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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Dave Durber
 


Ceigard:
 
As far as I remember, the last version release for JAWS for DOS, was 3.62.
 
In addition to the screen readers and synthesizers backthen, there was also the VersaBraille I and VersaBraille II and II+. With its emulator, Vert, VB users could interact directly with the VB and their DOS computer. Many programs were written for the VB II and II+, including Duxbury.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

But that must have already been a different version of Jaws than the Jaws for DOS I had in 1989 which I think was also version 1.something.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: November 2, 2021 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi,

Yes, JAWS 1.0 supported Windows 3.1 when it was released in Jan 95.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 18:31:51 "Glenn / Lenny" <glenn@...> wrote:

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1,
before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

Gerald

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best

Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy







 


moderated Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

cédric Paulet
 

Good morning,

Sometimes, after a windows upgrade, Jaws must be repaired or reinstalled.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> De la part de Madison Martin
Envoyé : mardi 2 novembre 2021 23:06
À : main@jfw.groups.io
Objet : Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

Hi all,
I upgraded to Windows 11 yesterday and ever since I've noticed Outlook being
really slow, I've had to close it out multiple times and I've even had to
shut down my laptop a couple of times to get it to do anything. I have
trouble arrowing through messages and when I delete one Jaws just seems to
freeze up. I think this is a Jaws issue, when I use Narrator things seem to
work fine, but I'd really rather not have to switch to it permently. Just
wondering if anyone else has experienced this and if there's anything that
can be done about this?
Using latest versions of Jaws (2022), Office 365 and Windows 11. Really hope
someone can help me!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Dave Durber
 

Jaffar:

I could not agree with you more.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


And Windows XP was, and still is, the best of them all, in my opinion. Of course, using Windows XP nowadays could be construed as commiting Security suicide, but I guess there were less buggy people hanging around those days. Cheers!

On 3/11/2021 1:17 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Windows 95, as the name implies, was released in 1995, to be precise and according to a Google search it was August 24, 1995.
Then came Windows 98 and 98SE:
Released in June 1998, Windows 98 built on Windows 95 and brought with it IE 4, Outlook Express, Windows Address Book, Microsoft Chat and NetShow Player, which was replaced by Windows Media Player 6.2 in Windows 98 Second Edition in 1999.
In June of 2000 Windows ME (Millennium Edition) was released which in retrospect was considered to be one of the worst versions of Windows ever released.
Windows XP came along in October of 2001 and finally put a lot of people who had upgraded to Millennium out of their misery.
In 2007 Windows Vista came along, another not so great Windows version and in October 2009 Windows 7 once again did a lot better until finally in 2015 Windows 10 was released.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi Glenn and all.

I first started using JAWS in early 1996. It was why I became a convert from DOS to Windows. Back then it only worked on Windows 3.1. It was either in late 1996 or the following year that a release for Windows 95 came out.

Just sharing what I know.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1, before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best


Steve

Ã,

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy
























moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Dave Durber
 

Ceigard:

As far as I remember, all the versions of JAWS which have been designed to work with all versions of Windows , including Windows 3.1 and 3.11, have been called JFW or JAWS for Windows.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


Yes, Jaws did work with Windows 3.1/3.11, but I don't think it was called Jaws for Windows until 95 came out, but it's very long ago so I could be wrong.
Windows 3.1/3.11 really were more like shells sitting on top of DOS if I remember correctly.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1, before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best


Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Dave Durber
 


Howard:
 
Are you giving the synthesizers away? If not, how much would you want for the 2 DECTALK Express Synthesizers?
 
You can contact me off-list at:
 
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Is that a very deep grief?  If you'd like, I have for you five original DECtalk boxes, five full-sized DEC ISA boards, and two DECtalk express.  Glad to part with any of them.

Howard


On 11/2/2021 2:12 PM, Angel wrote:

I still grieve over the loss of the  Dec-Talk hardware synthesizer.  Which I still believe to be the finest speech synthesizer.  I think it even beats these modern human sounding synthesizers extent.   

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Gerald:

I used both the DECTALK PC and the Vert+ synthesizers, which in my opinion, wer the 2 clearest of all the synthesizers at the time.

Dave

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sorry, I stand corrected. How was the speech quality back in those days?  

Gerald

On 11/2/2021 1:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I am sorry to disappoint, but saying there was no Jaws in 1989 would be like saying there was no Microsoft before Windows.

When I immigrated to Canada from Germany in August of 1989 and shortly after started University I bought my first PC with the Microsoft DOS operating system from Kirk Reiser and Fred Stam from Intelligent Access Microware (IAM) based in London, Ontario where I went to the University of Western Ontario and where Kirk also worked for the University in the so-called Computer Braille Facility. That 386 IBM clone came with Jaws version 1.1, it had a 3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drive and for the time a huge 70 Mb hard drive; many of my fellow students still had 286 PC's with 20 Mb or 40 Mb hard drives and only 5.25 inch floppy drives..

I also had an HP Scanjet scanner and the Arkenstone OCR software, a Versapoint braille printer and a very small and portable notetaker with a braille keyboard and its own screenreader called a "Eureka", it had a contact manager/address book, a word processor, a calendar, a calculator and even a music composer and it also had a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive for transferring stuff to the computer and even a built-in modem because I think it may have had an email program as well.

A friend of mine in Germany was studying computer science at a University in Germany and we started using email in late 1989 as well, the program of choice back then was Eudora and Word Perfect was the most widely used word processor, Quattro was the spreadsheet of choice.

 

Here is a bit of information about Jaws at the time:

 

JAWS for Windows was originally called JAWS (Job Access With Speech). JAWS Version 1.0 was released in 1989 by Ted Henter, a former motorcycle racer who

lost his sight in a 1978 car accident.

 

In 1985, Henter along with Bill Joyce, founded the Henter-Joyce Corporation in St. Petersburg, Florida. Joyce sold his interest in the company back to

Ted Henter sometime in 1990.

 

JAWS was created for computer users who used the DOS (Disk Operated System). A unique feature of the JAWS program, was its use of cascading menus in the

style of the popular Lotus 1-2-3 application.

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A significant distinction of JAWS to that of other screen readers of that era, was its use of macros. Macros allowed users to customise the user interface

and so work better with numerous computer applications.

 

Ted Henter and Rex Skipper wrote the original JAWS code in the mid-1980s, releasing version 2.0 in 1990. When Skipper left the company, Charles Oppermann

was hired to maintain and improve the JAWS program.

 

Oppermann and Henter continually added minor and major features and frequently released new versions of JAWS. Freedom Scientific now offer JAWS for MS-DOS

as a freeware download from their web site.

 

In the early 1990s, Microsoft Windows became more popular and Oppermann started to design a new version of JAWS. A principle design goal was to maintain

the natural user interface of Windows and to continue to provide a strong macro facility. It was around this time that JAWS was renamed JAWS for Windows

(JFW) and Beta versions of JAWS for Windows went on show and were demonstrated at many conferences throughout 1993 and 1994.

 

During this time developer Glen Gordon started working on the JAWS for Windows code, ultimately taking over its development when Oppermann was hired by

Microsoft in November of 1994 and in January 1995, JAWS for Windows 1.0 was released.

 

In April 2000, Henter-Joyce, Blazie Engineering, and Arkenstone, Inc. all merged together to form Freedom Scientific.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy




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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

And Windows XP was, and still is, the best of them all, in my opinion.  Of course, using Windows XP nowadays could be construed as commiting Security suicide, but I guess there were less buggy people hanging around those days.  Cheers!

On 3/11/2021 1:17 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Windows 95, as the name implies, was released in 1995, to be precise and according to a Google search it was August 24, 1995.
Then came Windows 98 and 98SE:
Released in June 1998, Windows 98 built on Windows 95 and brought with it IE 4, Outlook Express, Windows Address Book, Microsoft Chat and NetShow Player, which was replaced by Windows Media Player 6.2 in Windows 98 Second Edition in 1999.
In June of 2000 Windows ME (Millennium Edition) was released which in retrospect was considered to be one of the worst versions of Windows ever released.
Windows XP came along in October of 2001 and finally put a lot of people who had upgraded to Millennium out of their misery.
In 2007 Windows Vista came along, another not so great Windows version and in October 2009 Windows 7 once again did a lot better until finally in 2015 Windows 10 was released.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi Glenn and all.

I first started using JAWS in early 1996. It was why I became a convert from DOS to Windows. Back then it only worked on Windows 3.1. It was either in late 1996 or the following year that a release for Windows 95 came out.

Just sharing what I know.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1, before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best


Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy






















moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Edward Green
 

Hi,

There were definitely more Windows screen readers 20 years ago than now - JAWS, Window-Eyes, Window Bridge, Winvision, Outspoken for Windows, Automatic Screen Access for Windows, Screenpower, Protalk 32 and Hal 95.

Now we have JAWS, NVDA, Narrator and Dolphin Screen Reader, though at least we have free options now.

Cheers,

Ed

On 3 November 2021 05:41:21 "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...> wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily say there were more options back then, it was Microsoft and a little bit Apple and Unix and for a while IBM tried to be a player with their OS/2 operating system.

but just as today for the consumer it was basically Microsoft and Apple and when it comes to screenreaders there are definitely more choices with Jaws and NVDA as well as Narrator which really is becoming quite useable for certain things and of course with Apple there is Voiceover.

And when it comes to portable solutions there is just no comparison, back then there were these super-expensive specialty devices like the Eureka, Braille Note and so on, I remember back in 2000 or 2001 I spend a few hundred Dollars on this little thing which I think was called Parrot or something like that, basically a PDA for the blind with a few functions like address book, it had a phone dialer/dial tone generator, calendar/reminders etc. I remember at one point buying an IBM Thinkpad, yes, the Thinkpad name was IBM before it became Lenovo, that was I think around 1992 or 1993 because I was still in University and it had a 486 processor and it was $6,000 Canadian at the time.

It's a nice walk down memory lane, but I sure enjoy the capabilities of Jaws on my Windows 10 PC nowadays and my iPhone. Some time around the mid 90's I also owned an HP Laserjet 4 printer which came after my Epson Dot Matrix printer and it was capable of a whopping 4 pages a minute and everybody thought this was just so unbelievably fast! Oh, yes, it only set me back I think around $2K back then.

And for everybody who thinks email is so slow and outdated, when I sent an email to my friend in Germany it took typically around 4 hours for him to receive it. I usually sent him a message in the evening when I went to bed which was around 6 or 7 AM there, he then got it a bit later in the morning and write back and I'd get his reply when I woke up. Once again, this was considered magic back then when I told my family about it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Time sure does travel. I didn't know back then there are more options to choose from when it comes to assistive Technologies. I am a new user of Jaws and have been using the screen reader since 2016. Back then in 2016, people could spend $300 and buy a student license if they wanted to go the cheap route. How the payment works is you pay $300 every year and after four years, you own the licence. While you are paying your license During the years, your versions of Jaws  will be updated and after you paid off your license, it is up to you to maintain it. For students who are still in school, if they paid off their licence within the four years of purchase, Freedom Scientific will update their software for them until they graduate high school. The reason why they started a student program with APH back then was to gain more customers in my opinion. Getting students as young as 6 hooked up with Jaws is perhaps the best marketing strategy. Jaws is the only screen reader that their TVI and parents will force them to learn ,and once they graduate, they will only know how to use Jaws instead of other screen readers.  I don't know why they stopped offering this method. 

 

Freedom Scientific Teaming up with Aph to develop a student program had helped me a lot because I got hold of Jaws and learned the basic part within only a week. 

That is my story with Jaws.

Best regards 

Michael H. Munn  

 

 

Error! Filename not specified.

Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia  

www.nfbga.org

 

Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind 

www.nfb.org

  Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu

 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 11:31 PM stewartross via groups.io <stewartross=sky.com@groups.io> wrote:

hi steve thats interesting

i didn't think that they gave that options, is this just for jaws or for other products.

just out of interest,

do u offer this this service?

from stew

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Ed,

 

Don’t Sight And Sound use Divide By as well, so you could pay for JAWS in 12 monthly installments?

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I wouldn't necessarily say there were more options back then, it was Microsoft and a little bit Apple and Unix and for a while IBM tried to be a player with their OS/2 operating system.

but just as today for the consumer it was basically Microsoft and Apple and when it comes to screenreaders there are definitely more choices with Jaws and NVDA as well as Narrator which really is becoming quite useable for certain things and of course with Apple there is Voiceover.

And when it comes to portable solutions there is just no comparison, back then there were these super-expensive specialty devices like the Eureka, Braille Note and so on, I remember back in 2000 or 2001 I spend a few hundred Dollars on this little thing which I think was called Parrot or something like that, basically a PDA for the blind with a few functions like address book, it had a phone dialer/dial tone generator, calendar/reminders etc. I remember at one point buying an IBM Thinkpad, yes, the Thinkpad name was IBM before it became Lenovo, that was I think around 1992 or 1993 because I was still in University and it had a 486 processor and it was $6,000 Canadian at the time.

It's a nice walk down memory lane, but I sure enjoy the capabilities of Jaws on my Windows 10 PC nowadays and my iPhone. Some time around the mid 90's I also owned an HP Laserjet 4 printer which came after my Epson Dot Matrix printer and it was capable of a whopping 4 pages a minute and everybody thought this was just so unbelievably fast! Oh, yes, it only set me back I think around $2K back then.

And for everybody who thinks email is so slow and outdated, when I sent an email to my friend in Germany it took typically around 4 hours for him to receive it. I usually sent him a message in the evening when I went to bed which was around 6 or 7 AM there, he then got it a bit later in the morning and write back and I'd get his reply when I woke up. Once again, this was considered magic back then when I told my family about it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Time sure does travel. I didn't know back then there are more options to choose from when it comes to assistive Technologies. I am a new user of Jaws and have been using the screen reader since 2016. Back then in 2016, people could spend $300 and buy a student license if they wanted to go the cheap route. How the payment works is you pay $300 every year and after four years, you own the licence. While you are paying your license During the years, your versions of Jaws  will be updated and after you paid off your license, it is up to you to maintain it. For students who are still in school, if they paid off their licence within the four years of purchase, Freedom Scientific will update their software for them until they graduate high school. The reason why they started a student program with APH back then was to gain more customers in my opinion. Getting students as young as 6 hooked up with Jaws is perhaps the best marketing strategy. Jaws is the only screen reader that their TVI and parents will force them to learn ,and once they graduate, they will only know how to use Jaws instead of other screen readers.  I don't know why they stopped offering this method. 

 

Freedom Scientific Teaming up with Aph to develop a student program had helped me a lot because I got hold of Jaws and learned the basic part within only a week. 

That is my story with Jaws.

Best regards 

Michael H. Munn  

 

 

Error! Filename not specified.

Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia  

www.nfbga.org

 

Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind 

www.nfb.org

  Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu

 

 

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 11:31 PM stewartross via groups.io <stewartross=sky.com@groups.io> wrote:

hi steve thats interesting

i didn't think that they gave that options, is this just for jaws or for other products.

just out of interest,

do u offer this this service?

from stew

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Ed,

 

Don’t Sight And Sound use Divide By as well, so you could pay for JAWS in 12 monthly installments?

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Glenn / Lenny
 

They used the same drivers, but they sounded different.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Was Accent the Artic synthesizer?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: November 2, 2021 12:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Oh yes, there were several versions of the VERT software and hardware.  I have a few if anyone would like one.  Also, in that era, was the ARTIC screen reader.  Also have a few of those.

Howard

On 11/2/2021 12:20 PM, Bill White wrote:

I used an external box that was a screen reader called PC VERT with MS DOS in 1985.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Was Accent the Artic synthesizer?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: November 2, 2021 12:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Oh yes, there were several versions of the VERT software and hardware.  I have a few if anyone would like one.  Also, in that era, was the ARTIC screen reader.  Also have a few of those.

Howard

On 11/2/2021 12:20 PM, Bill White wrote:

I used an external box that was a screen reader called PC VERT with MS DOS in 1985.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Glenn / Lenny
 

Jaws for DOS went up to 3.something.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

But that must have already been a different version of Jaws than the Jaws for DOS I had in 1989 which I think was also version 1.something.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: November 2, 2021 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi,

Yes, JAWS 1.0 supported Windows 3.1 when it was released in Jan 95.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 18:31:51 "Glenn / Lenny" <glenn@...> wrote:

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1,
before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

Gerald

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best

Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy







 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

No need to use a Vocalizer synthesizer since Eloquence is available and a great option.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: November 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

I still grieve over the loss of the  Dec-Talk hardware synthesizer.  Which I still believe to be the finest speech synthesizer.  I think it even beats these modern human sounding synthesizers extent.   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Dave Durber
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Gerald:

 

I used both the DECTALK PC and the Vert+ synthesizers, which in my opinion, wer the 2 clearest of all the synthesizers at the time.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

Sorry, I stand corrected. How was the speech quality back in those days?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 1:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I am sorry to disappoint, but saying there was no Jaws in 1989 would be like saying there was no Microsoft before Windows.

When I immigrated to Canada from Germany in August of 1989 and shortly after started University I bought my first PC with the Microsoft DOS operating system from Kirk Reiser and Fred Stam from Intelligent Access Microware (IAM) based in London, Ontario where I went to the University of Western Ontario and where Kirk also worked for the University in the so-called Computer Braille Facility. That 386 IBM clone came with Jaws version 1.1, it had a 3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drive and for the time a huge 70 Mb hard drive; many of my fellow students still had 286 PC's with 20 Mb or 40 Mb hard drives and only 5.25 inch floppy drives..

I also had an HP Scanjet scanner and the Arkenstone OCR software, a Versapoint braille printer and a very small and portable notetaker with a braille keyboard and its own screenreader called a "Eureka", it had a contact manager/address book, a word processor, a calendar, a calculator and even a music composer and it also had a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive for transferring stuff to the computer and even a built-in modem because I think it may have had an email program as well.

A friend of mine in Germany was studying computer science at a University in Germany and we started using email in late 1989 as well, the program of choice back then was Eudora and Word Perfect was the most widely used word processor, Quattro was the spreadsheet of choice.

 

Here is a bit of information about Jaws at the time:

 

JAWS for Windows was originally called JAWS (Job Access With Speech). JAWS Version 1.0 was released in 1989 by Ted Henter, a former motorcycle racer who

lost his sight in a 1978 car accident.

 

In 1985, Henter along with Bill Joyce, founded the Henter-Joyce Corporation in St. Petersburg, Florida. Joyce sold his interest in the company back to

Ted Henter sometime in 1990.

 

JAWS was created for computer users who used the DOS (Disk Operated System). A unique feature of the JAWS program, was its use of cascading menus in the

style of the popular Lotus 1-2-3 application.

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A significant distinction of JAWS to that of other screen readers of that era, was its use of macros. Macros allowed users to customise the user interface

and so work better with numerous computer applications.

 

Ted Henter and Rex Skipper wrote the original JAWS code in the mid-1980s, releasing version 2.0 in 1990. When Skipper left the company, Charles Oppermann

was hired to maintain and improve the JAWS program.

 

Oppermann and Henter continually added minor and major features and frequently released new versions of JAWS. Freedom Scientific now offer JAWS for MS-DOS

as a freeware download from their web site.

 

In the early 1990s, Microsoft Windows became more popular and Oppermann started to design a new version of JAWS. A principle design goal was to maintain

the natural user interface of Windows and to continue to provide a strong macro facility. It was around this time that JAWS was renamed JAWS for Windows

(JFW) and Beta versions of JAWS for Windows went on show and were demonstrated at many conferences throughout 1993 and 1994.

 

During this time developer Glen Gordon started working on the JAWS for Windows code, ultimately taking over its development when Oppermann was hired by

Microsoft in November of 1994 and in January 1995, JAWS for Windows 1.0 was released.

 

In April 2000, Henter-Joyce, Blazie Engineering, and Arkenstone, Inc. all merged together to form Freedom Scientific.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 

 


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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

But that must have already been a different version of Jaws than the Jaws for DOS I had in 1989 which I think was also version 1.something.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: November 2, 2021 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi,

Yes, JAWS 1.0 supported Windows 3.1 when it was released in Jan 95.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 18:31:51 "Glenn / Lenny" <glenn@...> wrote:

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1,
before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

Gerald

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best

Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy







 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Sorry, forgot Windows 8 in 2012 and 8.1 in 2013, the two versions of Windows I had the least exposure to because I never felt the need to upgrade from Windows 7 except for one of my laptops at the time just out of curiosity.
With respect to Jaws I went through every single version and still have my 4-digit serial number of 1056.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi Glenn and all.

I first started using JAWS in early 1996. It was why I became a convert from DOS to Windows. Back then it only worked on Windows 3.1. It was either in late 1996 or the following year that a release for Windows 95 came out.

Just sharing what I know.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1, before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best


Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Windows 95, as the name implies, was released in 1995, to be precise and according to a Google search it was August 24, 1995.
Then came Windows 98 and 98SE:
Released in June 1998, Windows 98 built on Windows 95 and brought with it IE 4, Outlook Express, Windows Address Book, Microsoft Chat and NetShow Player, which was replaced by Windows Media Player 6.2 in Windows 98 Second Edition in 1999.
In June of 2000 Windows ME (Millennium Edition) was released which in retrospect was considered to be one of the worst versions of Windows ever released.
Windows XP came along in October of 2001 and finally put a lot of people who had upgraded to Millennium out of their misery.
In 2007 Windows Vista came along, another not so great Windows version and in October 2009 Windows 7 once again did a lot better until finally in 2015 Windows 10 was released.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi Glenn and all.

I first started using JAWS in early 1996. It was why I became a convert from DOS to Windows. Back then it only worked on Windows 3.1. It was either in late 1996 or the following year that a release for Windows 95 came out.

Just sharing what I know.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1, before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best


Steve

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Yes, Jaws did work with Windows 3.1/3.11, but I don't think it was called Jaws for Windows until 95 came out, but it's very long ago so I could be wrong.
Windows 3.1/3.11 really were more like shells sitting on top of DOS if I remember correctly.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

For some reason I thought I recalled using Jaws for windows in windows 3.1, before 95.
Maybe I was just booting windows and using Jaws for DOS in the CLI.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


and JAWS for Windows 95 came out in 95.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 1:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
There was Jaws for DOS.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Levy via groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


You have been using JAWS since 1989?Ã, That would be impossible
because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.Ã, In fact, I don't think
any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been
using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I
just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe
some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of
course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend
time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable
with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

Ã,

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Hi Billy,

Ã,

I donââ,¬â"¢t think it would.

Ã,

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

Ã,

All the best


Steve

Ã,

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Billy Inglis
*Sent:* 02 November 2021 15:48
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning
curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

*From:*Edward Green

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Ã,

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isnââ,¬â"¢t available tu us in the
UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and
other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I canââ,¬â"¢t
remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasnââ,¬â"¢t over Ã,£150 I donââ,¬â"¢t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though
NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen
Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive.
So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the
software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

If you ever listen to eSpeak which NVDA uses by default you get an idea although I would say Accent was maybe slightly better, I think eSpeak is truly horrible and this comes from somebody who doesn't use human sounding voices with Jaws. Eloquence is truly an outstanding synthesizer when it comes to a the best between clear pronunciation and speed.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

Sorry, I stand corrected. How was the speech quality back in those days?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 1:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I am sorry to disappoint, but saying there was no Jaws in 1989 would be like saying there was no Microsoft before Windows.

When I immigrated to Canada from Germany in August of 1989 and shortly after started University I bought my first PC with the Microsoft DOS operating system from Kirk Reiser and Fred Stam from Intelligent Access Microware (IAM) based in London, Ontario where I went to the University of Western Ontario and where Kirk also worked for the University in the so-called Computer Braille Facility. That 386 IBM clone came with Jaws version 1.1, it had a 3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drive and for the time a huge 70 Mb hard drive; many of my fellow students still had 286 PC's with 20 Mb or 40 Mb hard drives and only 5.25 inch floppy drives..

I also had an HP Scanjet scanner and the Arkenstone OCR software, a Versapoint braille printer and a very small and portable notetaker with a braille keyboard and its own screenreader called a "Eureka", it had a contact manager/address book, a word processor, a calendar, a calculator and even a music composer and it also had a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive for transferring stuff to the computer and even a built-in modem because I think it may have had an email program as well.

A friend of mine in Germany was studying computer science at a University in Germany and we started using email in late 1989 as well, the program of choice back then was Eudora and Word Perfect was the most widely used word processor, Quattro was the spreadsheet of choice.

 

Here is a bit of information about Jaws at the time:

 

JAWS for Windows was originally called JAWS (Job Access With Speech). JAWS Version 1.0 was released in 1989 by Ted Henter, a former motorcycle racer who

lost his sight in a 1978 car accident.

 

In 1985, Henter along with Bill Joyce, founded the Henter-Joyce Corporation in St. Petersburg, Florida. Joyce sold his interest in the company back to

Ted Henter sometime in 1990.

 

JAWS was created for computer users who used the DOS (Disk Operated System). A unique feature of the JAWS program, was its use of cascading menus in the

style of the popular Lotus 1-2-3 application.

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A significant distinction of JAWS to that of other screen readers of that era, was its use of macros. Macros allowed users to customise the user interface

and so work better with numerous computer applications.

 

Ted Henter and Rex Skipper wrote the original JAWS code in the mid-1980s, releasing version 2.0 in 1990. When Skipper left the company, Charles Oppermann

was hired to maintain and improve the JAWS program.

 

Oppermann and Henter continually added minor and major features and frequently released new versions of JAWS. Freedom Scientific now offer JAWS for MS-DOS

as a freeware download from their web site.

 

In the early 1990s, Microsoft Windows became more popular and Oppermann started to design a new version of JAWS. A principle design goal was to maintain

the natural user interface of Windows and to continue to provide a strong macro facility. It was around this time that JAWS was renamed JAWS for Windows

(JFW) and Beta versions of JAWS for Windows went on show and were demonstrated at many conferences throughout 1993 and 1994.

 

During this time developer Glen Gordon started working on the JAWS for Windows code, ultimately taking over its development when Oppermann was hired by

Microsoft in November of 1994 and in January 1995, JAWS for Windows 1.0 was released.

 

In April 2000, Henter-Joyce, Blazie Engineering, and Arkenstone, Inc. all merged together to form Freedom Scientific.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

As somebody else pointed out before, since you probably did an in-place upgrade it may just be the time to make sure you have a backup of your data and wipe the system clean and then do a clean install of Windows 11 from a USB installation drive, then reinstall Jaws and Office via your Microsoft 365 subscription and see if this clears up the issues.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue


On 2/11/21 18:29, Vaughan Dodd wrote:
Not experiencing this. In fact, Windows 11 with v2022 of Jaws and all
Office apps up-to-date - most stable and responsive I have ever had.
It's the same for me - no additional issues with JAWS 2022.

Microsoft Outlook becomes unresponsive and needs to be restarted sometimes when I'm accessing IMAP folders, but that has been an issue for years. Under Windows 11 and JAWS 2022, it does seem to be more responsive in general (save for that long-standing bug).


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Michael Munn
 

Time sure does travel. I didn't know back then there are more options to choose from when it comes to assistive Technologies. I am a new user of Jaws and have been using the screen reader since 2016. Back then in 2016, people could spend $300 and buy a student license if they wanted to go the cheap route. How the payment works is you pay $300 every year and after four years, you own the licence. While you are paying your license During the years, your versions of Jaws  will be updated and after you paid off your license, it is up to you to maintain it. For students who are still in school, if they paid off their licence within the four years of purchase, Freedom Scientific will update their software for them until they graduate high school. The reason why they started a student program with APH back then was to gain more customers in my opinion. Getting students as young as 6 hooked up with Jaws is perhaps the best marketing strategy. Jaws is the only screen reader that their TVI and parents will force them to learn ,and once they graduate, they will only know how to use Jaws instead of other screen readers.  I don't know why they stopped offering this method. 

Freedom Scientific Teaming up with Aph to develop a student program had helped me a lot because I got hold of Jaws and learned the basic part within only a week. 

That is my story with Jaws.

Best regards 

Michael H. Munn  



JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia  

www.nfbga.org


Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind 

www.nfb.org

  Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 11:31 PM stewartross via groups.io <stewartross=sky.com@groups.io> wrote:
hi steve thats interesting
i didn't think that they gave that options, is this just for jaws or for other products.
just out of interest,
do u offer this this service?
from stew
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi Ed,

 

Don’t Sight And Sound use Divide By as well, so you could pay for JAWS in 12 monthly installments?

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

stewartross <stewartross@...>
 


hi steve thats interesting
i didn't think that they gave that options, is this just for jaws or for other products.
just out of interest,
do u offer this this service?
from stew
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Hi Ed,

 

Don’t Sight And Sound use Divide By as well, so you could pay for JAWS in 12 monthly installments?

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

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