On 14 Oct 2021, at 10:41 AM, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:

I suspect you do but I only have one account so can't check.

On 10/13/21, Dani Pagador <pocketfulofspry@...> wrote:

I don't see the "Set Basic HTML View as Default" option either. I just

see "Standard" and then "Learn More". Glad it's not just me.

You wrote: "To use basic from the

outset I now have to use a bookmark (to the page that comes up when I

hit the basic HTML button)."

If you have more than one account, do you need to bookmark each

account's Inbox separately when you change to the Basic HTML view to

have the mailbox's webpage open in Basic HTML?

Thanks,

Dani

On 10/13/21, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:

The basic view as default no longer works the way it used to.

Used to be (with basic as default) I could simply go to "gmail.com"

and it would load the page with the basic HTML view already set. Now

if I go to gmail.com it loads the standard view and I have to hit the

basic HTML button for each separate visit. To use basic from the

outset I now have to use a bookmark (to the page that comes up when I

hit the basic HTML button).

It's not a change I'm particularly happy with but I've at least mostly

made the mental switch.

On 10/13/21, Jeff Christiansen <jeff@...> wrote:

The set Basic view as default appears at the bottom of the page after

you

have made the change to basic view.

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dani Pagador

Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 2:53 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Unable to load Basic HTML view in Gmail

I was having trouble yesterday, but managed to be able to load the Basic

HTML view for my various GMail accounts this morning. Hopefully it stays

that way all day.

It seems as though they've taken away the ability to keep this as the

default view, though. For the past few days, I've had to toggle it on

when

I've logged in to the web interface. I can't find the "set Basic HTML as

the

default view" that I used to see before, and it isn't under the

Settings,

either. (Sight dependent people seem to like the Standard view better;

when

my husband needs to find something in my e-mail, he sets it to Standard

view, and I'd find it that way the next time I log in. Imho, it's not

very

JFW or this-user friendly.)

More Later,

Dani

On 10/13/21, Patrick Johnson <patrickjohnson1015@...> wrote:

You are not the only one experiencing issues loading the basic html

version.  Gmail has been flaky multiple times over the past few weeks

with trying to load the basic html version.  Only advise, take a break

and try again after an hour or two.

Google hangouts appears to be accessible for the most part with JAWS,

but the screen reader access documentation is lacking.

Patrick

On 10/13/21, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:

Don't know, it still works here. Maybe try actually logging out then

signing back in? It's been years since I have actually signed out of

gmail, even with switching computers since I always keep the old ones.

On 10/12/21, turab chimthanawala <turabhvc@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I am unable to load Basic HTML view in Gmail. It says temporary

error.

Tried on 2 laptops and on Chrome as well as on firefox. The problem

persists with my other account as well. What could be the issue?

Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala

(ACS, LLM)

+91-8087813609

turabhvc@...

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Steve, no insult taken on my part here. I was trained by my sighted boss at work years back, who knew enough to teach someone who had never used a computer in their life. I never went through a regular computer training class. That’s why this list is so good, as I am not familiar with the alt down arrow for opening combo boxes. I have picked up more things over the years for sure. Thanks for that update and how you accessed it, and I’m glad you included what you did because there are obviously others having problems who probably are more savvy than I am, and it shouldn’t be so hard. Please let us know ifyou receive a reply from them. Thanks again. Judy & Libby

Out of curiosity I just signed up for Next Door and while there aren't that many people on there for my small community, there are some and I was able to read their posts, I was also able to start a new message and since I noticed one name of a person I knew I selected him and that worked fine.

I also went into the Help section under My Account and after I searched for "Accessibility" and this produced no results I selected the "Contact Us" option.

I was then presented with a form where I had to select a category, what my request was about, i.e. Feature request/improvement and then I could fill in my email, name, address, a subject and my message.

I was able to access the two combo boxes to select the topic and such without any issues, but I had to use Alt + Down arrow to open them and arrow through the choices since Enter did not work.

I just wrote that I am new and visually impaired using a screenreader and that in a recent discussion on a mailing list many people complained about the accessibility of the Next Door website and I then included maybe half a dozen messages from the thread where people were saying how they found accessibility lacking and that some left the platform.

As I said, so far I find no major issues, but then of course I haven't done much on the site. I would like to preface my next comment by saying I don't mean to insult anybody, but I do sometimes find that people say a site is not accessible when in fact it is and they just don't know how to leverage the functions of their screenreader to their fullest potential. That does not mean improvements shouldn't be made, but Jaws officially says that Alt _+ Down Arrow opens a combo box and while Enter may work on many, if a combo box only responds to Alt + Down Arrow and somebody doesn't know this it does not make said combo box or webpage inaccessible.

I had to leave NextDoor a couple of years ago because it became very inaccessible.  Prior to that change, it was mostly accessible.  This really sucks because it was a fun, useful and important app.

Laurie, thanks, that lets me know it’s not my 2019 jaws, even with the most current it doesn’t work. I can reply to someone else’s message, but that’s all I can do. I guess they care about neighbors as long as they aren’t disabled. It really steams me, something maybe the NFB or ACB can get on. Maybe a law suit would give them inspiration. Judy & Libby

It’s funny that this question was sent. It’s been several months since I last used the page. Back then I could find and do whatever I needed to do. This week I gave up at it completely. I’m using Windows 10 and JAWS 22.

Lori Lynn

I agree with you.  I am not sure accessibility is of much interest to them.  Sad face.

Barbara

Am I the only one who has noticed that Next Door has become more and more inaccessible. I used to be able to go to the home page, find a link for posting a message, pick the category etc. Now none of the combo boxes work for the purposes of picking your category so it won’t go through. Going to the help section and filling out a contact form is the same thing; none of the combo boxes work to choose topics. Has anyone had any success with this, posting a message etc? Using win 10 and jaws 19. Judy & Libby

I've forced to find that button and use space bar.Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Hm. I was in a meeting yesterday (using a rather old JFW version mind you)
and there was definitely a button on the main meeting page (not inside the
participants panel) that showed whether I was muted or not. It says your
name and then, "currently muted", or something, if you are muted.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: October 28, 2021 05:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Often although alt+a works, JAWS doesn't indicate that it does. My computer
just dings as though there was an error, but there wasn't. I have to go to
alt+u to locate myself in the list of attendees to see whether or not it
did.
At 04:14 PM 10/28/2021, you wrote:

Hi, Justin. I am using Windows 10, (OS Build 19043.1320), JAWS 2022,
and mute is working fine for me with ALT plus A.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: zoom 2021 commands

It would appear as if you 2021 zoom commands, such as alt a for muting
and unmuting don't work anymore.
How do I get them to work again?


Justin

I've forced to find that button and use space bar.Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Hm. I was in a meeting yesterday (using a rather old JFW version mind
you) and there was definitely a button on the main meeting page (not
inside the participants panel) that showed whether I was muted or not.
It says your name and then, "currently muted", or something, if you are muted.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: October 28, 2021 05:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Often although alt+a works, JAWS doesn't indicate that it does. My
computer just dings as though there was an error, but there wasn't. I
have to go to
alt+u to locate myself in the list of attendees to see whether or not
alt+it
did.
At 04:14 PM 10/28/2021, you wrote:

Hi, Justin. I am using Windows 10, (OS Build 19043.1320), JAWS 2022,
and mute is working fine for me with ALT plus A.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: zoom 2021 commands

It would appear as if you 2021 zoom commands, such as alt a for
muting and unmuting don't work anymore.
How do I get them to work again?


Justin

I've forced to find that button and use space bar.Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Hm. I was in a meeting yesterday (using a rather old JFW version mind you)
and there was definitely a button on the main meeting page (not inside the
participants panel) that showed whether I was muted or not. It says your
name and then, "currently muted", or something, if you are muted.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: October 28, 2021 05:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Often although alt+a works, JAWS doesn't indicate that it does. My computer
just dings as though there was an error, but there wasn't. I have to go to
alt+u to locate myself in the list of attendees to see whether or not it
did.
At 04:14 PM 10/28/2021, you wrote:

Hi, Justin. I am using Windows 10, (OS Build 19043.1320), JAWS 2022,
and mute is working fine for me with ALT plus A.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: zoom 2021 commands

It would appear as if you 2021 zoom commands, such as alt a for muting
and unmuting don't work anymore.
How do I get them to work again?


Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of rmshah@...
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Distortion on Zoom Calls

Hello all:

My colleagues at work are reporting JAWS distortion with JAWS 2021 on Zoom calls. If JAWS is launched after the call is connected, there is no distortion. However, if JAWS is on before the call connects, then JAWS is distorted. Is this a RealTech effects issue, or have other people been successful with another fix?

Thank you.

Regards,

Rajiv

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast
Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings
that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then
scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast
startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens
when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast
startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press
ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with
Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have
had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead,
is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540
laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the
windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the
Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate
the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that
you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not,
navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to
Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of
the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently
unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended)
checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast
Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings
that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then
scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast
startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens
when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast
startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press
ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with
Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have
had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead,
is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540
laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the
windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the
Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate
the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that
you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not,
navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to
Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of
the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently
unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended)
checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.