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moderated Task Bar in Windows 11

Jerry Berrier
 

I am using JFW 2022, and I just upgraded to Windows 11.  (Probably not a wise move)

If I hit Windows-t to go to the task bar, I can arrow right or left to go through the items on the task bar.  If I hit enter or space bar on one of them, it usually does nothing.  If I go back into the task bar and do it again, the app opens.

With Windows 10, I used to also be able to use first letter navigation.  Open the task bar, hit c for calendar, then Enter.  First letter navigation does not seem to work in Windows 11.  I also tried it with NVDA and Narrator.  Same result.

Any thoughts?

 

 

Jerry Berrier

(This address is used for lists I subscribe to.)

 


moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

David Diamond
 

Jim, true most sites have the forgot “password” link.  I guess Bard, bypasses that link and as Judy stated, you just need to change it.  At least to change it they don’t, I hope want you to enter the old one for verification purposes?  LOL. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: November 4, 2021 2:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

If you forgot your password Bard will want you to change it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Judy
 

If you forgot your password Bard will want you to change it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Gerald Levy
 


And maybe if this list didn't have an absentee owner/moderator, there wouldn't be so much complaining about threads that drift off topic and turn into chit chat discussions that have nothing to do with JAWS.  If the owner/moderator doesn't want to bother moderating this list, then he should turn it over to somebody who will.


Gerald



On 11/4/2021 4:56 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Maybe brian and co, should lead by example, rather than moaning about it

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 04 November 2021 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 03:16 PM, Chris wrote:

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

-
Did you even bother reading the concern, which has now been expressed by three of us (at least)?:  "A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore. Please stop this."

It's actually considered rude not to give accurately descriptive titles, which this one was at the outset, when NEW topics are spun-off of an existing one.

This is not new, it is not difficult, and it should be standard practice to start a new topic when you know you're actually doing just that, and giving it a title that's reflective of the actual content.

This is not an, "I'm tired of this topic, please stop!!," complaint, which should be met with precisely what you said, "Mute it."   It's concern that this particular topic has now covered a number of completely unrelated ones that could very well be of interest to the membership, many of whom may have already muted this particular topic long ago.
--

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moderated Netiquette Lesson - Always create a new topic that describes what's in it accurately

 

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 04:56 PM, Chris wrote:
Maybe brian and co, should lead by example, rather than moaning about it
-
So, if you'd rather we "moan about" a legitimate problem in a separate topic, here you are.  You're being a horse's derriere.

25 Forum Posting Etiquette Tips

Note, particularly, number 3.

The article above was originally posted all the way back in 2007, which is eons ago in the computer age.  It has withstood the test of time, with the exception of recommending against using HTML formatted messages, as these have become a de facto standard since. 

One addition to that list should be:  Please, when you send a message asking for assistance and find the answer yourself prior to someone else having managed to do so, don’t post something like, “It’s OK, I fixed it.”  It's rude to leave the readership hanging  once you've determined a solution. If you were looking for how to fix it, later searchers will also be looking for that answer.  Since you know how, add the, “and here’s how,” part afterward.  Many will bless you, even though you don’t know they do.

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Chris
 

Maybe brian and co, should lead by example, rather than moaning about it

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 04 November 2021 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 03:16 PM, Chris wrote:

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

-
Did you even bother reading the concern, which has now been expressed by three of us (at least)?:  "A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore. Please stop this."

It's actually considered rude not to give accurately descriptive titles, which this one was at the outset, when NEW topics are spun-off of an existing one.

This is not new, it is not difficult, and it should be standard practice to start a new topic when you know you're actually doing just that, and giving it a title that's reflective of the actual content.

This is not an, "I'm tired of this topic, please stop!!," complaint, which should be met with precisely what you said, "Mute it."   It's concern that this particular topic has now covered a number of completely unrelated ones that could very well be of interest to the membership, many of whom may have already muted this particular topic long ago.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader Changing subject lines

David Diamond
 

Muting the topic does not always solve the problem.  I just gage who it is coming from and respond accordingly. If they are a chronic complainer, the delete key gets a workout.  I tried just putting them in the block senders list but, often that blocks the entire group not the sender.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: November 4, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

 

 

From: Judy
Sent: 04 November 2021 19:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hello, I just randomly read this post. This subject line has been up for days, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have time to read every single post on this busy list. So the couple I have read had nothing to do with Jaws cost. A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore.  Please stop this. Judy & Libby

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth

Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:07 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:

Installing windows from scratch

navigating through the windows initial setup

and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from

files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.

BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with

narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who

really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

 

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

> It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys

> is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage

> is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change

> it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with

> no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does

> not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one

> has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader

> is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt

> Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I don’t understand this one.

> Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t

> need sighted help to install most screen readers.

> All the best

> Steve

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> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond

> Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will

> recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work

> without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right

> mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer

> computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other

> screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Well it's not behind their backs.

> I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and

> they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a

> selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is

> the best user interface.

> Glenn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just

> want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

> You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not

> appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the

> blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially

> when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

> That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also

> narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common

> with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny

> <glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

> 

> If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would

> include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

> This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,

> where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

> I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

> But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything

> they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is

> not.

> It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it

> does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier

> to recruit Jaws users.

> Glenn

> Â

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,

> it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help

> you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Hi Chris,

> Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking

> about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

> In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are

> available to existing jaws owners only

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ

> an sma or upgrade licence

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Fi Billy,

> The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as

> yet.

> However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS

> products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the

> price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I

> don’t think.

> Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as

> has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet

> your needs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"

> <billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:

> hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom

> Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other

> ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 03:16 PM, Chris wrote:
You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it
-
Did you even bother reading the concern, which has now been expressed by three of us (at least)?:  "A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore. Please stop this."

It's actually considered rude not to give accurately descriptive titles, which this one was at the outset, when NEW topics are spun-off of an existing one.

This is not new, it is not difficult, and it should be standard practice to start a new topic when you know you're actually doing just that, and giving it a title that's reflective of the actual content.

This is not an, "I'm tired of this topic, please stop!!," complaint, which should be met with precisely what you said, "Mute it."   It's concern that this particular topic has now covered a number of completely unrelated ones that could very well be of interest to the membership, many of whom may have already muted this particular topic long ago.
--

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moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Ann Byrne
 

On this screen, the 'reset password" is just after the login button

https://nlsbard.loc.gov/nlsbardprod/login//NLS

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site to sign in I , Don't see the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Glenn / Lenny
 

I believe my state library people told me that it has not yet been set up for that.
So you may need to call them to have them eMail you a temporary password.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 2:42 PM
Subject: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If you are not finding the link, call your regional library and they can send you a reset your password email.

 

 

 

 

Richard

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Chris
 

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

 

 

From: Judy
Sent: 04 November 2021 19:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hello, I just randomly read this post. This subject line has been up for days, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have time to read every single post on this busy list. So the couple I have read had nothing to do with Jaws cost. A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore.  Please stop this. Judy & Libby

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth

Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:07 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:

Installing windows from scratch

navigating through the windows initial setup

and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from

files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.

BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with

narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who

really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

 

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

> It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys

> is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage

> is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change

> it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with

> no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does

> not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one

> has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader

> is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt

> Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I don’t understand this one.

> Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t

> need sighted help to install most screen readers.

> All the best

> Steve

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> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond

> Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will

> recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work

> without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right

> mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer

> computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other

> screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Well it's not behind their backs.

> I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and

> they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a

> selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is

> the best user interface.

> Glenn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just

> want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

> You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not

> appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the

> blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially

> when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

> That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also

> narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common

> with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny

> <glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

> 

> If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would

> include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

> This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,

> where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

> I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

> But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything

> they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is

> not.

> It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it

> does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier

> to recruit Jaws users.

> Glenn

> Â

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,

> it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help

> you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Hi Chris,

> Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking

> about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

> In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are

> available to existing jaws owners only

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ

> an sma or upgrade licence

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Fi Billy,

> The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as

> yet.

> However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS

> products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the

> price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I

> don’t think.

> Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as

> has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet

> your needs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"

> <billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:

> hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom

> Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other

> ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

> Â

> Â

> Â

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Judy
 

Hello, I just randomly read this post. This subject line has been up for days, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have time to read every single post on this busy list. So the couple I have read had nothing to do with Jaws cost. A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore. Please stop this. Judy & Libby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:
Installing windows from scratch
navigating through the windows initial setup
and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from
files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.
BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with
narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who
really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:
It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys
is not the proper term. To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage
is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change
it. All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with
no active screen reader. Even pasting the link from another computer does
not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one
has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader
is working. For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I don’t understand this one.

Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t
need sighted help to install most screen readers.

All the best

Steve

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From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will
recommend another one? As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work
without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right
mouse button. Why is that important? Because when I’ve got a newer
computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other
screen reader. Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Well it's not behind their backs.
I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and
they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a
selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is
the best user interface.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just
want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not
appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the
blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially
when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also
narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common
with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny
<glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would
include a Jaws layout for those who want it.
This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,
where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.
I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.
But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything
they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is
not.
It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it
does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier
to recruit Jaws users.
Glenn
Â
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,
it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help
you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking
about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"
<chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are
available to existing jaws owners only
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"
<chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ
an sma or upgrade licence
Â
Â
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as
yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS
products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the
price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I
don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as
has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet
your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom
Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other
ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
Â
Â
Â
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moderated Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

Madison Martin
 

I'm not at all comfortable even attempting to do this, wish there was some other solution that doesn't involve uninstalling and re-installing programs, doing this for Jaws was hard enough using Narrator.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

As somebody else pointed out before, since you probably did an in-place upgrade it may just be the time to make sure you have a backup of your data and wipe the system clean and then do a clean install of Windows 11 from a USB installation drive, then reinstall Jaws and Office via your Microsoft 365 subscription and see if this clears up the issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 4:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue


On 2/11/21 18:29, Vaughan Dodd wrote:
Not experiencing this. In fact, Windows 11 with v2022 of Jaws and all
Office apps up-to-date - most stable and responsive I have ever had.
It's the same for me - no additional issues with JAWS 2022.

Microsoft Outlook becomes unresponsive and needs to be restarted sometimes when I'm accessing IMAP folders, but that has been an issue for years. Under Windows 11 and JAWS 2022, it does seem to be more responsive in general (save for that long-standing bug).


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Chris
 

If you cannot figure out narrator, then jaws must be way beyond your capabilities in that case,

 

Its not difficult to get your head around the basics of any screen reader, especially if you have used one before

 

 

From: David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Well it's not behind their backs.

I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is the best user interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users. 

 

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially when the accusation is made behind their backs. 

 

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS. 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.

It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 

 

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Davis School District
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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
 

Brian, generally when I want to comment on changing the subject line, which is rare like you, I put in the subject line the topic.  I almost missed your post because you forgot to change it and I thought you were commenting on my inability to use Narrator when setting up JAWS.  True the cost of Jaws subject has morphed into something completely different.  My main reason for changing the subject line is, if I complain about it not being changed, I leave myself open for the same criticism.  Smile. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 4, 2021 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Gentlemen,

           I'm generally the last person to complain about thread drift, which is when, after an initial query is answered, some other odd side conversation or conversations ensue.

           But we're well past that.  Technical topics that would be of interest to other readers who've likely long ago muted this topic are being raised and answers given.  Please split these off into dedicated topics with accurately descriptive titles.  You're more likely to get more views and a wider range of options, and future archive searchers will find it easier to locate appropriate topics.
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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Edward Green
 

Hi Steve,

And the global commands extension addon does much of the heavy lifting.

Cheers,

Ed

On 4 November 2021 11:56:08 "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

You can create your own JAWS layout if you wish. The NVDA keys are all reassignable.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 04 November 2021 04:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Well it's not behind their backs.

I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is the best user interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users. 

 

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially when the accusation is made behind their backs. 

 

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS. 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.

It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 

 

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hareth
 

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:
Installing windows from scratch
navigating through the windows initial setup
and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from
files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.
BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with
narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who
really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:
It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys
is not the proper term. To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage
is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change
it. All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with
no active screen reader. Even pasting the link from another computer does
not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one
has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader
is working. For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I don’t understand this one.

Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t
need sighted help to install most screen readers.

All the best

Steve

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From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will
recommend another one? As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work
without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right
mouse button. Why is that important? Because when I’ve got a newer
computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other
screen reader. Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Well it's not behind their backs.
I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and
they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a
selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is
the best user interface.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just
want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not
appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the
blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially
when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also
narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common
with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny
<glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would
include a Jaws layout for those who want it.
This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,
where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.
I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.
But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything
they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is
not.
It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it
does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier
to recruit Jaws users.
Glenn
Â
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,
it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help
you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking
about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"
<chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are
available to existing jaws owners only
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"
<chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ
an sma or upgrade licence
Â
Â
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as
yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS
products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the
price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I
don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as
has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet
your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom
Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other
ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
Â
Â
Â
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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Loy
 


I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I don’t understand this one.

 

Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t need sighted help to install most screen readers.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Well it's not behind their backs.

I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is the best user interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users. 

 

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially when the accusation is made behind their backs. 

 

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS. 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.

It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 

 

--

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NLS-LOC Certified UEB Transcriber
Teacher for Students with Visual Impairments
Davis School District
 CONTACT
I will reply to communication between the hours of 7:15-15:00pm MST

Voice/Text
Office +1 (801) 402-5955
Google Voice +1 (385) 645-7021
(text message or call and leave a voicemail, and I will return your call ASAP)
Email ryhunsaker@...
 Mailing Addresses
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