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moderated Etiqet: Was RE: downgrading to Windows 10

Laura Richardson
 

And …… Also Brian, Use your own advice of “good etiquette and change the subject to reflect the change/content of the topic being discussed.  Whether you mean to do so or not, you come across as very arrogant, condescending, and “all knowing” and, of course, you are not “all Knowing” and just because your opinion is different than many others doesn’t make yours right.  I hope your treatment of Madison does not prevent her from seeking help in the future.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Then Brian, keep yourself to one group.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:23 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Remember, your delete key is, as you all often state, your option.

-
And one that should be needed infrequently.

People need to consider the fact that every message they elect to send to a mailing list goes out to hundreds of people (on average for a group like this, some are smaller).  Several of these groups have membership of over 1000.

It is poor form, plain and simple, to blanket multiple groups, particularly those with overlapping membership, with exactly the same question at the same time.  Trying to justify it is not doing anyone any favors.

The reason that it is considered poor form, and has been since the first day I stepped in to any online forum or list, is very clearly explained:  On Posting to More Than One Online Support Forum for the Same Issue – AKA Forum Cross Posting

 
It should not be done.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Adios

James English
 

Do we actually have a moderator? Who is he/she?

On 11/5/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
Well, after the long off topic thread about down grading Windows 11, I've
decided to stop dealing with the lack of moderation on this list and
unsubscribe. The JFW list is far better moderated.

Take care,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
- Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com








moderated Adios

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well, after the long off topic thread about down grading Windows 11, I’ve decided to stop dealing with the lack of moderation on this list and unsubscribe.  The JFW list is far better moderated.

 

Take care,

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 


moderated Headers and footers on web pages.

Don Mauck
 

Hello. It appears to me that JAWS does not recognize aria headers or footers.

Can this be a product of a Browser?

Is it best to use Landmark’s for this?

Are Banners the equivalent to a Header?


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Is there a moderator?

 

It is their job to stop this BS.

 

Attempting to mute this topic now.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 11:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Actualy this is a jaws group not a windows group , so it is in the wrong group for her particular question, and therefore should not have been posted in this group

 

 

 

 

 

From: James English
Sent: 05 November 2021 18:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Hi,

 

Is there really any need for the hostility here? She is simply trying

to get the answer as quickly as possible, and asking various groups,

whether there is overlap or not, is a good way of doing that. There

will be users here who are not on the other lists that were messaged,

I know this as this is the only message I've received on the subject.

I get it if the message was posted to lists for where it isn't

relevant (vi-phone, Manchester united supporters trust, a fantasy

basketball league) but as far as I am aware it wasn't.

Your delete key works to delete mail in most mail clients, and

deleting using most webmail services is hassle free, far easier than

ranting because someone has sent you 2 emails instead of one.

 

- James Kizagurien-English

 

On 11/5/21, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

> If it is on different lists, she has done not one thing wrong and I support

> her asking as many as needed to get the answers sought. Remember, your

> delete key is, as you all often state, your option. Is a cross is done and

> yuou seem to be on more than one list, again, hit your delete key. She has

> done nothing wrong and just because you get a second or a third identical

> message from all you hold membership within, you are the individual with

> many memberships, she has not done one thing in error within any one

> individual group list. Get over it and move on...

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:20 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

> And let's all keep in mind that not everybody is an old hand at using

> mailing lists. I happen to know that Madison is quite young so instead of

> criticizing let's tell her that cross-posting or posting the same question

> on multiple lists at the same time without giving one list a chance to

> provide answers is considered bad etiquette because many of use are on the

> Jaws and WinAccess lists she is in any case asking the same people and she

> may not realize this. We are all here to either educate or be educated and

> it's always a good idea to give somebody the benefit of the doubt at least

> until they have really proven they are not able or willing to get it. I

> think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is

> considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better

> approach.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

> Sent: November 5, 2021 9:47 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

> But although annoying, I don't consider it cross-posting if the messages

> were sent separately.

> -

> Whether cross-posting, or multi-posting, the end result is the same.  And

> the article I referenced gives a better explanation of why this has been

> considered "poor form" for as long as I've been participating on technical

> support forums or emailing lists.

> And the warning the gentleman who wrote that article gives is, I can assure

> you, quite true.  You can and will eventually be ignored once you have a

> reputation for multi-posting/cross-posting.

> --

> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

> It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between

> thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different,

> and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the

> seemingly unconnected.

>     ~ William Plomer

>

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Chris
 

Actualy this is a jaws group not a windows group , so it is in the wrong group for her particular question, and therefore should not have been posted in this group

 

 

 

 

 

From: James English
Sent: 05 November 2021 18:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

Hi,

 

Is there really any need for the hostility here? She is simply trying

to get the answer as quickly as possible, and asking various groups,

whether there is overlap or not, is a good way of doing that. There

will be users here who are not on the other lists that were messaged,

I know this as this is the only message I've received on the subject.

I get it if the message was posted to lists for where it isn't

relevant (vi-phone, Manchester united supporters trust, a fantasy

basketball league) but as far as I am aware it wasn't.

Your delete key works to delete mail in most mail clients, and

deleting using most webmail services is hassle free, far easier than

ranting because someone has sent you 2 emails instead of one.

 

- James Kizagurien-English

 

On 11/5/21, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

> If it is on different lists, she has done not one thing wrong and I support

> her asking as many as needed to get the answers sought. Remember, your

> delete key is, as you all often state, your option. Is a cross is done and

> yuou seem to be on more than one list, again, hit your delete key. She has

> done nothing wrong and just because you get a second or a third identical

> message from all you hold membership within, you are the individual with

> many memberships, she has not done one thing in error within any one

> individual group list. Get over it and move on...

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:20 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

> And let's all keep in mind that not everybody is an old hand at using

> mailing lists. I happen to know that Madison is quite young so instead of

> criticizing let's tell her that cross-posting or posting the same question

> on multiple lists at the same time without giving one list a chance to

> provide answers is considered bad etiquette because many of use are on the

> Jaws and WinAccess lists she is in any case asking the same people and she

> may not realize this. We are all here to either educate or be educated and

> it's always a good idea to give somebody the benefit of the doubt at least

> until they have really proven they are not able or willing to get it. I

> think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is

> considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better

> approach.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel

> Sent: November 5, 2021 9:47 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

> But although annoying, I don't consider it cross-posting if the messages

> were sent separately.

> -

> Whether cross-posting, or multi-posting, the end result is the same.  And

> the article I referenced gives a better explanation of why this has been

> considered "poor form" for as long as I've been participating on technical

> support forums or emailing lists.

> And the warning the gentleman who wrote that article gives is, I can assure

> you, quite true.  You can and will eventually be ignored once you have a

> reputation for multi-posting/cross-posting.

> --

> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

> It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between

> thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different,

> and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the

> seemingly unconnected.

>     ~ William Plomer

>

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

James English
 

Hello,

I don't know the answer to the question posed, but this threadjack has
kind of gone on long enough. Is anyone going to answer it?

- James Kizagurien-English

On 11/5/21, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...> wrote:
Well, Go ahead and disabuse me of this idea then, because I think that
it is making good use of ones resources or knowledge bases such as it
were.  Like it has been said time and time again, there is always the
Delete key.  I have suffered much more grievous etiquette abuses on
these lists than cross listing.  How about subject hijacking for one.

On 11/5/2021 1:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this
is considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is
even a better approach.

-
Well, I disagree.  This is something that needs to be a part of the
public record.  At one time it needed to be said less than it seems to
need to be said lately.

And telling someone that something is bad netiquette, when it is
indeed bad netiquette, is educating them.  It's not an attack. It's
not telling them they're stupid.  It's informing them of something
they did not know.

We are not children here, and not everything needs to be couched in
the softest possible terms.  I've really grown tired of the attitude
that when someone says something in a direct and businesslike manner
that it's offensive.

Anyone thinking that multi-posting or cross-posting is a good idea
needs to be disabused of that notion.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*/It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between
thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly
different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the
power to connect the seemingly unconnected./*

    ~ William Plomer

--
Thanks,
Lion Marty Hutchings
BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison
(262) 605-8981
mhutchings152730@...
www.wisconsinbold.com






moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Marty Hutchings
 

Well, Go ahead and disabuse me of this idea then, because I think that it is making good use of ones resources or knowledge bases such as it were.  Like it has been said time and time again, there is always the Delete key.  I have suffered much more grievous etiquette abuses on these lists than cross listing.  How about subject hijacking for one.

On 11/5/2021 1:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better approach.
-
Well, I disagree.  This is something that needs to be a part of the public record.  At one time it needed to be said less than it seems to need to be said lately.

And telling someone that something is bad netiquette, when it is indeed bad netiquette, is educating them.  It's not an attack.  It's not telling them they're stupid.  It's informing them of something they did not know.

We are not children here, and not everything needs to be couched in the softest possible terms.  I've really grown tired of the attitude that when someone says something in a direct and businesslike manner that it's offensive.

Anyone thinking that multi-posting or cross-posting is a good idea needs to be disabused of that notion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

-- 
Thanks,
Lion Marty Hutchings
BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison
(262) 605-8981
mhutchings152730@...
www.wisconsinbold.com


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Rick Mladek
 

Obviously double standards for you Brian. Drop off some groups so not to have you need to delete or mute. Otherwise, move on little man!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:40 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Then Brian, keep yourself to one group.

-
No, dear, because I am not the problem here.  But with this I'm out.

If you want to engage in what's considered rude, then, by all means, feel free.  Others will draw their own conclusions and take appropriate actions.

Ignorance is not bliss, and can be cured with exposure to accurate information.  Willful stupidity cannot.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:40 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:
Then Brian, keep yourself to one group.
-
No, dear, because I am not the problem here.  But with this I'm out.

If you want to engage in what's considered rude, then, by all means, feel free.  Others will draw their own conclusions and take appropriate actions.

Ignorance is not bliss, and can be cured with exposure to accurate information.  Willful stupidity cannot.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Rick Mladek
 

Then Brian, keep yourself to one group.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:23 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Remember, your delete key is, as you all often state, your option.

-
And one that should be needed infrequently.

People need to consider the fact that every message they elect to send to a mailing list goes out to hundreds of people (on average for a group like this, some are smaller).  Several of these groups have membership of over 1000.

It is poor form, plain and simple, to blanket multiple groups, particularly those with overlapping membership, with exactly the same question at the same time.  Trying to justify it is not doing anyone any favors.

The reason that it is considered poor form, and has been since the first day I stepped in to any online forum or list, is very clearly explained:  On Posting to More Than One Online Support Forum for the Same Issue – AKA Forum Cross Posting

 
It should not be done.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

dennis
 

you can also mute the topic and not see any more of the messages. i do this all the time and it works great.

On 11/5/2021 1:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

And let's all keep in mind that not everybody is an old hand at using mailing lists. I happen to know that Madison is quite young so instead of criticizing let's tell her that cross-posting or posting the same question on multiple lists at the same time without giving one list a chance to provide answers is considered bad etiquette because many of use are on the Jaws and WinAccess lists she is in any case asking the same people and she may not realize this. We are all here to either educate or be educated and it's always a good idea to give somebody the benefit of the doubt at least until they have really proven they are not able or willing to get it. I think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better approach.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 5, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

But although annoying, I don't consider it cross-posting if the messages were sent separately.

-
Whether cross-posting, or multi-posting, the end result is the same.  And the article I referenced gives a better explanation of why this has been considered "poor form" for as long as I've been participating on technical support forums or emailing lists.

And the warning the gentleman who wrote that article gives is, I can assure you, quite true.  You can and will eventually be ignored once you have a reputation for multi-posting/cross-posting.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer





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moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

James English
 

Hi,

Is there really any need for the hostility here? She is simply trying
to get the answer as quickly as possible, and asking various groups,
whether there is overlap or not, is a good way of doing that. There
will be users here who are not on the other lists that were messaged,
I know this as this is the only message I've received on the subject.
I get it if the message was posted to lists for where it isn't
relevant (vi-phone, Manchester united supporters trust, a fantasy
basketball league) but as far as I am aware it wasn't.
Your delete key works to delete mail in most mail clients, and
deleting using most webmail services is hassle free, far easier than
ranting because someone has sent you 2 emails instead of one.

- James Kizagurien-English

On 11/5/21, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:
If it is on different lists, she has done not one thing wrong and I support
her asking as many as needed to get the answers sought. Remember, your
delete key is, as you all often state, your option. Is a cross is done and
yuou seem to be on more than one list, again, hit your delete key. She has
done nothing wrong and just because you get a second or a third identical
message from all you hold membership within, you are the individual with
many memberships, she has not done one thing in error within any one
individual group list. Get over it and move on...



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10



And let's all keep in mind that not everybody is an old hand at using
mailing lists. I happen to know that Madison is quite young so instead of
criticizing let's tell her that cross-posting or posting the same question
on multiple lists at the same time without giving one list a chance to
provide answers is considered bad etiquette because many of use are on the
Jaws and WinAccess lists she is in any case asking the same people and she
may not realize this. We are all here to either educate or be educated and
it's always a good idea to give somebody the benefit of the doubt at least
until they have really proven they are not able or willing to get it. I
think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is
considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better
approach.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 5, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10



On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

But although annoying, I don't consider it cross-posting if the messages
were sent separately.

-
Whether cross-posting, or multi-posting, the end result is the same. And
the article I referenced gives a better explanation of why this has been
considered "poor form" for as long as I've been participating on technical
support forums or emailing lists.

And the warning the gentleman who wrote that article gives is, I can assure
you, quite true. You can and will eventually be ignored once you have a
reputation for multi-posting/cross-posting.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between
thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different,
and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the
seemingly unconnected.

~ William Plomer









moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:23 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:
Remember, your delete key is, as you all often state, your option.
-
And one that should be needed infrequently.

People need to consider the fact that every message they elect to send to a mailing list goes out to hundreds of people (on average for a group like this, some are smaller).  Several of these groups have membership of over 1000.

It is poor form, plain and simple, to blanket multiple groups, particularly those with overlapping membership, with exactly the same question at the same time.  Trying to justify it is not doing anyone any favors.

The reason that it is considered poor form, and has been since the first day I stepped in to any online forum or list, is very clearly explained:  On Posting to More Than One Online Support Forum for the Same Issue – AKA Forum Cross Posting

 
It should not be done.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 02:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better approach.
-
Well, I disagree.  This is something that needs to be a part of the public record.  At one time it needed to be said less than it seems to need to be said lately.

And telling someone that something is bad netiquette, when it is indeed bad netiquette, is educating them.  It's not an attack.  It's not telling them they're stupid.  It's informing them of something they did not know.

We are not children here, and not everything needs to be couched in the softest possible terms.  I've really grown tired of the attitude that when someone says something in a direct and businesslike manner that it's offensive.

Anyone thinking that multi-posting or cross-posting is a good idea needs to be disabused of that notion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Rick Mladek
 

If it is on different lists, she has done not one thing wrong and I support her asking as many as needed to get the answers sought. Remember, your delete key is, as you all often state, your option. Is a cross is done and yuou seem to be on more than one list, again, hit your delete key. She has done nothing wrong and just because you get a second or a third identical message from all you hold membership within, you are the individual with many memberships, she has not done one thing in error within any one individual group list. Get over it and move on...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

And let's all keep in mind that not everybody is an old hand at using mailing lists. I happen to know that Madison is quite young so instead of criticizing let's tell her that cross-posting or posting the same question on multiple lists at the same time without giving one list a chance to provide answers is considered bad etiquette because many of use are on the Jaws and WinAccess lists she is in any case asking the same people and she may not realize this. We are all here to either educate or be educated and it's always a good idea to give somebody the benefit of the doubt at least until they have really proven they are not able or willing to get it. I think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better approach.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 5, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

But although annoying, I don't consider it cross-posting if the messages were sent separately.

-
Whether cross-posting, or multi-posting, the end result is the same.  And the article I referenced gives a better explanation of why this has been considered "poor form" for as long as I've been participating on technical support forums or emailing lists.

And the warning the gentleman who wrote that article gives is, I can assure you, quite true.  You can and will eventually be ignored once you have a reputation for multi-posting/cross-posting.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

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moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

And let's all keep in mind that not everybody is an old hand at using mailing lists. I happen to know that Madison is quite young so instead of criticizing let's tell her that cross-posting or posting the same question on multiple lists at the same time without giving one list a chance to provide answers is considered bad etiquette because many of use are on the Jaws and WinAccess lists she is in any case asking the same people and she may not realize this. We are all here to either educate or be educated and it's always a good idea to give somebody the benefit of the doubt at least until they have really proven they are not able or willing to get it. I think, for example, if somebody had replied explaining how this is considered to be bad list etiquette sending it privately is even a better approach.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 5, 2021 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

But although annoying, I don't consider it cross-posting if the messages were sent separately.

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Whether cross-posting, or multi-posting, the end result is the same.  And the article I referenced gives a better explanation of why this has been considered "poor form" for as long as I've been participating on technical support forums or emailing lists.

And the warning the gentleman who wrote that article gives is, I can assure you, quite true.  You can and will eventually be ignored once you have a reputation for multi-posting/cross-posting.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Touch Cursor question

Van Lant, Robin
 

Hi,

I’ve begun using the Touch cursor to access a toolbar in a Lotus Notes database.  This has been fantastic, as I couldn’t figure out how to access the bar otherwise.  My process is to turn on Touch Cursor, then to page up to Forms mode, then arrow down to the button I need and hit return to activate.   Once clicked a little dialog pops up confirming that I approved the document and I need to click OK    My question is, once I hit Enter on the button I have found with the Touch cursor, there is quite a long delay before I hear a little click that is somehow related to the Touch cursor and then a few more seconds before I can change back to PC cursor to click that “OK” button in the dialog box.  My question is, is this long delay normal when selecting something with the Touch Cursor?  The dialog is there almost immediately, but JAWS goes silent for a good 5 to 10 seconds, then I hear that little click, then I wait a few more seconds to regain speech and activate the PC cursor. 

 

Using latest version of JAWS 2021, Windows 10 and  not sure which version of Notes. 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager



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moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Chris
 

But she is a serial cross / multi poster

Now and again is tolerable, but Everytime is annoying

 

I usually ignore those who post on multiple groups

With the same question

 

 

 

From: Mario
Sent: 05 November 2021 16:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10

 

I tend to disagree. Madison is simply multiposting, trying to get as

many responces to her issue.

 

-------- Original Message --------

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]

Subject: downgrading to Windows 10

Date: Friday, November 5, 2021, 12:24 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 10:15 AM, Madison Martin wrote:

 

     Can anyone tell me how I go back to Windows 10?

 

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Posting this on three separate lists at the same time, particularly

where there is significant overlap in the membership, is really not

necessary.

 

On Posting to More Than One Online Support Forum for the Same Issue –

AKA Forum Cross Posting <https://www.excelguru.ca/content.php?184>

 

 

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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

 

*/It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between

thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly

different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power

to connect the seemingly unconnected./*

 

      ~ William Plomer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: downgrading to Windows 10

Glenn / Lenny
 

I think it is best to select the list that is best for a particular question.
If no results come from one after a day or so, then post to another list.
Or if posting to different lists at the same time, use a different subject and change your wording to best match the flavor of the list.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2021 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: downgrading to Windows 10


oops. forgot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting

Crossposting is the act of posting the same message to multiple
information channels, such as forums, mailing lists, or newsgroups.
This is distinct from multiposting, which is the posting of separate
identical messages, individually, to each channel, (a forum, a
newsgroup, an email list, or topic area). Enforcement actions against
crossposting individuals vary from simple admonishments up to total
lifetime bans. In some cases, on email lists and forums, an individual
is put under a Stealth Ban where their posts are distributed back to
them as if they were being distributed normally, but the rest of the
subscribers are not sent the messages.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
Subject: downgrading to Windows 10
Date: Friday, November 5, 2021, 12:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
I tend to disagree. Madison is simply multiposting, trying to get as
many responces to her issue.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Subject: downgrading to Windows 10
Date: Friday, November 5, 2021, 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 10:15 AM, Madison Martin wrote:

   Can anyone tell me how I go back to Windows 10?

-
Posting this on three separate lists at the same time, particularly
where there is significant overlap in the membership, is really not
necessary.

On Posting to More Than One Online Support Forum for the Same Issue â?"
AKA Forum Cross Posting <https://www.excelguru.ca/content.php?184>

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