presume that the members of any of these groups is not capable of pausing, for a moment, and reflecting upon what area their question is likely about.  And in almost all cases it's one of three categories:  The screen reader, Windows, or a given application program.   And it's pretty obvious in the majority of cases which is really being asked about.

The problem is that many don't want to have to think about exactly what it is they're asking about.  That's a problem, and the following quotation gives a clear indication of why:

Most problems precisely defined are already partially solved.

         ~ Harry Lorayne, Memory Makes Money

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Bolding Text Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi David,
Control B will bold whatever is highlighted, and if nothing is highlighted, I think it will stay bold until you do control B again.
That is not a Jaws command though, it is a word command.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

The question, "How do I turn on bold formatting on selected text in MS-Word with JAWS?," is not, in any way, shape, or form, about JAWS.  It's about Word and a keyboard shortcut it uses regardless of whether a screen reader is involved or not.  Ah, however, I’ve lost track of how often I’ve heard the term, “That has nothing to do with JAWS, it is a windows command.â€�  I did not know that, so was glad for the correction.  Obviously if I did not know something, I can hardly be faulted.   Smile. The one thing I have learned is there are several ways to get to the home screen, as they say, all roads lead to Rome.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 12, 2021 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I've noticed on the over moderated Jaws list, people will have general windows questions, or about a program, but feel as though they have to include how to do something with Jaws, even though it is not really a Jaws question, just to have the question be considered a Jaws question.

That is the result of over moderation.

-
No, it's not.  It's the result of not thinking about what you're asking about.

On every screen reader group I've participated in there are members who think that a question about some given piece of software, with the phrase "with {insert screen reader name here}," makes it a screen reader related question.  It isn't.

If you want to know the keyboard shortcuts or other information about an MS-Office program, web browser, media player, and the list goes on and on that's an entirely separate issue from how to use any given screen reader on top of it.   It is incumbent on those asking questions to actually think about what it is, really, the question pertains to.  Tacking on, "with {insert screen reader name here}," doesn't magically make it about the screen reader.  The question, "How do I turn on bold formatting on selected text in MS-Word with JAWS?," is not, in any way, shape, or form, about JAWS.  It's about Word and a keyboard shortcut it uses regardless of whether a screen reader is involved or not.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

David Diamond
 

The question, "How do I turn on bold formatting on selected text in MS-Word with JAWS?," is not, in any way, shape, or form, about JAWS.  It's about Word and a keyboard shortcut it uses regardless of whether a screen reader is involved or not.  Ah, however, I’ve lost track of how often I’ve heard the term, “That has nothing to do with JAWS, it is a windows command.”  I did not know that, so was glad for the correction.  Obviously if I did not know something, I can hardly be faulted.   Smile. The one thing I have learned is there are several ways to get to the home screen, as they say, all roads lead to Rome.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 12, 2021 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I've noticed on the over moderated Jaws list, people will have general windows questions, or about a program, but feel as though they have to include how to do something with Jaws, even though it is not really a Jaws question, just to have the question be considered a Jaws question.

That is the result of over moderation.

-
No, it's not.  It's the result of not thinking about what you're asking about.

On every screen reader group I've participated in there are members who think that a question about some given piece of software, with the phrase "with {insert screen reader name here}," makes it a screen reader related question.  It isn't.

If you want to know the keyboard shortcuts or other information about an MS-Office program, web browser, media player, and the list goes on and on that's an entirely separate issue from how to use any given screen reader on top of it.   It is incumbent on those asking questions to actually think about what it is, really, the question pertains to.  Tacking on, "with {insert screen reader name here}," doesn't magically make it about the screen reader.  The question, "How do I turn on bold formatting on selected text in MS-Word with JAWS?," is not, in any way, shape, or form, about JAWS.  It's about Word and a keyboard shortcut it uses regardless of whether a screen reader is involved or not.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

David Diamond
 

It is never no traffic on a group that makes me leave, it is primarily heavy handed moderation of a mod that seems to be on a

Power trip. Or, on one group, the inflammatory thread was dying out and the moderator inadvertently threw gas on the smoldering embers. I left that group, I couldn’t stand the racist and prejudicial comments from group members.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: November 12, 2021 8:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

Ken,

 The activity on any list ebbs and flows.  The “windows” list is also down the last few days.

This list offers many quality, effective, answers. 

Don’t compare lists for there are too many variables.  The moderator of this list  does well.

Many lists use auto e-mails for 1st of the month.

 

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Chernack via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

 

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

 

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of main@jfw.groups.io Calendar
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Now: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

List Rules

When:
11/01/2021
12:00am to 1:00am
(UTC-04:00) America/New York

View Event

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 


moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

David Diamond
 

Definitely rule # 1 needs to be updated or rephrased.  Especially since pretty much everything goes on TV, vulgar speech, loose morals etc. I won’t continue this thought so, don’t worry, owner or moderators.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: November 12, 2021 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

Maybe you should follow the rules , especially rule 2.

 

 

From: Ken Chernack via groups.io
Sent: 12 November 2021 15:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

 

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

 

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of main@jfw.groups.io Calendar
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Now: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

List Rules

When:
11/01/2021
12:00am to 1:00am
(UTC-04:00) America/New York

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Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 

 

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