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Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
If you ever listen to eSpeak which NVDA uses by default you get an idea although I would say Accent was maybe slightly better, I think eSpeak is truly horrible and this comes from somebody who doesn't use human sounding voices with Jaws.
Eloquence is truly an outstanding synthesizer when it comes to a the best between clear pronunciation and speed.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Sorry, I stand corrected. How was the speech quality back in those days?
Gerald
On 11/2/2021 1:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I am sorry to disappoint, but saying there was no Jaws in 1989 would be like saying there was no Microsoft before Windows.
When I immigrated to Canada from Germany in August of 1989 and shortly after started University I bought my first PC with the Microsoft DOS operating system from Kirk Reiser and
Fred Stam from Intelligent Access Microware (IAM) based in London, Ontario where I went to the University of Western Ontario and where Kirk also worked for the University in the so-called Computer Braille Facility. That 386 IBM clone came with Jaws version
1.1, it had a 3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drive and for the time a huge 70 Mb hard drive; many of my fellow students still had 286 PC's with 20 Mb or 40 Mb hard drives and only 5.25 inch floppy drives..
I also had an HP Scanjet scanner and the Arkenstone OCR software, a Versapoint braille printer and a very small and portable notetaker with a braille keyboard and its own screenreader
called a "Eureka", it had a contact manager/address book, a word processor, a calendar, a calculator and even a music composer and it also had a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive for transferring stuff to the computer and even a built-in modem because I think it
may have had an email program as well.
A friend of mine in Germany was studying computer science at a University in Germany and we started using email in late 1989 as well, the program of choice back then was Eudora
and Word Perfect was the most widely used word processor, Quattro was the spreadsheet of choice.
Here is a bit of information about Jaws at the time:
JAWS for Windows was originally called JAWS (Job Access With Speech). JAWS Version 1.0 was released in 1989 by Ted Henter, a former motorcycle racer who
lost his sight in a 1978 car accident.
In 1985, Henter along with Bill Joyce, founded the Henter-Joyce Corporation in St. Petersburg, Florida. Joyce sold his interest in the company back to
Ted Henter sometime in 1990.
JAWS was created for computer users who used the DOS (Disk Operated System). A unique feature of the JAWS program, was its use of cascading menus in the
style of the popular Lotus 1-2-3 application.
Unlabeled 1
A significant distinction of JAWS to that of other screen readers of that era, was its use of macros. Macros allowed users to customise the user interface
and so work better with numerous computer applications.
Ted Henter and Rex Skipper wrote the original JAWS code in the mid-1980s, releasing version 2.0 in 1990. When Skipper left the company, Charles Oppermann
was hired to maintain and improve the JAWS program.
Oppermann and Henter continually added minor and major features and frequently released new versions of JAWS. Freedom Scientific now offer JAWS for MS-DOS
as a freeware download from their web site.
In the early 1990s, Microsoft Windows became more popular and Oppermann started to design a new version of JAWS. A principle design goal was to maintain
the natural user interface of Windows and to continue to provide a strong macro facility. It was around this time that JAWS was renamed JAWS for Windows
(JFW) and Beta versions of JAWS for Windows went on show and were demonstrated at many conferences throughout 1993 and 1994.
During this time developer Glen Gordon started working on the JAWS for Windows code, ultimately taking over its development when Oppermann was hired by
Microsoft in November of 1994 and in January 1995, JAWS for Windows 1.0 was released.
In April 2000, Henter-Joyce, Blazie Engineering, and Arkenstone, Inc. all merged together to form Freedom Scientific.
You have been using JAWS since 1989? That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995. In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.
Gerald
On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences.
Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.
Hi Billy,
I don’t think it would.
Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.
All the best
Steve
hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,
but thanks you guys, Billy
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Fi Billy,
The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.
However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.
Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways
of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
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Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
As somebody else pointed out before, since you probably did an in-place upgrade it may just be the time to make sure you have a backup of your data and wipe the system clean and then do a clean install of Windows 11 from a USB installation drive, then reinstall Jaws and Office via your Microsoft 365 subscription and see if this clears up the issues.
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io Sent: November 2, 2021 4:35 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue On 2/11/21 18:29, Vaughan Dodd wrote: Not experiencing this. In fact, Windows 11 with v2022 of Jaws and all
Office apps up-to-date - most stable and responsive I have ever had. It's the same for me - no additional issues with JAWS 2022. Microsoft Outlook becomes unresponsive and needs to be restarted sometimes when I'm accessing IMAP folders, but that has been an issue for years. Under Windows 11 and JAWS 2022, it does seem to be more responsive in general (save for that long-standing bug).
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Time sure does travel. I didn't know back then there are more options to choose from when it comes to assistive Technologies. I am a new user of Jaws and have been using the screen reader since 2016. Back then in 2016, people could spend $300 and buy a student license if they wanted to go the cheap route. How the payment works is you pay $300 every year and after four years, you own the licence. While you are paying your license During the years, your versions of Jaws will be updated and after you paid off your license, it is up to you to maintain it. For students who are still in school, if they paid off their licence within the four years of purchase, Freedom Scientific will update their software for them until they graduate high school. The reason why they started a student program with APH back then was to gain more customers in my opinion. Getting students as young as 6 hooked up with Jaws is perhaps the best marketing strategy. Jaws is the only screen reader that their TVI and parents will force them to learn ,and once they graduate, they will only know how to use Jaws instead of other screen readers. I don't know why they stopped offering this method. Freedom Scientific Teaming up with Aph to develop a student program had helped me a lot because I got hold of Jaws and learned the basic part within only a week. That is my story with Jaws. Best regards Michael H. Munn
![JAWS Certified, 2019]()
Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia www.nfbga.org
Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind www.nfb.org Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
www.hadley.edu
hi steve thats interesting
i didn't think that they gave that options, is this
just for jaws or for other products.
just out of interest,
do u offer this this service?
from stew
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 2:27
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
Hi
Ed,
Don’t Sight And
Sound use Divide By as well, so you could pay for JAWS in 12 monthly
installments?
All the
best
Steve
Fi Billy,
The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us
in the UK as yet.
However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of
JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember
what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I
don’t think.
Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best
bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2
November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...>
wrote:
hi guys, I
have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific
these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of
purchasing the software for us blindys?,
Billy
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stewartross <stewartross@...>
hi steve thats interesting
i didn't think that they gave that options, is this
just for jaws or for other products.
just out of interest,
do u offer this this service?
from stew
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 2:27
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
Hi
Ed,
Don’t Sight And
Sound use Divide By as well, so you could pay for JAWS in 12 monthly
installments?
All the
best
Steve
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward
Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
Fi Billy,
The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us
in the UK as yet.
However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of
JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember
what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I
don’t think.
Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best
bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader
which may well meet your needs.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2
November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...>
wrote:
hi guys, I
have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific
these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of
purchasing the software for us blindys?,
Billy
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stewartross <stewartross@...>
hi steve many thanks for this one ill keep it in me software folder.
stew
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You don?t need the snapshot any more, just go to the TWBlue website and
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monica S
Sent: 02 November 2021 00:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working
Hi, when I used this link to download the file, it downloaded a 54 bit
version as a zip folder. Do I need to extract these files and within that folder I?ll find the TW Blue.exe file? Should I then press Enter on that?
I did delete the %appdata% and deleted TW Blue from that folder before I
downloaded.
Thanks,
Monica
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of inamuddin
khan
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 11:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working
Try this one:
https://twblue.es/pubs/twblue_setup.exe
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Windows
From: stewartross via groups.io <mailto:stewartross@...>
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working
i am on jaws 2019 windows 7, and mines stopped to.
stew
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From: <mailto:randymeyer@...> Randy Meyer
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:31 PM
Subject: TW Blue Stopped Working
TW Blue suddenly stopped working on my computer this weekend. I am
running JAWS 2022 and latest version of windows 10. Is anyone else experiencing problems with TW Blue?
Does anyone have suggestions for an app for getting and responding to
tweets on a windows 10 computer?
Randy Meyer
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On 2/11/21 18:29, Vaughan Dodd wrote: Not experiencing this. In fact, Windows 11 with v2022 of Jaws and all Office
apps up-to-date - most stable and responsive I have ever had. It's the same for me - no additional issues with JAWS 2022. Microsoft Outlook becomes unresponsive and needs to be restarted sometimes when I'm accessing IMAP folders, but that has been an issue for years. Under Windows 11 and JAWS 2022, it does seem to be more responsive in general (save for that long-standing bug).
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As a retired DEC / Compaq / HP employee, thank you for generating a lot of fond memories of the good old DEC days! Ken
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 3:13 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?. I still grieve over the loss of the Dec-Talk hardware synthesizer. Which I still believe to be the finest speech synthesizer. I think it even beats these modern human sounding synthesizers extent. Sent from Mail for Windows I used both the DECTALK PC and the Vert+ synthesizers, which in my opinion, wer the 2 clearest of all the synthesizers at the time. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?. Sorry, I stand corrected. How was the speech quality back in those days? Gerald On 11/2/2021 1:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I am sorry to disappoint, but saying there was no Jaws in 1989 would be like saying there was no Microsoft before Windows. When I immigrated to Canada from Germany in August of 1989 and shortly after started University I bought my first PC with the Microsoft DOS operating system from Kirk Reiser and Fred Stam from Intelligent Access Microware (IAM) based in London, Ontario where I went to the University of Western Ontario and where Kirk also worked for the University in the so-called Computer Braille Facility. That 386 IBM clone came with Jaws version 1.1, it had a 3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drive and for the time a huge 70 Mb hard drive; many of my fellow students still had 286 PC's with 20 Mb or 40 Mb hard drives and only 5.25 inch floppy drives.. I also had an HP Scanjet scanner and the Arkenstone OCR software, a Versapoint braille printer and a very small and portable notetaker with a braille keyboard and its own screenreader called a "Eureka", it had a contact manager/address book, a word processor, a calendar, a calculator and even a music composer and it also had a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive for transferring stuff to the computer and even a built-in modem because I think it may have had an email program as well. A friend of mine in Germany was studying computer science at a University in Germany and we started using email in late 1989 as well, the program of choice back then was Eudora and Word Perfect was the most widely used word processor, Quattro was the spreadsheet of choice. Here is a bit of information about Jaws at the time: JAWS for Windows was originally called JAWS (Job Access With Speech). JAWS Version 1.0 was released in 1989 by Ted Henter, a former motorcycle racer who lost his sight in a 1978 car accident. In 1985, Henter along with Bill Joyce, founded the Henter-Joyce Corporation in St. Petersburg, Florida. Joyce sold his interest in the company back to Ted Henter sometime in 1990. JAWS was created for computer users who used the DOS (Disk Operated System). A unique feature of the JAWS program, was its use of cascading menus in the style of the popular Lotus 1-2-3 application. Unlabeled 1 A significant distinction of JAWS to that of other screen readers of that era, was its use of macros. Macros allowed users to customise the user interface and so work better with numerous computer applications. Ted Henter and Rex Skipper wrote the original JAWS code in the mid-1980s, releasing version 2.0 in 1990. When Skipper left the company, Charles Oppermann was hired to maintain and improve the JAWS program. Oppermann and Henter continually added minor and major features and frequently released new versions of JAWS. Freedom Scientific now offer JAWS for MS-DOS as a freeware download from their web site. In the early 1990s, Microsoft Windows became more popular and Oppermann started to design a new version of JAWS. A principle design goal was to maintain the natural user interface of Windows and to continue to provide a strong macro facility. It was around this time that JAWS was renamed JAWS for Windows (JFW) and Beta versions of JAWS for Windows went on show and were demonstrated at many conferences throughout 1993 and 1994. During this time developer Glen Gordon started working on the JAWS for Windows code, ultimately taking over its development when Oppermann was hired by Microsoft in November of 1994 and in January 1995, JAWS for Windows 1.0 was released. In April 2000, Henter-Joyce, Blazie Engineering, and Arkenstone, Inc. all merged together to form Freedom Scientific. You have been using JAWS since 1989? That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995. In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over. Gerald On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date. Hi Billy, I don’t think it would. Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS. All the best
Steve
hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have, but thanks you guys, Billy Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?. Fi Billy, The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet. However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think. Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs. Cheers, Ed On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote: hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:50
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
You mean like an "add-in"?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 5:34
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
I have seen a JAWS to NVDA list of keyboard
shortcuts on the web, not sure if it was put out by NVDA or someone
else.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 5:57
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
If NVDA maintainers really cared about
helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who
want it.
This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used
to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and
the WP layout.
I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout
as well.
But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws,
that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their
product is better, to which I say it is not.
It does well, and is a good backup, probably
better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do
a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021
4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use
it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a great
screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to
NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021
4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
Even so , its still going to be expensive however
much the discount is
Hi Chris,
Had you read my original message, you would have
seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular
pricing.
In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new
licences.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...>
wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or
maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners
only
No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new
licences not just to SMAs.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...> wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws
home before you can purchase an sma or upgrade
licence
Fi Billy,
The annual subscription mentioned isn’t
available tu us in the UK as yet.
However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce
the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered
by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this
year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.
Hanging on until July/August is likely to be
your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a
capable screen reader which may well meet your
needs.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:
hi guys, I have been
Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom
Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if
there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?,
Billy
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You mean like an "add-in"?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 5:34
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
I have seen a JAWS to NVDA list of keyboard
shortcuts on the web, not sure if it was put out by NVDA or someone
else.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 5:57
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping
the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want
it.
This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to
have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP
layout.
I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as
well.
But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws,
that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their
product is better, to which I say it is not.
It does well, and is a good backup, probably
better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a
lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use
it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a great
screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to
NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021
4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
Even so , its still going to be expensive however
much the discount is
Hi Chris,
Had you read my original message, you would have
seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular
pricing.
In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new
licences.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...>
wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or
maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners
only
No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new
licences not just to SMAs.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...> wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home
before you can purchase an sma or upgrade
licence
Fi Billy,
The annual subscription mentioned isn’t
available tu us in the UK as yet.
However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce
the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered
by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this
year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.
Hanging on until July/August is likely to be
your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a
capable screen reader which may well meet your
needs.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:
hi guys, I have been
Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific
these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other
ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
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I have seen a JAWS to NVDA list of keyboard
shortcuts on the web, not sure if it was put out by NVDA or someone
else.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 5:57
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping
the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want
it.
This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to
have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP
layout.
I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as
well.
But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws,
that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their
product is better, to which I say it is not.
It does well, and is a good backup, probably
better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a
lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it
in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a great screen
reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
Even so , its still going to be expensive however much
the discount is
Hi Chris,
Had you read my original message, you would have seen
that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular
pricing.
In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new
licences.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...> wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or
maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners
only
No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new
licences not just to SMAs.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...> wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home
before you can purchase an sma or upgrade
licence
Fi Billy,
The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available
tu us in the UK as yet.
However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the
price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS.
I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but
it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.
Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your
best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable
screen reader which may well meet your needs.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis"
<billyinglis49@...> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed
purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days
is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of
purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
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Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue
Vaughan Dodd <vdodd001@...>
Hello Maddison.
Not experiencing this. In fact, Windows 11 with v2022 of Jaws and all Office
apps up-to-date - most stable and responsive I have ever had.
There are some Outlook focusing issues, but it is in general the most
responsive Outlook I have used.
Vaughan.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 2021 11:06 am
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue
Hi all,
I upgraded to Windows 11 yesterday and ever since I've noticed Outlook being
really slow, I've had to close it out multiple times and I've even had to
shut down my laptop a couple of times to get it to do anything. I have
trouble arrowing through messages and when I delete one Jaws just seems to
freeze up. I think this is a Jaws issue, when I use Narrator things seem to
work fine, but I'd really rather not have to switch to it permently. Just
wondering if anyone else has experienced this and if there's anything that
can be done about this?
Using latest versions of Jaws (2022), Office 365 and Windows 11. Really hope
someone can help me!! Thanks Madison
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I try not to get caught up in the whole cost thing. I find too many people, are willing to spend $10 a day or $20 a week at Starbucks, but don't want to spend that money on jaws.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:57:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.
This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP layout.
I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as well.
But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is better, to which I say it is not.
It does well, and is a good backup, probably better than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in 40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a great screen reader and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is
Hi Chris,
Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.
In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley@...> wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only
No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley@...> wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase an sma or upgrade licence
Fi Billy,
The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.
However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence
was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.
Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing
the software for us blindys?, Billy
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Re: Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue
crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
Yes. It does sound like a Jaws bug.
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On Nov 2, 2021, at 18:06, Madison Martin <maddymartin@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I upgraded to Windows 11 yesterday and ever since I've noticed Outlook being
really slow, I've had to close it out multiple times and I've even had to shut
down my laptop a couple of times to get it to do anything. I have trouble
arrowing through messages and when I delete one Jaws just seems to freeze up. I
think this is a Jaws issue, when I use Narrator things seem to work fine, but
I'd really rather not have to switch to it permently. Just wondering if anyone
else has experienced this and if there's anything that can be done about this?
Using latest versions of Jaws (2022), Office 365 and Windows 11. Really hope
someone
can help me!! Thanks Madison
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moderated
Windows 11 and Office 365 with Jaws issue
Hi all,
I upgraded to Windows 11 yesterday and ever since I've noticed Outlook being
really slow, I've had to close it out multiple times and I've even had to shut
down my laptop a couple of times to get it to do anything. I have trouble
arrowing through messages and when I delete one Jaws just seems to freeze up. I
think this is a Jaws issue, when I use Narrator things seem to work fine, but
I'd really rather not have to switch to it permently. Just wondering if anyone
else has experienced this and if there's anything that can be done about this?
Using latest versions of Jaws (2022), Office 365 and Windows 11. Really hope
someone
can help me!! Thanks Madison
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If NVDA maintainers really cared about helping the
Blind, then they would include a Jaws layout for those who want it.
This is not unheard of, Microsoft Word used to have
a WordPerfect mode, where you could use WP keyboard commands and the WP
layout.
I think WindowEyes also had a Jaws KB layout as
well.
But the maintainers of NVDA are so anti-Jaws, that
they have to do anything they can to try to prove that their product is
better, to which I say it is not.
It does well, and is a good backup, probably better
than Narrator, but it does not come close to JFW, and they could do a lot better
to make it easier to recruit Jaws users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 4:49
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in
40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a great screen reader
and there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
Even so , its still going to be expensive however much
the discount is
Hi Chris,
Had you read my original message, you would have seen
that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular
pricing.
In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new
licences.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2
November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...> wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance
agreements are available to existing jaws owners
only
No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences
not just to SMAs.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...> wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home
before you can purchase an sma or upgrade
licence
Fi Billy,
The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available
tu us in the UK as yet.
However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the
price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I
can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.
Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your
best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen
reader which may well meet your needs.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...>
wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed
purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days
is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of
purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
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If you can't afford JAWS, you can still use it in
40 min mode. Or get NVDA, it is Free and is a great screen reader and
there are tutorials to help you migrate from JAWS to NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 4:54
PM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader
cost?.
Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the
discount is
Hi Chris,
Had you read my original message, you would have seen
that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular
pricing.
In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new
licences.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2
November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...> wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance
agreements are available to existing jaws owners only
No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences
not just to SMAs.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2
November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io"
<chrismedley@...> wrote:
Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home
before you can purchase an sma or upgrade
licence
Fi Billy,
The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu
us in the UK as yet.
However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the
price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I
can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it
wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.
Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your
best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen
reader which may well meet your needs.
Cheers,
Ed
On
2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...>
wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed
purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is
way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing
the software for us blindys?, Billy
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Even so , its still going to be expensive however much the discount is
From: Edward GreenSent: 02 November 2021 20:20 To: main@jfw.groups.ioSubject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?. Hi Chris, Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing. In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences. Cheers, Ed On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley@...> wrote: according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs. Cheers, Ed On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley@...> wrote: Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase an sma or upgrade licence Fi Billy, The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet. However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think. Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs. Cheers, Ed On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote: hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
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Hi Chris,
Had you read my original message, you would have seen that I was talking about their summer sale and not their regular pricing.
In that sale, they discount both SMAs and new licences.
Cheers,
Ed
On 2 November 2021 20:15:52 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley@...> wrote:
according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs. Cheers, Ed On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley@...> wrote: Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase an sma or upgrade licence Fi Billy, The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet. However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think. Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs. Cheers, Ed On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote: hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
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according to sight and sound upgrades or maintenance agreements are available to existing jaws owners only
From: Edward GreenSent: 02 November 2021 18:09 To: main@jfw.groups.ioSubject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?. No Chris, the £150 sale price extends to new licences not just to SMAs. Cheers, Ed On 2 November 2021 15:44:34 "Chris via groups.io" <chrismedley@...> wrote: Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase an sma or upgrade licence Fi Billy, The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet. However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think. Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs. Cheers, Ed On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote: hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy
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Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound
Are you getting all other Windows system sounds and notification sounds?
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On 11/2/2021 9:38 AM, Tom Behler wrote: No apology needed.
Sometimes, I feel that this stuff is way more difficult than it should be.
I'll keep working at the problem here, and appreciate everyone's help.
Tom Behler
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound
Hi Tom,
Looks like you can't any more. I thought there was a sound associated with it in your sound theme, but I can't find it.
Sorry for misleading you.
All the best
Steve
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 01 November 2021 23:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound
So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?
This is all new to me.
Tom Behler
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound
I've never heard of that one.
Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.
The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound
Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound
Dave and all:
I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.
However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.
I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.
I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.
Is there anything else I should check?
Tom Behler
How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10
1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.
2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.
3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.
4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.
5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change
6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.
7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.
8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.
9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.
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