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moderated Re: will the new Jaws 2022 work on a windows 7 computer

Loy
 

If you have a annual home license for JAWS, you can use any version you wish, but just for the time limit of your subscription.

----- Original Message -----
From: "G. Gray" <geogray@...>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 5:15 PM
Subject: will the new Jaws 2022 work on a windows 7 computer


Hello List-


Thanks for the input. I do have the SMA...not the yearly license. I'll just keep using what I got which works great...but thanks a bunch!!!!


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moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Curtis Delzer
 

no.

On 10/27/2021 11:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
If you continue to pay your subscription I doubt it will quit working.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

When the year runs out, it quits working.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


Why do you say FS doesn't allow people to use the subscription license on
their old system? Can you not run Jaws 2021 with a subscription license on a
Windows 7 computer?
I am pretty sure you can and I think what you object to is the fact that you
would be paying for the license without the benefit of being able to run the
latest version of Jaws on an old Windows 7 computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

They don't need to support it, they've been there, done that.
Now they just need to let people use their screenreader on the old system.
But there's always the Jaws hack out there for anyone wanting to use Jaws on
their windows 7 or 8.
So FS not allowing folks to use the yearly subscription version on their old
windows is inviting people to discover the Jaws hack, which will run for
free, the only thing it does not do is jaws tandem.
FS did something similar, back in the old days of Open Book, they provided a
free slim version of Jaws called Connect Outloud.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


What is perfectly fine about a version of Windows which is no longer
supported even with security updates? You could then say as well that
Windows XP or Windows 98 was a perfectly fine version of Windows.
When it comes to operating systems and other software there comes a time
when you just have to move on. I would say now that Windows 11 has already
been released, Windows 10 has been available for 6 years and it's coming up
to 2 years in January since Windows 7 stopped getting updates that time has
come and I don't blame Jaws that they stopped supporting Windows 7, there
are probably reasons for it beyond them having a chuckle and saying "let's
screw all the remaining Windows 7 users".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 7:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

So if you have only the yearly subscription, you are screwed as far as Jaws
goes, because if you want to use a perfectly fine windows, your yearly
subscription will stop working, and you cannot just get a new yearly
subscription for your older windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


No, It won't work as FS announced. check the link:
https://support.freedomscientific.com/About/News/Article/216

On 10/27/21, G. Gray <geogray@...> wrote:
Hi Listers-


I see the new version of Jaws is available....2022.01Â I understand this
will NOT work on Windows 7...is this true? I do not want to download
and install if it will cause problems...thanks!!!


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moderated Re: JAWS 2021: Focus Issues in Winamp's Playlist Window

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Alt F, then down arrow and uncheck everything except the Playlist Editor. That should do it.

All the best

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nermin via groups.io
Sent: 27 October 2021 22:11
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2021: Focus Issues in Winamp's Playlist Window

Hi all,


I am experiencing focus issues in Winamp after using the software for longer than 10 minutes or so.

A friend of mine is having the same issue with her device.

We're both on the most recent version of Windows 10 64 bit.

JAWS 2021 is unable to read out the tracks in a playlist using the cursor keys. However, NVDA and any JAWS version prior to 2021 and the latest 2022 are exhibiting the same odd behaviour.


Is there anything we can do to fix this?

I'd even try configuring scripts if I know where to look, or tweaking Winamp's own settings for better performance.


Regards,

Nermin


moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Bill,

We don't have the annual subs in the UK, so I can't comment, but it is simply controlled by an activation key, so I bet it would work with older versions of JAWS.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 27 October 2021 22:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Hi, Steve and list. Since the discussion has started on this list about whether or not Vispero will continue to sell annual licenses for JAWS 2021, which are backward compatible, now that JAWS 2022 has been released, I wrote the following letter to Eric Damery, Product Manager for JAWS with Vispero. I am awaiting his response, and will post it when, and if, I receive one.

Hello, Eric. I am subscribed to a group list on the Internet. A discussion has come up, and I would like clarification if Vispero will continue to sell renewed annual subscription licenses for JAWS 2021, now that JAWS 2022 is no longer compatible with Windows 7.

Many people still use Windows 7, and cannot upgrade to JAWS 2022. If JAWS annual subscription licenses are not backward compatible, so that Windows 7 users can continue to by annual licenses for JAWS 2021, until they can upgrade to Windows 10, this will force people to,

1. Give up JAWS for another screen reader, or, 2. Shell out a lot of money to buy a new computer system that is compatible with Windows 10, or Windows 11.

If people had enough money to pay for a new computer, they probably wouldn't have a problem buying JAWS. So, will Vispero continue to sell annual subscriptions for the older version (2021) of JAWS, or, when their year runs out, will they be forced to switch to another screen reader?

Thank you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 6:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

In the What's New it says that Windows 7 and 8 support has ended for JAWS, so 2022 won't run on Windows 7.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of G. Gray
Sent: 27 October 2021 10:44
To: JFW list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Hi Listers-


I see the new version of Jaws is available....2022.01 I understand this will NOT work on Windows 7...is this true? I do not want to download and install if it will cause problems...thanks!!!


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moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Steve Nutt
 

I have a machine that goes back to 2012 that runs Windows 10 fine, so there is no reason not to upgrade.

 

All the best


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 27 October 2021 18:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

 

And on top of that I have yet to see a computer with Windows 7 which can't run Windows 10 just as well, I have Windows 10 on my 8-year old laptop which we still use occasionally at my store if we need something we can move around and it runs just as good on it as Windows 7 did.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: October 27, 2021 10:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

 

Hi,
I agree with everything said here.
There are countless resources available to get started using the newer windows versions. Windows versions that are no longer getting security updates should not be used on a daily basis - this is simply asking for all kinds of problems and you are risking any information that is on said machine, among a good number of programs and applications no longer supporting your, at this point, 11 year old operating system. Checking email, banking, even general, basic web browsing means that you are going to use a more outdated web browser and email client every day. 
Perfectly good means secure, receiving regular updates pertaining to security fixes and patches. Perfectly good means compatibility with the applications you use on a daily basis, along with their updates which in and of themselves contain security fixes, bug fixes and improvements. Perfectly good means a user can feel safe, comfortable and secure using their operating system and the files therein. Perfectly good does not mean an operating system which, day by day, will become less and less secure - in an age where that is already being taken seriously on systems that are fully up to date. Windows 7 is 2 years on from being officially supported and updated. It is time to move on, and I thank freedom scientific for doing just that, which will bring more inevation and compatibility with things here and now, like Windows 11.

Tyler


moderated Re: next door question

Steve Nutt
 

But have either of you contacted them? If not, how can you say whether they are interested or not?

 

All the best


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Sheinbein
Sent: 27 October 2021 15:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: next door question

 

I agree with you.  I am not sure accessibility is of much interest to them.  Sad face.

 

Barbara

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 10:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: next door question

 

Am I the only one who has noticed that Next Door has become more and more inaccessible. I used to be able to go to the home page, find a link for posting a message, pick the category etc. Now none of the combo boxes work for the purposes of picking your category so it won’t go through. Going to the help section and filling out a contact form is the same thing; none of the combo boxes work to choose topics. Has anyone had any success with this, posting a message etc? Using win 10 and jaws 19. Judy & Libby


moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Since Microsoft themselves ended support for Windows 7 in January 2020, this
is not unreasonable.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-7-support-ended-on-janua
ry-14-2020-b75d4580-2cc7-895a-2c9c-1466d9a53962#:~:text=Microsoft%20made%20a
%20commitment%20to,released%20on%20October%2022%2C%202009.&text=The%20specif
ic%20end%20of%20support,7%20was%20January%2014%2C%202020.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 27 October 2021 15:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

So if you have only the yearly subscription, you are screwed as far as Jaws
goes, because if you want to use a perfectly fine windows, your yearly
subscription will stop working, and you cannot just get a new yearly
subscription for your older windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


No, It won't work as FS announced. check the link:
https://support.freedomscientific.com/About/News/Article/216

On 10/27/21, G. Gray <geogray@...> wrote:
Hi Listers-


I see the new version of Jaws is available....2022.01Â I understand this
will NOT work on Windows 7...is this true? I do not want to download
and install if it will cause problems...thanks!!!


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moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Pat Byrne
 

Jim,
Please renew your meds.
Pat ByrneAt 04:23 PM 10/27/2021, you wrote:

Another fucking lie! I am so fucking done with the blind community. All yo people do is make shit up and proclaim it as truth. You don’t need to remove me from this group I will do it myself.
You are all disrespect to the blind community, I am ashamed to be blind and associated with you.


On Oct 27, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:

When the year runs out, it quits working.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


Why do you say FS doesn't allow people to use
the subscription license on their old system? Can you not run Jaws 2021 with a subscription license on a Windows 7 computer?
I am pretty sure you can and I think what you
object to is the fact that you would be paying for the license without the benefit of being able to run the latest version of Jaws on an old Windows 7 computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

They don't need to support it, they've been there, done that.
Now they just need to let people use their screenreader on the old system.
But there's always the Jaws hack out there
for anyone wanting to use Jaws on their windows 7 or 8.
So FS not allowing folks to use the yearly
subscription version on their old windows is inviting people to discover the Jaws hack, which will run for free, the only thing it does not do is jaws tandem.
FS did something similar, back in the old
days of Open Book, they provided a free slim version of Jaws called Connect Outloud.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


What is perfectly fine about a version of Windows which is no longer
supported even with security updates? You could then say as well that
Windows XP or Windows 98 was a perfectly fine version of Windows.
When it comes to operating systems and other software there comes a time
when you just have to move on. I would say now that Windows 11 has already
been released, Windows 10 has been available for 6 years and it's coming up
to 2 years in January since Windows 7 stopped getting updates that time has
come and I don't blame Jaws that they stopped supporting Windows 7, there
are probably reasons for it beyond them having a chuckle and saying "let's
screw all the remaining Windows 7 users".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 7:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

So if you have only the yearly subscription, you are screwed as far as Jaws
goes, because if you want to use a perfectly fine windows, your yearly
subscription will stop working, and you cannot just get a new yearly
subscription for your older windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


No, It won't work as FS announced. check the link:
https://support.freedomscientific.com/About/News/Article/216

On 10/27/21, G. Gray <geogray@...> wrote:
Hi Listers-


I see the new version of Jaws is available....2022.01Â I understand this
will NOT work on Windows 7...is this true? I do not want to download
and install if it will cause problems...thanks!!!


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1 Thessalonians 4:16-18






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moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Glenn / Lenny
 

wow,
Somebody has coping issues.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Weiss via groups.io" <jimweiss72@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


Another fucking lie! I am so fucking done with the blind community. All yo people do is make shit up and proclaim it as truth. You donâ?Tt need to remove me from this group I will do it myself.
You are all disrespect to the blind community, I am ashamed to be blind and associated with you.


On Oct 27, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:

When the year runs out, it quits working.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


Why do you say FS doesn't allow people to use the subscription license on their old system? Can you not run Jaws 2021 with a subscription license on a Windows 7 computer?
I am pretty sure you can and I think what you object to is the fact that you would be paying for the license without the benefit of being able to run the latest version of Jaws on an old Windows 7 computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

They don't need to support it, they've been there, done that.
Now they just need to let people use their screenreader on the old system.
But there's always the Jaws hack out there for anyone wanting to use Jaws on their windows 7 or 8.
So FS not allowing folks to use the yearly subscription version on their old windows is inviting people to discover the Jaws hack, which will run for free, the only thing it does not do is jaws tandem.
FS did something similar, back in the old days of Open Book, they provided a free slim version of Jaws called Connect Outloud.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


What is perfectly fine about a version of Windows which is no longer
supported even with security updates? You could then say as well that
Windows XP or Windows 98 was a perfectly fine version of Windows.
When it comes to operating systems and other software there comes a time
when you just have to move on. I would say now that Windows 11 has already
been released, Windows 10 has been available for 6 years and it's coming up
to 2 years in January since Windows 7 stopped getting updates that time has
come and I don't blame Jaws that they stopped supporting Windows 7, there
are probably reasons for it beyond them having a chuckle and saying "let's
screw all the remaining Windows 7 users".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 7:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

So if you have only the yearly subscription, you are screwed as far as Jaws
goes, because if you want to use a perfectly fine windows, your yearly
subscription will stop working, and you cannot just get a new yearly
subscription for your older windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


No, It won't work as FS announced. check the link:
https://support.freedomscientific.com/About/News/Article/216

On 10/27/21, G. Gray <geogray@...> wrote:
Hi Listers-


I see the new version of Jaws is available....2022.01Ã, I understand this
will NOT work on Windows 7...is this true?Ã, I do not want to download
and install if it will cause problems...thanks!!!


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1 Thessalonians 4:16-18






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moderated Re: JAWS 2021: Focus Issues in Winamp's Playlist Window

Bill White
 

Hello, Nermin. I also use Winamp with Windows 10, and JAWS 2022. I am using Winamp, version 5.66. Version 5.66 works fine on the latest builds of JAWS and Windows 10, as long as you ALT plus TAB a couple of times, back to the Winamp main window. This is because, when you click on a file or files to play them in Winamp, your focus remains in the files list window. Try the following,

1. Select the files you wish to play in Winamp, and press ENTER.
2. Once audio content begins playing, ALT plus TAB to the main Winamp window.
3. Press Space to stop the play of content. This will not work the first time you ALT plus TAB to the main Winamp window.
4. ALT plus TAB back to the main Winamp window, and try pressing Space again. This time it should pause the play of audio content.

Another thing I have found with Winamp is that, after a while, even when focused in the Winamp main window, when pressing B or Z, JAWS will not read out the track currently in focus. The work around I found for this is to press CONTROL plus A, to toggle always On Top Mode. After toggling Always On Top mode a couple of times, the tracks begin to read out again in JAWS.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nermin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 2:11 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2021: Focus Issues in Winamp's Playlist Window

Hi all,


I am experiencing focus issues in Winamp after using the software for
longer than 10 minutes or so.

A friend of mine is having the same issue with her device.

We're both on the most recent version of Windows 10 64 bit.

JAWS 2021 is unable to read out the tracks in a playlist using the
cursor keys. However, NVDA and any JAWS version prior to 2021 and the
latest 2022 are exhibiting the same odd behaviour.


Is there anything we can do to fix this?

I'd even try configuring scripts if I know where to look, or tweaking
Winamp's own settings for better performance.


Regards,

Nermin


moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
 

Another fucking lie! I am so fucking done with the blind community. All yo people do is make shit up and proclaim it as truth. You don’t need to remove me from this group I will do it myself.
You are all disrespect to the blind community, I am ashamed to be blind and associated with you.

On Oct 27, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:

When the year runs out, it quits working.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


Why do you say FS doesn't allow people to use the subscription license on their old system? Can you not run Jaws 2021 with a subscription license on a Windows 7 computer?
I am pretty sure you can and I think what you object to is the fact that you would be paying for the license without the benefit of being able to run the latest version of Jaws on an old Windows 7 computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

They don't need to support it, they've been there, done that.
Now they just need to let people use their screenreader on the old system.
But there's always the Jaws hack out there for anyone wanting to use Jaws on their windows 7 or 8.
So FS not allowing folks to use the yearly subscription version on their old windows is inviting people to discover the Jaws hack, which will run for free, the only thing it does not do is jaws tandem.
FS did something similar, back in the old days of Open Book, they provided a free slim version of Jaws called Connect Outloud.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


What is perfectly fine about a version of Windows which is no longer
supported even with security updates? You could then say as well that
Windows XP or Windows 98 was a perfectly fine version of Windows.
When it comes to operating systems and other software there comes a time
when you just have to move on. I would say now that Windows 11 has already
been released, Windows 10 has been available for 6 years and it's coming up
to 2 years in January since Windows 7 stopped getting updates that time has
come and I don't blame Jaws that they stopped supporting Windows 7, there
are probably reasons for it beyond them having a chuckle and saying "let's
screw all the remaining Windows 7 users".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 7:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

So if you have only the yearly subscription, you are screwed as far as Jaws
goes, because if you want to use a perfectly fine windows, your yearly
subscription will stop working, and you cannot just get a new yearly
subscription for your older windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


No, It won't work as FS announced. check the link:
https://support.freedomscientific.com/About/News/Article/216

On 10/27/21, G. Gray <geogray@...> wrote:
Hi Listers-


I see the new version of Jaws is available....2022.01Â I understand this
will NOT work on Windows 7...is this true? I do not want to download
and install if it will cause problems...thanks!!!


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moderated will the new Jaws 2022 work on a windows 7 computer

G. Gray
 

Hello List-


Thanks for the input.  I do have the SMA...not the yearly license.  I'll just keep using what I got which works great...but thanks a bunch!!!!


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moderated JAWS 2021: Focus Issues in Winamp's Playlist Window

Nermin
 

Hi all,


I am experiencing focus issues in Winamp after using the software for longer than 10 minutes or so.

A friend of mine is having the same issue with her device.

We're both on the most recent version of Windows 10 64 bit.

JAWS 2021 is unable to read out the tracks in a playlist using the cursor keys. However, NVDA and any JAWS version prior to 2021 and the latest 2022 are exhibiting the same odd behaviour.


Is there anything we can do to fix this?

I'd even try configuring scripts if I know where to look, or tweaking Winamp's own settings for better performance.


Regards,

Nermin


moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Bill White
 

Hi, Steve and list. Since the discussion has started on this list about whether or not Vispero will continue to sell annual licenses for JAWS 2021, which are backward compatible, now that JAWS 2022 has been released, I wrote the following letter to Eric Damery, Product Manager for JAWS with Vispero. I am awaiting his response, and will post it when, and if, I receive one.

Hello, Eric. I am subscribed to a group list on the Internet. A discussion has come up, and I would like clarification if Vispero will continue to sell renewed annual subscription licenses for JAWS 2021, now that JAWS 2022 is no longer compatible with Windows 7.

Many people still use Windows 7, and cannot upgrade to JAWS 2022. If JAWS annual subscription licenses are not backward compatible, so that Windows 7 users can continue to by annual licenses for JAWS 2021, until they can upgrade to Windows 10, this will force people to,

1. Give up JAWS for another screen reader, or,
2. Shell out a lot of money to buy a new computer system that is compatible with Windows 10, or Windows 11.

If people had enough money to pay for a new computer, they probably wouldn't have a problem buying JAWS. So, will Vispero continue to sell annual subscriptions for the older version (2021) of JAWS, or, when their year runs out, will they be forced to switch to another screen reader?

Thank you.

Bill White

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 6:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

In the What's New it says that Windows 7 and 8 support has ended for JAWS, so 2022 won't run on Windows 7.

All the best

Steve

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of G. Gray
Sent: 27 October 2021 10:44
To: JFW list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Hi Listers-


I see the new version of Jaws is available....2022.01 I understand this will NOT work on Windows 7...is this true? I do not want to download and install if it will cause problems...thanks!!!


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moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Feliciano G
 

Glen,
If one has the annual subscription of JAWS and have a Windows 7 computer, they are not forced to upgrade to JAWS 2022 as it is not supported. As long as one pays for the subscription they can decide to upgrade to JAWS 2022 or stay with JAWS 2021 as that will continue to support older Windows operating systems.

Feliciano

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

I believe that you have to pay a subscription for a newer version, I don't think from information gathered from this and other lists, that one can keep paying a subscription for an old version.
If this is incorrect, then all is good.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


If you continue to pay your subscription I doubt it will quit working.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

When the year runs out, it quits working.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


Why do you say FS doesn't allow people to use the subscription license on
their old system? Can you not run Jaws 2021 with a subscription license on a
Windows 7 computer?
I am pretty sure you can and I think what you object to is the fact that you
would be paying for the license without the benefit of being able to run the
latest version of Jaws on an old Windows 7 computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

They don't need to support it, they've been there, done that.
Now they just need to let people use their screenreader on the old system.
But there's always the Jaws hack out there for anyone wanting to use Jaws on
their windows 7 or 8.
So FS not allowing folks to use the yearly subscription version on their old
windows is inviting people to discover the Jaws hack, which will run for
free, the only thing it does not do is jaws tandem.
FS did something similar, back in the old days of Open Book, they provided a
free slim version of Jaws called Connect Outloud.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


What is perfectly fine about a version of Windows which is no longer
supported even with security updates? You could then say as well that
Windows XP or Windows 98 was a perfectly fine version of Windows.
When it comes to operating systems and other software there comes a time
when you just have to move on. I would say now that Windows 11 has already
been released, Windows 10 has been available for 6 years and it's coming up
to 2 years in January since Windows 7 stopped getting updates that time has
come and I don't blame Jaws that they stopped supporting Windows 7, there
are probably reasons for it beyond them having a chuckle and saying "let's
screw all the remaining Windows 7 users".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 7:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

So if you have only the yearly subscription, you are screwed as far as Jaws
goes, because if you want to use a perfectly fine windows, your yearly
subscription will stop working, and you cannot just get a new yearly
subscription for your older windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


No, It won't work as FS announced. check the link:
https://support.freedomscientific.com/About/News/Article/216

On 10/27/21, G. Gray <geogray@...> wrote:
Hi Listers-


I see the new version of Jaws is available....2022.01Â I understand this
will NOT work on Windows 7...is this true? I do not want to download
and install if it will cause problems...thanks!!!


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moderated Re: JFW 2022 and alt+tab

Curtis Chong
 

Jason:

 

Good luck. I hope the solution to this can be found.

 

Warmly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JFW 2022 and alt+tab

 

Yes, same keystroke combo I’ve used for years to do this. I use JFW 2022 professional on a windows 10 laptop.

 

Only change is updating to JFW 2022 from JFW 2021.

 

Going to call tech support.

 

Thanks,

Jason

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JFW 2022 and alt+tab

 


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Greetings:

 

Are you holding down the Alt key when cycling through the windows? It is working for me on my Windows 10 system with JAWS 2022. Hold down alt and press tab repeatedly.

 

With warm regards,

 

Curtis Chong

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JFW 2022 and alt+tab

 

Hi all,

When I alt+tab it just toggles me back and forth between the same 2 windows. If I want it to rotate through the open windows I have to use alt+shift+tab.  I seem to recall this feature was modified in an earlier version of JFW, but I can’t recall how to change it back.

 

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moderated Re: JFW 2022 and alt+tab

Boston, Jason W
 

Yes, same keystroke combo I’ve used for years to do this. I use JFW 2022 professional on a windows 10 laptop.

 

Only change is updating to JFW 2022 from JFW 2021.

 

Going to call tech support.

 

Thanks,

Jason

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JFW 2022 and alt+tab

 


IMPORTANT!! - External Content - Please use caution.

Greetings:

 

Are you holding down the Alt key when cycling through the windows? It is working for me on my Windows 10 system with JAWS 2022. Hold down alt and press tab repeatedly.

 

With warm regards,

 

Curtis Chong

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JFW 2022 and alt+tab

 

Hi all,

When I alt+tab it just toggles me back and forth between the same 2 windows. If I want it to rotate through the open windows I have to use alt+shift+tab.  I seem to recall this feature was modified in an earlier version of JFW, but I can’t recall how to change it back.

 

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moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Nermin
 

Hi,


Qwhat OS you're running should not really matter in terms of annual subscriptions.

Once the year is over, the subscription also elapses, whether you're using the last supported version for that particular OS, or one from two years before.


Regards,

Nermin


moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

 

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 01:07 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Perfectly good does not mean an operating system which, day by day, will become less and less secure - in an age where that is already being taken seriously on systems that are fully up to date. Windows 7 is 2 years on from being officially supported and updated. It is time to move on,
-
Yup.

And in regard to Sieghard's observation, I've seen many machines that started out with Windows 7 actually run better with Windows 10.  There were some significant "under the hood" optimizations that can exploit hardware features that Windows 7 didn't, as well as optimizing certain Windows code to be more efficient.

In my tech support business, I will not even support someone using an out-of-support version of Windows as a "daily driver in contact with cyberspace."  They upgrade, or they find another tech.  There are cases where, for Windows XP machines that have long-out-of-maintenance programs that run only under XP, and that are used to control other equipment that often cost hundreds of thousands of dollars when new, and costs even more now, that I will support.  But even those must be completely disconnected from the internet.

You can still do a no cost update from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and, at this point, should have already done it years ago.  It is the only thing that makes sense, whether you like that idea or not.  And no IT professional will tell you anything other than that (nor will most end users who are paying any attention to security issues).
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moderated Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

Glenn / Lenny
 

I believe that you have to pay a subscription for a newer version, I don't think from information gathered from this and other lists, that one can keep paying a subscription for an old version.
If this is incorrect, then all is good.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


If you continue to pay your subscription I doubt it will quit working.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

When the year runs out, it quits working.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


Why do you say FS doesn't allow people to use the subscription license on
their old system? Can you not run Jaws 2021 with a subscription license on a
Windows 7 computer?
I am pretty sure you can and I think what you object to is the fact that you
would be paying for the license without the benefit of being able to run the
latest version of Jaws on an old Windows 7 computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

They don't need to support it, they've been there, done that.
Now they just need to let people use their screenreader on the old system.
But there's always the Jaws hack out there for anyone wanting to use Jaws on
their windows 7 or 8.
So FS not allowing folks to use the yearly subscription version on their old
windows is inviting people to discover the Jaws hack, which will run for
free, the only thing it does not do is jaws tandem.
FS did something similar, back in the old days of Open Book, they provided a
free slim version of Jaws called Connect Outloud.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


What is perfectly fine about a version of Windows which is no longer
supported even with security updates? You could then say as well that
Windows XP or Windows 98 was a perfectly fine version of Windows.
When it comes to operating systems and other software there comes a time
when you just have to move on. I would say now that Windows 11 has already
been released, Windows 10 has been available for 6 years and it's coming up
to 2 years in January since Windows 7 stopped getting updates that time has
come and I don't blame Jaws that they stopped supporting Windows 7, there
are probably reasons for it beyond them having a chuckle and saying "let's
screw all the remaining Windows 7 users".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 27, 2021 7:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7

So if you have only the yearly subscription, you are screwed as far as Jaws
goes, because if you want to use a perfectly fine windows, your yearly
subscription will stop working, and you cannot just get a new yearly
subscription for your older windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: will the new jaws version work on windows 7


No, It won't work as FS announced. check the link:
https://support.freedomscientific.com/About/News/Article/216

On 10/27/21, G. Gray <geogray@...> wrote:
Hi Listers-


I see the new version of Jaws is available....2022.01Â I understand this
will NOT work on Windows 7...is this true? I do not want to download
and install if it will cause problems...thanks!!!


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