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moderated utube to mp3 convetter

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi Richard. Thanks for that link. Added it to my list of gooble chrome bookmarks.

Thanks.


moderated Re: utube to mp3 converter

Bill White
 

Hi, Marvin. Regardless of which YouTube converter I try to use, YouTube has slowed the downloading speed to a crawl. I believe they are upset because, when the videos are downloaded, the ads are totally skipped, and people can't monitize their channels.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 7:47 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: utube to mp3 converter

 

Hi. What’s good utube to mp3 converter or download utube. Tried ponsd media and dl utube, did not download or work for me.

There used to be a utube to mp3 converter, but cannot remember for em the name of that app and if accessible or current with windows 10.

Any suggestions.

Marvin.


moderated Re: utube to mp3 converter

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Someone named Wayne on a different list sent the below link. It works great. I was able to get a 2 hour concert from Carnegie Hall that I could not get with Pontes Media downloader.
https://mp3-now.com/


Richard
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website:  www.turner42.com

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

On Nov 4, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Marvin Hunkin <startrektech@...> wrote:



Hi. What’s good utube to mp3 converter or download utube. Tried ponsd media and dl utube, did not download or work for me.

There used to be a utube to mp3 converter, but cannot remember for em the name of that app and if accessible or current with windows 10.

Any suggestions.

Marvin.


moderated utube to mp3 converter

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi. What’s good utube to mp3 converter or download utube. Tried ponsd media and dl utube, did not download or work for me.

There used to be a utube to mp3 converter, but cannot remember for em the name of that app and if accessible or current with windows 10.

Any suggestions.

Marvin.


moderated Re: Task Bar in Windows 11

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
 

2 different techs including one from the MS help desk told me to just wait till windows 11 has been around for a while so all bugs can be worked out. Pretty easy advice to follow as I was never one to have the latest and greatest.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: November 4, 2021 5:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Task Bar in Windows 11

 

Well, I haven’t found a problem with Windows+t then hitting enter on any of the applications I arrow to.

 

Like Sieghard, I tend to use either the Windows key plus the number corresponding to where the app is in the list, 1 for Outlook, 2 for Edge, etc.

Or, I have defined my own hotkeys for programs I use like control+alt+e for Excel.

 

I only use first letter navigation when I  am in a list like in file explorer.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 7:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Task Bar in Windows 11

 

I am using JFW 2022, and I just upgraded to Windows 11.  (Probably not a wise move)

If I hit Windows-t to go to the task bar, I can arrow right or left to go through the items on the task bar.  If I hit enter or space bar on one of them, it usually does nothing.  If I go back into the task bar and do it again, the app opens.

With Windows 10, I used to also be able to use first letter navigation.  Open the task bar, hit c for calendar, then Enter.  First letter navigation does not seem to work in Windows 11.  I also tried it with NVDA and Narrator.  Same result.

Any thoughts?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

(This address is used for lists I subscribe to.)

 


moderated Re: Don't like a group or mod, leave the group.

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
 

                My policy has been if I don’t like the way a group is run, I leave it.  I have left some groups either because the mod fanned the flames of a inflammatory topic instead of putting it out, or the mod had her own little click because of being narcistic and if you did not hold with her rules, she booted you off with no chance of appealing her decision. Now this topic of the cost of JAWS has long since run it’s course and then some. Let’s all get back to the topic of jaws and stop the mud slinging from both yards.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: November 4, 2021 6:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

And when the list owners catch us changing the subject line, they say we are high jacking the thread and it's a no no.

Howard

On 11/4/2021 2:16 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

 

 

From: Judy
Sent: 04 November 2021 19:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hello, I just randomly read this post. This subject line has been up for days, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have time to read every single post on this busy list. So the couple I have read had nothing to do with Jaws cost. A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore.  Please stop this. Judy & Libby

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth

Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:07 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:

Installing windows from scratch

navigating through the windows initial setup

and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from

files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.

BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with

narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who

really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

 

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

> It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys

> is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage

> is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change

> it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with

> no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does

> not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one

> has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader

> is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt

> Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I don’t understand this one.

> Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t

> need sighted help to install most screen readers.

> All the best

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> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond

> Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will

> recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work

> without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right

> mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer

> computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other

> screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Well it's not behind their backs.

> I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and

> they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a

> selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is

> the best user interface.

> Glenn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just

> want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

> You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not

> appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the

> blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially

> when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

> That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also

> narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common

> with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny

> <glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

> 

> If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would

> include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

> This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,

> where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

> I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

> But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything

> they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is

> not.

> It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it

> does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier

> to recruit Jaws users.

> Glenn

> Â

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,

> it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help

> you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Hi Chris,

> Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking

> about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

> In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are

> available to existing jaws owners only

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ

> an sma or upgrade licence

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Fi Billy,

> The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as

> yet.

> However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS

> products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the

> price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I

> don’t think.

> Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as

> has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet

> your needs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"

> <billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:

> hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom

> Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other

> ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

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moderated Re: different dos screen readers back in 1989

Boston, Jason W
 

Jaws for Dos is older then this and I’m not sure when it started, but my aunt had it in 1983.

 

JFW started with windows 3.1 I think about 1995. I started using JFW in 1995 on windows 95 machine.

 

 

Thanks,

Jason

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 8:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: different dos screen readers back in 1989

 


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Good morning everyone,

 

I dont know personally if jaws existed back in 1989, but I know for absolute 100% certainty that a really, really good screen reader for dos existed back in the Spring of 1989 called Slimware, which was developped by a programmer really nice fellow by the name of David Costician, who was the owner and head of the company that made and was constantly updating this screen reader called Slimware that was based in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. It was this screen reader for dos called slimware after I was introduced to it back in the Spring of 1989 at the head ofice of the Canadian National Institute for the Blind in Toronto, Canada that was the first screen reader that I used that I startaed using in September of that year 1989 on a dos laptop computer.

 

Later in the early 90s this programmer  David Cosstician developed a really, really good screen reader for Windows called Windowbridge, which was being updated constantly and coming out with new releases often, which I personally was using as my Windows screen reader back then,  until the very surpriseingly, unfortunate death of this very nice programmer fellow David Costician later on around 2001, which subsequently ended any future developments of this really, really good Windows screen reader called Windowbridge back in 2001. So it was at that point back in 2001 that I started using jaws for Windows. I cant say with 100% certainty, but I believe this really, really good screen reder for windows called Windowbridge was the first screen reader of any kind to work with Windows programs.

 

Also back in 1989 there was also a dos screen reader called Arctic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Hank

 

 

From: Dave Durber

Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 5:53 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Ceigard:

 

As far as I remember, the last version release for JAWS for DOS, was 3.62.

 

In addition to the screen readers and synthesizers backthen, there was also the VersaBraille I and VersaBraille II and II+. With its emulator, Vert, VB users could interact directly with the VB and their DOS computer. Many programs were written for the VB II and II+, including Duxbury.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

But that must have already been a different version of Jaws than the Jaws for DOS I had in 1989 which I think was also version 1.something.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: November 2, 2021 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi,

Yes, JAWS 1.0 supported Windows 3.1 when it was released in Jan 95.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 18:31:51 "Glenn / Lenny" <glenn@...> wrote:

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1,
before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

Gerald

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best

Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy






 

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Howard Traxler
 

And when the list owners catch us changing the subject line, they say we are high jacking the thread and it's a no no.

Howard

On 11/4/2021 2:16 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

 

 

From: Judy
Sent: 04 November 2021 19:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hello, I just randomly read this post. This subject line has been up for days, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have time to read every single post on this busy list. So the couple I have read had nothing to do with Jaws cost. A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore.  Please stop this. Judy & Libby

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth

Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:07 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:

Installing windows from scratch

navigating through the windows initial setup

and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from

files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.

BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with

narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who

really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

 

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

> It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys

> is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage

> is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change

> it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with

> no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does

> not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one

> has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader

> is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt

> Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I don’t understand this one.

> Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t

> need sighted help to install most screen readers.

> All the best

> Steve

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> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond

> Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will

> recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work

> without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right

> mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer

> computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other

> screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Well it's not behind their backs.

> I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and

> they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a

> selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is

> the best user interface.

> Glenn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just

> want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

> You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not

> appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the

> blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially

> when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

> That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also

> narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common

> with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny

> <glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

> 

> If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would

> include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

> This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,

> where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

> I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

> But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything

> they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is

> not.

> It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it

> does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier

> to recruit Jaws users.

> Glenn

> Â

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,

> it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help

> you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Hi Chris,

> Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking

> about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

> In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are

> available to existing jaws owners only

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ

> an sma or upgrade licence

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Fi Billy,

> The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as

> yet.

> However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS

> products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the

> price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I

> don’t think.

> Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as

> has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet

> your needs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"

> <billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:

> hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom

> Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other

> ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

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moderated Re: Task Bar in Windows 11

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well, I haven’t found a problem with Windows+t then hitting enter on any of the applications I arrow to.

 

Like Sieghard, I tend to use either the Windows key plus the number corresponding to where the app is in the list, 1 for Outlook, 2 for Edge, etc.

Or, I have defined my own hotkeys for programs I use like control+alt+e for Excel.

 

I only use first letter navigation when I  am in a list like in file explorer.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 7:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Task Bar in Windows 11

 

I am using JFW 2022, and I just upgraded to Windows 11.  (Probably not a wise move)

If I hit Windows-t to go to the task bar, I can arrow right or left to go through the items on the task bar.  If I hit enter or space bar on one of them, it usually does nothing.  If I go back into the task bar and do it again, the app opens.

With Windows 10, I used to also be able to use first letter navigation.  Open the task bar, hit c for calendar, then Enter.  First letter navigation does not seem to work in Windows 11.  I also tried it with NVDA and Narrator.  Same result.

Any thoughts?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

(This address is used for lists I subscribe to.)

 


moderated Re: Task Bar in Windows 11

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I haven't upgraded yet, but keep in mind that you can access anything on the taskbar with a single keyboard shortcut which is Windows Key + Number Row 1 through 0 for up to ten items.

Of course this means you have to memorize the order of programs on your taskbar, but let's assume you have the following applications on the taskbar from left to right:

 

Microsoft Edge, Excel, Word, Outlook, Notepad, there are 5 items here

If you want to open Edge all you would have to do from anywhere is to press Windows Key + 1, if you want Excel it's Windows Key + 2, Windows Key + 3 would open Word etc.

I am sure this has not changed in Windows 11, why you can't open programs if you press enter on them I don't know.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Berrier
Sent: November 4, 2021 7:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Task Bar in Windows 11

 

I am using JFW 2022, and I just upgraded to Windows 11.  (Probably not a wise move)

If I hit Windows-t to go to the task bar, I can arrow right or left to go through the items on the task bar.  If I hit enter or space bar on one of them, it usually does nothing.  If I go back into the task bar and do it again, the app opens.

With Windows 10, I used to also be able to use first letter navigation.  Open the task bar, hit c for calendar, then Enter.  First letter navigation does not seem to work in Windows 11.  I also tried it with NVDA and Narrator.  Same result.

Any thoughts?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

(This address is used for lists I subscribe to.)

 


moderated Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Madison,

I hate to say "I told you so", but keep this experience in mind whenever the next major update to an operating system comes along, it really is better to wait sometimes and not to be among the first group of people to upgrade especially if as you say you are not comfortable with potentially wiping out your entire system and starting from scratch.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: November 4, 2021 11:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

I'm not at all comfortable even attempting to do this, wish there was some other solution that doesn't involve uninstalling and re-installing programs, doing this for Jaws was hard enough using Narrator.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

As somebody else pointed out before, since you probably did an in-place upgrade it may just be the time to make sure you have a backup of your data and wipe the system clean and then do a clean install of Windows 11 from a USB installation drive, then reinstall Jaws and Office via your Microsoft 365 subscription and see if this clears up the issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 4:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue


On 2/11/21 18:29, Vaughan Dodd wrote:
Not experiencing this. In fact, Windows 11 with v2022 of Jaws and all
Office apps up-to-date - most stable and responsive I have ever had.
It's the same for me - no additional issues with JAWS 2022.

Microsoft Outlook becomes unresponsive and needs to be restarted sometimes when I'm accessing IMAP folders, but that has been an issue for years. Under Windows 11 and JAWS 2022, it does seem to be more responsive in general (save for that long-standing bug).


moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Bill White
 

Hi, David. BARD doesn't bypass the reset password function. If you enter your BARD username, and press the login button without entering a password, BARD offers you the opportunity to reset your password.

 

If you go to Update Account Info, and try to do it there, it is a change password option, not a reset password option. Therefore, that Change Password link requires that you enter your old password, before you can change it. If you don't know the old password, you can't use the Change Password option. You must use the Reset Password option at the login page.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

Jim, true most sites have the forgot “password” link.  I guess Bard, bypasses that link and as Judy stated, you just need to change it.  At least to change it they don’t, I hope want you to enter the old one for verification purposes?  LOL. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: November 4, 2021 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

If you forgot your password Bard will want you to change it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Task Bar in Windows 11

 

Jerry,

You really may want to consider subscribing to the Windows Access with Screen Readers group.

Discussion of Windows 11 and the quirks of same are fairly active at the moment.

--

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moderated Task Bar in Windows 11

Jerry Berrier
 

I am using JFW 2022, and I just upgraded to Windows 11.  (Probably not a wise move)

If I hit Windows-t to go to the task bar, I can arrow right or left to go through the items on the task bar.  If I hit enter or space bar on one of them, it usually does nothing.  If I go back into the task bar and do it again, the app opens.

With Windows 10, I used to also be able to use first letter navigation.  Open the task bar, hit c for calendar, then Enter.  First letter navigation does not seem to work in Windows 11.  I also tried it with NVDA and Narrator.  Same result.

Any thoughts?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

(This address is used for lists I subscribe to.)

 


moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

David Diamond
 

Jim, true most sites have the forgot “password” link.  I guess Bard, bypasses that link and as Judy stated, you just need to change it.  At least to change it they don’t, I hope want you to enter the old one for verification purposes?  LOL. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: November 4, 2021 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

If you forgot your password Bard will want you to change it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Judy
 

If you forgot your password Bard will want you to change it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Gerald Levy
 


And maybe if this list didn't have an absentee owner/moderator, there wouldn't be so much complaining about threads that drift off topic and turn into chit chat discussions that have nothing to do with JAWS.  If the owner/moderator doesn't want to bother moderating this list, then he should turn it over to somebody who will.


Gerald



On 11/4/2021 4:56 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Maybe brian and co, should lead by example, rather than moaning about it

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 04 November 2021 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 03:16 PM, Chris wrote:

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

-
Did you even bother reading the concern, which has now been expressed by three of us (at least)?:  "A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore. Please stop this."

It's actually considered rude not to give accurately descriptive titles, which this one was at the outset, when NEW topics are spun-off of an existing one.

This is not new, it is not difficult, and it should be standard practice to start a new topic when you know you're actually doing just that, and giving it a title that's reflective of the actual content.

This is not an, "I'm tired of this topic, please stop!!," complaint, which should be met with precisely what you said, "Mute it."   It's concern that this particular topic has now covered a number of completely unrelated ones that could very well be of interest to the membership, many of whom may have already muted this particular topic long ago.
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It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

 


moderated Netiquette Lesson - Always create a new topic that describes what's in it accurately

 

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 04:56 PM, Chris wrote:
Maybe brian and co, should lead by example, rather than moaning about it
-
So, if you'd rather we "moan about" a legitimate problem in a separate topic, here you are.  You're being a horse's derriere.

25 Forum Posting Etiquette Tips

Note, particularly, number 3.

The article above was originally posted all the way back in 2007, which is eons ago in the computer age.  It has withstood the test of time, with the exception of recommending against using HTML formatted messages, as these have become a de facto standard since. 

One addition to that list should be:  Please, when you send a message asking for assistance and find the answer yourself prior to someone else having managed to do so, don’t post something like, “It’s OK, I fixed it.”  It's rude to leave the readership hanging  once you've determined a solution. If you were looking for how to fix it, later searchers will also be looking for that answer.  Since you know how, add the, “and here’s how,” part afterward.  Many will bless you, even though you don’t know they do.

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Chris
 

Maybe brian and co, should lead by example, rather than moaning about it

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 04 November 2021 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 03:16 PM, Chris wrote:

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

-
Did you even bother reading the concern, which has now been expressed by three of us (at least)?:  "A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore. Please stop this."

It's actually considered rude not to give accurately descriptive titles, which this one was at the outset, when NEW topics are spun-off of an existing one.

This is not new, it is not difficult, and it should be standard practice to start a new topic when you know you're actually doing just that, and giving it a title that's reflective of the actual content.

This is not an, "I'm tired of this topic, please stop!!," complaint, which should be met with precisely what you said, "Mute it."   It's concern that this particular topic has now covered a number of completely unrelated ones that could very well be of interest to the membership, many of whom may have already muted this particular topic long ago.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader Changing subject lines

David Diamond
 

Muting the topic does not always solve the problem.  I just gage who it is coming from and respond accordingly. If they are a chronic complainer, the delete key gets a workout.  I tried just putting them in the block senders list but, often that blocks the entire group not the sender.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: November 4, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

 

 

From: Judy
Sent: 04 November 2021 19:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hello, I just randomly read this post. This subject line has been up for days, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have time to read every single post on this busy list. So the couple I have read had nothing to do with Jaws cost. A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore.  Please stop this. Judy & Libby

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth

Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:07 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:

Installing windows from scratch

navigating through the windows initial setup

and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from

files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.

BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with

narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who

really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

 

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

> It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys

> is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage

> is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change

> it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with

> no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does

> not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one

> has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader

> is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt

> Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I don’t understand this one.

> Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t

> need sighted help to install most screen readers.

> All the best

> Steve

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> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond

> Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will

> recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work

> without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right

> mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer

> computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other

> screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Well it's not behind their backs.

> I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and

> they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a

> selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is

> the best user interface.

> Glenn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just

> want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

> You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not

> appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the

> blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially

> when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

> That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also

> narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common

> with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny

> <glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

> 

> If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would

> include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

> This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,

> where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

> I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

> But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything

> they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is

> not.

> It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it

> does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier

> to recruit Jaws users.

> Glenn

> Â

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,

> it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help

> you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Hi Chris,

> Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking

> about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

> In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are

> available to existing jaws owners only

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ

> an sma or upgrade licence

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Fi Billy,

> The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as

> yet.

> However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS

> products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the

> price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I

> don’t think.

> Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as

> has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet

> your needs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"

> <billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:

> hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom

> Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other

> ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

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