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moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Ann Byrne
 

On this screen, the 'reset password" is just after the login button

https://nlsbard.loc.gov/nlsbardprod/login//NLS

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site to sign in I , Don't see the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Glenn / Lenny
 

I believe my state library people told me that it has not yet been set up for that.
So you may need to call them to have them eMail you a temporary password.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 2:42 PM
Subject: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If you are not finding the link, call your regional library and they can send you a reset your password email.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

 

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated having trouble signing into Bard on my windows ten computer.

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all,

I forgot my pass word, and when I go to the web site   to sign in I , Don’t see  the link that says forgot pass word. I see the link that says change your pass word, gut I need the link that says forgot password, so I can put in my secret questioners. How dan I find that link? I am using jaws 2021 and   windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Chris
 

You can always mute the topic if you are not interested or fed up of it

 

 

From: Judy
Sent: 04 November 2021 19:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hello, I just randomly read this post. This subject line has been up for days, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have time to read every single post on this busy list. So the couple I have read had nothing to do with Jaws cost. A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore.  Please stop this. Judy & Libby

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth

Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:07 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:

Installing windows from scratch

navigating through the windows initial setup

and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from

files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.

BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with

narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who

really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

 

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:

> It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys

> is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage

> is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change

> it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with

> no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does

> not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one

> has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader

> is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt

> Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I don’t understand this one.

> Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t

> need sighted help to install most screen readers.

> All the best

> Steve

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> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond

> Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will

> recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work

> without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right

> mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer

> computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other

> screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

> From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny

> Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Well it's not behind their backs.

> I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and

> they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a

> selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is

> the best user interface.

> Glenn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just

> want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

> You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not

> appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the

> blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially

> when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

> That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also

> narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common

> with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny

> <glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

> 

> If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would

> include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

> This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,

> where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

> I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

> But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything

> they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is

> not.

> It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it

> does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier

> to recruit Jaws users.

> Glenn

> Â

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,

> it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help

> you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Hi Chris,

> Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking

> about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

> In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are

> available to existing jaws owners only

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"

> <chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>

> wrote:

> Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ

> an sma or upgrade licence

> Â

> Â

> Â

> Â

> From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>

> Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56

> To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

> Â

> Fi Billy,

> The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as

> yet.

> However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS

> products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the

> price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I

> don’t think.

> Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as

> has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet

> your needs.

> Cheers,

> Ed

> On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"

> <billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:

> hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom

> Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other

> ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

> Â

> Â

> Â

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Judy
 

Hello, I just randomly read this post. This subject line has been up for days, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't have time to read every single post on this busy list. So the couple I have read had nothing to do with Jaws cost. A lot of us could miss something that may be helpful to us if all of you would write a new post with the correct subject line. This is really frustrating, as I assume the subject line fits the message, which it doesn't anymore. Please stop this. Judy & Libby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:
Installing windows from scratch
navigating through the windows initial setup
and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from
files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.
BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with
narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who
really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:
It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys
is not the proper term. To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage
is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change
it. All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with
no active screen reader. Even pasting the link from another computer does
not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one
has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader
is working. For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I don’t understand this one.

Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t
need sighted help to install most screen readers.

All the best

Steve

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From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will
recommend another one? As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work
without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right
mouse button. Why is that important? Because when I’ve got a newer
computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other
screen reader. Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Well it's not behind their backs.
I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and
they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a
selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is
the best user interface.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just
want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not
appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the
blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially
when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also
narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common
with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny
<glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would
include a Jaws layout for those who want it.
This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,
where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.
I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.
But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything
they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is
not.
It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it
does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier
to recruit Jaws users.
Glenn
Â
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,
it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help
you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking
about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"
<chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are
available to existing jaws owners only
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"
<chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ
an sma or upgrade licence
Â
Â
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as
yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS
products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the
price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I
don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as
has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet
your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom
Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other
ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
Â
Â
Â
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moderated Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

Madison Martin
 

I'm not at all comfortable even attempting to do this, wish there was some other solution that doesn't involve uninstalling and re-installing programs, doing this for Jaws was hard enough using Narrator.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

As somebody else pointed out before, since you probably did an in-place upgrade it may just be the time to make sure you have a backup of your data and wipe the system clean and then do a clean install of Windows 11 from a USB installation drive, then reinstall Jaws and Office via your Microsoft 365 subscription and see if this clears up the issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 4:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue


On 2/11/21 18:29, Vaughan Dodd wrote:
Not experiencing this. In fact, Windows 11 with v2022 of Jaws and all
Office apps up-to-date - most stable and responsive I have ever had.
It's the same for me - no additional issues with JAWS 2022.

Microsoft Outlook becomes unresponsive and needs to be restarted sometimes when I'm accessing IMAP folders, but that has been an issue for years. Under Windows 11 and JAWS 2022, it does seem to be more responsive in general (save for that long-standing bug).


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Chris
 

If you cannot figure out narrator, then jaws must be way beyond your capabilities in that case,

 

Its not difficult to get your head around the basics of any screen reader, especially if you have used one before

 

 

From: David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Well it's not behind their backs.

I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is the best user interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users. 

 

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially when the accusation is made behind their backs. 

 

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS. 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.

It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 

 

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
 

Brian, generally when I want to comment on changing the subject line, which is rare like you, I put in the subject line the topic.  I almost missed your post because you forgot to change it and I thought you were commenting on my inability to use Narrator when setting up JAWS.  True the cost of Jaws subject has morphed into something completely different.  My main reason for changing the subject line is, if I complain about it not being changed, I leave myself open for the same criticism.  Smile. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 4, 2021 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Gentlemen,

           I'm generally the last person to complain about thread drift, which is when, after an initial query is answered, some other odd side conversation or conversations ensue.

           But we're well past that.  Technical topics that would be of interest to other readers who've likely long ago muted this topic are being raised and answers given.  Please split these off into dedicated topics with accurately descriptive titles.  You're more likely to get more views and a wider range of options, and future archive searchers will find it easier to locate appropriate topics.
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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Edward Green
 

Hi Steve,

And the global commands extension addon does much of the heavy lifting.

Cheers,

Ed

On 4 November 2021 11:56:08 "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

You can create your own JAWS layout if you wish. The NVDA keys are all reassignable.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 04 November 2021 04:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Well it's not behind their backs.

I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is the best user interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users. 

 

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially when the accusation is made behind their backs. 

 

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS. 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.

It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 

 

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Davis School District
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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hareth
 

Narrator sense one of win10 additions is more than enough to:
Installing windows from scratch
navigating through the windows initial setup
and after the above its good to install other screenreaders from
files, or even with internet browsing and downloading.
BTW, English is not my 1st language, I find win10 tts voice with
narrator just fine to understand. I'm probably not the only one who
really didn't get what you need narrator to do more than the above.

On 11/4/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:
It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys
is not the proper term. To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage
is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change
it. All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with
no active screen reader. Even pasting the link from another computer does
not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one
has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader
is working. For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I don’t understand this one.

Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t
need sighted help to install most screen readers.

All the best

Steve

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From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will
recommend another one? As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work
without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right
mouse button. Why is that important? Because when I’ve got a newer
computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other
screen reader. Thus sighted assistance is mandatory.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Well it's not behind their backs.
I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and
they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a
selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is
the best user interface.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Hunsaker<mailto:Hunsakerconsulting@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just
want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users.Â

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not
appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the
blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially
when the accusation is made behind their backs.Â

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also
narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common
with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS.Â

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny
<glenn@...<mailto:glenn@...>> wrote:

If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would
include a Jaws layout for those who want it.
This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode,
where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.
I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.
But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything
they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is
not.
It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it
does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier
to recruit Jaws users.
Glenn
Â
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy<mailto:loyrg2845@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA,
it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help
you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris via groups.io<mailto:chrismedley@...>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking
about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"
<chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are
available to existing jaws owners only
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io<http://groups.io>"
<chrismedley@...<mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>>
wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchaseÂ
an sma or upgrade licence
Â
Â
Â
Â
From: Edward Green<mailto:ergreen1981@...>
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Â

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as
yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS
products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the
price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I
don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as
has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet
your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...<mailto:billyinglis49@...>> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom
Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other
ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
Â
Â
Â
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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Loy
 


I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I don’t understand this one.

 

Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t need sighted help to install most screen readers.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Well it's not behind their backs.

I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is the best user interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users. 

 

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially when the accusation is made behind their backs. 

 

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS. 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.

It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 

 

--

Michael Ryan Hunsaker, M.Ed., Ph.D. (he/him)
NLS-LOC Certified UEB Transcriber
Teacher for Students with Visual Impairments
Davis School District
 CONTACT
I will reply to communication between the hours of 7:15-15:00pm MST

Voice/Text
Office +1 (801) 402-5955
Google Voice +1 (385) 645-7021
(text message or call and leave a voicemail, and I will return your call ASAP)
Email ryhunsaker@...
 Mailing Addresses
(Primary)
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325 South Main St
Kaysville, UT 84037

(Secondary)
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Kaysville, UT 84037

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On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 11:20 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
People don't need MS Office!
-
Said by someone who's clearly never had to deal with the slight, yet significant, file compatibility issues that occur frequently when LibreOffice (and other suites) create DOC or DOCX files that are not quite what MS-Office expects.

I use these suites, but warn people that the more complex the document, as in it contains more than just text, the more likely it is that it will not appear the same  when opened in MS-Office.
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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Glenn / Lenny
 

People don't need MS Office!
There's Libra Office, which can open MS documents and other documents made with other office products.
So folks can live without MS.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


I hope I don't offend you, but your statement "no one really has to use MS Office." Is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
I guess you could bypass Outlook in favour of doing email on the web or with Thunderbird, but if you are a Jaws user the Outlook experience especially with Jaws 2022 for the most part is fantastic and I sure wouldn't want to miss it.
I personally don't use Word a lot, but there are many who do and have to as part of their work/job, but for me I wonder what you would recommend as an alternative to Excel. I often work in Excel for hours each day because most of my suppliers have order forms in Excel format, when we switched to our new point of sale system last January all 8,000 or so items in our old point of sale system got exported into a CSV file which we spend many days editing using an Excel template which could then be imported into the new system and there really is no replacement for that.
Yes, if you are retired or maybe don't work and for the most part just do email and spend time online you maybe don't need Office, but just about anybody in a professional setting has to be at least somewhat proficient with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: November 3, 2021 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I sort of get that. I guess XP's file explorer didn't' have a ribbon (I barely remember, honestly) and some people don't like those. But I barely use menus directly, instead using keyboard commands and things like the run box to directly go to the appropriate screens within Windows, including settings. I'll grant that hunting around for stuff in Office can be time-consuming, especially if you can't remember direct keyboard commands for things, but, that's not really a part of Windows and noone really has to use MS Office.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: November 3, 2021 04:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi, JM. I think that what a lot of people mean when they compare XP to later versions of Windows is that the menus in XP were a lot easier to navigate, more readable, and more friendly. Now, it is difficult, especially within Microsoft Office to find what we need, and in Windows settings, some settings are both in Control panel and the Settings app, while some are only in Control Panel, and others, only in the Settings app.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

I really don't miss XP at all. I jumped from XP to Windows 10 and, right from the start, felt Windows 10 was more stable, more secure, had a better task manager, more robust tools, etc, etc (the list goes on and on). XP certainly had fewer background processes always wanting to run and hogs memory and resources less, so if you wanted to hang on to an old computer, I can see why a person might feel attached to it, but otherwise, I would certainly never wanna go back.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 11:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

As much as I liked XP and still do, the one thing that always pissed me off about it was that if you were copying a file from one place to another, XP did not look at the free space available before the transfer started, and it would start pasting until the destination was full, even if there was not enough space, and typically this meant that when it didn't get all the files copied, there was a partially copied file in the destination, when the user got the message that there was not enough room for the files. Then the user would have to figure out which one was only partially copied.
At the time, Linux had not been doing this to the user for a long time, so it made me mad that Microsoft had not implemented this feature into its operating system.
I don't know if MS did start doing this in Vista or 7.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


And Windows XP was, and still is, the best of them all, in my
opinion. Of course, using Windows XP nowadays could be construed as
commiting Security suicide, but I guess there were less buggy people
hanging around those days. Cheers!

On 3/11/2021 1:17 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Windows 95, as the name implies, was released in 1995, to be precise
and according to a Google search it was August 24, 1995.
Then came Windows 98 and 98SE:
Released in June 1998, Windows 98 built on Windows 95 and brought
with it IE 4, Outlook Express, Windows Address Book, Microsoft Chat
and NetShow Player, which was replaced by Windows Media Player 6.2 in
Windows 98 Second Edition in 1999.
In June of 2000 Windows ME (Millennium Edition) was released which in
retrospect was considered to be one of the worst versions of Windows
ever released.
Windows XP came along in October of 2001 and finally put a lot of
people who had upgraded to Millennium out of their misery.
In 2007 Windows Vista came along, another not so great Windows
version and in October 2009 Windows 7 once again did a lot better
until finally in 2015 Windows 10 was released.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Minor
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi Glenn and all.

I first started using JAWS in early 1996. It was why I became a
convert from DOS to Windows. Back then it only worked on Windows 3.1.
It was either in late 1996 or the following year that a release for
Windows 95 came out.

Just sharing what I know.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in
windows 3.1, before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
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*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ãf,Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ãf,Ã, In fact, I
don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ãf,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ãf,

Hi Billy,

Ãf,

I donÃf¢â,‰"¢t think it would.

Ãf,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ãf,

All the best


Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ãf,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ãf,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnÃf¢â,‰"¢t available
tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I
canÃf¢â,‰"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnÃf¢â,‰"¢t over Ãf,Ã,£150 I donÃf¢â,‰"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy

























moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Dave Durber
 


Ceigard:
 
I use that option for JAWS 2020, I haven't bothered to get it since.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi Dave, you do know that you can download an offline Jaws installer which has everything needed and where no internet connection is required?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: November 4, 2021 3:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

David:

 

Since Brian Smart released his Talking Windows Pre-environment (TWPE for Windows 7, I never needed any visual assistance to install Windows 7. Ditto when when I need to install windows 10.

 

In the past week, I have installed a fresh copy of Windows 10 on 4 computers, using Narrator to guide me through the installation process. Once the installation process for each computer was completed, and Windows was at the Desktop, I was able to use Narrator, to navigate to a USB drive, where I keep the program installation files, including for JAWS and NVDA. I tend to installNVDA first because the installation is quicker and it does not need to use the internet during its installation. Having got to the NVDA executable file and pressed ENTER on it, I waited for the start up sound for NVDA to play, then I unloaded Narrator and carried on using the talking installation for NVDA. Once NVDA was installed, I used NVDA to make some basic changes to windows 10, before installing the rest of the software, including JAWS. In another part of my life, independence at last.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 5:42 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Well it's not behind their backs.

I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is the best user interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users. 

 

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially when the accusation is made behind their backs. 

 

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS. 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.

It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 

 

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Dave Durber
 

Ceigard:

this morning, when I turned on my main computer, the icon for Gold Wave had vanished. Not a problem, it did not take me long to recreate the short cut on the Desktop.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


Different strokes for different folks, we usually only turn our computers at my retail store off on Saturday evening until Monday morning and I can usually go all week without ever having to reboot because of a crash. There are sometimes exceptions, but in Windows 7 I remember that typically I usually had to restart at some point during the day and sometimes more so for me it's the opposite experience from yours.
I do agree with respect to icons disappearing from the desktop, but it only ever happens to my user folder icon, the one you check in Settings > Personalization > Themes > Desktop Icon Settings.
I prefer to check the "User's Files" here which puts a shortcut to c:\users\My name at the very top left of the desktop above Recycle Bin and that one does sometimes disappear, it sometimes is months in between this happening and sometimes a few weeks, but I have never had any other application shortcuts, internet shortcuts etc. disappear.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: November 3, 2021 6:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ceigard:

I'm sorry, I cannot agree with you. With windows 10 I have had icons disappear from my desktop without warbing and for no reason, JAWS stops speaking for periods from a few seconds to almost a minute, the sound card ceases to function, until I restart Windows. I have several other complaints regarding Windows 10 but I will not list them heare.

I never had these problems with previous versions of Windows I used.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


No Windows has ever been as stable as Windows 10, not Windows 7 and
certainly not Windows XP. It always seems that after a long time old stuff
seems like it was better than it really was.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: November 3, 2021 12:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

And Windows XP was, and still is, the best of them all, in my opinion. Of
course, using Windows XP nowadays could be construed as commiting Security
suicide, but I guess there were less buggy people hanging around those
days. Cheers!

On 3/11/2021 1:17 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Windows 95, as the name implies, was released in 1995, to be precise and
according to a Google search it was August 24, 1995.
Then came Windows 98 and 98SE:
Released in June 1998, Windows 98 built on Windows 95 and brought with it
IE 4, Outlook Express, Windows Address Book, Microsoft Chat and NetShow
Player, which was replaced by Windows Media Player 6.2 in Windows 98
Second Edition in 1999.
In June of 2000 Windows ME (Millennium Edition) was released which in
retrospect was considered to be one of the worst versions of Windows ever
released.
Windows XP came along in October of 2001 and finally put a lot of people
who had upgraded to Millennium out of their misery.
In 2007 Windows Vista came along, another not so great Windows version
and in October 2009 Windows 7 once again did a lot better until finally
in 2015 Windows 10 was released.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi Glenn and all.

I first started using JAWS in early 1996. It was why I became a convert
from DOS to Windows. Back then it only worked on Windows 3.1. It was
either in late 1996 or the following year that a release for Windows 95
came out.

Just sharing what I know.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows
3.1, before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't
think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best


Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in
the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy









































moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

David Diamond
 

It does not tell me the proper term, insert on both left or right mouse keys is not the proper term.  To bee truthful, I’m not sure of what the verbiage is, I just found it annoying and I can’t seem to get into the menu to change it.  All in all, a real pain. I have no idea how to get a screen reader with no active screen reader.  Even pasting the link from another computer does not work as how do I know if it is pasted and then, once it gets there, one has to scroll down to download it, again how can that be done if no reader is working.  For those who’ve done it, enlighten me.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 4, 2021 4:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I don’t understand this one.

 

Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t need sighted help to install most screen readers.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Well it's not behind their backs.

I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is the best user interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users. 

 

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially when the accusation is made behind their backs. 

 

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS. 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.

It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 

 

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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Billy Inglis
 

Okay thanks Paul.
 

From: Life in Six Dots
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 12:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
 

Billy,

 

This year Sight and Sound ran the promotion in August. A new JAWS Home was £150 and £95 for an SMA which gives you two upgrades. The first would come out at the end of October.

 

Paul

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: Wednesday, 03 November 2021 10:11
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, any idea, when the summer sales will take place?, Billy 

 

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:11 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

Then I’d hang on for the summer sale.

Steve - yes I think Sight and Sound do use Divide By. This helps affordability-wise as it spreads the cost, but you’ll still end up paying full whack whereas you can get it cheap in the sale.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:48:35 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Steve Nutt
 

I don’t understand this one.

 

Narrator will let you do mouse clicks, and all kinds. Besides, you don’t need sighted help to install most screen readers.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 04 November 2021 05:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

People come on, do you really think NVDA or any other screen reader will recommend another one?  As for Narrator, I still can’t get it to work without it not using any terminology close to the left mouse button or right mouse button.  Why is that important?  Because when I’ve got a newer computer, it is virtually impossible to use narrator to install any other screen reader.  Thus sighted assistance is mandatory. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Well it's not behind their backs.

I have brought it up on a NVDA list where maintainers monitor and post and they all demonstrated no interest in including Jaws shortcuts as a selection, and state that folks just have to get used to what they think is the best user interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:59 AM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I work with and teach dolphin, NaRrator, JAWS, NVDA, and ChromeVox. I just want to point out that most maintainers of NVDA are screenreader users. 

 

You may disagree with how they set up the system and keystrokes, but it not appropriate to assume they are in some way indifferent to the needs of the blind community or actively antagonistic to the blind community. Especially when the accusation is made behind their backs. 

 

That said, there are guides online for migrating from JAWS to NVDA. But also narrator is an option, though it appears oftentimes to have more in common with Mac OS Voiceover than JAWS. 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 15:57 Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:



If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.

This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.

I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.

But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.

It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a  great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Chris,

Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.

In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 18:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 

 

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Teacher for Students with Visual Impairments
Davis School District
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