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moderated Re: Unable to load Basic HTML view in Gmail

lim yewyi
 

On 14 Oct 2021, at 10:41 AM, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:

I suspect you do but I only have one account so can't check.

On 10/13/21, Dani Pagador <pocketfulofspry@...> wrote:
I don't see the "Set Basic HTML View as Default" option either. I just
see "Standard" and then "Learn More". Glad it's not just me.

You wrote: "To use basic from the
outset I now have to use a bookmark (to the page that comes up when I
hit the basic HTML button)."

If you have more than one account, do you need to bookmark each
account's Inbox separately when you change to the Basic HTML view to
have the mailbox's webpage open in Basic HTML?

Thanks,
Dani

On 10/13/21, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:
The basic view as default no longer works the way it used to.

Used to be (with basic as default) I could simply go to "gmail.com"
and it would load the page with the basic HTML view already set. Now
if I go to gmail.com it loads the standard view and I have to hit the
basic HTML button for each separate visit. To use basic from the
outset I now have to use a bookmark (to the page that comes up when I
hit the basic HTML button).

It's not a change I'm particularly happy with but I've at least mostly
made the mental switch.

On 10/13/21, Jeff Christiansen <jeff@...> wrote:
The set Basic view as default appears at the bottom of the page after
you
have made the change to basic view.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to load Basic HTML view in Gmail

I was having trouble yesterday, but managed to be able to load the Basic
HTML view for my various GMail accounts this morning. Hopefully it stays
that way all day.

It seems as though they've taken away the ability to keep this as the
default view, though. For the past few days, I've had to toggle it on
when
I've logged in to the web interface. I can't find the "set Basic HTML as
the
default view" that I used to see before, and it isn't under the
Settings,
either. (Sight dependent people seem to like the Standard view better;
when
my husband needs to find something in my e-mail, he sets it to Standard
view, and I'd find it that way the next time I log in. Imho, it's not
very
JFW or this-user friendly.)

More Later,
Dani



On 10/13/21, Patrick Johnson <patrickjohnson1015@...> wrote:
You are not the only one experiencing issues loading the basic html
version.  Gmail has been flaky multiple times over the past few weeks
with trying to load the basic html version.  Only advise, take a break
and try again after an hour or two.
Google hangouts appears to be accessible for the most part with JAWS,
but the screen reader access documentation is lacking.

Patrick

On 10/13/21, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:
Don't know, it still works here. Maybe try actually logging out then
signing back in? It's been years since I have actually signed out of
gmail, even with switching computers since I always keep the old ones.

On 10/12/21, turab chimthanawala <turabhvc@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I am unable to load Basic HTML view in Gmail. It says temporary
error.
Tried on 2 laptops and on Chrome as well as on firefox. The problem
persists with my other account as well. What could be the issue?

Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...








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moderated Re: next door question

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Judy,

 

I don't want to belittle your computer knowledge or accomplishments in your job, but I think it is very important nowadays that if you want to participate fully on social media sites, do the best you can at your job and all in all make your life easier it is more important than ever to continuously educate yourself and especially to learn your screenreader of choice whether that is Jaws or NVDA, inside out.

If you do use Jaws as you are, you have a lot of resources at your disposal from the Jaws Command Search if you are trying to do something and can't recall the keyboard shortcut to the Jaws help Topics and the Training section also accessed through Jaws menu > Help and which in turn leads to the Jaws training website, SurfsUp. .

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: October 28, 2021 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: next door question

 

Steve, no insult taken on my part here. I was trained by my sighted boss at work years back, who knew enough to teach someone who had never used a computer in their life. I never went through a regular computer training class. That’s why this list is so good, as I am not familiar with the alt down arrow for opening combo boxes. I have picked up more things over the years for sure. Thanks for that update and how you accessed it, and I’m glad you included what you did because there are obviously others having problems who probably are more savvy than I am, and it shouldn’t be so hard. Please let us know ifyou receive a reply from them. Thanks again. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: next door question

 

Out of curiosity I just signed up for Next Door and while there aren't that many people on there for my small community, there are some and I was able to read their posts, I was also able to start a new message and since I noticed one name of a person I knew I selected him and that worked fine.

I also went into the Help section under My Account and after I searched for "Accessibility" and this produced no results I selected the "Contact Us" option.

I was then presented with a form where I had to select a category, what my request was about, i.e. Feature request/improvement and then I could fill in my email, name, address, a subject and my message.

I was able to access the two combo boxes to select the topic and such without any issues, but I had to use Alt + Down arrow to open them and arrow through the choices since Enter did not work.

I just wrote that I am new and visually impaired using a screenreader and that in a recent discussion on a mailing list many people complained about the accessibility of the Next Door website and I then included maybe half a dozen messages from the thread where people were saying how they found accessibility lacking and that some left the platform.

As I said, so far I find no major issues, but then of course I haven't done much on the site. I would like to preface my next comment by saying I don't mean to insult anybody, but I do sometimes find that people say a site is not accessible when in fact it is and they just don't know how to leverage the functions of their screenreader to their fullest potential. That does not mean improvements shouldn't be made, but Jaws officially says that Alt _+ Down Arrow opens a combo box and while Enter may work on many, if a combo box only responds to Alt + Down Arrow and somebody doesn't know this it does not make said combo box or webpage inaccessible.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: October 28, 2021 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: next door question

 

I had to leave NextDoor a couple of years ago because it became very inaccessible.  Prior to that change, it was mostly accessible.  This really sucks because it was a fun, useful and important app.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 9:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: next door question

 

Laurie, thanks, that lets me know it’s not my 2019 jaws, even with the most current it doesn’t work. I can reply to someone else’s message, but that’s all I can do. I guess they care about neighbors as long as they aren’t disabled. It really steams me, something maybe the NFB or ACB can get on. Maybe a law suit would give them inspiration. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lori Lynn
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: next door question

 

It’s funny that this question was sent. It’s been several months since I last used the page. Back then I could find and do whatever I needed to do. This week I gave up at it completely. I’m using Windows 10 and JAWS 22.

 

Lori Lynn

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Sheinbein
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 9:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: next door question

 

I agree with you.  I am not sure accessibility is of much interest to them.  Sad face.

 

Barbara

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 10:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: next door question

 

Am I the only one who has noticed that Next Door has become more and more inaccessible. I used to be able to go to the home page, find a link for posting a message, pick the category etc. Now none of the combo boxes work for the purposes of picking your category so it won’t go through. Going to the help section and filling out a contact form is the same thing; none of the combo boxes work to choose topics. Has anyone had any success with this, posting a message etc? Using win 10 and jaws 19. Judy & Libby


moderated Re: zoom 2021 commands

Bill White
 

Zoom Keyboard Shortcuts
Zoom Version 5,8,3,1581

Navigate Among Zoom Popup Windows
F6
Change Focus to Zoom Meeting Controls (On Top when Sharing Screen)
Ctrl+Alt+Shift
View the Previous Page of Video Participants in Gallery View
Page Up
View the Next Page of Video Participants in Gallery View
Page Down
Always Show Meeting Controls
Alt
Switch to Speaker View
Alt+F1
Switch to Gallery View
Alt+F2
Close Current Window
Alt+F4
Start/Stop Video
Alt+V
Mute/Unmute My Audio
Alt+A
Unmute Audio for Everyone Except Host (Host Only)
Alt+M
Start/Stop Screen Sharing
Alt+S
Show/Hide Windows and Applications Available to Share
Alt+Shift+S
Pause/Resume Screen Sharing
Alt+T
Start/Stop Local Recording
Alt+R
Start/Stop Cloud Recording
Alt+C
Pause/Resume Recording
Alt+P
Switch Camera
Alt+N
Enter/Exit Full Screen Mode
Alt+F
Show/Hide In-meeting Chat Panel
Alt+H
Show/Hide Participants Panel
Alt+U
Open the invite window
Alt+I
Raise/Lower Hand
Alt+Y
End Meeting
Alt+Q
Begin Remote Control
Alt+Shift+R
Revoke/Give up Remote Control
Alt+Shift+G
Read active speaker name
Ctrl+2
Show/Hide Floating Meeting Controls
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+H
Increase chat display size
Ctrl++
Decrease chat display size
Ctrl+-
Screenshot
Alt+Shift+T
Switch to Portrait/Landscape View
Alt+L
Hide current chat session
Ctrl+W
Go to Previous Chat
Ctrl+Up
Go to Next Chat
Ctrl+Down
Back in Chat
Alt+Left
Forward in Chat
Alt+Right
Jump to Chat with Someone
Ctrl+T
Search
Ctrl+F
Call highlighted number/Search Directory
Ctrl+P
Accept Call
Ctrl+Shift+A
End Call
Ctrl+Shift+E
Decline Call
Ctrl+Shift+D
Mute/Unmute Call
Ctrl+Shift+M
Hold/Unhold Call
Ctrl+Shift+H

Zoom Shortcuts Exclusive to JAWS 2021 and Later

To enable or disable alerts
press Alt+Windows+S.
To hear the most recent alert
press Alt+Windows+A.
To be reminded of whether alert announcements are enabled or disabled
press JAWSKey+Tab.
To review the last 10 alerts or messages
press Control+1 through to Control+0. Press twice quickly to virtualise.
To only allow chat messages when pressing Control+1 through to Control+0
press control+F5.
To have Zoom announce who's currently talking
press control+Shift+T.

Functionality has also been added to report:
The state of recording when ALT+R is pressed. This is a keystroke which enables or disables the recording.
Whether the recording has been paused or is resuming when ALT+P is pressed.
Whether the audio has been muted for all participants when ALT+A is pressed.

The controls for scheduling and creating a meeting should also be easier to understand.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Does anyone have a list of zoom commands? Would appreciate a share.
Thanks.

On 10/28/2021 4:43 PM, Justin Williams wrote:
I've forced to find that button and use space bar.Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Hm. I was in a meeting yesterday (using a rather old JFW version mind you)
and there was definitely a button on the main meeting page (not inside the
participants panel) that showed whether I was muted or not. It says your
name and then, "currently muted", or something, if you are muted.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: October 28, 2021 05:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Often although alt+a works, JAWS doesn't indicate that it does. My computer
just dings as though there was an error, but there wasn't. I have to go to
alt+u to locate myself in the list of attendees to see whether or not it
did.
At 04:14 PM 10/28/2021, you wrote:
Hi, Justin. I am using Windows 10, (OS Build 19043.1320), JAWS 2022,
and mute is working fine for me with ALT plus A.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: zoom 2021 commands

It would appear as if you 2021 zoom commands, such as alt a for muting
and unmuting don't work anymore.
How do I get them to work again?


Justin



















moderated Re: zoom 2021 commands

Justin Williams
 

I found them online, but someone might have 2021 exact commands.

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 11:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Does anyone have a list of zoom commands? Would appreciate a share. Thanks.

On 10/28/2021 4:43 PM, Justin Williams wrote:
I've forced to find that button and use space bar.Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Hm. I was in a meeting yesterday (using a rather old JFW version mind
you) and there was definitely a button on the main meeting page (not
inside the participants panel) that showed whether I was muted or not.
It says your name and then, "currently muted", or something, if you are muted.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: October 28, 2021 05:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Often although alt+a works, JAWS doesn't indicate that it does. My
computer just dings as though there was an error, but there wasn't. I
have to go to
alt+u to locate myself in the list of attendees to see whether or not
alt+it
did.
At 04:14 PM 10/28/2021, you wrote:
Hi, Justin. I am using Windows 10, (OS Build 19043.1320), JAWS 2022,
and mute is working fine for me with ALT plus A.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: zoom 2021 commands

It would appear as if you 2021 zoom commands, such as alt a for
muting and unmuting don't work anymore.
How do I get them to work again?


Justin



















moderated Re: zoom 2021 commands

Howard Traxler
 

Does anyone have a list of zoom commands?  Would appreciate a share.  Thanks.

On 10/28/2021 4:43 PM, Justin Williams wrote:
I've forced to find that button and use space bar.Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Hm. I was in a meeting yesterday (using a rather old JFW version mind you)
and there was definitely a button on the main meeting page (not inside the
participants panel) that showed whether I was muted or not. It says your
name and then, "currently muted", or something, if you are muted.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: October 28, 2021 05:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom 2021 commands

Often although alt+a works, JAWS doesn't indicate that it does. My computer
just dings as though there was an error, but there wasn't. I have to go to
alt+u to locate myself in the list of attendees to see whether or not it
did.
At 04:14 PM 10/28/2021, you wrote:
Hi, Justin. I am using Windows 10, (OS Build 19043.1320), JAWS 2022,
and mute is working fine for me with ALT plus A.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Justin Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: zoom 2021 commands

It would appear as if you 2021 zoom commands, such as alt a for muting
and unmuting don't work anymore.
How do I get them to work again?


Justin


















moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. Even if you experience JAWS Startup sluggishness or inconsistency, it probably has nothing to do with fast startup, since, even if fast startup is checked when hibernate is enabled, the computer will not now use fast startup, because, when hibernate is disabled, and fast startup doesn't show up in the Power Options menu, the computer can't use it. The computer acts like it is unchecked, even if it is actually checked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 7:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Ok, Bill.

If I experience more Jaws start-up sluggishness and inconsistency, I'll definitely carry out these steps.

I appreciate your posting them, and will save for future reference.

For now, I'm going to keep things as they are.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 9:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. You would need to have Hibernate enabled to see if Fast Startup is checked, and this is a little lengthy, so I'll post it here.

How to Enable Hibernation on a Windows 10 PC

1. type Command Prompt into the search bar.
2. click Run as administrator.
3. type,
powercfg.exe /hibernate on
into the Command Prompt.
4. Press Enter on your keyboard.

To disable hibernate again, perform everything as above, except in step 3, type,

powercfg.exe /hibernate off

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Do I want hibernate to be enabled or disabled in order to see if quick startup is checked or un-checked?

As noted before, I believe hibernate is currently disabled.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Yes, it does. Also, there is an easier way to get to what shows up in the power menu. After opening Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do, also open Change Settings that are currently unavailable. You can check or uncheck hibernate there without using the JAWS cursor.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I find no hiberfil.sys file in the root of my OS directory.

So, I guess that means hybernate is disabled.

Tom Behler



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. If hibernate is enabled, there will be a hiberfil.sys file in the root of your OS directory, which, for most, is the C drive.

Also, to get Hibernate to show up in the power menu, it is necessary to use the JAWS cursor, when in Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do. The JAWS cursor will show if Hibernate is checked or unchecked. If you want it checked, if in Desktop keyboard layout, you would use the slash on the number pad, which is Left Mouse Click, on the word Hibernate. If in Laptop Keyboard Layoub, Left Mouse click is, CAPS LOCK+8, on the numbers row.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I don't have hybernate disabled, at least so far as I know.

If you can tell me where to find it, I'll check.

For your and everyone's information, I just shut down and re-booted my computer twice, and now, Jaws seems to be coming up a bit more quickly and consistently.

Not sure why that would be, but I'll take it as some sort of progress.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead, is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540 laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not, navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended) checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Tom Behler
 

Ok, Bill.

If I experience more Jaws start-up sluggishness and inconsistency, I'll definitely carry out these steps.

I appreciate your posting them, and will save for future reference.

For now, I'm going to keep things as they are.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 9:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. You would need to have Hibernate enabled to see if Fast Startup is checked, and this is a little lengthy, so I'll post it here.

How to Enable Hibernation on a Windows 10 PC

1. type Command Prompt into the search bar.
2. click Run as administrator.
3. type,
powercfg.exe /hibernate on
into the Command Prompt.
4. Press Enter on your keyboard.

To disable hibernate again, perform everything as above, except in step 3, type,

powercfg.exe /hibernate off

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Do I want hibernate to be enabled or disabled in order to see if quick startup is checked or un-checked?

As noted before, I believe hibernate is currently disabled.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Yes, it does. Also, there is an easier way to get to what shows up in the power menu. After opening Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do, also open Change Settings that are currently unavailable. You can check or uncheck hibernate there without using the JAWS cursor.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I find no hiberfil.sys file in the root of my OS directory.

So, I guess that means hybernate is disabled.

Tom Behler



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. If hibernate is enabled, there will be a hiberfil.sys file in the root of your OS directory, which, for most, is the C drive.

Also, to get Hibernate to show up in the power menu, it is necessary to use the JAWS cursor, when in Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do. The JAWS cursor will show if Hibernate is checked or unchecked. If you want it checked, if in Desktop keyboard layout, you would use the slash on the number pad, which is Left Mouse Click, on the word Hibernate. If in Laptop Keyboard Layoub, Left Mouse click is, CAPS LOCK+8, on the numbers row.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I don't have hybernate disabled, at least so far as I know.

If you can tell me where to find it, I'll check.

For your and everyone's information, I just shut down and re-booted my computer twice, and now, Jaws seems to be coming up a bit more quickly and consistently.

Not sure why that would be, but I'll take it as some sort of progress.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead, is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540 laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not, navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended) checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.


moderated Re: JAWS Distortion on Zoom Calls

Justin Williams
 

Are  you able to unload jaws and reload jaws  to get rid of distortion?

 

 

I've noticed that the braille display works better when I do that.

 

Justin

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of rmshah@...
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 9:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Distortion on Zoom Calls

 

Hello all:

My colleagues at work are reporting JAWS distortion with JAWS 2021 on Zoom calls. If JAWS is launched after the call is connected, there is no distortion. However, if JAWS is on before the call connects, then JAWS is distorted. Is this a RealTech effects issue, or have other people been successful with another fix?

Thank you.

Regards,

Rajiv


moderated JAWS Distortion on Zoom Calls

rmshah@...
 

Hello all:

My colleagues at work are reporting JAWS distortion with JAWS 2021 on Zoom calls. If JAWS is launched after the call is connected, there is no distortion. However, if JAWS is on before the call connects, then JAWS is distorted. Is this a RealTech effects issue, or have other people been successful with another fix?

Thank you.

Regards,

Rajiv


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. You would need to have Hibernate enabled to see if Fast Startup is checked, and this is a little lengthy, so I'll post it here.

How to Enable Hibernation on a Windows 10 PC

1. type Command Prompt into the search bar.
2. click Run as administrator.
3. type,
powercfg.exe /hibernate on
into the Command Prompt.
4. Press Enter on your keyboard.

To disable hibernate again, perform everything as above, except in step 3, type,

powercfg.exe /hibernate off

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Do I want hibernate to be enabled or disabled in order to see if quick startup is checked or un-checked?

As noted before, I believe hibernate is currently disabled.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Yes, it does. Also, there is an easier way to get to what shows up in the power menu. After opening Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do, also open Change Settings that are currently unavailable. You can check or uncheck hibernate there without using the JAWS cursor.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I find no hiberfil.sys file in the root of my OS directory.

So, I guess that means hybernate is disabled.

Tom Behler



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. If hibernate is enabled, there will be a hiberfil.sys file in the root of your OS directory, which, for most, is the C drive.

Also, to get Hibernate to show up in the power menu, it is necessary to use the JAWS cursor, when in Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do. The JAWS cursor will show if Hibernate is checked or unchecked. If you want it checked, if in Desktop keyboard layout, you would use the slash on the number pad, which is Left Mouse Click, on the word Hibernate. If in Laptop Keyboard Layoub, Left Mouse click is, CAPS LOCK+8, on the numbers row.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I don't have hybernate disabled, at least so far as I know.

If you can tell me where to find it, I'll check.

For your and everyone's information, I just shut down and re-booted my computer twice, and now, Jaws seems to be coming up a bit more quickly and consistently.

Not sure why that would be, but I'll take it as some sort of progress.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead, is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540 laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not, navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended) checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

 

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 08:39 PM, Bill White wrote:
You can check or uncheck hibernate there
-
But only if the hibernate function is active, system-wide.  I have disabled hibernation on my computer, as I don't use normal hibernation and I don't want Fast Startup, either, and disabling hibernation kills two birds with one stone.  The only two options I have available in the Choose what the power button does dialog at the moment are checkboxes for Sleep and Lock.

If you want to determine whether hibernation is disabled for Windows, which means anything that depends on it (including Fast Startup) is disabled as well, open a command prompt session and enter:

powercfg /a

In the output look for Hibernate and Fast Startup.  If under Hibernate you find, "Hibernation has not been enabled," then under Fast Startup you will certainly find, "Hibernation is not available."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Tom Behler
 

Do I want hibernate to be enabled or disabled in order to see if quick startup is checked or un-checked?

As noted before, I believe hibernate is currently disabled.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Yes, it does. Also, there is an easier way to get to what shows up in the power menu. After opening Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do, also open Change Settings that are currently unavailable. You can check or uncheck hibernate there without using the JAWS cursor.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I find no hiberfil.sys file in the root of my OS directory.

So, I guess that means hybernate is disabled.

Tom Behler



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. If hibernate is enabled, there will be a hiberfil.sys file in the root of your OS directory, which, for most, is the C drive.

Also, to get Hibernate to show up in the power menu, it is necessary to use the JAWS cursor, when in Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do. The JAWS cursor will show if Hibernate is checked or unchecked. If you want it checked, if in Desktop keyboard layout, you would use the slash on the number pad, which is Left Mouse Click, on the word Hibernate. If in Laptop Keyboard Layoub, Left Mouse click is, CAPS LOCK+8, on the numbers row.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I don't have hybernate disabled, at least so far as I know.

If you can tell me where to find it, I'll check.

For your and everyone's information, I just shut down and re-booted my computer twice, and now, Jaws seems to be coming up a bit more quickly and consistently.

Not sure why that would be, but I'll take it as some sort of progress.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead, is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540 laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not, navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended) checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. Yes, it does. Also, there is an easier way to get to what shows up in the power menu. After opening Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do, also open Change Settings that are currently unavailable. You can check or uncheck hibernate there without using the JAWS cursor.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I find no hiberfil.sys file in the root of my OS directory.

So, I guess that means hybernate is disabled.

Tom Behler



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. If hibernate is enabled, there will be a hiberfil.sys file in the root of your OS directory, which, for most, is the C drive.

Also, to get Hibernate to show up in the power menu, it is necessary to use the JAWS cursor, when in Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do. The JAWS cursor will show if Hibernate is checked or unchecked. If you want it checked, if in Desktop keyboard layout, you would use the slash on the number pad, which is Left Mouse Click, on the word Hibernate. If in Laptop Keyboard Layoub, Left Mouse click is, CAPS LOCK+8, on the numbers row.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I don't have hybernate disabled, at least so far as I know.

If you can tell me where to find it, I'll check.

For your and everyone's information, I just shut down and re-booted my computer twice, and now, Jaws seems to be coming up a bit more quickly and consistently.

Not sure why that would be, but I'll take it as some sort of progress.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead, is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540 laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not, navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended) checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

I find no hiberfil.sys file in the root of my OS directory.

So, I guess that means hybernate is disabled.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. If hibernate is enabled, there will be a hiberfil.sys file in the root of your OS directory, which, for most, is the C drive.

Also, to get Hibernate to show up in the power menu, it is necessary to use the JAWS cursor, when in Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do. The JAWS cursor will show if Hibernate is checked or unchecked. If you want it checked, if in Desktop keyboard layout, you would use the slash on the number pad, which is Left Mouse Click, on the word Hibernate. If in Laptop Keyboard Layoub, Left Mouse click is, CAPS LOCK+8, on the numbers row.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I don't have hybernate disabled, at least so far as I know.

If you can tell me where to find it, I'll check.

For your and everyone's information, I just shut down and re-booted my computer twice, and now, Jaws seems to be coming up a bit more quickly and consistently.

Not sure why that would be, but I'll take it as some sort of progress.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead, is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540 laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not, navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended) checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. If hibernate is enabled, there will be a hiberfil.sys file in the root of your OS directory, which, for most, is the C drive.

Also, to get Hibernate to show up in the power menu, it is necessary to use the JAWS cursor, when in Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do. The JAWS cursor will show if Hibernate is checked or unchecked. If you want it checked, if in Desktop keyboard layout, you would use the slash on the number pad, which is Left Mouse Click, on the word Hibernate. If in Laptop Keyboard Layoub, Left Mouse click is, CAPS LOCK+8, on the numbers row.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

I don't have hybernate disabled, at least so far as I know.

If you can tell me where to find it, I'll check.

For your and everyone's information, I just shut down and re-booted my computer twice, and now, Jaws seems to be coming up a bit more quickly and consistently.

Not sure why that would be, but I'll take it as some sort of progress.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead, is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540 laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not, navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended) checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

I don't have hybernate disabled, at least so far as I know.

If you can tell me where to find it, I'll check.

For your and everyone's information, I just shut down and re-booted my computer twice, and now, Jaws seems to be coming up a bit more quickly and consistently.

Not sure why that would be, but I'll take it as some sort of progress.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead, is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540 laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not, navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended) checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill White
 

Hi, Soronel. Just because you don't see hybernate in your shutdown menu, doesn't mean that hybernate is disabled. There is a way to remove items from your shutdown menu. You will see this in Power Options>Choose What the Power Buttons Do. You will know it because it will say, Show in power menu. Here you can remove hybernate, without actually disabling the ability to hybernate. However, since Fast Startup doesn't appear in your Power Options, hybernate is most likely disabled.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Okay, yeah, my "shutdown or sign out" menu has sleep and shut down but
not hibernate. Don't remember doing this, my startup seems plenty fast
(about five sec if not doing an update).

On 10/28/21, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast
Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings
that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then
scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast
startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens
when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast
startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press
ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with
Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have
had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead,
is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540
laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the
windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the
Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate
the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that
you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not,
navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to
Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of
the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently
unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended)
checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.

























--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Soronel Haetir
 

Okay, yeah, my "shutdown or sign out" menu has sleep and shut down but
not hibernate. Don't remember doing this, my startup seems plenty fast
(about five sec if not doing an update).

On 10/28/21, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast
Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings
that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then
scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast
startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens
when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast
startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press
ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with
Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have
had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead,
is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540
laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the
windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the
Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate
the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that
you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not,
navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to
Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of
the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently
unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended)
checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.
























--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. Do you already have hybernate disabled? If so, you won't find Fast Startup under Power Options>Choose What The Power Buttons Do>Change Settings that are Currently Unavailable.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Bill:

Once I get to "change settings that are currently unavailable,, and then scroll down to shutdown, I find no options to uncheck relating to fast startup. I get a bunch of options rgarding the sleep settings, what happens when closing the laptop lid, ect., but again, nothing pertaining to fast startup.

This also was verified by sighted assistance.

Tom Behler




-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hi, Tom. Try the following,

1. Open the "run" dialog, and in the dialog box, type control panel 2. Press ENTER.
3. Press the letter P until you hear Power Options, and continue with Sieghard's instructions.

Incidentally, apparently you are having the same problem as others here have had, where search is not displaying what is on your computer, and instead, is taking you directly to web entries.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

Hello, everyone.

I'm having trouble turning off fast startup on the Dell Lattitude E6540 laptop computer I just updated to Windows 10.

When I type control panel into the Windows search box, accessed by the windows key, I seem to get internet links and get put automatically into the Microsoft Edge browser, rather than actual control panel options.

I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Here are instructions posted a few days ago by Siegard Weitzel.

If Sieghard or someone can give me further guidance, I'd really appreciate the assistance.

Thank you!

Tom Behler

Turn Off Win10 Fast Startup

1. Open Control Panel then select Power Options. This is presuming that you’re using the classic “Small Icons” view in Control Panel. If not, navigate to the “View by” control and select “Small Icons,” then navigate to Power Options.
2. Activate the Choose what the power button does link on the left side of the dialog.
3. In the dialog just opened, activate Change settings that are currently unavailable link.
4. Scroll down to the Shutdown settings section.
5. Remove the check mark from the Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended) checkbox.
6. Select the Save Changes Button.


moderated Re: Having Trouble Turning Fast Startup Off In Windows 10

 

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 05:34 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
But even after activating the "Change settings that are currently
unavailable " link I do not have a shutdown section or anything about
fast startup, (at least not that is in the tab order).
-
As Bill has previously noted, if the hibernate function has been disabled then Fast Startup will not show up, because it relies on the hibernate function.

And if it doesn't show up, then it's definitely not on.

I believe you've already done what's in my tutorial, but I'm putting it there for others; Turn Off Windows 10 Fast Startup
And if hibernate has been disabled, then Fast Startup will not appear.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

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