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How can I prevent Jaws trying to read the whole web page when it loads,is this a verbocity issue?  

I am using JFW 2022 Win 10 ver 21h2 and MS edge latest update.

Thanks

 

 

William Vandervest

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Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

Thanks.

Ken

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2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

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5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
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From: William Vandervest

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Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:43 AM

Subject: Jaws and web pages question

How can I prevent Jaws trying to read the whole web page when it loads,is this a verbocity issue?  

I am using JFW 2022 Win 10 ver 21h2 and MS edge latest update.

Thanks

 

 

William Vandervest

timelord09@...

Win10 latest revision

 

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

 

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Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

Thanks.

Ken

List Rules

When:
11/01/2021
12:00am to 1:00am
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Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
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Hi,

This is the way it renders the Email, so it can read it as fast as it can without all the garbage at the top of the Email. I like it.

All the best

Steve

Hi,

Since upgrading to the latest JAWS, when I open an email in Outlook, JAWS now says “read only” before reading the email.  Does anyone know if there is a way to stop this?  It is a small thing, but gets annoying when going through a lot of email.

I think I remember seeing something about this on this list before, but can’t find it now.

Pam

This group, and the JFW Users Group are both for precisely that purpose.  This one has a less strict moderation policy.

But note well, both are focused on JAWS, not the programs you're using JAWS to access, and this is perfectly appropriate.

If you're looking for more broad-based information about using Windows 10 with JAWS then consider the Windows Access with Screen Readers Group.

There is no group dedicated to discussion of any program you can name while using a screen reader to access it.  But there are tons of groups, including the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, that are dedicated to specific programs or suites of programs.

The screen reader and the thing it's accessing are two separate things, and how a given program works (whether with point and click or keyboard shortcuts) is entirely separate from the screen reader being used on top of it.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Chernack via groups.io

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

 

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

 

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of main@jfw.groups.io Calendar
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Now: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

List Rules

When:
11/01/2021
12:00am to 1:00am
(UTC-04:00) America/New York

View Event

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 

Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

 

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

 

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of main@jfw.groups.io Calendar
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Now: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

List Rules

When:
11/01/2021
12:00am to 1:00am
(UTC-04:00) America/New York

View Event

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 

List Rules

When:
11/01/2021
12:00am to 1:00am
(UTC-04:00) America/New York

View Event

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 

On Oct 13, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Abraham Sweiss <abrahamsweiss8@...> wrote:



I am going from memory, I believe the key combination is

Ctrl plus Alta plus either break or page up.

Thanks,abraham 

On Oct 13, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Don Mauck <don.mauck@...> wrote:



Hi, I thought that when in Remote Desktop you could lock the input Window by using Control+Shift+ the Break key.

That is not obviously the correct key. I cannot find it in the Remote Access help section so I’m now asking nicely if anyone can help me out.

I don’t like this approach. What if you get a document or book with the words Read Only in them?

You could limit it to Outlook, but what then if you get an Email with it in?

All the best

Steve

Hi, Pam. The solution that was offered was to put the words read only into the JAWS dictionary, and replace these words with a space character. This can either be done in the default dictionary file, (CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D), or in the dictionary file which is created when Outlook is open, and JAWS key plus D is pressed.

Hi,

Since upgrading to the latest JAWS, when I open an email in Outlook, JAWS now says “read only” before reading the email.  Does anyone know if there is a way to stop this?  It is a small thing, but gets annoying when going through a lot of email.

I think I remember seeing something about this on this list before, but can’t find it now.

Pam

Hi, Pam. The solution that was offered was to put the words read only into the JAWS dictionary, and replace these words with a space character. This can either be done in the default dictionary file, (CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D), or in the dictionary file which is created when Outlook is open, and JAWS key plus D is pressed.

Hi,

Since upgrading to the latest JAWS, when I open an email in Outlook, JAWS now says “read only” before reading the email.  Does anyone know if there is a way to stop this?  It is a small thing, but gets annoying when going through a lot of email.

I think I remember seeing something about this on this list before, but can’t find it now.

Pam

Hi,

Since upgrading to the latest JAWS, when I open an email in Outlook, JAWS now says “read only” before reading the email.  Does anyone know if there is a way to stop this?  It is a small thing, but gets annoying when going through a lot of email.

I think I remember seeing something about this on this list before, but can’t find it now.

Pam

I have to Harkin back to what the tech at MS support told me, “Don’t upgrade for a while.  My friend upgraded and now is having problems.  Wait for MS to work out all the bugs first before upgrading.” 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 12:36 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Two months into a new operating system is just way too soon with windows.

-
Amen to that!!

You can use the PC Health Check app from Microsoft to check to see if your machine is compatible with Windows 11, at least at the moment, as Microsoft still has not said it has finalized all processors that it intends to include.  But if your machine passes the test now, it will not fail it later.  But it could fail it now because your processor is not yet officially supported but the TPM and other requirements are met.  But just because you could update today to Windows 11 doesn't mean you should.

I would encourage anyone except those who love being on "the bleeding edge" to wait a minimum of 6 months, which means next April, before taking the plunge with Windows 11.

For those who do have Windows 11 compatible hardware, and if there are no reports of major issues with Windows 11 next spring, I would not wait until Windows 10 end of life in 2025 to do that upgrade.  During the first year, in particular, of a new Windows version there is a ton of ongoing exchange of information about how to move from an earlier version to it that dies down substantially afterward.  There is value in being a part of a large group of people trying to deal with the same issues, however small, at the same time when it's fresh in everyone's mind.  You see people who waited trying to upgrade to Windows 10 now from Windows 7 or 8/8.1 and much of what people did "way back when" no longer springs immediately to mind, and a lot of what was true and correct for earlier versions of Windows 10 is no longer true or correct for the most recent Windows 10 versions.  The same is almost certain to be true for Windows 11 as well.

There are those among us, and I may be one of them, who must stay on Windows 10 until it is retired if Microsoft does not end up adding my processor to the list of those officially supported by Windows 11, and I'm not about to rush out and buy a new machine just to have Windows 11.  But by the time 2025 rolls around my laptop will be eight years old, and that means it will have lived out a full service life and I'd expect to be replacing it anyway.
 
Right now, in general but particularly with regard to interactions with the various screen readers, Windows 11 information is quite sparse.  I'd start out with Windows 10 initially and only upgrade to Windows 11 later if your hardware supports it.
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It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer