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moderated Re: Jaws and web pages question

Vaughan Dodd
 

Agree here Glenn.

 

Oh for the nostalgia of Window-eyes!

 

 

Vaughan.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2021 6:50 am
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and web pages question

 

I liked the way window eyes opened web pages, it would read the title and stop there.

I hate it when a page is slow to load and it keeps reading and reading and I step away for something and the page is going on and on.

I too have wondered if Jaws has a setting to not read the whole page.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:43 AM

Subject: Jaws and web pages question

 

How can I prevent Jaws trying to read the whole web page when it loads,is this a verbocity issue?  

I am using JFW 2022 Win 10 ver 21h2 and MS edge latest update.

Thanks

 

 

William Vandervest

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moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

Chris
 

Maybe you should follow the rules , especially rule 2.

 

 

From: Ken Chernack via groups.io
Sent: 12 November 2021 15:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

 

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

 

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of main@jfw.groups.io Calendar
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Now: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

List Rules

When:
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Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

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moderated Re: Jaws and web pages question

Glenn / Lenny
 

I liked the way window eyes opened web pages, it would read the title and stop there.
I hate it when a page is slow to load and it keeps reading and reading and I step away for something and the page is going on and on.
I too have wondered if Jaws has a setting to not read the whole page.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 11:43 AM
Subject: Jaws and web pages question

How can I prevent Jaws trying to read the whole web page when it loads,is this a verbocity issue?  

I am using JFW 2022 Win 10 ver 21h2 and MS edge latest update.

Thanks

 

 

William Vandervest

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Win10 latest revision

 

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moderated Jaws and web pages question

William Vandervest
 

How can I prevent Jaws trying to read the whole web page when it loads,is this a verbocity issue?  

I am using JFW 2022 Win 10 ver 21h2 and MS edge latest update.

Thanks

 

 

William Vandervest

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Win10 latest revision

 

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moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

Dan Longmore
 

Ken,

 The activity on any list ebbs and flows.  The “windows” list is also down the last few days.

This list offers many quality, effective, answers. 

Don’t compare lists for there are too many variables.  The moderator of this list  does well.

Many lists use auto e-mails for 1st of the month.

 

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Chernack via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 10:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

 

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

 

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of main@jfw.groups.io Calendar
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Now: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

List Rules

When:
11/01/2021
12:00am to 1:00am
(UTC-04:00) America/New York

View Event

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
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moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I've noticed on the over moderated Jaws list, people will have general windows questions, or about a program, but feel as though they have to include how to do something with Jaws, even though it is not really a Jaws question, just to have the question be considered a Jaws question.
That is the result of over moderation.
-
No, it's not.  It's the result of not thinking about what you're asking about.

On every screen reader group I've participated in there are members who think that a question about some given piece of software, with the phrase "with {insert screen reader name here}," makes it a screen reader related question.  It isn't.

If you want to know the keyboard shortcuts or other information about an MS-Office program, web browser, media player, and the list goes on and on that's an entirely separate issue from how to use any given screen reader on top of it.   It is incumbent on those asking questions to actually think about what it is, really, the question pertains to.  Tacking on, "with {insert screen reader name here}," doesn't magically make it about the screen reader.  The question, "How do I turn on bold formatting on selected text in MS-Word with JAWS?," is not, in any way, shape, or form, about JAWS.  It's about Word and a keyboard shortcut it uses regardless of whether a screen reader is involved or not.
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moderated Re: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I have also noticed this and I believe I have reported it to Vispero. There is a workaround, however.

If you are comfortable modifying the speech and sound scheme go to the Control Types tab and set “read only” to ignore instead of speak. Let us know if you run into problems or if you need more specific steps.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

 

Hi,

This is the way it renders the Email, so it can read it as fast as it can without all the garbage at the top of the Email. I like it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: 09 November 2021 16:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

 

Hi,

 

Since upgrading to the latest JAWS, when I open an email in Outlook, JAWS now says “read only” before reading the email.  Does anyone know if there is a way to stop this?  It is a small thing, but gets annoying when going through a lot of email.

 

I think I remember seeing something about this on this list before, but can’t find it now.

 

Pam

 

 

 


moderated FW: subscribing to a mailing list specifically for using jaws with different programs?

Ken Chernack
 

Hi again.

I found the following email that I believe is an answer to my questions of a previous email I sent a few minutes ago.

Thanks Brian.

 

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 10:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: subscribing to a mailing list specifically for using jaws with different programs?

 

This group, and the JFW Users Group are both for precisely that purpose.  This one has a less strict moderation policy.

But note well, both are focused on JAWS, not the programs you're using JAWS to access, and this is perfectly appropriate.

If you're looking for more broad-based information about using Windows 10 with JAWS then consider the Windows Access with Screen Readers Group.

There is no group dedicated to discussion of any program you can name while using a screen reader to access it.  But there are tons of groups, including the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group, that are dedicated to specific programs or suites of programs.

The screen reader and the thing it's accessing are two separate things, and how a given program works (whether with point and click or keyboard shortcuts) is entirely separate from the screen reader being used on top of it.

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moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

Glenn / Lenny
 

Why do some folks concern themselves with which list is best?
If there is low traffic on a list, why unsubscribe from it?
The list traffic may pick up later.
If it is low traffic, then there is no bother from being a member and one can just go with it.
I've never understood people leaving a low traffic list for that reason.
On the other hand, I do understand people wanting to leave a high traffic list.
So let sleeping dogs lie in my opinion.
And the list will be there if you do need it.
The high traffic lists tend to get into flaming wars, and those are usually the over moderated ones too.
I've noticed on the over moderated Jaws list, people will have general windows questions, or about a program, but feel as though they have to include how to do something with Jaws, even though it is not really a Jaws question, just to have the question be considered a Jaws question.
That is the result of over moderation.
 
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

 

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

 

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of main@jfw.groups.io Calendar
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Now: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

List Rules

When:
11/01/2021
12:00am to 1:00am
(UTC-04:00) America/New York

View Event

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 


moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

Gerald Levy
 


Unfortunatley, the owner/moderator of this list has apparently given up his moderation duties and allowed the list to become a more general discussion forum where almost anything goes and rules are not strictly enforced.  If you want to join the other JAWS list, which is more tightly moderated and kept on topic most of the time, send a blank message to:


jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io


Gerald



On 11/12/2021 10:45 AM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

 

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

 

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of main@jfw.groups.io Calendar
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Now: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

 

List Rules

When:
11/01/2021
12:00am to 1:00am
(UTC-04:00) America/New York

View Event

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 


moderated Re: List Rules - 11/01/2021 #cal-notice

Ken Chernack
 

Hi.

Who is James, the signer of the following rules email?

Is he the phantom moderator?

I believe that the narrative of this email has not been updated for some time and is just automatically sent out monthly on the first day.

 

Have you noticed the drop off of activity in this discussion list since last week?

Is the Jaws moderated list the place to use for a better quality discussion?

 

What is the address of that and other pertinent discussion lists?

I know that they have been mentioned in the past, but it now seems necessary to switch to actively moderated lists for better quality answers that are focused on a subject/topic.

 

Thanks.

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of main@jfw.groups.io Calendar
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The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

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6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

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moderated Re: Remote Desktop

Abraham Sweiss
 

OK, I had to access a remote desktop today and the keys aiuse to use don’t work. Were you ever able to figure out how to minimize the remote desktop screen?


Thanks,abraham 

On Oct 13, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Abraham Sweiss <abrahamsweiss8@...> wrote:


I am going from memory, I believe the key combination is
Ctrl plus Alta plus either break or page up.

Thanks,abraham 

On Oct 13, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Don Mauck <don.mauck@...> wrote:



Hi, I thought that when in Remote Desktop you could lock the input Window by using Control+Shift+ the Break key.

That is not obviously the correct key. I cannot find it in the Remote Access help section so I’m now asking nicely if anyone can help me out.


moderated Re: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Yes, I have just left it alone and tuned it out.  If I press the up arrow key immediately when I open a message, it will cut off the “read only”.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 7:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

 

I don’t like this approach. What if you get a document or book with the words Read Only in them?

 

You could limit it to Outlook, but what then if you get an Email with it in?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 09 November 2021 16:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

 

Hi, Pam. The solution that was offered was to put the words read only into the JAWS dictionary, and replace these words with a space character. This can either be done in the default dictionary file, (CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D), or in the dictionary file which is created when Outlook is open, and JAWS key plus D is pressed.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

 

Hi,

 

Since upgrading to the latest JAWS, when I open an email in Outlook, JAWS now says “read only” before reading the email.  Does anyone know if there is a way to stop this?  It is a small thing, but gets annoying when going through a lot of email.

 

I think I remember seeing something about this on this list before, but can’t find it now.

 

Pam

 

 

 


moderated Re: Can I Turn Off the Notice Re New Monthly Podcasts?

Steve Nutt
 

Yep, there's a check box that says don't show again.

All the best

Steve

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Sent: 10 November 2021 12:07
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Subject: Can I Turn Off the Notice Re New Monthly Podcasts?

Hi, Guys.
Is there a way to disable the notice that comes on when new podcasts are released? I know that I can hit the Remind Me Later button, but want to disable the notification altogether.

Thanks,
Dani


moderated Re: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

Steve Nutt
 

I don’t like this approach. What if you get a document or book with the words Read Only in them?

 

You could limit it to Outlook, but what then if you get an Email with it in?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 09 November 2021 16:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

 

Hi, Pam. The solution that was offered was to put the words read only into the JAWS dictionary, and replace these words with a space character. This can either be done in the default dictionary file, (CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D), or in the dictionary file which is created when Outlook is open, and JAWS key plus D is pressed.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

 

Hi,

 

Since upgrading to the latest JAWS, when I open an email in Outlook, JAWS now says “read only” before reading the email.  Does anyone know if there is a way to stop this?  It is a small thing, but gets annoying when going through a lot of email.

 

I think I remember seeing something about this on this list before, but can’t find it now.

 

Pam

 

 

 


moderated Re: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

This is the way it renders the Email, so it can read it as fast as it can without all the garbage at the top of the Email. I like it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: 09 November 2021 16:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2022 Saying Read Only when Open an Outlook Email

 

Hi,

 

Since upgrading to the latest JAWS, when I open an email in Outlook, JAWS now says “read only” before reading the email.  Does anyone know if there is a way to stop this?  It is a small thing, but gets annoying when going through a lot of email.

 

I think I remember seeing something about this on this list before, but can’t find it now.

 

Pam

 

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Billy Inglis
 

hi Curtis. true regarding Windoweyes. I used the software in college, but by the time I decided to purchase the software, it had gone, Billy
 

From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
 

Certainly window-eyes has that, had their "review" mode for vocal-eyes which is the dos version, and twas very good at what it did.

On 11/2/2021 10:54 AM, Loy wrote:
Didn't Window Eyes have that?
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
 
Strangely though, none of them but Jaws offered the ability to have a separate curser like Jaws.
At least none I could find, and it still seems to be the case.
Maybe NVDA uses the review cursor, if that isn't another screenreader, but I have never mastered that.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Wayland
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
 

There were several screenreaders for DOS during the 1980’s and early 1990’s.  Even the Apple 2s were accessible during that time.

Larry

 

 

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 11:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" mailto:billyinglis49@... wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Curtis Delzer
 

Dectalk was the standard beginning actually in the mid eighties. Vocal-eyes, for dos was GW-Micro's outstanding effort. Artic Vision plus it'd dedicate board sounded very good and was rock stable because it was tied to that board, and then there was also TinyTalk which was a dedicated synthesizer/screen reader with separate packages for synthesizers. :)

ASAP became I believe the best dos screen reader, but it's windows' version, ASAW failed miserably because of the fact it just wasn't developed. "automatic access program" for dos was outstanding, but not for windows. :)

On 11/2/2021 11:01 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


Sorry, I stand corrected. How was the speech quality back in those days?  


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 1:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I am sorry to disappoint, but saying there was no Jaws in 1989 would be like saying there was no Microsoft before Windows.

When I immigrated to Canada from Germany in August of 1989 and shortly after started University I bought my first PC with the Microsoft DOS operating system from Kirk Reiser and Fred Stam from Intelligent Access Microware (IAM) based in London, Ontario where I went to the University of Western Ontario and where Kirk also worked for the University in the so-called Computer Braille Facility. That 386 IBM clone came with Jaws version 1.1, it had a 3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drive and for the time a huge 70 Mb hard drive; many of my fellow students still had 286 PC's with 20 Mb or 40 Mb hard drives and only 5.25 inch floppy drives..

I also had an HP Scanjet scanner and the Arkenstone OCR software, a Versapoint braille printer and a very small and portable notetaker with a braille keyboard and its own screenreader called a "Eureka", it had a contact manager/address book, a word processor, a calendar, a calculator and even a music composer and it also had a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive for transferring stuff to the computer and even a built-in modem because I think it may have had an email program as well.

A friend of mine in Germany was studying computer science at a University in Germany and we started using email in late 1989 as well, the program of choice back then was Eudora and Word Perfect was the most widely used word processor, Quattro was the spreadsheet of choice.

 

Here is a bit of information about Jaws at the time:

 

JAWS for Windows was originally called JAWS (Job Access With Speech). JAWS Version 1.0 was released in 1989 by Ted Henter, a former motorcycle racer who

lost his sight in a 1978 car accident.

 

In 1985, Henter along with Bill Joyce, founded the Henter-Joyce Corporation in St. Petersburg, Florida. Joyce sold his interest in the company back to

Ted Henter sometime in 1990.

 

JAWS was created for computer users who used the DOS (Disk Operated System). A unique feature of the JAWS program, was its use of cascading menus in the

style of the popular Lotus 1-2-3 application.

Unlabeled 1

 

A significant distinction of JAWS to that of other screen readers of that era, was its use of macros. Macros allowed users to customise the user interface

and so work better with numerous computer applications.

 

Ted Henter and Rex Skipper wrote the original JAWS code in the mid-1980s, releasing version 2.0 in 1990. When Skipper left the company, Charles Oppermann

was hired to maintain and improve the JAWS program.

 

Oppermann and Henter continually added minor and major features and frequently released new versions of JAWS. Freedom Scientific now offer JAWS for MS-DOS

as a freeware download from their web site.

 

In the early 1990s, Microsoft Windows became more popular and Oppermann started to design a new version of JAWS. A principle design goal was to maintain

the natural user interface of Windows and to continue to provide a strong macro facility. It was around this time that JAWS was renamed JAWS for Windows

(JFW) and Beta versions of JAWS for Windows went on show and were demonstrated at many conferences throughout 1993 and 1994.

 

During this time developer Glen Gordon started working on the JAWS for Windows code, ultimately taking over its development when Oppermann was hired by

Microsoft in November of 1994 and in January 1995, JAWS for Windows 1.0 was released.

 

In April 2000, Henter-Joyce, Blazie Engineering, and Arkenstone, Inc. all merged together to form Freedom Scientific.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

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moderated whatsapp disktop script

romance's prince
 

hello dears

i'm using whatsapp business disktop version under windows
its fine with jaws, but i need to add shortcut to move directly to unread conversation
any help to do this?
by the way disktop version here using google chrome script as it my default browser and already application work as web app.

just if no script for this, give me the key how i define such function, is it depend on colours or which elemint.
thanks very much.


moderated Re: seeking advice on windows 10 versus windows 11

Judy
 

I agree totally. I don’t understand why some people have to have the latest immediately and then complain about all the problems. Just my opinion. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: seeking advice on windows 10 versus windows 11

 

I have to Harkin back to what the tech at MS support told me, “Don’t upgrade for a while.  My friend upgraded and now is having problems.  Wait for MS to work out all the bugs first before upgrading.” 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 10, 2021 10:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: seeking advice on windows 10 versus windows 11

 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 12:36 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Two months into a new operating system is just way too soon with windows.

-
Amen to that!!

You can use the PC Health Check app from Microsoft to check to see if your machine is compatible with Windows 11, at least at the moment, as Microsoft still has not said it has finalized all processors that it intends to include.  But if your machine passes the test now, it will not fail it later.  But it could fail it now because your processor is not yet officially supported but the TPM and other requirements are met.  But just because you could update today to Windows 11 doesn't mean you should.

I would encourage anyone except those who love being on "the bleeding edge" to wait a minimum of 6 months, which means next April, before taking the plunge with Windows 11.

For those who do have Windows 11 compatible hardware, and if there are no reports of major issues with Windows 11 next spring, I would not wait until Windows 10 end of life in 2025 to do that upgrade.  During the first year, in particular, of a new Windows version there is a ton of ongoing exchange of information about how to move from an earlier version to it that dies down substantially afterward.  There is value in being a part of a large group of people trying to deal with the same issues, however small, at the same time when it's fresh in everyone's mind.  You see people who waited trying to upgrade to Windows 10 now from Windows 7 or 8/8.1 and much of what people did "way back when" no longer springs immediately to mind, and a lot of what was true and correct for earlier versions of Windows 10 is no longer true or correct for the most recent Windows 10 versions.  The same is almost certain to be true for Windows 11 as well.

There are those among us, and I may be one of them, who must stay on Windows 10 until it is retired if Microsoft does not end up adding my processor to the list of those officially supported by Windows 11, and I'm not about to rush out and buy a new machine just to have Windows 11.  But by the time 2025 rolls around my laptop will be eight years old, and that means it will have lived out a full service life and I'd expect to be replacing it anyway.
 
Right now, in general but particularly with regard to interactions with the various screen readers, Windows 11 information is quite sparse.  I'd start out with Windows 10 initially and only upgrade to Windows 11 later if your hardware supports it.
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