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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

And, by the way, even back then Jaws for DOS used the numeric keypad for navigation, Insert + Up arrow was the command for Say Line just as it is now and the Jaws and PC cursors were both there.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

Michael Munn
 

Thank you for verifying this problem also exists on your Computer. At first I thought this only occured on my device because I'm running Windows11 but now I know I am not the only one having this problem. 
Best regards 
Michael H. Munn 
P.S, I installed the new TwBlue. 
 




JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia  

www.nfbga.org


Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind 

www.nfb.org

  Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 11:26 AM Madison Martin <maddymartin@...> wrote:

Okay, which file do I install, there’s one that says setup.exe and then there’s one that says setup.exe.part? I really don’t want to install the wrong one, I have both of them in my downloads folder.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: October 31, 2021 11:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

Try this one:

https://twblue.es/pubs/twblue_setup.exe

               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: stewartross via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

i am on jaws 2019 windows 7, and mines stopped to.

stew

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:31 PM

Subject: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

TW Blue suddenly stopped working on my computer this weekend.  I am running JAWS 2022 and latest version of windows 10.  Is anyone else experiencing problems with TW Blue?

 

Does anyone have suggestions for an app for getting and responding to tweets on a windows 10 computer?

 

Randy Meyer

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I am sorry to disappoint, but saying there was no Jaws in 1989 would be like saying there was no Microsoft before Windows.

When I immigrated to Canada from Germany in August of 1989 and shortly after started University I bought my first PC with the Microsoft DOS operating system from Kirk Reiser and Fred Stam from Intelligent Access Microware (IAM) based in London, Ontario where I went to the University of Western Ontario and where Kirk also worked for the University in the so-called Computer Braille Facility. That 386 IBM clone came with Jaws version 1.1, it had a 3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drive and for the time a huge 70 Mb hard drive; many of my fellow students still had 286 PC's with 20 Mb or 40 Mb hard drives and only 5.25 inch floppy drives..

I also had an HP Scanjet scanner and the Arkenstone OCR software, a Versapoint braille printer and a very small and portable notetaker with a braille keyboard and its own screenreader called a "Eureka", it had a contact manager/address book, a word processor, a calendar, a calculator and even a music composer and it also had a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive for transferring stuff to the computer and even a built-in modem because I think it may have had an email program as well.

A friend of mine in Germany was studying computer science at a University in Germany and we started using email in late 1989 as well, the program of choice back then was Eudora and Word Perfect was the most widely used word processor, Quattro was the spreadsheet of choice.

 

Here is a bit of information about Jaws at the time:

 

JAWS for Windows was originally called JAWS (Job Access With Speech). JAWS Version 1.0 was released in 1989 by Ted Henter, a former motorcycle racer who

lost his sight in a 1978 car accident.

 

In 1985, Henter along with Bill Joyce, founded the Henter-Joyce Corporation in St. Petersburg, Florida. Joyce sold his interest in the company back to

Ted Henter sometime in 1990.

 

JAWS was created for computer users who used the DOS (Disk Operated System). A unique feature of the JAWS program, was its use of cascading menus in the

style of the popular Lotus 1-2-3 application.

Unlabeled 1

 

A significant distinction of JAWS to that of other screen readers of that era, was its use of macros. Macros allowed users to customise the user interface

and so work better with numerous computer applications.

 

Ted Henter and Rex Skipper wrote the original JAWS code in the mid-1980s, releasing version 2.0 in 1990. When Skipper left the company, Charles Oppermann

was hired to maintain and improve the JAWS program.

 

Oppermann and Henter continually added minor and major features and frequently released new versions of JAWS. Freedom Scientific now offer JAWS for MS-DOS

as a freeware download from their web site.

 

In the early 1990s, Microsoft Windows became more popular and Oppermann started to design a new version of JAWS. A principle design goal was to maintain

the natural user interface of Windows and to continue to provide a strong macro facility. It was around this time that JAWS was renamed JAWS for Windows

(JFW) and Beta versions of JAWS for Windows went on show and were demonstrated at many conferences throughout 1993 and 1994.

 

During this time developer Glen Gordon started working on the JAWS for Windows code, ultimately taking over its development when Oppermann was hired by

Microsoft in November of 1994 and in January 1995, JAWS for Windows 1.0 was released.

 

In April 2000, Henter-Joyce, Blazie Engineering, and Arkenstone, Inc. all merged together to form Freedom Scientific.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Bill White
 

I used an external box that was a screen reader called PC VERT with MS DOS in 1985.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

 

You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Glenn / Lenny
 

There was Jaws for DOS.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.


You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

inamuddin khan
 

Yes it is still being updated there was a gap of 2 years but now they have started to update and has updated 2 times in 6 days!

               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: tina sohl
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

Is it still being developed? I have mine set to grab automatic

updates, but seems as though it's been a while since it has.

tina

 

On 11/2/21, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> You don’t need the snapshot any more, just go to the TWBlue website and

> download the latest Windows installer.

> All the best

> Steve

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> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monica S

> Sent: 02 November 2021 00:01

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

> Hi, when I used this link to download the file, it downloaded a 54 bit

> version as a zip folder.  Do I need to extract these files and within that

> folder I’ll find the TW Blue.exe file?  Should I then press Enter on that?

> I did delete the %appdata% and deleted TW Blue from that folder before I

> downloaded.

> Thanks,

> Monica

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of inamuddin khan

> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 11:11 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

> Try this one:

> https://twblue.es/pubs/twblue_setup.exe

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for

> Windows

> From: stewartross via groups.io <mailto:stewartross@...>

> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 8:02 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

> Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

> i am on jaws 2019 windows 7, and mines stopped to.

> stew

> ----- Original Message -----

> From:  <mailto:randymeyer@...> Randy Meyer

> To:  <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> main@jfw.groups.io

> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:31 PM

> Subject: TW Blue Stopped Working

> TW Blue suddenly stopped working on my computer this weekend.  I am running

> JAWS 2022 and latest version of windows 10.  Is anyone else experiencing

> problems with TW Blue?

> Does anyone have suggestions for an app for getting and responding to tweets

> on a windows 10 computer?

> Randy Meyer

>

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Gerald Levy
 


You have been using JAWS since 1989?  That would be impossible because JAWS was not introduced until 1995.  In fact, I don't think any screen reader existed in 1989, not even Voice Over.


Gerald



On 11/2/2021 12:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

As I said, it's all about where your interests are and whether you spend some time at first learning about how to do things and then to actually use the product on a fairly regular bases to do said things. As a woodworker I could show you how to join two boards and maybe you get the concept, but that is a far cry from being able to do it. I just had no reason yet to use NVDA since Jaws does what I need it to do and at least for me it's fine on the web and I use that more than anything nowadays since now both my point of sale system and my bookkeeping system are online.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Wow, I’m older than you, at 61, and I can use pretty much any screen reader. 😊

 

NVDA is certainly getting better than JAWS on the web for the most part I have to say, but the experience in outlook is not so nice.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 02 November 2021 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Maria Campbell
 

I feel the same way about NVDA.  I have it as a backup, but the navigation of objects and all that stuff keeps me from truly getting enthused about it.  I'm too old to change from my good old reliable and expensive JAWS.



Maria Campbell
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On 11/2/2021 12:42 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

That is the way I am with NVDA.
It seems to have nothing like the Jaws cursor, and quite often I cannot read a box or window with it, possibly because I have never taken the time to study it and how to use it.
I heard a podcast of someone showing it once, and the discussion of child objects and parent objects and the like totally disinterested me.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Glenn / Lenny
 

That is the way I am with NVDA.
It seems to have nothing like the Jaws cursor, and quite often I cannot read a box or window with it, possibly because I have never taken the time to study it and how to use it.
I heard a podcast of someone showing it once, and the discussion of child objects and parent objects and the like totally disinterested me.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Steve Nutt
 

Wow, I’m older than you, at 61, and I can use pretty much any screen reader. 😊

 

NVDA is certainly getting better than JAWS on the web for the most part I have to say, but the experience in outlook is not so nice.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 02 November 2021 16:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Tom Behler
 

Glenn:

This is a laptop, so there's no HTMI plug involved.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

The HDMI plug could be the problem.
Try booting without the HDMI cable plugged in, unless this is a laptop in
discussion here.
I know that with the Raspberry PIs, if someone does first boot with an HDMI
cable plugged in, they have a difficult time to get the audio to come from
any other source, as the HDMI cable is detected as the desired audio output.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound


Not so, I have several HP EliteDesk Mini PC's and they have internal
speakers like a laptop, but they are not very good. On one of them the
default soundcard for Windows as well as Jaws is the connected HDMI
monitor which also has speakers, but no matter what I have tried, the
Windows startup sound plays very quietly on the internal speakers of
the computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 2, 2021 7:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Sieghard:

The windows startup sound is checked, but I still don't get the sound
when I boot up my computer.

I'm told that I might have to enable "fast startup" in order to make
this happen.

Can you confirm this?

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

The startup sound is a simple checkbox.
Open Control Panel
Go to Sound and press enter
Pres Control + Tab twice to go from the Playback tab to the Recording
tab and finally the Sounds tab, you can also press Shift + Tab until
you hear "Playback tab" and then arrow right twice to Sounds Tab until
you hear "Play Windows Startup Sound" and make sure the checkbox is
checked, then tab to OK and activate it.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up
sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound
scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast
Startup is checked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up
sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up
sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to
Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I
did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed
new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change
system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field.
Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually
delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information
about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the
information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound".
JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE
BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE
BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility
and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the
computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play
Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who
needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to
log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader
or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen,
this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start
Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you ,
that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password
or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when
you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If
you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has
not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to
press
CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.












































moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Tom Behler
 

Ultimately, I'm thinking that might be my best solution.

Thanks, everyone, for your patience.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Tom, why don't you give the Microsoft Disability Desk a call and ask if they can help.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 2, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Bill:

Yes, I do have a secondary sound card, but, at least as far as I can tell, re-arranging the sound card configurations has not allowed the startup sound to come back.

Will continue to check this possibility out, though.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. I have a question. Do you have a secondary sound card installed in your Dell? If so, the system sounds may be going to the default sound card, and JAWS and all other sounds to the secondary sound card. This could be why you aren't hearing your startup sound.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Steve, as a 54-year old very active technology user who has been using Jaws since 1989 I have tried to use NVDA a few times and I just can't do much with it because of the differences. Yes, maybe some keys are similar, but it still is quite different as well. Of course then again I just have not felt motivated to really spend time learning it to the point where I might feel more comfortable with it since I always keep my Jaws up to date.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 9:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi Billy,

 

I don’t think it would.

 

Many of the keystrokes are similar to JAWS.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Inglis
Sent: 02 November 2021 15:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,

but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Sieghard.

I appreciate the confirmation about fast startup likely not being the problem.

Once again, I do not get the startup sound on any of the sound cards or speaker systems I use, including the laptop's internal speakers.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Not so, I have several HP EliteDesk Mini PC's and they have internal speakers like a laptop, but they are not very good. On one of them the default soundcard for Windows as well as Jaws is the connected HDMI monitor which also has speakers, but no matter what I have tried, the Windows startup sound plays very quietly on the internal speakers of the computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 2, 2021 7:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Sieghard:

The windows startup sound is checked, but I still don't get the sound when I boot up my computer.

I'm told that I might have to enable "fast startup" in order to make this happen.

Can you confirm this?

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

The startup sound is a simple checkbox.
Open Control Panel
Go to Sound and press enter
Pres Control + Tab twice to go from the Playback tab to the Recording tab and finally the Sounds tab, you can also press Shift + Tab until you hear "Playback tab" and then arrow right twice to Sounds Tab until you hear "Play Windows Startup Sound" and make sure the checkbox is checked, then tab to OK and activate it.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.


moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Glenn / Lenny
 

The HDMI plug could be the problem.
Try booting without the HDMI cable plugged in, unless this is a laptop in discussion here.
I know that with the Raspberry PIs, if someone does first boot with an HDMI cable plugged in, they have a difficult time to get the audio to come from any other source, as the HDMI cable is detected as the desired audio output.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound


Not so, I have several HP EliteDesk Mini PC's and they have internal speakers like a laptop, but they are not very good. On one of them the default soundcard for Windows as well as Jaws is the connected HDMI monitor which also has speakers, but no matter what I have tried, the Windows startup sound plays very quietly on the internal speakers of the computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 2, 2021 7:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Sieghard:

The windows startup sound is checked, but I still don't get the sound when I boot up my computer.

I'm told that I might have to enable "fast startup" in order to make this happen.

Can you confirm this?

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

The startup sound is a simple checkbox.
Open Control Panel
Go to Sound and press enter
Pres Control + Tab twice to go from the Playback tab to the Recording tab and finally the Sounds tab, you can also press Shift + Tab until you hear "Playback tab" and then arrow right twice to Sounds Tab until you hear "Play Windows Startup Sound" and make sure the checkbox is checked, then tab to OK and activate it.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.











































moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Mario
 

if you're talking about Window Eyes, the makers have gone out of business, and most likely won't work properly in Windows these days. the only alternative is NVDA which is free and Narrator which is built in to Windows 10.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Billy Inglis [mailto:billyinglis49@...]
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 12:15 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
hi Pat, thanks for reply. I have been informed not to contact Freedom
Scientific as they are very expensive. Windoweys would be the screen
reader for me, but no longer available in the UK, Billy

-----Original Message----- From: Pat Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Billy,
Since you are in the U K I am not sure what your options
are.  Contact Freedom Scientific - better than my guessing
Pat Byrne.At 05:06 AM 11/2/2021, you wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from
Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if
there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy












.


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

The subscription has been available in Canada since July.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: November 2, 2021 7:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Being Canadian the subscription was not available to me. Perhaps that's changed however, purchasing the SMA was more cost affective in the long run. It cost $160 for 2 years, as apposed to $95 per year with a subscription.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: November 2, 2021 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

There is an annual subscription, some might find it affordable.
It cost about $95 a year, in the US, For Personal/non-commercial use Install on 3 PCs.
TC

On 11/2/21, Billy Inglis <billyinglis49@...> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from
Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if
there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy






moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

I do use a pair of USB headphones for Zoom meetings, but never keep them plugged in. I only plug them in when using them for a meeting.

I'm now really starting to wonder if my issue does have something to do with sound card configurations, or with the new Dell drivers I received after updating to Windows 10.

I should point out that the Windows start-up sound initially played right after the Windows 10 update, but stopped after I updated my Dell drivers.

Not quite sure how to fix this, but at least we might be getting closer to the cause of the issue.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. Do you also have a pair of USB headphones plugged in, but aren't using them at the time you restart your computer? This could cause the startup sound to come through the headphones, and the other sounds like JAWS and music to come through another sound card. If you're not using the headphones all the time, make sure the startup sound isn't coming through any plugged-in headphones, no matter how the other sound cards are configured.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Bill:

Yes, I do have a secondary sound card, but, at least as far as I can tell, re-arranging the sound card configurations has not allowed the startup sound to come back.

Will continue to check this possibility out, though.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. I have a question. Do you have a secondary sound card installed in your Dell? If so, the system sounds may be going to the default sound card, and JAWS and all other sounds to the secondary sound card. This could be why you aren't hearing your startup sound.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Which is exactly why people really need to mention where they live when they ask questions about Jaws pricing or  any other pricing or availability of maybe certain subscriptions or software

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: November 2, 2021 7:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Hi,

 

Billy is in the UK I believe.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Rinehart
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Also if you live in the US or a territory, try to find the tech act program in your state to see if they have a low interest extended term loan program folks can use to buy technology. 

 

On Nov 2, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:



You can get a Annual Home subscription for JAWS for  around $90 a year. There is also a free screen reader "NVDA"

----- Original Message -----

From: Billy Inglis

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:06 AM

Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


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