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moderated Is there a substitute key, for the windows FNE key?

Albert Cutolo
 

Good morning everyone, 

 

My girlfriend has a Logitech wireless  keyboard  that she uses with her HP. Laptop  computer. However, this particular keyboard, doesn’t have a windows FNE key on it where in order for her too raise the volume, she would have too press both  the FNE    key and the F7 key too increase the volume level.  My question is, is there another key that she can use too substitute for this purpose?  She’s using Jaws 2021, and the latest windows 10.

 

 

Any and all help and suggestions and advice will be much appreciated, 

 

Al   


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Husna Begum
 

That's funny how you said that! It is true though, you always get passed
from pillar to post.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 05 November 2021 22:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Madison, I can't remember if you have an IOS device or not. If you do, here
is another # you should keep handy. Apple help desk: 1-877-204-3930 The
only time I've ever had trouble with both telephone numbers was when my Mac
was converted to a Windows and I needed help. MS said, not their problem as
it was a Apple product and Apple said it was now a windows so not their
problem either. Finally I was able to talk to someone who did help, it was
just an interesting and dare I say, frustrating situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: November 5, 2021 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Thanks Dave, I was able to do it, but I'll keep this number for future
reference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: November 5, 2021 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Madison:

Call the Microsoft Disability Help line on 800 936 5900, and they should be
able to help you.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@mymts.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:16 PM
Subject: downgrading to Windows 10


Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how I go back to Windows 10? Is it something that I
can do simply using Jaws and my braille display like when I do a
Windows update, or would I need sighted assistance? Upgrading is
generally fairly easy/simple to do (though I realize that this might
not be the case for everyone) and if downgrading is the same then I'd
much rather do that then get help to uninstall and then re-install
Windows 11 because this seems far less risky and nerve-wracking. Plus
I didn't have this issue when using Windows 10 and Jaws
2022 and I know that Windows 10 will be supported for awhile longer.
Really hope
someone can help me just as you have all tried to do to fix this
issue, I really appreciate it, I just wish that someone's suggestion
had worked and then it wouldn't have had to come to this. Thanks
Madison






moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Madison Martin
 

No I don't and I don't plan on having one but I'll keep it just in case,
thanks!!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: November 5, 2021 5:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Madison, I can't remember if you have an IOS device or not. If you do, here is
another # you should keep handy. Apple help desk: 1-877-204-3930 The only time
I've ever had trouble with both telephone numbers was when my Mac was converted
to a Windows and I needed help. MS said, not their problem as it was a Apple
product and Apple said it was now a windows so not their problem either. Finally
I was able to talk to someone who did help, it was just an interesting and dare
I say, frustrating situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: November 5, 2021 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Thanks Dave, I was able to do it, but I'll keep this number for future
reference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: November 5, 2021 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Madison:

Call the Microsoft Disability Help line on 800 936 5900, and they should be able
to help you.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@mymts.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:16 PM
Subject: downgrading to Windows 10


Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how I go back to Windows 10? Is it something that I
can do simply using Jaws and my braille display like when I do a
Windows update, or would I need sighted assistance? Upgrading is
generally fairly easy/simple to do (though I realize that this might
not be the case for everyone) and if downgrading is the same then I'd
much rather do that then get help to uninstall and then re-install
Windows 11 because this seems far less risky and nerve-wracking. Plus
I didn't have this issue when using Windows 10 and Jaws
2022 and I know that Windows 10 will be supported for awhile longer.
Really hope
someone can help me just as you have all tried to do to fix this
issue, I really appreciate it, I just wish that someone's suggestion
had worked and then it wouldn't have had to come to this. Thanks
Madison






moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

David Diamond
 

Madison, I can't remember if you have an IOS device or not. If you do, here is another # you should keep handy. Apple help desk: 1-877-204-3930 The only time I've ever had trouble with both telephone numbers was when my Mac was converted to a Windows and I needed help. MS said, not their problem as it was a Apple product and Apple said it was now a windows so not their problem either. Finally I was able to talk to someone who did help, it was just an interesting and dare I say, frustrating situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: November 5, 2021 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Thanks Dave, I was able to do it, but I'll keep this number for future reference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: November 5, 2021 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Madison:

Call the Microsoft Disability Help line on 800 936 5900, and they should be able to help you.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@mymts.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:16 PM
Subject: downgrading to Windows 10


Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how I go back to Windows 10? Is it something that I
can do simply using Jaws and my braille display like when I do a
Windows update, or would I need sighted assistance? Upgrading is
generally fairly easy/simple to do (though I realize that this might
not be the case for everyone) and if downgrading is the same then I'd
much rather do that then get help to uninstall and then re-install
Windows 11 because this seems far less risky and nerve-wracking. Plus
I didn't have this issue when using Windows 10 and Jaws
2022 and I know that Windows 10 will be supported for awhile longer.
Really hope
someone can help me just as you have all tried to do to fix this
issue, I really appreciate it, I just wish that someone's suggestion
had worked and then it wouldn't have had to come to this. Thanks
Madison






moderated Microsoft's Surface Go with JAWS

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Hi,

 

Has anyone used the Surface Go with JAWS?  If so, can you comment on how well it works?  We are just starting to look into this as a possible tablet to take with us when traveling for fairly basic tasks and I would appreciate your thoughts on your experience regarding using it with JAWS.

 

Thanks,

Pam

 

 

 


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

meow meow
 

I don't think there are way go back window 10


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2021 1:41 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Madison:

Call the Microsoft Disability Help line on 800 936 5900, and they should be able to help you.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@mymts.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:16 PM
Subject: downgrading to Windows 10


Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how I go back to Windows 10? Is it something that I can do
simply using Jaws and my braille display like when I do a Windows update, or
would I need sighted assistance? Upgrading is generally fairly easy/simple to do
(though I realize that this might not be the case for everyone) and if
downgrading is the same then I'd much rather do that then get help to uninstall
and then re-install Windows 11 because this seems far less risky and
nerve-wracking. Plus I didn't have this issue when using Windows 10 and Jaws
2022 and I know that Windows 10 will be supported for awhile longer. Really hope
someone can help me just as you have all tried to do to fix this issue, I really
appreciate it, I just wish that someone's suggestion had worked and then it
wouldn't have had to come to this. Thanks
Madison









moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Madison Martin
 

Thanks Dave, I was able to do it, but I'll keep this number for future
reference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: November 5, 2021 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Madison:

Call the Microsoft Disability Help line on 800 936 5900, and they should be able
to help you.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@mymts.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:16 PM
Subject: downgrading to Windows 10


Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how I go back to Windows 10? Is it something that I can
do
simply using Jaws and my braille display like when I do a Windows update,
or
would I need sighted assistance? Upgrading is generally fairly easy/simple
to do
(though I realize that this might not be the case for everyone) and if
downgrading is the same then I'd much rather do that then get help to
uninstall
and then re-install Windows 11 because this seems far less risky and
nerve-wracking. Plus I didn't have this issue when using Windows 10 and
Jaws
2022 and I know that Windows 10 will be supported for awhile longer.
Really hope
someone can help me just as you have all tried to do to fix this issue, I
really
appreciate it, I just wish that someone's suggestion had worked and then
it
wouldn't have had to come to this. Thanks
Madison






moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Dave Durber
 

Madison:

Call the Microsoft Disability Help line on 800 936 5900, and they should be able to help you.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@mymts.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:16 PM
Subject: downgrading to Windows 10


Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how I go back to Windows 10? Is it something that I can do
simply using Jaws and my braille display like when I do a Windows update, or
would I need sighted assistance? Upgrading is generally fairly easy/simple to do
(though I realize that this might not be the case for everyone) and if
downgrading is the same then I'd much rather do that then get help to uninstall
and then re-install Windows 11 because this seems far less risky and
nerve-wracking. Plus I didn't have this issue when using Windows 10 and Jaws
2022 and I know that Windows 10 will be supported for awhile longer. Really hope
someone can help me just as you have all tried to do to fix this issue, I really
appreciate it, I just wish that someone's suggestion had worked and then it
wouldn't have had to come to this. Thanks
Madison





moderated Re: Etiqet: Was RE: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Laura,

I really don't care how you see me, or anyone else does, either.  This is not a popularity contest.

I have posted what I posted in topics where the actual violation that triggered the need occurred, as well as stand alone.

And the kinds of reactions it gets, including encouraging people to do what they should not be doing, is consistent.

And I really don't care whether what I said puts Madison off or not.  She's an adult.  She needs to know these things.  I'm not about to treat everyone here like they are children.

It's amusing that when someone, not only me, can cite things like:

25 Forum Posting Etiquette Tips

and the other article I referenced, that have been out there for years as guides, get accused of it "just being your opinion."  It's not.  It never has been.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Chris
 

I say again, this is a jaws list and not a windows list, so way off topic for this group

 

 

 

From: Rick Mladek
Sent: 05 November 2021 18:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

If it is on different lists, she has done not one thing wrong and I support her asking as many as needed to get the answers sought. Remember, your delete key is, as you all often state, your option. Is a cross is done and yuou seem to be on more than one list, again, hit your delete key. She has done nothing wrong and just because you get a second or a third identical message from all you hold membership within, you are the individual with many memberships, she has not done one thing in error within any one individual group list. Get over it and move on...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

And let's all keep in mind that not everybody is an old hand at using mailing lists. I happen to know that Madison is quite young so instead of criticizing let's tell her that cross-posting or posting the same question on multiple lists at the same time without giving one list a chance to provide answers is considered bad etiquette because many of use are on the Jaws and WinAccess lists she is in any case asking the same people and she may not realize this. We are all here to either educate or be educated and it's always a good idea to give somebody the benefit of the doubt at least until they have really proven they are not able or willing to get it. I think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better approach.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 5, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

But although annoying, I don't consider it cross-posting if the messages were sent separately.

-
Whether cross-posting, or multi-posting, the end result is the same.  And the article I referenced gives a better explanation of why this has been considered "poor form" for as long as I've been participating on technical support forums or emailing lists.

And the warning the gentleman who wrote that article gives is, I can assure you, quite true.  You can and will eventually be ignored once you have a reputation for multi-posting/cross-posting.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

 


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Dave Durber
 

Stewart:

The last version of JAWS you can use with Windows 7, is JAWS 2021, therefore, JAWS 2020, will work with Windows 7.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "stewartross via groups.io" <stewartross=sky.com@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10


hi can someone tell me if i can use jaws 2020 with windows seven,
and re down grading i would also be interested to no re this.
stew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin@mymts.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2021 2:16 PM
Subject: downgrading to Windows 10


Hi all,
Can anyone tell me how I go back to Windows 10? Is it something that I can do
simply using Jaws and my braille display like when I do a Windows update, or
would I need sighted assistance? Upgrading is generally fairly easy/simple to do
(though I realize that this might not be the case for everyone) and if
downgrading is the same then I'd much rather do that then get help to uninstall
and then re-install Windows 11 because this seems far less risky and
nerve-wracking. Plus I didn't have this issue when using Windows 10 and Jaws
2022 and I know that Windows 10 will be supported for awhile longer. Really hope
someone can help me just as you have all tried to do to fix this issue, I really
appreciate it, I just wish that someone's suggestion had worked and then it
wouldn't have had to come to this. Thanks
Madison









moderated Re: Adios

Mario
 

if I'm not wrong, it's James Homuth.

-------- Original Message --------
From: James English [mailto:james13english@gmail.com]
Subject: Adios
Date: Friday, November 5, 2021, 3:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Do we actually have a moderator? Who is he/she?

On 11/5/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Well, after the long off topic thread about down grading Windows 11, I've
decided to stop dealing with the lack of moderation on this list and
unsubscribe. The JFW list is far better moderated.

Take care,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
- Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com













.


moderated Re: Adios

Chris
 

Bye  😌

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: 05 November 2021 19:07
To: JAWS List
Subject: Adios

 

Well, after the long off topic thread about down grading Windows 11, I’ve decided to stop dealing with the lack of moderation on this list and unsubscribe.  The JFW list is far better moderated.

 

Take care,

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Chris
 

It may have been answered on other groups, but we wont know that because this is a jaws group and not a windows group

 

But that doesnt seem to matter here though

 

 

From: James English
Sent: 05 November 2021 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Hello,

 

I don't know the answer to the question posed, but this threadjack has

kind of gone on long enough. Is anyone going to answer it?

 

- James Kizagurien-English

 

On 11/5/21, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...> wrote:

> Well, Go ahead and disabuse me of this idea then, because I think that

> it is making good use of ones resources or knowledge bases such as it

> were.  Like it has been said time and time again, there is always the

> Delete key.  I have suffered much more grievous etiquette abuses on

> these lists than cross listing.  How about subject hijacking for one.

> On 11/5/2021 1:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

>> 

>>     I think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this

>>     is considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is

>>     even a better approach.

>> 

>> -

>> Well, I disagree.  This is something that needs to be a part of the

>> public record.  At one time it needed to be said less than it seems to

>> need to be said lately.

>> 

>> And telling someone that something is bad netiquette, when it is

>> indeed bad netiquette, is educating them.  It's not an attack. It's

>> not telling them they're stupid.  It's informing them of something

>> they did not know.

>> 

>> We are not children here, and not everything needs to be couched in

>> the softest possible terms.  I've really grown tired of the attitude

>> that when someone says something in a direct and businesslike manner

>> that it's offensive.

>> 

>> Anyone thinking that multi-posting or cross-posting is a good idea

>> needs to be disabused of that notion.

>> --

>> 

>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>> 

>> */It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between

>> thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly

>> different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the

>> power to connect the seemingly unconnected./*

>> 

>>     ~ William Plomer

>> 

>> 

> --

> Thanks,

> Lion Marty Hutchings

> BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison

> (262) 605-8981

> mhutchings152730@...

> www.wisconsinbold.com

>

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Etiqet: Was RE: downgrading to Windows 10

Laura Richardson
 

And …… Also Brian, Use your own advice of “good etiquette and change the subject to reflect the change/content of the topic being discussed.  Whether you mean to do so or not, you come across as very arrogant, condescending, and “all knowing” and, of course, you are not “all Knowing” and just because your opinion is different than many others doesn’t make yours right.  I hope your treatment of Madison does not prevent her from seeking help in the future.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Then Brian, keep yourself to one group.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:23 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Remember, your delete key is, as you all often state, your option.

-
And one that should be needed infrequently.

People need to consider the fact that every message they elect to send to a mailing list goes out to hundreds of people (on average for a group like this, some are smaller).  Several of these groups have membership of over 1000.

It is poor form, plain and simple, to blanket multiple groups, particularly those with overlapping membership, with exactly the same question at the same time.  Trying to justify it is not doing anyone any favors.

The reason that it is considered poor form, and has been since the first day I stepped in to any online forum or list, is very clearly explained:  On Posting to More Than One Online Support Forum for the Same Issue – AKA Forum Cross Posting

 
It should not be done.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Adios

James English
 

Do we actually have a moderator? Who is he/she?

On 11/5/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Well, after the long off topic thread about down grading Windows 11, I've
decided to stop dealing with the lack of moderation on this list and
unsubscribe. The JFW list is far better moderated.

Take care,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
- Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com








moderated Adios

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well, after the long off topic thread about down grading Windows 11, I’ve decided to stop dealing with the lack of moderation on this list and unsubscribe.  The JFW list is far better moderated.

 

Take care,

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 


moderated Headers and footers on web pages.

Don Mauck
 

Hello. It appears to me that JAWS does not recognize aria headers or footers.

Can this be a product of a Browser?

Is it best to use Landmark’s for this?

Are Banners the equivalent to a Header?


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Is there a moderator?

 

It is their job to stop this BS.

 

Attempting to mute this topic now.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 11:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Actualy this is a jaws group not a windows group , so it is in the wrong group for her particular question, and therefore should not have been posted in this group

 

 

 

 

 

From: James English
Sent: 05 November 2021 18:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Hi,

 

Is there really any need for the hostility here? She is simply trying

to get the answer as quickly as possible, and asking various groups,

whether there is overlap or not, is a good way of doing that. There

will be users here who are not on the other lists that were messaged,

I know this as this is the only message I've received on the subject.

I get it if the message was posted to lists for where it isn't

relevant (vi-phone, Manchester united supporters trust, a fantasy

basketball league) but as far as I am aware it wasn't.

Your delete key works to delete mail in most mail clients, and

deleting using most webmail services is hassle free, far easier than

ranting because someone has sent you 2 emails instead of one.

 

- James Kizagurien-English

 

On 11/5/21, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

> If it is on different lists, she has done not one thing wrong and I support

> her asking as many as needed to get the answers sought. Remember, your

> delete key is, as you all often state, your option. Is a cross is done and

> yuou seem to be on more than one list, again, hit your delete key. She has

> done nothing wrong and just because you get a second or a third identical

> message from all you hold membership within, you are the individual with

> many memberships, she has not done one thing in error within any one

> individual group list. Get over it and move on...

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:20 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

> And let's all keep in mind that not everybody is an old hand at using

> mailing lists. I happen to know that Madison is quite young so instead of

> criticizing let's tell her that cross-posting or posting the same question

> on multiple lists at the same time without giving one list a chance to

> provide answers is considered bad etiquette because many of use are on the

> Jaws and WinAccess lists she is in any case asking the same people and she

> may not realize this. We are all here to either educate or be educated and

> it's always a good idea to give somebody the benefit of the doubt at least

> until they have really proven they are not able or willing to get it. I

> think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is

> considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better

> approach.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

> Sent: November 5, 2021 9:47 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

> But although annoying, I don't consider it cross-posting if the messages

> were sent separately.

> -

> Whether cross-posting, or multi-posting, the end result is the same.  And

> the article I referenced gives a better explanation of why this has been

> considered "poor form" for as long as I've been participating on technical

> support forums or emailing lists.

> And the warning the gentleman who wrote that article gives is, I can assure

> you, quite true.  You can and will eventually be ignored once you have a

> reputation for multi-posting/cross-posting.

> --

> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

> It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between

> thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different,

> and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the

> seemingly unconnected.

>     ~ William Plomer

>

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Chris
 

Actualy this is a jaws group not a windows group , so it is in the wrong group for her particular question, and therefore should not have been posted in this group

 

 

 

 

 

From: James English
Sent: 05 November 2021 18:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Hi,

 

Is there really any need for the hostility here? She is simply trying

to get the answer as quickly as possible, and asking various groups,

whether there is overlap or not, is a good way of doing that. There

will be users here who are not on the other lists that were messaged,

I know this as this is the only message I've received on the subject.

I get it if the message was posted to lists for where it isn't

relevant (vi-phone, Manchester united supporters trust, a fantasy

basketball league) but as far as I am aware it wasn't.

Your delete key works to delete mail in most mail clients, and

deleting using most webmail services is hassle free, far easier than

ranting because someone has sent you 2 emails instead of one.

 

- James Kizagurien-English

 

On 11/5/21, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

> If it is on different lists, she has done not one thing wrong and I support

> her asking as many as needed to get the answers sought. Remember, your

> delete key is, as you all often state, your option. Is a cross is done and

> yuou seem to be on more than one list, again, hit your delete key. She has

> done nothing wrong and just because you get a second or a third identical

> message from all you hold membership within, you are the individual with

> many memberships, she has not done one thing in error within any one

> individual group list. Get over it and move on...

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:20 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

> And let's all keep in mind that not everybody is an old hand at using

> mailing lists. I happen to know that Madison is quite young so instead of

> criticizing let's tell her that cross-posting or posting the same question

> on multiple lists at the same time without giving one list a chance to

> provide answers is considered bad etiquette because many of use are on the

> Jaws and WinAccess lists she is in any case asking the same people and she

> may not realize this. We are all here to either educate or be educated and

> it's always a good idea to give somebody the benefit of the doubt at least

> until they have really proven they are not able or willing to get it. I

> think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is

> considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better

> approach.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

> Sent: November 5, 2021 9:47 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

> But although annoying, I don't consider it cross-posting if the messages

> were sent separately.

> -

> Whether cross-posting, or multi-posting, the end result is the same.  And

> the article I referenced gives a better explanation of why this has been

> considered "poor form" for as long as I've been participating on technical

> support forums or emailing lists.

> And the warning the gentleman who wrote that article gives is, I can assure

> you, quite true.  You can and will eventually be ignored once you have a

> reputation for multi-posting/cross-posting.

> --

> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

> It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between

> thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different,

> and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the

> seemingly unconnected.

>     ~ William Plomer

>

 

 

 

 

 

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