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moderated Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Glenn / Lenny
 


Well I think regarding physical limitations only, 99.9% of people can use a touch screen,
I could use one with my nose, my tongue, or even my toe if I had to.
So when folks say they cannot, it is not for physical reasons IMO.
But for me, I like the iPhone for apps, not for a phone.
I like the simplicity of a flip phone.
But if folks feel they cannot learn to use a touch screen, or just like me, prefer a flip phone, I get that.
But I find it hard to accept that some folks cannot use a touch screen, unless they have other disabilities other than physical.
But we are all different, and I look forward to always having options.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Angel
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

There might, also, be a difference between flip phones, and flip phones with buttons.  There are also people, as am I, who prefer to use phones with orthodox buttons, rather than those with touch screens.  Too often, we blind people, and otherwise challenged people, who forget there might be people who are unable, for whatever reason, to use touch screens.  Are such people second class citizens?

 

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From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

That is if this the business run by Laz.

Maybe I'm wrong and Laz has nothing to do with AT Guys, and I was wrong, then if so, please excuse the mistake.

But I still would not buy a phone or other device made for the Blind when there are better options.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:04 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

Hi,

I won't do business with those people.

Also, I believe that is that over priced under-powered phone, that is marketed to the Blind, and like all other specialty products for the Blind, it uses out-dated technology at a premium price.

Thank you for responding though, I do appreciate all information that I can look into for a new phone.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

Hi Glenn, 

 

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone?  If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at,  AT guies.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

 

 




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moderated Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Angel
 

There might, also, be a difference between flip phones, and flip phones with buttons.  There are also people, as am I, who prefer to use phones with orthodox buttons, rather than those with touch screens.  Too often, we blind people, and otherwise challenged people, who forget there might be people who are unable, for whatever reason, to use touch screens.  Are such people second class citizens?

 

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From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

That is if this the business run by Laz.

Maybe I'm wrong and Laz has nothing to do with AT Guys, and I was wrong, then if so, please excuse the mistake.

But I still would not buy a phone or other device made for the Blind when there are better options.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:04 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

Hi,

I won't do business with those people.

Also, I believe that is that over priced under-powered phone, that is marketed to the Blind, and like all other specialty products for the Blind, it uses out-dated technology at a premium price.

Thank you for responding though, I do appreciate all information that I can look into for a new phone.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

Hi Glenn, 

 

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone?  If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at,  AT guies.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

 

 




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moderated Re: JFW and iTune

Cornelius
 

 
Also it seems that NVDA navigates more smoothly in iTunes if compared with JAWS. I tried backing up my iPhone using JAWS on iTunes and it is not as smooth tabbing around the menu compared to if using NVDA.
 
 

From: Chris Hill
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 9:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JFW and iTune
 
Well, it is now.  I tried it with nvda, and the menus no longer come up with just alt. 

CH


On 10/16/2021 07:52, Cornelius wrote:
 
Hi Chris, that doesn’t seem to be the problem in a few versions back. We can press alt and use the left/right arrow to find the desire menu.
 
 
 
From: Chris Hill
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 8:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JFW and iTune
 
Hello.


That isn't jaws problem to fix.  Alt does not bring up the menu in itunes.  If you want the menu, hold alt and press one of the first letter options like f.  You can then arrow down through the file menu, or arrow over to whatever menu you want.

CH


On 10/16/2021 05:23, Cornelius wrote:
Hi all,
Any  JFW users have the problem of JAWS not announcing the menu in iTune? For example if you press alt key and then the left or right arrow, JAWS will not say file or accounts etc.
I notice this has been happening for quite sometime and there seems to be no fix for it in the 2021 update of JAWS.
 



moderated Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Glenn / Lenny
 

That is if this the business run by Laz.
Maybe I'm wrong and Laz has nothing to do with AT Guys, and I was wrong, then if so, please excuse the mistake.
But I still would not buy a phone or other device made for the Blind when there are better options.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi,
I won't do business with those people.
Also, I believe that is that over priced under-powered phone, that is marketed to the Blind, and like all other specialty products for the Blind, it uses out-dated technology at a premium price.
Thank you for responding though, I do appreciate all information that I can look into for a new phone.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi Glenn, 

 

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone?  If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at,  AT guies.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

 


moderated Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Glenn / Lenny
 

Thanks, I was using FF, maybe Edge will work better.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

I found the same issue on my Mac with Safari, but was able to use the accessible page with Firefox. So, perhaps changing browsers will help. 


On Oct 16, 2021, at 19:33, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.
I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.
Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?
BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.
Isn't that ironic?
 


moderated Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
I won't do business with those people.
Also, I believe that is that over priced under-powered phone, that is marketed to the Blind, and like all other specialty products for the Blind, it uses out-dated technology at a premium price.
Thank you for responding though, I do appreciate all information that I can look into for a new phone.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Hi Glenn, 

 

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone?  If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at,  AT guies.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

 


moderated Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Cohn, Jonathan
 

I found the same issue on my Mac with Safari, but was able to use the accessible page with Firefox. So, perhaps changing browsers will help. 


On Oct 16, 2021, at 19:33, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.
I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.
Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?
BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.
Isn't that ironic?
 


moderated Re: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Albert Cutolo
 

Hi Glenn, 

 

Have you considered the blind shell classic 2 phone?  If you want more information about this particular phone, Call the people at,  AT guies.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

 

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.

I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.

Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?

BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.

Isn't that ironic?

 


moderated OT, More On finding an accessible flip phone.

Glenn / Lenny
 

I haven't tried the page with NVDA, but I just tried to read Verizon's page of accessible phones, and it constantly brings up a chat window for chatting with a sales person, and I'm just trying to read the page.
I cannot even go back, I can only close that tab and re-open it, and I can't get more than a line read about their phones.
Anyone have recommendations on talking flip phones?
BTW, finally, when I was put into a chat window I didn't like, I took that opportunity to type in a complaint about their page with a screenreader.
Isn't that ironic?
 


moderated Re: Question about how too clear out the catch using the google chrome browser?

Bill White
 

Hi, Albert, It's always been and is now, CONTROL plus SHIFT plus DELETE, while in Chrome. Just let the page open, and clear Browsing data, and all else you want cleared.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 3:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question about how too clear out the catch using the google chrome browser?

 

Good evening everyone, 

 

I’m writing the following message, too ask if anyone has noticed that it seems that the google chrome browser has made a change as too how too clear out the catch and other options that you might want too clear out as well.  Is there a different way that I can be able too access those options using other keystrokes or commands?

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al  


moderated Question about how too clear out the catch using the google chrome browser?

Albert Cutolo
 

Good evening everyone, 

 

I’m writing the following message, too ask if anyone has noticed that it seems that the google chrome browser has made a change as too how too clear out the catch and other options that you might want too clear out as well.  Is there a different way that I can be able too access those options using other keystrokes or commands?

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al  


moderated OT Flip Phone

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi, since this is OT, please respond just to me instead of the list if you can.
I have a Kyrosera flip phone, and I want to get a new flip phone.
I'm using Verizon, but I may switch if Verizon does not have a good phone.
The voice on mine sucks and it makes it hard to use.
Thanks for any recommendations.
Glenn


moderated Re: question about activating links in a Word document

Curtis Chong
 

My strategy is to activate the context menu on the link with shift+f10 and then arrow down to open link. Then, I press Enter. This works every time.



Kind regards,

Curtis Chong

On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

I seem to recollect that Control+Enter activates a link. I think you must
have your cursor on the link. And, there may be an option within Word's
settings to enable this.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question about activating links in a Word document

Hi all,
Not sure if this would be a Jaws or Word question so that's why I'm posting
this on hear.
When I have a Word document with links in it whether that be email addresses
or web addresses is there any way to have them open when I enter on them?
Right now when I try and do this the only thing that happens is that a blank
line gets placed in the document. If there isn't then that's fine I'm simply
curious that's all. Using latest versions of Jaws, Office 365 and Windows
10. Any help/suggestions are greatly appreciated as always!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: question about activating links in a Word document

Richard B. McDonald
 

I seem to recollect that Control+Enter activates a link. I think you must
have your cursor on the link. And, there may be an option within Word's
settings to enable this.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question about activating links in a Word document

Hi all,
Not sure if this would be a Jaws or Word question so that's why I'm posting
this on hear.
When I have a Word document with links in it whether that be email addresses
or web addresses is there any way to have them open when I enter on them?
Right now when I try and do this the only thing that happens is that a blank
line gets placed in the document. If there isn't then that's fine I'm simply
curious that's all. Using latest versions of Jaws, Office 365 and Windows
10. Any help/suggestions are greatly appreciated as always!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: JFW and iTune

Chris Hill
 

Well, it is now.  I tried it with nvda, and the menus no longer come up with just alt. 

CH


On 10/16/2021 07:52, Cornelius wrote:
 
Hi Chris, that doesn’t seem to be the problem in a few versions back. We can press alt and use the left/right arrow to find the desire menu.
 
 
 
From: Chris Hill
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 8:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JFW and iTune
 
Hello.


That isn't jaws problem to fix.  Alt does not bring up the menu in itunes.  If you want the menu, hold alt and press one of the first letter options like f.  You can then arrow down through the file menu, or arrow over to whatever menu you want.

CH


On 10/16/2021 05:23, Cornelius wrote:
Hi all,
Any  JFW users have the problem of JAWS not announcing the menu in iTune? For example if you press alt key and then the left or right arrow, JAWS will not say file or accounts etc.
I notice this has been happening for quite sometime and there seems to be no fix for it in the 2021 update of JAWS.
 



moderated Re: JFW and iTune

Cornelius
 

 
Hi Chris, that doesn’t seem to be the problem in a few versions back. We can press alt and use the left/right arrow to find the desire menu.
 
 
 

From: Chris Hill
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 8:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JFW and iTune
 
Hello.


That isn't jaws problem to fix.  Alt does not bring up the menu in itunes.  If you want the menu, hold alt and press one of the first letter options like f.  You can then arrow down through the file menu, or arrow over to whatever menu you want.

CH


On 10/16/2021 05:23, Cornelius wrote:
Hi all,
Any  JFW users have the problem of JAWS not announcing the menu in iTune? For example if you press alt key and then the left or right arrow, JAWS will not say file or accounts etc.
I notice this has been happening for quite sometime and there seems to be no fix for it in the 2021 update of JAWS.
 


moderated Re: JFW and iTune

Chris Hill
 

Hello.


That isn't jaws problem to fix.  Alt does not bring up the menu in itunes.  If you want the menu, hold alt and press one of the first letter options like f.  You can then arrow down through the file menu, or arrow over to whatever menu you want.

CH


On 10/16/2021 05:23, Cornelius wrote:
Hi all,
Any  JFW users have the problem of JAWS not announcing the menu in iTune? For example if you press alt key and then the left or right arrow, JAWS will not say file or accounts etc.
I notice this has been happening for quite sometime and there seems to be no fix for it in the 2021 update of JAWS.
 


moderated JFW and iTune

Cornelius
 

Hi all,
Any  JFW users have the problem of JAWS not announcing the menu in iTune? For example if you press alt key and then the left or right arrow, JAWS will not say file or accounts etc.
I notice this has been happening for quite sometime and there seems to be no fix for it in the 2021 update of JAWS.
 


moderated Re: windows 11

Dave Durber
 


Maddison:
 
I have received an update notice that Windows 11 is available for my computer, however, I was informed, that the download could not go ahead because, I do not have the necessary function turned on in the BIOS. As I have said previously, I am going to wait for at least 6 months to a year, before I upgrade. And, when I do upgrade, I will probably perform a new install of Windows 11.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: windows 11

Glad to know, however I know that Windows 10 eventually won’t be supported anymore and then I’ll have to upgrade so I figure I might as well do it once I get it. Is there any way to find out when my PC might get it?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Leo
Sent: October 15, 2021 1:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hey guys, this message is particularly for those who are quite anxious to run Windows 11 in your computers. You are not missing absolutely anything.

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

He seems to think the world will end if he can't run Windows 11. You are of course entirely correct, installing Windows 11 by some sort of hack is probably the worst thing you can do and there is absolutely no reason for it. I still hear of things like File Explorer being fairly sluggish with all screenreaders in Windows 11 and while I am also curious about Windows 11, I am in no particular hurry and have a feeling that once I do maybe install it on the one computer I currently own which says it can run it I will be underwhelmed and find that on a day-to-day bases it will make little difference.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: October 15, 2021 5:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Why would you want to install an unsupported operating system?  My understanding is that if you do, you may not get security updates.  I'd install the latest version of windows 10 and be content, even if you really want 11, you probably don't want it for the first six months, unless you like  using your computer for a door stop instead of a computer.  Leave the first little while to those with spare computers.

CH

On 10/14/2021 22:31, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Hi. My processor I 3  7020 u processor not supported. And some one was saying they are getting updates for now. Should I install windows 11 now on my current system. Got the pc health check and only thing not supported my processor. Have not got 21 h 2 for windows 10, but not much. And Microsoft will  their efforsts on windows 11, not windows 10. From I read. So have everything backed up to my external drive. Do I just install the iso, manually, or can I do this over the top of use the media creation tool.

Got jaws 2022 beta 2 on my laptop testing.

And nvda 2021.2. any thoughts.

What would you do. Looking to purchase a new laptop in the next three to four months, December or January probably early December or maybe mid December, as mid  going in for my  ioedene treatment and they have to then clean and take away my laptop when I come out after three days. And so looking to purchase a new asuss, with a faster  16 gb ram, 1 to 2 tb ssd drive, audio jack, great audio, 15 inch screen.

Thanks.processor,radioactive January .concentrate 7

 

 


moderated Re: problem filling in a PDF

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I just tried this with the renewal form and found it extremely accessible using Adobe DC and the Jaws 2022 Beta.
Did you make sure you downloaded the correct form? You should have this one if this is your first passport application:

PPTC 153, Adult General Passport Application

Also, make sure you save it to your computer and then open it, when you click on it on the Canada.ca website it most likely opens in Edge or whichever browser you are using and here you can't fill it out, you have to first save it.
As you fill it out there is a save button after you complete each page which you should click to proceed to the next page, in fact, you may have to click it, I just did because after the final field on a page this is where I landed so I clicked it and after that I ended up on the next page.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: October 15, 2021 1:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: problem filling in a PDF

Hi all,
I'm trying to apply for a new Canadian passport, but I'm having trouble filling out the application, reading it isn't going supper grate either. I open pdfs using Adobe, any ideas of anything I can try so that I can fill out the application? I know I could get sighted help, but I'd really like to try filling it out on my own first if at all possible. Using latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10. Really hope someone can help me!! Thanks Madison

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