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Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Glenn / Lenny

#93224

Hi Dennis,

How's the voice, and does it speak about everything?

Thanks.

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From: dennis

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 8:29 AM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

i too prefer the orthodox phone. they are not easy to find. verizon only has 2 the last time i baught one. here is what i have.LG Revere® 3. good luck.

On 10/16/2021 11:30 PM, Angel wrote:

There might, also, be a difference between flip phones, and flip phones with buttons. There are also people, as am I, who prefer to use phones with orthodox buttons, rather than those with touch screens. Too often, we blind people, and otherwise challenged people, who forget there might be people who are unable, for whatever reason, to use touch screens. Are such people second class citizens?

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From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

That is if this the business run by Laz.

Maybe I'm wrong and Laz has nothing to do with AT Guys, and I was wrong, then if so, please excuse the mistake.

But I still would not buy a phone or other device made for the Blind when there are better options.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Glenn / Lenny

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:04 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi,

I won't do business with those people.

Also, I believe that is that over priced under-powered phone, that is marketed to the Blind, and like all other specialty products for the Blind, it uses out-dated technology at a premium price.

Thank you for responding though, I do appreciate all information that I can look into for a new phone.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Albert Cutolo

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi Glenn,

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone? If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at, AT guies.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

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Re: Issue regarding VLC media player.

Glenn / Lenny

#93223

The VLC that I use just uses up and down arrows for volume, and left and right arrows for back and forth in the audio.

Glenn

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----- Original Message -----

From: Albert Cutolo

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 8:25 AM

Subject: Issue regarding VLC media player.

Good morning everyone,

Just wanted all of you too know, that I was able too start playing the ACB New York state convention Stream with VLC media player. Now, I have some questions regarding there options. The shortcut options say that if you want too raise the volume, you should press the alt I key. If you want too lower it says that you should hit the alt key E. and too mute the playing of the particular stream that you are listening too, hit the alt key M key. I do have audio ducting enable using Jaws 2021 latest version, and am running windows 10. Could this be causing any of those combinations keys that I listed above, be the cause of the problem that I’m having? Or should I call the Microsoft disability answer desk, too uninstall my current version of VLC media player, and install it again? The thing is, I can’t even get any new updates that might be available.

Any help or advice about this ongoing issue would be very much appreciated.

Al However when I’m trying too hit any of these combinations keys, I can’t raise the volume, or hit the key combination M key too mute a media stream, none of them seem too work

Re: Viber scripts

Milton Ota

#93222

Hi,

I know of no scripts for JAWS available for this antivirus software. It would help if you originally told us what version of HAWS you are running along with whether you are using Windows 7 or 10.

For me I’m running the public beta of JAWS 2022 and Windows 10 H1..

I’m not having any trouble accessing any of the controls that I need.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sabahudin Tricic
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Viber scripts

Hello,

Yes, those two software’s have similar spelling. What I need is JFW scripts for Viber. Viber is a messaging app, with voice and video calling capabilities. Mobil version is accessible and I am using it on my iphone. However, desktop version is not accessible at all.

Software is very popular in Europe, and all of my friends are using it.

Here is the url:

Viber.com

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Viber scripts

I have Vipre and have not found any trouble navigating its screens. It was recommended by friends as the most accessible antivirus software for the desktop using a screen reader. So, what is your problem and how might I be able to help.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sabahudin Tricic
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Viber scripts

Hello,

Does anybody know where I can find JFW scripts for Viber desktop.

I do not have problems using it on the Iphone, but desktop version is not accessible

Thanks .

Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>

#93221

When I did that, it messed me up.

Obviously, I need to experiment more, but I know now what to do enough to get it working when/if needed.

Arrowing up through all the notes also works to get to the place to continue typing, but I will experiment with control+home Control+end.
Thanks again,

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 8:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Just be aware that, if you have a whole bunch of notes, arrowing up will put you to the previous note, rather than the text, hence I follow the control-home then control-end to reach the last bit past the footnote and continue my work.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 6:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Takis,
You are right.
I was not following the steps exactly for adding the second or third footnote, etc.  I thought I should use control+end to get passed what I had written, but that messes it up.
Just up arrowing back to the text, and hitting enter to start a new paragraph, or just keeping on typing, allows the hotkey to work properly.

Thank you.

I don't know if I will need footnotes anytime soon, but I wanted to make sure I knew how to when the time comes that I want to use them.

Thanks very much,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
- Jane Wagner

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello Richard,
Unfortunately, I have not encountered this issue, as to me the command creates consecutive footnotes, using office 365.
				I am always ready to help, if I can,
				Take care,
			Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello Takis,

I tried this, and control+alt+f only works for the first footnote.

If I keep writing, and want to addd a second footnote, how is this done?
I checked the Microsoft help, but it mentions the Review Tab and I didn't find anything on Footnotes there.

Thanks,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
- Jane Wagner

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hi Tom/all,
Yes, word has a shortcut and it's all very useful, perhaps not as handy as that by the old wordperfect. When you type and want to insert a footnote, just press control-alt-f and it will open with the corresponding number.
Once you have typed it, just arrow up if it is the first one and you will get yourself back to main text. My suggestion which works is to use alt-home, then alt-end which gets you back to where the note was inserted.
If I want to look at a note I usually hit alt-shift-e and read it albeit in a way of preview, but it is quicker than the technique suggested to read it without having to speed that.
				Hope this helps,
				Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Cramer
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:49 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello,
Does anyone know of a good but easy way of using Footnotes in Word with JAWS? I have to write a few things where I'll need to footnote or document my sources, like title and page number.
I don't remember what that looks like from school. Does Word have an area you can use for footnotes, like you do for headers? Does it work using JAWS?
Tom

Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Albert Cutolo

#93220

Good afternoon Richard and Maria,

Although I myself use the I-Phone, My girlfriend desires a phone with buttons and not a flat screen. I’m thinking of sur. prising her, by purchasing one of these phones for Christmas. As the old saying goes, too each his own

Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Maria Campbell

#93219

Some Blind people are not the only ones who like flip phones with buttons. My sighted husband prefers just such a phone.

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 10/17/2021 12:11 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

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Recently, I bought the Blindshell Classic 2. I love it. You can see more about it on the maker’s website, below.

www.blindshell.com

HTH,

Richard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi Glenn,

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone? If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at, AT guies.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Richard B. McDonald

#93218

Recently, I bought the Blindshell Classic 2. I love it. You can see more about it on the maker’s website, below.

www.blindshell.com

HTH,

Richard

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi Glenn,

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone? If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at, AT guies.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Panagiotis Antonopoulos

#93217

Just be aware that, if you have a whole bunch of notes, arrowing up will put
you to the previous note, rather than the text, hence I follow the
control-home then control-end to reach the last bit past the footnote and
continue my work.

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 6:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Takis,
You are right.
I was not following the steps exactly for adding the second or third
footnote, etc.  I thought I should use control+end to get passed what I had
written, but that messes it up.
Just up arrowing back to the text, and hitting enter to start a new
paragraph, or just keeping on typing, allows the hotkey to work properly.

Thank you.

I don't know if I will need footnotes anytime soon, but I wanted to make
sure I knew how to when the time comes that I want to use them.

Thanks very much,

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
- Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis
Antonopoulos
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello Richard,
Unfortunately, I have not encountered this issue, as to me the command
creates consecutive footnotes, using office 365.
				I am always ready to help, if I can,
				Take care,
			Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello Takis,

I tried this, and control+alt+f only works for the first footnote.

If I keep writing, and want to addd a second footnote, how is this done?
I checked the Microsoft help, but it mentions the Review Tab and I didn't
find anything on Footnotes there.

Thanks,

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
- Jane Wagner

My Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner4
2.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C45a883d616044a6f90fc08d991810424%7C84df9e7fe9
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis
Antonopoulos
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hi Tom/all,
Yes, word has a shortcut and it's all very useful, perhaps not as handy as
that by the old wordperfect. When you type and want to insert a footnote,
just press control-alt-f and it will open with the corresponding number.
Once you have typed it, just arrow up if it is the first one and you will
get yourself back to main text. My suggestion which works is to use
alt-home, then alt-end which gets you back to where the note was inserted.
If I want to look at a note I usually hit alt-shift-e and read it albeit in
a way of preview, but it is quicker than the technique suggested to read it
without having to speed that.
				Hope this helps,
				Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Cramer
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:49 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello,
Does anyone know of a good but easy way of using Footnotes in Word with
JAWS? I have to write a few things where I'll need to footnote or document
my sources, like title and page number.
I don't remember what that looks like from school. Does Word have an area
you can use for footnotes, like you do for headers? Does it work using JAWS?
Tom

Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>

#93216

Takis,
You are right.
I was not following the steps exactly for adding the second or third footnote, etc.  I thought I should use control+end to get passed what I had written, but that messes it up.
Just up arrowing back to the text, and hitting enter to start a new paragraph, or just keeping on typing, allows the hotkey to work properly.

Thank you.

I don't know if I will need footnotes anytime soon, but I wanted to make sure I knew how to when the time comes that I want to use them.

Thanks very much,

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello Richard,
Unfortunately, I have not encountered this issue, as to me the command creates consecutive footnotes, using office 365.
				I am always ready to help, if I can,
				Take care,
			Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello Takis,

I tried this, and control+alt+f only works for the first footnote.

If I keep writing, and want to addd a second footnote, how is this done?
I checked the Microsoft help, but it mentions the Review Tab and I didn't find anything on Footnotes there.

Thanks,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
- Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C45a883d616044a6f90fc08d991810424%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637700805581556099%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=HQIZzerrl2OZXaBpZ6Ehb5ChoZoyIpyXzrLRrwXgpd4%3D&amp;reserved=0


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hi Tom/all,
Yes, word has a shortcut and it's all very useful, perhaps not as handy as that by the old wordperfect. When you type and want to insert a footnote, just press control-alt-f and it will open with the corresponding number.
Once you have typed it, just arrow up if it is the first one and you will get yourself back to main text. My suggestion which works is to use alt-home, then alt-end which gets you back to where the note was inserted.
If I want to look at a note I usually hit alt-shift-e and read it albeit in a way of preview, but it is quicker than the technique suggested to read it without having to speed that.
				Hope this helps,
				Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Cramer
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:49 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello,
Does anyone know of a good but easy way of using Footnotes in Word with JAWS? I have to write a few things where I'll need to footnote or document my sources, like title and page number.
I don't remember what that looks like from school. Does Word have an area you can use for footnotes, like you do for headers? Does it work using JAWS?
Tom

Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Panagiotis Antonopoulos

#93215

Hello Richard,
Unfortunately, I have not encountered this issue, as to me the command
creates consecutive footnotes, using office 365.
				I am always ready to help, if I can,
				Take care,
			Takis

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello Takis,

I tried this, and control+alt+f only works for the first footnote.

If I keep writing, and want to addd a second footnote, how is this done?
I checked the Microsoft help, but it mentions the Review Tab and I didn't
find anything on Footnotes there.

Thanks,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
- Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis
Antonopoulos
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hi Tom/all,
Yes, word has a shortcut and it's all very useful, perhaps not as handy as
that by the old wordperfect. When you type and want to insert a footnote,
just press control-alt-f and it will open with the corresponding number.
Once you have typed it, just arrow up if it is the first one and you will
get yourself back to main text. My suggestion which works is to use
alt-home, then alt-end which gets you back to where the note was inserted.
If I want to look at a note I usually hit alt-shift-e and read it albeit in
a way of preview, but it is quicker than the technique suggested to read it
without having to speed that.
				Hope this helps,
				Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Cramer
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:49 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello,
Does anyone know of a good but easy way of using Footnotes in Word with
JAWS? I have to write a few things where I'll need to footnote or document
my sources, like title and page number.
I don't remember what that looks like from school. Does Word have an area
you can use for footnotes, like you do for headers? Does it work using JAWS?
Tom

Re: Issue regarding VLC media player.

Albert Cutolo

#93214

Good morning Richard,

Thanks for the tip, I’ll give it a try the next time I want too listen to one of there streams.

Show quoted text

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 9:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issue regarding VLC media player.

Have you tried the Jaws passthrough key first? Incase Jaws is trying to grab those keys before the program?

It is Insert+3 on the number row.

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Issue regarding VLC media player.

Good morning everyone,

Just wanted all of you too know, that I was able too start playing the ACB New York state convention Stream with VLC media player. Now, I have some questions regarding there options. The shortcut options say that if you want too raise the volume, you should press the alt I key. If you want too lower it says that you should hit the alt key E. and too mute the playing of the particular stream that you are listening too, hit the alt key M key. I do have audio ducting enable using Jaws 2021 latest version, and am running windows 10. Could this be causing any of those combinations keys that I listed above, be the cause of the problem that I’m having? Or should I call the Microsoft disability answer desk, too uninstall my current version of VLC media player, and install it again? The thing is, I can’t even get any new updates that might be available.

Any help or advice about this ongoing issue would be very much appreciated.

Al However when I’m trying too hit any of these combinations keys, I can’t raise the volume, or hit the key combination M key too mute a media stream, none of them seem too work

Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>

#93213

Hello Takis,

I tried this, and control+alt+f only works for the first footnote.

If I keep writing, and want to addd a second footnote, how is this done?
I checked the Microsoft help, but it mentions the Review Tab and I didn't find anything on Footnotes there.

Thanks,

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hi Tom/all,
Yes, word has a shortcut and it's all very useful, perhaps not as handy as that by the old wordperfect. When you type and want to insert a footnote, just press control-alt-f and it will open with the corresponding number. Once you have typed it, just arrow up if it is the first one and you will get yourself back to main text. My suggestion which works is to use alt-home, then alt-end which gets you back to where the note was inserted. If I want to look at a note I usually hit alt-shift-e and read it albeit in a way of preview, but it is quicker than the technique suggested to read it without having to speed that.
				Hope this helps,
				Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Cramer
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 2:49 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Word, Footnotes and JAWS

Hello,
Does anyone know of a good but easy way of using Footnotes in Word with JAWS? I have to write a few things where I'll need to footnote or document my sources, like title and page number.
I don't remember what that looks like from school. Does Word have an area you can use for footnotes, like you do for headers? Does it work using JAWS?
Tom

Re: [Tech4theblind] PC Problem

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>

#93212

Are all applications closed?

Are you using alt+f4 and picking shut down?

If the answer to the two questions is yes, then you probably need to hold the power button after a minute or two of waiting for it to shut down so you are shutting down manually.

There of course may be power option settings that need fixing.

Is the computer under warranty, so you could call HP?

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 7:13 AM
To: Tech4theblind@groups.io; main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Tech4theblind] PC Problem

Hi, Michael,

I'm also guessing that your windows isn't trying to update before shutting down? When shutting down, at least in Windows 10, that can be an option.

Judy
sent from the Android BS6

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, October 16, 2021 09:53 PM
To: Tech4theblind@groups.io;main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [Tech4theblind] PC Problem

Hi all, I'm sending this email out because I experienced a problem on my computer. The problem that I have is that my computer won't turn off everytime when I use the normal way to shut it down.  I did everything I could to solve this problem but in the end, it was useless. Everytime when I attempt to shut down the computer, it says shutting down on the screen but the fan and the LED light next to the power button still remain on. When I first experienced this problem I thought that I packed my laptop with the switch facing down the backpack.
After I realized this, I immediately corrected how I packed my laptop and the problem still existed. The laptop will get very hot from the fan and the fan will remain running until the computer battery drains out.
Have you all experienced this problem before? If so, how did you fix it?
I'm using an HP ENVY x360 Convertible 15m-ds0xxxs laptop with Windows10 21H1 (OS Build 19043.1237 and Jaws 2021 latest update.
Please let me know if there is a way to solve this or not.
Thanks
Best regards
Michael H. munn

[image: JAWS Certified, 2019]
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Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind
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Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Angel

#93211

People have a rite to choose. There are many reasons substantiating a persons choice. I think this rite ought not to be abridged. There is a long way between choice and necessity. This is why it is fortunate there is now, and I hope in future, there will always be a fulfillment of the need for button driven phones.

Sent from Mail for Windows

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From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 12:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Well I think regarding physical limitations only, 99.9% of people can use a touch screen,

I could use one with my nose, my tongue, or even my toe if I had to.

So when folks say they cannot, it is not for physical reasons IMO.

But for me, I like the iPhone for apps, not for a phone.

I like the simplicity of a flip phone.

But if folks feel they cannot learn to use a touch screen, or just like me, prefer a flip phone, I get that.

But I find it hard to accept that some folks cannot use a touch screen, unless they have other disabilities other than physical.

But we are all different, and I look forward to always having options.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Angel
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

There might, also, be a difference between flip phones, and flip phones with buttons. There are also people, as am I, who prefer to use phones with orthodox buttons, rather than those with touch screens. Too often, we blind people, and otherwise challenged people, who forget there might be people who are unable, for whatever reason, to use touch screens. Are such people second class citizens?

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

That is if this the business run by Laz.
Maybe I'm wrong and Laz has nothing to do with AT Guys, and I was wrong, then if so, please excuse the mistake.
But I still would not buy a phone or other device made for the Blind when there are better options.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn / Lenny
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi,
I won't do business with those people.
Also, I believe that is that over priced under-powered phone, that is marketed to the Blind, and like all other specialty products for the Blind, it uses out-dated technology at a premium price.
Thank you for responding though, I do appreciate all information that I can look into for a new phone.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Cutolo
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi Glenn,

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone? If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at, AT guies.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.
I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.
Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?
BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.
Isn't that ironic?

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Re: [Tech4theblind] PC Problem

Judy Jones

#93210

Hi, Michael,

I'm also guessing that your windows isn't trying to update before shutting down? When shutting down, at least in Windows 10, that can be an option.

Judy
sent from the Android BS6

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----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, October 16, 2021 09:53 PM
To: Tech4theblind@groups.io;main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [Tech4theblind] PC Problem

Hi all, I'm sending this email out because I experienced a problem on my
computer. The problem that I have is that my computer won't turn off
everytime when I use the normal way to shut it down.  I did everything I
could to solve this problem but in the end, it was useless. Everytime when
I attempt to shut down the computer,
it says shutting down on the screen but the fan and the LED light next to
the power button still remain on. When I first experienced this problem I
thought that I packed my laptop with the switch facing down the backpack.
After I realized this, I immediately corrected how I packed my laptop and
the problem still existed. The laptop will get very hot from the fan and
the fan will remain running until the computer battery drains out.
Have you all experienced this problem before? If so, how did you fix it?
I'm using an HP ENVY x360 Convertible 15m-ds0xxxs laptop with Windows10 21H1
(OS Build 19043.1237 and Jaws 2021 latest update.
Please let me know if there is a way to solve this or not.
Thanks
Best regards
Michael H. munn

[image: JAWS Certified, 2019]
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the
Blind of Georgia
www.nfbga.org <http://www.nfbv.org>

Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the
Blind
www.nfb.org
  Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
www.hadley.edu

Re: Issue regarding VLC media player.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>

#93209

Have you tried the Jaws passthrough key first? Incase Jaws is trying to grab those keys before the program?

It is Insert+3 on the number row.

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Issue regarding VLC media player.

Good morning everyone,

Just wanted all of you too know, that I was able too start playing the ACB New York state convention Stream with VLC media player. Now, I have some questions regarding there options. The shortcut options say that if you want too raise the volume, you should press the alt I key. If you want too lower it says that you should hit the alt key E. and too mute the playing of the particular stream that you are listening too, hit the alt key M key. I do have audio ducting enable using Jaws 2021 latest version, and am running windows 10. Could this be causing any of those combinations keys that I listed above, be the cause of the problem that I’m having? Or should I call the Microsoft disability answer desk, too uninstall my current version of VLC media player, and install it again? The thing is, I can’t even get any new updates that might be available.

Any help or advice about this ongoing issue would be very much appreciated.

Al However when I’m trying too hit any of these combinations keys, I can’t raise the volume, or hit the key combination M key too mute a media stream, none of them seem too work

Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

dennis

#93208

i too prefer the orthodox phone. they are not easy to find. verizon only has 2 the last time i baught one. here is what i have.LG Revere® 3. good luck.

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On 10/16/2021 11:30 PM, Angel wrote:

There might, also, be a difference between flip phones, and flip phones with buttons. There are also people, as am I, who prefer to use phones with orthodox buttons, rather than those with touch screens. Too often, we blind people, and otherwise challenged people, who forget there might be people who are unable, for whatever reason, to use touch screens. Are such people second class citizens?

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

That is if this the business run by Laz.

Maybe I'm wrong and Laz has nothing to do with AT Guys, and I was wrong, then if so, please excuse the mistake.

But I still would not buy a phone or other device made for the Blind when there are better options.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Glenn / Lenny

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:04 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi,

I won't do business with those people.

Also, I believe that is that over priced under-powered phone, that is marketed to the Blind, and like all other specialty products for the Blind, it uses out-dated technology at a premium price.

Thank you for responding though, I do appreciate all information that I can look into for a new phone.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Albert Cutolo

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi Glenn,

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone? If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at, AT guies.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

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Issue regarding VLC media player.

Albert Cutolo

#93207

Good morning everyone,

Just wanted all of you too know, that I was able too start playing the ACB New York state convention Stream with VLC media player. Now, I have some questions regarding there options. The shortcut options say that if you want too raise the volume, you should press the alt I key. If you want too lower it says that you should hit the alt key E. and too mute the playing of the particular stream that you are listening too, hit the alt key M key. I do have audio ducting enable using Jaws 2021 latest version, and am running windows 10. Could this be causing any of those combinations keys that I listed above, be the cause of the problem that I’m having? Or should I call the Microsoft disability answer desk, too uninstall my current version of VLC media player, and install it again? The thing is, I can’t even get any new updates that might be available.

Any help or advice about this ongoing issue would be very much appreciated.

Al However when I’m trying too hit any of these combinations keys, I can’t raise the volume, or hit the key combination M key too mute a media stream, none of them seem too work

Re: Viber scripts

Sabahudin Tricic

#93206

Hello,

Yes, those two software’s have similar spelling. What I need is JFW scripts for Viber. Viber is a messaging app, with voice and video calling capabilities. Mobil version is accessible and I am using it on my iphone. However, desktop version is not accessible at all.

Software is very popular in Europe, and all of my friends are using it.

Here is the url:

Viber.com

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Viber scripts

I have Vipre and have not found any trouble navigating its screens. It was recommended by friends as the most accessible antivirus software for the desktop using a screen reader. So, what is your problem and how might I be able to help.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sabahudin Tricic
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Viber scripts

Hello,

Does anybody know where I can find JFW scripts for Viber desktop.

I do not have problems using it on the Iphone, but desktop version is not accessible

Thanks .

Re: Viber scripts

Milton Ota

#93205

I have Vipre and have not found any trouble navigating its screens. It was recommended by friends as the most accessible antivirus software for the desktop using a screen reader. So, what is your problem and how might I be able to help.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sabahudin Tricic
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Viber scripts

Hello,

Does anybody know where I can find JFW scripts for Viber desktop.

I do not have problems using it on the Iphone, but desktop version is not accessible

Thanks .