Hey Michael…

This may not be a permanent solution for you, but I wonder if it’ll work. I personally like these kidns o commands and their decisive nature and quick results, but you may prefer to shutdown throught eh gui.

Try this. Make sure everything you need is saved before this because you will get no warning.

Open the run dialogue box with windows key + r

Type in the following, without quotes:

“shutdown /s /f /t 0”

Your machine should shut down almost instantly. If it doesn’t, yaeh, something is definitely amiss.

----- Original Message -----

From: Madison Martin

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 8:06 PM

Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Glad to know, however I know that Windows 10 eventually won’t be supported anymore and then I’ll have to upgrade so I figure I might as well do it once I get it. Is there any way to find out when my PC might get it?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Leo
Sent: October 15, 2021 1:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hey guys, this message is particularly for those who are quite anxious to run Windows 11 in your computers. You are not missing absolutely anything.

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

He seems to think the world will end if he can't run Windows 11. You are of course entirely correct, installing Windows 11 by some sort of hack is probably the worst thing you can do and there is absolutely no reason for it. I still hear of things like File Explorer being fairly sluggish with all screenreaders in Windows 11 and while I am also curious about Windows 11, I am in no particular hurry and have a feeling that once I do maybe install it on the one computer I currently own which says it can run it I will be underwhelmed and find that on a day-to-day bases it will make little difference.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: October 15, 2021 5:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Why would you want to install an unsupported operating system?  My understanding is that if you do, you may not get security updates.  I'd install the latest version of windows 10 and be content, even if you really want 11, you probably don't want it for the first six months, unless you like  using your computer for a door stop instead of a computer.  Leave the first little while to those with spare computers.

CH

On 10/14/2021 22:31, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Hi. My processor I 3  7020 u processor not supported. And some one was saying they are getting updates for now. Should I install windows 11 now on my current system. Got the pc health check and only thing not supported my processor. Have not got 21 h 2 for windows 10, but not much. And Microsoft will  their efforsts on windows 11, not windows 10. From I read. So have everything backed up to my external drive. Do I just install the iso, manually, or can I do this over the top of use the media creation tool.

Got jaws 2022 beta 2 on my laptop testing.

And nvda 2021.2. any thoughts.

What would you do. Looking to purchase a new laptop in the next three to four months, December or January probably early December or maybe mid December, as mid  going in for my  ioedene treatment and they have to then clean and take away my laptop when I come out after three days. And so looking to purchase a new asuss, with a faster  16 gb ram, 1 to 2 tb ssd drive, audio jack, great audio, 15 inch screen.

Thanks.processor,radioactive January .concentrate 7

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Al Sorrentino via groups.io

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: OT Flip Phone

Hi Glenn,

 

I forgot to mention in my last e-mail to you, that this LG flip phone is about $30.00.  Of all the inexpensive cell phones with buttons that I’ve seen this is well-built and works very well.  The sound quality is GREAT!!!

 

Al Sorrentino

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT Flip Phone

 

I'll check it out, thanks Al.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Al Sorrentino via groups.io

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: OT Flip Phone

 

Hi Glenn,

 

I’m very sorry for not replying to your inquiry sooner.  Since you are interested in a flip phone, if you can look at the LG Classic L 125 DL, I’m sure you would like it.  If you need a 5G phone this is not the one.  It’s just a 4G version.  I don’t know if LG has come out with a 5G version of this flip phone. 

 

Hope this helps?

 

Al Sorrentino

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT Flip Phone

 

Hi, since this is OT, please respond just to me instead of the list if you can.

I have a Kyrosera flip phone, and I want to get a new flip phone.

I'm using Verizon, but I may switch if Verizon does not have a good phone.

The voice on mine sucks and it makes it hard to use.

Thanks for any recommendations.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Al Sorrentino via groups.io

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: OT Flip Phone

 

Hi Glenn,

 

I’m very sorry for not replying to your inquiry sooner.  Since you are interested in a flip phone, if you can look at the LG Classic L 125 DL, I’m sure you would like it.  If you need a 5G phone this is not the one.  It’s just a 4G version.  I don’t know if LG has come out with a 5G version of this flip phone. 

 

Hope this helps?

 

Al Sorrentino

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT Flip Phone

 

Hi, since this is OT, please respond just to me instead of the list if you can.

I have a Kyrosera flip phone, and I want to get a new flip phone.

I'm using Verizon, but I may switch if Verizon does not have a good phone.

The voice on mine sucks and it makes it hard to use.

Thanks for any recommendations.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Al Sorrentino via groups.io

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: OT Flip Phone

Hi Glenn,

 

I’m very sorry for not replying to your inquiry sooner.  Since you are interested in a flip phone, if you can look at the LG Classic L 125 DL, I’m sure you would like it.  If you need a 5G phone this is not the one.  It’s just a 4G version.  I don’t know if LG has come out with a 5G version of this flip phone. 

 

Hope this helps?

 

Al Sorrentino

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT Flip Phone

 

Hi, since this is OT, please respond just to me instead of the list if you can.

I have a Kyrosera flip phone, and I want to get a new flip phone.

I'm using Verizon, but I may switch if Verizon does not have a good phone.

The voice on mine sucks and it makes it hard to use.

Thanks for any recommendations.

Glenn

Thanks – I always forget about the pass through keystroke

I did it and now will have the next person who walks in my door look at it and see if I am still sideways!

Barbara

Hi, Barbara. Before attempting to press ALT plus CONTROL plus Up Arrow, try pressing the "passthrough" command in JAWS, which is JAWS key plus three on the numbers row, not the NumPad. Then after pressing the passthrough command, then try ALT plus CONTROL plus Up Arrow, and see if your screen rotates right-side up.

Hi-

Periodically I mistakenly hit some combination of keystrokes that turns my screen sideways (landscape).  When I searched for keystroke to change it to portrait, what I got was alt-ctrl-arrow – but the problem is that is a JAWS command for tables and  when I do it, JAWS keeps telling me that I am not in a table (which I obviously know. 

Any suggestions? Having a sideways screen is a problem  when I am on a Zoom and also when I ask someone to help me with something on my computer.

Thanks,

Barbara

Hi-

Periodically I mistakenly hit some combination of keystrokes that turns my screen sideways (landscape).  When I searched for keystroke to change it to portrait, what I got was alt-ctrl-arrow – but the problem is that is a JAWS command for tables and  when I do it, JAWS keeps telling me that I am not in a table (which I obviously know. 

Any suggestions? Having a sideways screen is a problem  when I am on a Zoom and also when I ask someone to help me with something on my computer.

Thanks,

Barbara

Hi, Barbara. Before attempting to press ALT plus CONTROL plus Up Arrow, try pressing the "passthrough" command in JAWS, which is JAWS key plus three on the numbers row, not the NumPad. Then after pressing the passthrough command, then try ALT plus CONTROL plus Up Arrow, and see if your screen rotates right-side up.

Hi-

Periodically I mistakenly hit some combination of keystrokes that turns my screen sideways (landscape).  When I searched for keystroke to change it to portrait, what I got was alt-ctrl-arrow – but the problem is that is a JAWS command for tables and  when I do it, JAWS keeps telling me that I am not in a table (which I obviously know. 

Any suggestions? Having a sideways screen is a problem  when I am on a Zoom and also when I ask someone to help me with something on my computer.

Thanks,

Barbara

Hi-

Periodically I mistakenly hit some combination of keystrokes that turns my screen sideways (landscape).  When I searched for keystroke to change it to portrait, what I got was alt-ctrl-arrow – but the problem is that is a JAWS command for tables and  when I do it, JAWS keeps telling me that I am not in a table (which I obviously know. 

Any suggestions? Having a sideways screen is a problem  when I am on a Zoom and also when I ask someone to help me with something on my computer.

Thanks,

Barbara

Hi-

Periodically I mistakenly hit some combination of keystrokes that turns my screen sideways (landscape).  When I searched for keystroke to change it to portrait, what I got was alt-ctrl-arrow – but the problem is that is a JAWS command for tables and  when I do it, JAWS keeps telling me that I am not in a table (which I obviously know. 

Any suggestions? Having a sideways screen is a problem  when I am on a Zoom and also when I ask someone to help me with something on my computer.

Thanks,

Barbara

Good morning everyone, 

Just wanted all of you too know, that I was able too start playing the ACB New York state convention  Stream with VLC media player.  Now, I have some questions regarding there options.  The shortcut options say that if you want too raise the volume, you should press the alt I key.   If you want too lower it says that you should hit the alt key E.  and too mute the playing of the particular stream that you are listening too, hit the alt key M key. I do have audio ducting enable using Jaws 2021 latest version, and am running windows 10.  Could  this be causing any of those combinations keys that I listed above, be the cause of the problem that I’m having?  Or should I call the Microsoft disability answer desk, too uninstall my current version of VLC media player, and install it again?  The thing is, I can’t even get any new updates that might be available. 

Any help or advice about this ongoing issue would be very much appreciated. 

Al  However when I’m trying too hit any of these combinations keys,  I can’t raise the volume, or hit the key combination M key too mute a media stream, none of them seem too work

Hello Takis,

I tried this, and control+alt+f only works for the first footnote.

If I keep writing, and want to addd a second footnote, how is this done?
I checked the Microsoft help, but it mentions the Review Tab and I didn't find anything on Footnotes there.

Thanks,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hi Tom/all,
Yes, word has a shortcut and it's all very useful, perhaps not as handy as that by the old wordperfect. When you type and want to insert a footnote, just press control-alt-f and it will open with the corresponding number. Once you have typed it, just arrow up if it is the first one and you will get yourself back to main text. My suggestion which works is to use alt-home, then alt-end which gets you back to where the note was inserted. If I want to look at a note I usually hit alt-shift-e and read it albeit in a way of preview, but it is quicker than the technique suggested to read it without having to speed that.
Hope this helps,
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Cramer
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:49 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello,
Does anyone know of a good but easy way of using Footnotes in Word with JAWS? I have to write a few things where I'll need to footnote or document my sources, like title and page number.
I don't remember what that looks like from school. Does Word have an area you can use for footnotes, like you do for headers? Does it work using JAWS?
Tom



Hi Dennis,

How's the voice, and does it speak about everything?

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----

From: dennis

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 8:29 AM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

i too prefer the orthodox phone. they are not easy to find. verizon only has 2 the last time i baught one. here is what i have.LG Revere® 3. good luck.

On 10/16/2021 11:30 PM, Angel wrote:

There might, also, be a difference between flip phones, and flip phones with buttons.  There are also people, as am I, who prefer to use phones with orthodox buttons, rather than those with touch screens.  Too often, we blind people, and otherwise challenged people, who forget there might be people who are unable, for whatever reason, to use touch screens.  Are such people second class citizens?

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

That is if this the business run by Laz.

Maybe I'm wrong and Laz has nothing to do with AT Guys, and I was wrong, then if so, please excuse the mistake.

But I still would not buy a phone or other device made for the Blind when there are better options.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Glenn / Lenny

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:04 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi,

I won't do business with those people.

Also, I believe that is that over priced under-powered phone, that is marketed to the Blind, and like all other specialty products for the Blind, it uses out-dated technology at a premium price.

Thank you for responding though, I do appreciate all information that I can look into for a new phone.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Albert Cutolo

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi Glenn, 

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone?  If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at,  AT guies.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

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On Oct 17, 2021, at 01:56, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:

Driver issues are often a problem with difficulty shutting down.
The fan spinning up makes me consider malware.
Have you done a thorough scan for malware, and have you installed anything recently?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Munn " <michaelrbms@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: PC Problem


Thanks a lot and greatly appreciate it. Unfortunately my computer use AMD as it's processor.

Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students, National Federation of Georgia
http://nfbga.org
Member National Association of Blind Students, National Federation of the Blind
http://nfb.org
Student of: Hadley Institute for the Blind
http://hadley.edu

On Oct 17, 2021, at 01:27, Hareth <hareth4m@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
If your computer contains it, this might work,
Go to Device Manager.
Find System Devices then Intel Management Engine Interface.
open its properties. then on Power Management tab.
Uncheck "Allow computer to turn off this device to save power.  then
tab to Ok and press it.
Also if you have an external device plugged in E.G USB stuff or mouse
ETC, unplugg them before shutting down.
TC

On 10/17/21, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com> wrote:

Everything is normal with in my Power settings and Fast Startup is turned
off last time I checked.




[image: JAWS Certified, 2019]
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>

Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the
Blind of Georgia

www.nfbga.org <http://www.nfbv.org>


Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the
Blind

www.nfb.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

www.hadley.edu


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 12:53 AM michael H. Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all, I'm sending this email out because I experienced a problem on my
computer. The problem that I have is that my computer won't turn off
everytime when I use the normal way to shut it down. I did everything I
could to solve this problem but in the end, it was useless. Everytime
when
I attempt to shut down the computer,
it says shutting down on the screen but the fan and the LED light next to
the power button still remain on. When I first experienced this problem I
thought that I packed my laptop with the switch facing down the backpack.
After I realized this, I immediately corrected how I packed my laptop and
the problem still existed. The laptop will get very hot from the fan and
the fan will remain running until the computer battery drains out.
Have you all experienced this problem before? If so, how did you fix it?
I'm using an HP ENVY x360 Convertible 15m-ds0xxxs laptop with Windows10
21H1
(OS Build 19043.1237 and Jaws 2021 latest update.

Please let me know if there is a way to solve this or not.

Thanks

Best regards

Michael H. munn



[image: JAWS Certified, 2019]
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>

Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the
Blind of Georgia

www.nfbga.org <http://www.nfbv.org>


Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the
Blind

www.nfb.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

www.hadley.edu