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Re: VPN?

Claudia
 

Okay,

Here are more questions then. I don't remember making mention of Citrix, but we do actually use that. There is a state database on Citrix that has all client information on it.
I work for a state vocational rehabilitation agency.

As it stands, I cannot use Citrix to get into this database because Jaws is obviously installed on my, and a few other users' machines. From my understanding, Citrix would need to be installed on that server statewide, in order for me to be able to use it to access the client database.

So, the IT solution is to come down and install physical copies of Jaws and the database on my laptop, so that I will have instant access essentially.
In other words, I'll be able to launch the client database from the laptop, instead of having to log into it remotely.

So, are there many others using Citrix with Jaws, and if so, what capacity do you use it in?

Claudia

PS. All of this is giving me a headache; I am becoming more confused, by the minute.

On 4/18/2012 3:41 PM, Marquette, Ed wrote:
Claudia:
If it is a true VPN, you should be just fine. I use one every single day, and JAWS is not affected in the slightest.
The problem is that sometimes the term is used loosely to refer to a variety of remote access solutions. Even if it is really a Citrix connection (not a real VPN), JAWS still works. It is just a little more challenging n that JAWS needs to be loaded on the Citrix server too, and you need to have the more expensive JAWS edition. I have it, but I don't remember what it is called.


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Subject: VPN?

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
My employer is going to give me access to one of these.

Thanks.

Claudia


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Re: Enterprise software

epierce@...
 

As I'm sure your know, or can imagine, in some large organizations, there is so much inefficiency and dysfunctional culture that the IT support people closest to a visually impaired user may not have access (no pun intended) to the enterprise licensing and other relevant support information needed. Or they may simply be prohibited by the organization's policies and/or license terms from interacting with FS tech support.

There are far worse IT support horror stories than can be told in detail on a public list.

Please note that the original discussion was not about FS support, but rather about the difference between "real" accessibility in Enterprise Software packages and legal "compliance" by large corporations with deep pockets and large legal departments, and/or lobbying representation.

FS has adapted their business model to malformed market conditions, they didn't create those conditions, in any direct way.

FS has adapted their software implementation to an inadequate operating system architecture which they didn't create.

Some people might object, feeling that FS has "sold out" blind customers in order to stay in the game of legal compliance played by corporations and other organizations that are run in a cynical, dehumanizing, bizarro manner.

The reality, like it or not, is that FS is a business, not an advocacy group.

When the market for accessibility products is distorted in the manner that it has been, it is inevitable that some company will end up selling out and pandering to the lowest instincts of the majority interest groups buying the product.

This is a consequence of "legislating morality".

In other words, people are not perfect, society is not perfect, accessibility is not implemented or enforced perfectly, etc.

People can come to their own conclusions about whether or not society in general is better off with things like ADA compliance bureaucracy and the resulting market distortions, or not.

People can come to their own conclusions about whether or not the individuals that work in the compliance bureaucracy are really working for the best interests of disabled people, or to advance their own careers.

The reality is that people that fail to conform to the dark, evil forces that are prevalent in many large organizations are frequently targeted for mistreatment, made into scapegoats, and bullied.

Any worker that is subject to such conditions should be aware that they can reach out to labor activists or labor lawyers for support.

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Have any of these so-called helpful people bothered to call Freedom
Scientific to get their help?
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Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

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On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Hello,
I have NVDA and use it when Jaws can't read the page or when Jaws crashes.
Does anyone know what the NVDA support list's email address is? I have some
questions about setting up my NVDA with yummy voices.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:27 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Thank you for this post. It's what many of us were hoping to get from Karen:
a detailed description of the strengths and weaknesses of NVDA. Between your
comments and Gary's occasional references to using it when JAWS fails, I am
now tempted to add it to my system.

For clarification, I've added NVDA to the subject line. I hope it won't
incur the wrath of the purists.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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Re: What is a VPN?

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

VPN: A virtual private network.
It a connectivity tool used by many organizations. I use that connection when I work from home. I have no problems with it, I have all my applications on my local machine and I have full access to my network drives.

The one area that can be a problem is the logon method. We use RSA Security. There is a hardware token [its like a little calculator looking] version which is totally inaccessable. I use a "soft token" this is a software version of the hardware token and is with some jaws scripting it is usable.

Regards
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: April 18, 2012 4:26 PM
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Subject: What is a VPN?

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
Thanks.

Claudia


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Re: VPN?

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Claudia:
If it is a true VPN, you should be just fine. I use one every single day, and JAWS is not affected in the slightest.
The problem is that sometimes the term is used loosely to refer to a variety of remote access solutions. Even if it is really a Citrix connection (not a real VPN), JAWS still works. It is just a little more challenging n that JAWS needs to be loaded on the Citrix server too, and you need to have the more expensive JAWS edition. I have it, but I don't remember what it is called.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: VPN?

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
My employer is going to give me access to one of these.

Thanks.

Claudia


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Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Yummy voices?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Hello,
I have NVDA and use it when Jaws can't read the page or when Jaws crashes.
Does anyone know what the NVDA support list's email address is? I have some
questions about setting up my NVDA with yummy voices.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:27 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Thank you for this post. It's what many of us were hoping to get from Karen:
a detailed description of the strengths and weaknesses of NVDA. Between your
comments and Gary's occasional references to using it when JAWS fails, I am
now tempted to add it to my system.

For clarification, I've added NVDA to the subject line. I hope it won't
incur the wrath of the purists.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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Re: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?

Claudia
 

Hello,

I see this quite a bit too, both on the job and in personal use. Sometimes, the files even open up, and when I arrow down with Jaws, it is reading it to me but either word by word or letter by letter.

Claudia

On 4/18/2012 11:32 AM, rixmix2009@gmail.com wrote:
I have found on several occasions to open a .pdf file in Acrobat Reader to find that the document is comprised of say 3 or 4 colums. And the data has like the name in column 1, the address in column 2, and the phone in column 3.

But the thing is, that JAWS will read it all down column 1, and then to column 2, etc.
Meaning that the connections between the adjacent field is lost, or made quite difficult.

I do not know enough to tell folks, so I ask you.
How may we tell people to construct these type of files in such a way that this does not occur?

I suppose it may vary according to which software was used to create it.

But I thought perhaps there is some descriptive terms to even better describe what I just tried to tell you all.

Thanks.
Rik


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Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonboy13@...>
 

Hello,
I have NVDA and use it when Jaws can't read the page or when Jaws crashes. Does anyone know what the NVDA support list's email address is? I have some questions about setting up my NVDA with yummy voices.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:27 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Thank you for this post. It's what many of us were hoping to get from Karen:
a detailed description of the strengths and weaknesses of NVDA. Between your
comments and Gary's occasional references to using it when JAWS fails, I am
now tempted to add it to my system.

For clarification, I've added NVDA to the subject line. I hope it won't
incur the wrath of the purists.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Nothing wrong with the right tool for the right job. Both the freebies
I know about can be run in portable mode, which could be great for
either location or occasional use.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen
reader, with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't
work, or at least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not
going to take the apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't
really advise a serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In
fact, this conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history,
but for what it's worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and
more responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it
works, it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its
command structure is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it
easier to learn, and indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object.
This allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like
elements in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to
get to in JFW, then set focus there and interact with the controls
smoothly. This mode gives access in some situations where JFW can't
find a hook to interact with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb
drive and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This
promise is almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being
a major feature in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to
JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing
feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really
get access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough,
except the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and
calendar access is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move
to the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages
like Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out
repeated content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday
use I use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming
with, I would not recommend flying solo with it in a business
environment. I certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say
yet, because it looks like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA
(which function something like JFW scripts) which are starting to add
functionality that didn't exist before. It may be that the user
community will yet provide missing functionality and make it an even
more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro should be careful as it is
already capable of moving many users away from the upgrades. I haven't
bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will eventually, but for
now a combination of financial circumstances and a workable alternative
have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if
you don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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VPN?

Claudia
 

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
My employer is going to give me access to one of these.

Thanks.

Claudia


NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Adrian Spratt
 

Thank you for this post. It's what many of us were hoping to get from Karen:
a detailed description of the strengths and weaknesses of NVDA. Between your
comments and Gary's occasional references to using it when JAWS fails, I am
now tempted to add it to my system.

For clarification, I've added NVDA to the subject line. I hope it won't
incur the wrath of the purists.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

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What is a VPN?

Claudia
 

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
Thanks.

Claudia


Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Dave...
 

Christopher,

Very nice. And that actually makes me want to try NVDA much more than what
Karen provided.

It does sound like NVDA may eventually grow in flexibility and functionality
to give a viable alternative in my environment, which is heavily involved
with Excel and Outlook, with some forays into Powerpoint and Word.

Much appreciated.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Bartlett" <themusicalbrewer@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 13:16
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...>
 

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett


Re: Skype scripts

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:43 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Skype scripts

Go here:
http://www.for-the-people.com/dlee/www/skype/jfw-skr55a_NSI.exe

They make the program pretty accessible.
Regards.
Angela from Italy.

--
"Con poco sapere, ma di buona qualit`, si produce di piy che con moltissimo
sapere di cattiva qualit`". (Arthur Schopenhauer).


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Skype scripts

Hi all, I know that I've seen mentions about skype scripts on this list
before, where can I find this scripts and how accessible does it make skype?

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Re: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

How about going to layout? I believe the choices there affect
presentation. I can think of a few situations where I'd love Word and
AR to read a column at a time. When a newsletter is formatted in
columns, the jumping around can destroy the continuity.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?

Rick refers to columns not tables so you can't use the table navigation
keystrokes in that case. When they are columns jaws puts one column
under the other thus disassociating what was once related information.
I have seen this so many times. I personally have no knowledge of how
pdf documents need to be constructed. So many times now documents are
created in other programs and saved as pdf format. So many of these
programs e.g. ms word do not do a very good job and esentially trash the
documents. I find myself having to go back to the source of the
document creator and request the original version.

Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar, Nothing to
Get Hung About
Sent: April 18, 2012 12:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?

Rik,

Usually tables are navigated using the table-reading keystrokes. Are you
able to find tables by pressing the letter "T"? If so, then you can read
the table row-by-row or column-by-column, or move at your request from
cell-to-cell. Refer to documentation in JAWS keystrokes for navigating
tables.

I don't think it's related to how the PDF was created, as long as it can
be read at all by JAWS.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: <rixmix2009@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 09:32
Subject: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?


I have found on several occasions to open a .pdf file in Acrobat Reader
to
find that the document is comprised of say 3 or 4 colums. And the data
has
like the name in column 1, the address in column 2, and the phone in
column
3.

But the thing is, that JAWS will read it all down column 1, and then to
column 2, etc.
Meaning that the connections between the adjacent field is lost, or made
quite difficult.

I do not know enough to tell folks, so I ask you.
How may we tell people to construct these type of files in such a way
that
this does not occur?

I suppose it may vary according to which software was used to create it.

But I thought perhaps there is some descriptive terms to even better
describe what I just tried to tell you all.

Thanks.
Rik


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Re: Skype scripts

Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

Go here:
http://www.for-the-people.com/dlee/www/skype/jfw-skr55a_NSI.exe

They make the program pretty accessible.
Regards.
Angela from Italy.

--
"Con poco sapere, ma di buona qualitą, si produce di pił che con moltissimo
sapere di cattiva qualitą". (Arthur Schopenhauer).

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Skype scripts

Hi all, I know that I've seen mentions about skype scripts on this list
before, where can I find this scripts and how accessible does it make skype?

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Skype scripts

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Hi all, I know that I've seen mentions about skype scripts on this
list before, where can I find this scripts and how accessible does it
make skype?


Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Vista and 7 are different from earlier OS's. As I recall, after my
recent installation, I had to go into Basics and check Start again.
Otherwise, it'll speak during log in, then shut up.

Ted

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar, Nothing to
Get Hung About
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Guy,

Sounds pretty complicated. I've never needed to jump through hoops like
that
on either of my work-based computers.

Also I wonder if that special "start JAWS at the logon screen" is
available
under an XP installation, or just in Windows 7? I thought I recently
looked
on my XP machine and did not find it there. It certainly is there with
JAWS
13 on this Windows 7 machine. And on both my work-based Windows 7 and XP
Pro
machines, I get full speech during my logon screens (accessed with the
Ctrl+Alt+Delete keystroke).

Can you check again your instructions -- I'm always willing to learn
that
I'm wrong, to the benefit of others.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: <guy.castonguay@parl.gc.ca>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 09:42
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Hi Claudia,
Here are the steps that your IT personnel must go through when
installing on
a large network. First of all, they must add your profile to the
administrator group. Once this is done, you may log in using your user
name
and password. Make sure to have all the JAWS components and folders
uninstalled and re start the install fresh but it must be done locally.
Once
it has been installed successfully. Make sure that the option "Start
JAWS at
the logon screen" is checked. This can be found on the second screen of
the
JAWS start-up wizard. You will find that wizard in the help menu. .
Once you are sure that the voice works at the log on screen, remove your

profile from the "Administrator group" and bring it back to its original

group.

Regards / Mes respects

Guy Castonguay
Parliament Hill, Canada.

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Enterprise software (Claudia)
2. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Farfar, and Proud of It)
3. Re: Enterprise software (Farfar, and Proud of It)
4. Re: Enterprise software (Claudia)
5. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Claudia)
6. Re: Jaws stops talking after clicking some links (Claudia)
7. RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Adrian Spratt)
8. RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
9. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Tom Lange)
10. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Robbie Miller)
11. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Tom Lange)
12. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Farfar, and Proud of It)
13. RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Bissett, Tom)
14. Re: Enterprise software (Karen Hughes)
15. Re: Enterprise software (Farfar, and Proud of It)
16. Re: Enterprise software (Farfar, and Proud of It)
17. JAWS Dongle not working on college PC (Niall Gallagher)
18. RE: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC (Bissett, Tom)
19. Re: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC (Niall Gallagher)
20. Re: Enterprise software (Chris Smart)
21. RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Dave Grossoehme)
22. Karen -- Your Alternative Solution (Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)
23. Karen -- Your Alternative Solution (Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)
24. Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
(Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)
25. RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution (Fred Adams)
26. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Gary King)
27. Re: Enterprise software (Gary King)
28. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Gary King)
29. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (dennis)
30. RE: Enterprise software (Marquette, Ed)
31. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Gary King)
32. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)
33. Re: Enterprise software (Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:49:38 -0500
From: Claudia <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <4F8D0472.5020408@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably
an understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity.
In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven
by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what
you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to
work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for
the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and
safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that
have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:51:44 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <69F540F1FC8049DE9BA426BC09AFBB60@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:52:47 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <6B039F1E92DB406F8004DA3E5307CC70@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Have any of these so-called helpful people bothered to call Freedom
Scientific to get their help?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:49
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably
an understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity.
In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven
by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what
you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to
work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for
the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and
safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that
have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:58:07 -0500
From: Claudia <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <4F8D066F.9010102@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi,

I do feel that this discussion needs to be had. In my personal
situation, I honestly am to the point of wanting to quit. My last job
was a breeze, compared to the new position I accepted and began on March
5.
I have run into nothing but problems, in terms of accessibility to
employer-related data bases. I have had very limited success in
accessing what I need to access, in order to serve my clients.
I work for a state entity and took this job, because of the benefits
involved. I thought I was trying to get my family further ahead
financially, but the emotional toll this is taking is truly affecting my
mental well-being.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 11:28 PM, brad wrote:
NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LIST. I WAS BEGINNING TO THINK I GOT SOME
SORT
OF
E-MAIL VIRUS SPAM OR SOMETHING


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Enterprise software

Please find out and publish how many blind employees any of these
companies
have, and what their general responsibilities are.

Do you understand the business practices of these companies? Do you
understand the massive resources at their disposal to create severe
anti-competitive conditions in the market? Abetted by customer
management?

Do you understand why there is a movement called "Access built in"
that
some
leaders of disability advocacy feel is the ONLY way to get "real"
accessibility in such products?

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:52:06 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Dave Mitchell"
<mitch@orbitelcom.com>)
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Dude, Please take it off list or show us how to do it with your own
company or both. Thank you.
...


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 01:32:25 -0500
From: Claudia <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <4F8D0E79.8030306@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:15:04 -0500
From: Claudia <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws stops talking after clicking some links
Message-ID: <4F8D1878.9070006@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

This also happens to me in Jaws 12, on my personal computer.

Claudia


On 4/2/2012 9:25 PM, Robert Logue wrote:
Jaws 13 sometimes stops talking when I click a link in IE8. I am able
to start Narrator but am not able to navigate my computer. But, when
I press the power button to shut down, Jaws starts talking. Weird.

Haven't reproduced this yet.

Bob

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:20:09 -0400
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <C5355803711F402696121F0B4EFAE78D@ADRIAN01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Claudia,

I use JAWS 13 and XP Pro. For me, as Dave Carlson says, the log-in
screen
is spoken by JAWS. However, I know that being part of a network can
affect
JAWS' behavior. I have a faint recollection that at some point during my
office life, I had to use other clues to determine when to type in my
user
name and network password. I remember listening for the floppy drive to
click in. If there was a lot of noise around, I would rest the tips of
my
fingers on the computer in order to feel the change. I doubt you have a
floppy drive, but try to find other clues about the progress of the
computer's booting-up process. It could be that the computer goes quiet,
having done what it can until you trigger the next stage by signing in.

As Dave also suggested, you should encourage your tech staff to contact
FS.
You might even call FS yourself to ask if they'd be willing to take the
initiative of contacting your tech people. Be sure to have a name and
contact info ready at hand. FS should be able to help resolve the video
intercept problem you're experiencing. If the particular FS rep you
speak to
isn't helpful, ask for Bryan Carver. (This is how he spells his name.)
In my
experience and that of others, he is an effective advocate for the
workplace
needs of FS's customers.

What model of PC do you have at work?

I had several fights with the tech people at my former office, so I more
than understand your frustration. However, I'm confident you will find
the
particular problems you're having can and will be fixed. It's a terrible
way
to start a new job, but I hope you will outlast this stage so that you
can
soon focus on the work itself.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control
Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws
for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the
user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on
the local drive. It may require a local installation because some
components might need registering with the operating system such as
DLL files. A remote install just dumping files into the program files
directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not the other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall this component. Of course, we have attempted installation
several times, without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this either.

Claudia


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:46:07 -0400
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID:
<51B63D642D83CF44AE7588F8A4866CED224D52D7@AGMBX03.eas.ds.ky.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I haven't a clue on the network issues, but I can say that 13 works with
XP Pro and Media Center editions (the latter is just Pro with a fancy
overlay). I used it here for several weeks before going to 7, and I'm
using it at home.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:21 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall this component. Of course, we have attempted installation
several times, without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this either.

Claudia


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:29:05 -0700
From: Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <8E957842977A4801A7AEFC44C84D53E9@DBPFFH91>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

Hi,
At my previous job, all of our machines were XP Pro, all networked, and
all,
with the exception of a couple that were used by upper management,
running
JAWS.

JAWS was installed locally on each machine rather than pushed across
the
network, though it used a network license. On all of these machines,
the
login window was completely accessible.

So, if I were you, I'd have one of your company's I.T. guys pay you a
visit,
completely uninstall JAWS, including shared components, reinstall JAWS
and,
I might add, do all of this while the I.T. guy has Freedom tech support
on
the phone to assist with such matters as the video intercept issue if it
arises.


Tom


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control
Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt
that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab
through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either
a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A
remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:29:47 -0500
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <A7A245C43FEC4E8AB978F11AEA1CA489@robbie1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control
Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt
that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab
through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either
a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A
remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:31:09 -0700
From: Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <D8822EC1C1404DCBA0B7E0AAE80F9EB7@DBPFFH91>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Hi,
Well said. Hang in there, Claudia.

Tom


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:20 AM
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Claudia,

I use JAWS 13 and XP Pro. For me, as Dave Carlson says, the log-in
screen
is spoken by JAWS. However, I know that being part of a network can
affect
JAWS' behavior. I have a faint recollection that at some point during
my
office life, I had to use other clues to determine when to type in my
user
name and network password. I remember listening for the floppy drive
to
click in. If there was a lot of noise around, I would rest the tips of
my
fingers on the computer in order to feel the change. I doubt you have
a
floppy drive, but try to find other clues about the progress of the
computer's booting-up process. It could be that the computer goes
quiet,
having done what it can until you trigger the next stage by signing
in.

As Dave also suggested, you should encourage your tech staff to
contact
FS.
You might even call FS yourself to ask if they'd be willing to take
the
initiative of contacting your tech people. Be sure to have a name and
contact info ready at hand. FS should be able to help resolve the
video
intercept problem you're experiencing. If the particular FS rep you
speak
to
isn't helpful, ask for Bryan Carver. (This is how he spells his name.)
In
my
experience and that of others, he is an effective advocate for the
workplace
needs of FS's customers.

What model of PC do you have at work?

I had several fights with the tech people at my former office, so I
more
than understand your frustration. However, I'm confident you will find
the
particular problems you're having can and will be fixed. It's a
terrible
way
to start a new job, but I hope you will outlast this stage so that you
can
soon focus on the work itself.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control
Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt
that
Jaws
for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab
through
the
user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either
a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on
the local drive. It may require a local installation because some
components might need registering with the operating system such as
DLL files. A remote install just dumping files into the program files
directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not the other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall this component. Of course, we have attempted installation
several times, without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this either.

Claudia


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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:47:49 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <2CEDFA6250F74DE0B07E7F28C275CDEE@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Claudia,

Sighted people will always be able to see the logon screen before JAWS
users
will hear it. It takes about twice as long before JAWS will come up
speaking
that dialog.

Another option is to enable Narrator to start at logon. Have you
considered
that?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 23:32
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:11:35 -0400
From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@bmo.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID:

<C4C4275394269D4C92AD935948D25B9601057D474B@BMFGEXCMBX06.adroot.bmogc.ne
t>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I would expect that the video intersept error may becausing jaws not be
speaking at the logon screen. These types of issues are the reasons
that I
am reluctant to upgrade. I am still on jaws11 even though I have jaws
twelve and thirteen available for install.
Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, and Proud of It
Sent: April 17, 2012 8:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Claudia,

Sighted people will always be able to see the logon screen before JAWS
users
will hear it. It takes about twice as long before JAWS will come up
speaking
that dialog.

Another option is to enable Narrator to start at logon. Have you
considered
that?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 23:32
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:39:33 -0400
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <F8B0EAE1CDB64D0F955C9D42D1733630@userPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was
blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity.
In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits
driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what
you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like
passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to
work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for
the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only
workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating
organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and
safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that
have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:52:51 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <2400AF425EC34A0A8C814D81B2D13249@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over
JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for
example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important
application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was
blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity.
In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits
driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what
you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like
passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to
work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for
the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only
workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating
organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and
safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that
have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:00:41 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <EABE9CA4C0CE4065BE5FB6F7FDE0E4B8@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

My apologies for being vague. The below response is directed to Karen
Hughes, our NVDA advocate. Karen, I solicit your knowledge in addition
to
your opinions.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:52
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over
JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for
example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important
application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was
blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity.
In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits
driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what
you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like
passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to
work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for
the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only
workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating
organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and
safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that
have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:12:42 +0100
From: Niall Gallagher <niall.j.gallagher.91@gmail.com>
To: "jfw@lists.the-jdh.com" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC
Message-ID: <A3E58E68-ED8E-49C5-B778-E0D8A1E48771@gmail.com>
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Hi,,

I am trying to use JAWS 13 on a college computer, but the dongle doesn't

appear to be working.
i am using a thum drive version of JAWS.
It works perfectly on my laaptop and other computers I have tested it
on.

Help?

Niall.

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:21:15 -0400
From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@bmo.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC
Message-ID:

<C4C4275394269D4C92AD935948D25B9601057D48AE@BMFGEXCMBX06.adroot.bmogc.ne
t>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi, Has the colledge disabled the USB ports? Some organizations do
that.

Regards
Tom Bisset
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On Behalf Of Niall Gallagher
Sent: April 17, 2012 10:13 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC

Hi,,

I am trying to use JAWS 13 on a college computer, but the dongle doesn't

appear to be working.
i am using a thum drive version of JAWS.
It works perfectly on my laaptop and other computers I have tested it
on.

Help?

Niall.

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:28:21 +0100
From: Niall Gallagher <niall.j.gallagher.91@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC
Message-ID: <1C048626-3AA0-4C6B-B819-51C4DB443BE9@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

no I don't think they did, flash drives etc work correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@bmo.com> wrote:

Hi, Has the colledge disabled the USB ports? Some organizations do
that.

Regards
Tom Bisset
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On Behalf Of Niall Gallagher
Sent: April 17, 2012 10:13 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC

Hi,,

I am trying to use JAWS 13 on a college computer, but the dongle
doesn't
appear to be working.
i am using a thum drive version of JAWS.
It works perfectly on my laaptop and other computers I have tested it
on.

Help?

Niall.

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:49:24 -0400
From: Chris Smart <csmart8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <44f866$9jgupb@fipsb01.cogeco.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

have any of the I T people contacted Freedom Scientific directly?

At 01:58 AM 4/17/2012, you wrote:
Hi,

I do feel that this discussion needs to be had. In my personal
situation, I honestly am to the point of wanting to quit. My last
job was a breeze, compared to the new position I accepted and
began on March 5.
I have run into nothing but problems, in terms of accessibility to
employer-related data bases. I have had very limited success in
accessing what I need to access, in order to serve my clients.
I work for a state entity and took this job, because of the
benefits involved. I thought I was trying to get my family
further ahead financially, but the emotional toll this is taking
is truly affecting my mental well-being.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 11:28 PM, brad wrote:
NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LIST. I WAS BEGINNING TO THINK I GOT
SOME SORT OF
E-MAIL VIRUS SPAM OR SOMETHING


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On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Enterprise software

Please find out and publish how many blind employees any of these
companies
have, and what their general responsibilities are.

Do you understand the business practices of these companies? Do you
understand the massive resources at their disposal to create severe
anti-competitive conditions in the market? Abetted by customer
management?

Do you understand why there is a movement called "Access built
in" that some
leaders of disability advocacy feel is the ONLY way to get "real"
accessibility in such products?

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:52:06 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Dave Mitchell"
<mitch@orbitelcom.com>)
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Dude, Please take it off list or show us how to do it with your own
company or both. Thank you.
...


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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:53:26 -0500
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@cox.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <000601cd1cb2$3a120bb0$ae362310$@cox.net>
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I'd question where the company is loading Jaws for you. Are they
loading
the program in all users or in your user file. I worked for a company
last
year and every tijme Jaws was loaded in All Users it wouldn't work
correctly.
Your Friend Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, and Proud of It
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:28:28 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "JFW Mailing List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
Message-ID: <012BD2C657694180A12306CE08B9B058@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Karen,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight
the
comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference)
and
give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would make
sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post
in a
sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

I am sincerely interested. Thanks!

Dave Carlson
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:31:43 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
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Karen Hughes,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight
the
comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference)
and
give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would make
sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post
in a
sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit





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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:34:56 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
Message-ID: <A238C9A81A724BABA2428194D7FE6B24@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Sorry for the duplication. First message didn't appear to go through --
and
then by gosh, it finally did.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:31
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


Karen Hughes,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight
the
comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference)
and
give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would make
sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post
in a
sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit



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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:15:54 -0400
From: "Fred Adams" <w4hc@tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
Message-ID: <000601cd1cce$82e181b0$88a48510$@tampabay.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Dave, could you give me info on how to unsubscribe from this list? I
had
some work on my computer and lost all of my subscription info. I need
to
unsubscribe temp. Thanks much,

FRED ADAMS W4HC

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On Behalf Of Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Karen Hughes,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight
the
comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference)
and
give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would make
sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post
in a
sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

Dave Carlson
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Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit



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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:12:44 -0500
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <5086C238D4394853A24274DE178276E1@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

Trying to fix a video intercept problem with JAWS running never worked
for
me. I found that I had to shut down JAWS and use either Narrator or
NVDA to
reinstall the Video Intercept.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the
jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt
that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab
through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either
a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A
remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me,
but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and
password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:27:47 -0500
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <711287C1A16C4D3B9DBC83AEF8729F28@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Dave,
I'm afraid that the problem with NVDA and other free solutions is that
you
don't get the same level of automatic feedback that you do with JAWS.
The
last time I tried NVDA with Excel, it read the contents of the cells and
the
cell coordinates, but not the column and row titles. That was a
show-stopper for me.

For people who can't afford a commercial screen reader and who are using
a
computer at home for entertainment, a free screen reader will suffice,
but
if they want to be productive on the job, they will have to pay the
price.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over
JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for
example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important
application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your
experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because
I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was
blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee
passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits
driven
by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what
you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like
passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to
work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for
the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only
workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating
organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and
safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that
have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the
company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard
interface.
...


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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:05:03 -0500
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <659E8156A50842AFBA77705DCCDD1AC2@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Claudia,
I agree with others on the list who have suggested that you contact your
IT
people and ask them to get help from Freedom Scientific with your
problems.
As long as you have the Pro version of JAWS, it should work and should
speak
the log-on screen if it is set to start automatically. I'm not sure
they
can install it in the way they are attempting to do it though. In any
case,
I don't think the problems will be solved without help from FS.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:20 AM
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy
this either.

Claudia


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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:28:50 -0500
From: "dennis" <dennis.cornelison@trinitycounseling.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <94acc38ea3d76b469c35d350221c0e55@smtp.hushmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

how do you do that seperate from jaws. i'm having that issue at home and
would love to fix it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Trying to fix a video intercept problem with JAWS running never worked
for
me. I found that I had to shut down JAWS and use either Narrator or
NVDA
to reinstall the Video Intercept.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same
video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the
jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt
that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab
through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in
either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that
are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on
the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A
remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will
not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me,
but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by
the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and
password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:42:45 -0500
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Enterprise software
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Gary is 100% correct. For instance, try figuring out revisions in a
Word
document which contains track changes with NVDA. Doesn't even get to
first
base.


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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:28 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Enterprise software

Dave,
I'm afraid that the problem with NVDA and other free solutions is that
you
don't get the same level of automatic feedback that you do with JAWS.
The
last time I tried NVDA with Excel, it read the contents of the cells and
the
cell coordinates, but not the column and row titles. That was a
show-stopper for me.

For people who can't afford a commercial screen reader and who are using
a
computer at home for entertainment, a free screen reader will suffice,
but
if they want to be productive on the job, they will have to pay the
price.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over
JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for
example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important
application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your
experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because
I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was
blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee
passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits
driven
by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what
you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like
passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to
work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for
the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only
workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating
organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and
safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that
have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the
company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard
interface.
...


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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:53:37 -0500
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
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Dennis,
If you know how to use either Narrator or NVDA, you first shut down JAWS
and
then start the other screen reader. When you are running XP, there is a
Video Intercept Manager under the Tools Menu of JAWS in the Startup
Menu.
Use the Video Intercept Manager to reinstall the Video Intercept and
restart
your computer. Another user said he had solved the problem with a JAWS
repair, so you might also give that a try.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "dennis" <dennis.cornelison@trinitycounseling.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


how do you do that seperate from jaws. i'm having that issue at home
and
would love to fix it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Trying to fix a video intercept problem with JAWS running never
worked
for me. I found that I had to shut down JAWS and use either Narrator
or
NVDA to reinstall the Video Intercept.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same
video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the
jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt
that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab
through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in
either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that
are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure
that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on
the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A
remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will
not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is
installed,
not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me,
but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by
the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and
password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:26 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <CAC71AAD3213463486C72CFF442B6140@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Gary and Others, thanks for the tip. I would like to make sure that
everyone
running Windows 7 understands that they will not have a Video Intercept
Manager, since a mirror driver is used in Windows 7. This information is
relevant to Window XP, as the subject line indicates.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:53
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Dennis,
If you know how to use either Narrator or NVDA, you first shut down JAWS
and
then start the other screen reader. When you are running XP, there is a
Video Intercept Manager under the Tools Menu of JAWS in the Startup
Menu.
Use the Video Intercept Manager to reinstall the Video Intercept and
restart
your computer. Another user said he had solved the problem with a JAWS
repair, so you might also give that a try.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "dennis" <dennis.cornelison@trinitycounseling.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


how do you do that seperate from jaws. i'm having that issue at home
and
would love to fix it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Trying to fix a video intercept problem with JAWS running never
worked
for me. I found that I had to shut down JAWS and use either Narrator
or
NVDA to reinstall the Video Intercept.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same
video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the
jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt
that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab
through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in
either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that
are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a
Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure
that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on
the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A
remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will
not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is
installed,
not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me,
but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by
the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and
password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this
either.

Claudia


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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:07:47 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <77B3862230FE422AB836C7F7F8053B24@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Gary,

I suspected as much, and thank you and Ed for the insights. I hope that
we'll hear from Karen to see if there is anything else she can share
about
her personal experiences with NVDA.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


Dave,
I'm afraid that the problem with NVDA and other free solutions is that
you
don't get the same level of automatic feedback that you do with JAWS.
The
last time I tried NVDA with Excel, it read the contents of the cells and
the
cell coordinates, but not the column and row titles. That was a
show-stopper for me.

For people who can't afford a commercial screen reader and who are using
a
computer at home for entertainment, a free screen reader will suffice,
but
if they want to be productive on the job, they will have to pay the
price.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over
JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for
example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important
application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your
experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because
I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was
blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee
passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits
driven
by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what
you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like
passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to
work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for
the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only
workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating
organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and
safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that
have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the
company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard
interface.
...


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Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

In most large organizations the user does not have administrative rights and are severely restricted in what they can do on their computer. It is necessary to be sure you have all the rights needed to install and configure jaws to avoid all the subsequent pitfalls.
In XP it is "start jaws automatically". This starts jaws as a service. If the organization restricts what services can be running this may not work.
You really need to know what permissions the administrators have given, it can save so much frustration.
Regards
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar, Nothing to Get Hung About
Sent: April 18, 2012 12:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Guy,

Sounds pretty complicated. I've never needed to jump through hoops like that
on either of my work-based computers.

Also I wonder if that special "start JAWS at the logon screen" is available
under an XP installation, or just in Windows 7? I thought I recently looked
on my XP machine and did not find it there. It certainly is there with JAWS
13 on this Windows 7 machine. And on both my work-based Windows 7 and XP Pro
machines, I get full speech during my logon screens (accessed with the
Ctrl+Alt+Delete keystroke).

Can you check again your instructions -- I'm always willing to learn that
I'm wrong, to the benefit of others.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: <guy.castonguay@parl.gc.ca>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 09:42
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Hi Claudia,
Here are the steps that your IT personnel must go through when installing on
a large network. First of all, they must add your profile to the
administrator group. Once this is done, you may log in using your user name
and password. Make sure to have all the JAWS components and folders
uninstalled and re start the install fresh but it must be done locally. Once
it has been installed successfully. Make sure that the option "Start JAWS at
the logon screen" is checked. This can be found on the second screen of the
JAWS start-up wizard. You will find that wizard in the help menu. .
Once you are sure that the voice works at the log on screen, remove your
profile from the "Administrator group" and bring it back to its original
group.

Regards / Mes respects

Guy Castonguay
Parliament Hill, Canada.

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Enterprise software (Claudia)
2. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Farfar, and Proud of It)
3. Re: Enterprise software (Farfar, and Proud of It)
4. Re: Enterprise software (Claudia)
5. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Claudia)
6. Re: Jaws stops talking after clicking some links (Claudia)
7. RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Adrian Spratt)
8. RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS))
9. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Tom Lange)
10. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Robbie Miller)
11. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Tom Lange)
12. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Farfar, and Proud of It)
13. RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Bissett, Tom)
14. Re: Enterprise software (Karen Hughes)
15. Re: Enterprise software (Farfar, and Proud of It)
16. Re: Enterprise software (Farfar, and Proud of It)
17. JAWS Dongle not working on college PC (Niall Gallagher)
18. RE: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC (Bissett, Tom)
19. Re: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC (Niall Gallagher)
20. Re: Enterprise software (Chris Smart)
21. RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Dave Grossoehme)
22. Karen -- Your Alternative Solution (Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)
23. Karen -- Your Alternative Solution (Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)
24. Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
(Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)
25. RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution (Fred Adams)
26. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Gary King)
27. Re: Enterprise software (Gary King)
28. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Gary King)
29. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (dennis)
30. RE: Enterprise software (Marquette, Ed)
31. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Gary King)
32. Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro? (Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)
33. Re: Enterprise software (Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:49:38 -0500
From: Claudia <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <4F8D0472.5020408@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably
an understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity, and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:51:44 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <69F540F1FC8049DE9BA426BC09AFBB60@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:52:47 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <6B039F1E92DB406F8004DA3E5307CC70@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Have any of these so-called helpful people bothered to call Freedom
Scientific to get their help?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:49
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably
an understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity, and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:58:07 -0500
From: Claudia <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <4F8D066F.9010102@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi,

I do feel that this discussion needs to be had. In my personal
situation, I honestly am to the point of wanting to quit. My last job
was a breeze, compared to the new position I accepted and began on March 5.
I have run into nothing but problems, in terms of accessibility to
employer-related data bases. I have had very limited success in
accessing what I need to access, in order to serve my clients.
I work for a state entity and took this job, because of the benefits
involved. I thought I was trying to get my family further ahead
financially, but the emotional toll this is taking is truly affecting my
mental well-being.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 11:28 PM, brad wrote:
NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LIST. I WAS BEGINNING TO THINK I GOT SOME SORT
OF
E-MAIL VIRUS SPAM OR SOMETHING


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Enterprise software

Please find out and publish how many blind employees any of these
companies
have, and what their general responsibilities are.

Do you understand the business practices of these companies? Do you
understand the massive resources at their disposal to create severe
anti-competitive conditions in the market? Abetted by customer management?

Do you understand why there is a movement called "Access built in" that
some
leaders of disability advocacy feel is the ONLY way to get "real"
accessibility in such products?

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:52:06 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Dave Mitchell"
<mitch@orbitelcom.com>)
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Dude, Please take it off list or show us how to do it with your own
company or both. Thank you.
...


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 01:32:25 -0500
From: Claudia <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <4F8D0E79.8030306@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:15:04 -0500
From: Claudia <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws stops talking after clicking some links
Message-ID: <4F8D1878.9070006@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

This also happens to me in Jaws 12, on my personal computer.

Claudia


On 4/2/2012 9:25 PM, Robert Logue wrote:
Jaws 13 sometimes stops talking when I click a link in IE8. I am able
to start Narrator but am not able to navigate my computer. But, when
I press the power button to shut down, Jaws starts talking. Weird.

Haven't reproduced this yet.

Bob

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:20:09 -0400
From: Adrian Spratt <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <C5355803711F402696121F0B4EFAE78D@ADRIAN01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Claudia,

I use JAWS 13 and XP Pro. For me, as Dave Carlson says, the log-in screen
is spoken by JAWS. However, I know that being part of a network can affect
JAWS' behavior. I have a faint recollection that at some point during my
office life, I had to use other clues to determine when to type in my user
name and network password. I remember listening for the floppy drive to
click in. If there was a lot of noise around, I would rest the tips of my
fingers on the computer in order to feel the change. I doubt you have a
floppy drive, but try to find other clues about the progress of the
computer's booting-up process. It could be that the computer goes quiet,
having done what it can until you trigger the next stage by signing in.

As Dave also suggested, you should encourage your tech staff to contact FS.
You might even call FS yourself to ask if they'd be willing to take the
initiative of contacting your tech people. Be sure to have a name and
contact info ready at hand. FS should be able to help resolve the video
intercept problem you're experiencing. If the particular FS rep you speak to
isn't helpful, ask for Bryan Carver. (This is how he spells his name.) In my
experience and that of others, he is an effective advocate for the workplace
needs of FS's customers.

What model of PC do you have at work?

I had several fights with the tech people at my former office, so I more
than understand your frustration. However, I'm confident you will find the
particular problems you're having can and will be fixed. It's a terrible way
to start a new job, but I hope you will outlast this stage so that you can
soon focus on the work itself.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the Control
Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that Jaws
for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through the
user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on
the local drive. It may require a local installation because some
components might need registering with the operating system such as
DLL files. A remote install just dumping files into the program files
directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not the other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall this component. Of course, we have attempted installation
several times, without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this either.

Claudia


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:46:07 -0400
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID:
<51B63D642D83CF44AE7588F8A4866CED224D52D7@AGMBX03.eas.ds.ky.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I haven't a clue on the network issues, but I can say that 13 works with
XP Pro and Media Center editions (the latter is just Pro with a fancy
overlay). I used it here for several weeks before going to 7, and I'm
using it at home.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:21 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall this component. Of course, we have attempted installation
several times, without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this either.

Claudia


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:29:05 -0700
From: Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <8E957842977A4801A7AEFC44C84D53E9@DBPFFH91>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

Hi,
At my previous job, all of our machines were XP Pro, all networked, and all,
with the exception of a couple that were used by upper management, running
JAWS.

JAWS was installed locally on each machine rather than pushed across the
network, though it used a network license. On all of these machines, the
login window was completely accessible.

So, if I were you, I'd have one of your company's I.T. guys pay you a visit,
completely uninstall JAWS, including shared components, reinstall JAWS and,
I might add, do all of this while the I.T. guy has Freedom tech support on
the phone to assist with such matters as the video intercept issue if it
arises.


Tom


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the Control
Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:29:47 -0500
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <A7A245C43FEC4E8AB978F11AEA1CA489@robbie1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the Control
Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:31:09 -0700
From: Tom Lange <lange85@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <D8822EC1C1404DCBA0B7E0AAE80F9EB7@DBPFFH91>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Hi,
Well said. Hang in there, Claudia.

Tom


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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:20 AM
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Claudia,

I use JAWS 13 and XP Pro. For me, as Dave Carlson says, the log-in screen
is spoken by JAWS. However, I know that being part of a network can affect
JAWS' behavior. I have a faint recollection that at some point during my
office life, I had to use other clues to determine when to type in my
user
name and network password. I remember listening for the floppy drive to
click in. If there was a lot of noise around, I would rest the tips of my
fingers on the computer in order to feel the change. I doubt you have a
floppy drive, but try to find other clues about the progress of the
computer's booting-up process. It could be that the computer goes quiet,
having done what it can until you trigger the next stage by signing in.

As Dave also suggested, you should encourage your tech staff to contact
FS.
You might even call FS yourself to ask if they'd be willing to take the
initiative of contacting your tech people. Be sure to have a name and
contact info ready at hand. FS should be able to help resolve the video
intercept problem you're experiencing. If the particular FS rep you speak
to
isn't helpful, ask for Bryan Carver. (This is how he spells his name.) In
my
experience and that of others, he is an effective advocate for the
workplace
needs of FS's customers.

What model of PC do you have at work?

I had several fights with the tech people at my former office, so I more
than understand your frustration. However, I'm confident you will find the
particular problems you're having can and will be fixed. It's a terrible
way
to start a new job, but I hope you will outlast this stage so that you can
soon focus on the work itself.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:32 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the Control
Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws
for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the
user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on
the local drive. It may require a local installation because some
components might need registering with the operating system such as
DLL files. A remote install just dumping files into the program files
directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not the other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall this component. Of course, we have attempted installation
several times, without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this either.

Claudia


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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:47:49 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <2CEDFA6250F74DE0B07E7F28C275CDEE@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Claudia,

Sighted people will always be able to see the logon screen before JAWS users
will hear it. It takes about twice as long before JAWS will come up speaking
that dialog.

Another option is to enable Narrator to start at logon. Have you considered
that?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 23:32
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:11:35 -0400
From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@bmo.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID:
<C4C4275394269D4C92AD935948D25B9601057D474B@BMFGEXCMBX06.adroot.bmogc.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I would expect that the video intersept error may becausing jaws not be
speaking at the logon screen. These types of issues are the reasons that I
am reluctant to upgrade. I am still on jaws11 even though I have jaws
twelve and thirteen available for install.
Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, and Proud of It
Sent: April 17, 2012 8:48 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Claudia,

Sighted people will always be able to see the logon screen before JAWS users
will hear it. It takes about twice as long before JAWS will come up speaking
that dialog.

Another option is to enable Narrator to start at logon. Have you considered
that?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 23:32
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:39:33 -0400
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <F8B0EAE1CDB64D0F955C9D42D1733630@userPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues, regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:52:51 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <2400AF425EC34A0A8C814D81B2D13249@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues, regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:00:41 -0700
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <EABE9CA4C0CE4065BE5FB6F7FDE0E4B8@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

My apologies for being vague. The below response is directed to Karen
Hughes, our NVDA advocate. Karen, I solicit your knowledge in addition to
your opinions.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:52
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues, regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:12:42 +0100
From: Niall Gallagher <niall.j.gallagher.91@gmail.com>
To: "jfw@lists.the-jdh.com" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC
Message-ID: <A3E58E68-ED8E-49C5-B778-E0D8A1E48771@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi,,

I am trying to use JAWS 13 on a college computer, but the dongle doesn't
appear to be working.
i am using a thum drive version of JAWS.
It works perfectly on my laaptop and other computers I have tested it on.

Help?

Niall.

Sent from my iPhone


------------------------------

Message: 18
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:21:15 -0400
From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@bmo.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC
Message-ID:
<C4C4275394269D4C92AD935948D25B9601057D48AE@BMFGEXCMBX06.adroot.bmogc.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi, Has the colledge disabled the USB ports? Some organizations do that.

Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Niall Gallagher
Sent: April 17, 2012 10:13 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC

Hi,,

I am trying to use JAWS 13 on a college computer, but the dongle doesn't
appear to be working.
i am using a thum drive version of JAWS.
It works perfectly on my laaptop and other computers I have tested it on.

Help?

Niall.

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:28:21 +0100
From: Niall Gallagher <niall.j.gallagher.91@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC
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no I don't think they did, flash drives etc work correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@bmo.com> wrote:

Hi, Has the colledge disabled the USB ports? Some organizations do that.

Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Niall Gallagher
Sent: April 17, 2012 10:13 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: JAWS Dongle not working on college PC

Hi,,

I am trying to use JAWS 13 on a college computer, but the dongle doesn't
appear to be working.
i am using a thum drive version of JAWS.
It works perfectly on my laaptop and other computers I have tested it on.

Help?

Niall.

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:49:24 -0400
From: Chris Smart <csmart8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <44f866$9jgupb@fipsb01.cogeco.net>
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have any of the I T people contacted Freedom Scientific directly?

At 01:58 AM 4/17/2012, you wrote:
Hi,

I do feel that this discussion needs to be had. In my personal
situation, I honestly am to the point of wanting to quit. My last
job was a breeze, compared to the new position I accepted and
began on March 5.
I have run into nothing but problems, in terms of accessibility to
employer-related data bases. I have had very limited success in
accessing what I need to access, in order to serve my clients.
I work for a state entity and took this job, because of the
benefits involved. I thought I was trying to get my family
further ahead financially, but the emotional toll this is taking
is truly affecting my mental well-being.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 11:28 PM, brad wrote:
NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LIST. I WAS BEGINNING TO THINK I GOT
SOME SORT OF
E-MAIL VIRUS SPAM OR SOMETHING


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
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On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Enterprise software

Please find out and publish how many blind employees any of these
companies
have, and what their general responsibilities are.

Do you understand the business practices of these companies? Do you
understand the massive resources at their disposal to create severe
anti-competitive conditions in the market? Abetted by customer
management?

Do you understand why there is a movement called "Access built
in" that some
leaders of disability advocacy feel is the ONLY way to get "real"
accessibility in such products?

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:52:06 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Dave Mitchell"
<mitch@orbitelcom.com>)
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Dude, Please take it off list or show us how to do it with your own
company or both. Thank you.
...


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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:53:26 -0500
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <davegross1@cox.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
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I'd question where the company is loading Jaws for you. Are they loading
the program in all users or in your user file. I worked for a company last
year and every tijme Jaws was loaded in All Users it wouldn't work
correctly.
Your Friend Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, and Proud of It
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:28:28 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "JFW Mailing List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
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Karen,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight the
comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference) and
give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would make
sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post in a
sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

I am sincerely interested. Thanks!

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:31:43 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
Message-ID: <1A0AB799458B415DA153DD8E86A95D09@symmetricom.com>
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Karen Hughes,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight the
comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference) and
give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would make
sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post in a
sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit





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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:34:56 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
Message-ID: <A238C9A81A724BABA2428194D7FE6B24@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Sorry for the duplication. First message didn't appear to go through -- and
then by gosh, it finally did.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:31
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


Karen Hughes,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight the
comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference) and
give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would make
sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post in a
sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit



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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:15:54 -0400
From: "Fred Adams" <w4hc@tampabay.rr.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution
Message-ID: <000601cd1cce$82e181b0$88a48510$@tampabay.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Dave, could you give me info on how to unsubscribe from this list? I had
some work on my computer and lost all of my subscription info. I need to
unsubscribe temp. Thanks much,

FRED ADAMS W4HC

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Karen Hughes,

You've been a staunch advocate of not updating JAWS and seeking out the
alternatives that are available at no cost, such as NVDA.

After your recent suggestion, I've asked politely if you would highlight the
comparisons between JAWS and NVDA (we know about the price difference) and
give us some perspective, from your experience, as to why it would make
sense to not continue to purchase JAWS upgrades.

Looking back at past messages, I've noticed that you occasionally post in a
sort of "shoot and run" to suggest your opinions on no-cost or low-cost
alternatives to JAWS and FS, but I have failed to see any substantive
information to support your point of view in follow-up messages.

So I throw down the gauntlet, so to speak and ask for you to give us
something to "chew on" with regard using NVDA in lieu of JAWS in the
Enterprise environment.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit



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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:12:44 -0500
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <5086C238D4394853A24274DE178276E1@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

Trying to fix a video intercept problem with JAWS running never worked for
me. I found that I had to shut down JAWS and use either Narrator or NVDA to
reinstall the Video Intercept.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows
7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:27:47 -0500
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
Message-ID: <711287C1A16C4D3B9DBC83AEF8729F28@Gary0>
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Dave,
I'm afraid that the problem with NVDA and other free solutions is that you
don't get the same level of automatic feedback that you do with JAWS. The
last time I tried NVDA with Excel, it read the contents of the cells and the
cell coordinates, but not the column and row titles. That was a
show-stopper for me.

For people who can't afford a commercial screen reader and who are using a
computer at home for entertainment, a free screen reader will suffice, but
if they want to be productive on the job, they will have to pay the price.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for
example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important
application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven
by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:05:03 -0500
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <659E8156A50842AFBA77705DCCDD1AC2@Gary0>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Claudia,
I agree with others on the list who have suggested that you contact your IT
people and ask them to get help from Freedom Scientific with your problems.
As long as you have the Pro version of JAWS, it should work and should speak
the log-on screen if it is set to start automatically. I'm not sure they
can install it in the way they are attempting to do it though. In any case,
I don't think the problems will be solved without help from FS.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:20 AM
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this either.

Claudia


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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:28:50 -0500
From: "dennis" <dennis.cornelison@trinitycounseling.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <94acc38ea3d76b469c35d350221c0e55@smtp.hushmail.com>
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how do you do that seperate from jaws. i'm having that issue at home and
would love to fix it.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Trying to fix a video intercept problem with JAWS running never worked for
me. I found that I had to shut down JAWS and use either Narrator or NVDA
to reinstall the Video Intercept.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not
the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy
this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:42:45 -0500
From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Enterprise software
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Gary is 100% correct. For instance, try figuring out revisions in a Word
document which contains track changes with NVDA. Doesn't even get to first
base.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:28 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Enterprise software

Dave,
I'm afraid that the problem with NVDA and other free solutions is that you
don't get the same level of automatic feedback that you do with JAWS. The
last time I tried NVDA with Excel, it read the contents of the cells and the
cell coordinates, but not the column and row titles. That was a
show-stopper for me.

For people who can't afford a commercial screen reader and who are using a
computer at home for entertainment, a free screen reader will suffice, but
if they want to be productive on the job, they will have to pay the price.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for
example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important
application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven
by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:53:37 -0500
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
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Dennis,
If you know how to use either Narrator or NVDA, you first shut down JAWS and
then start the other screen reader. When you are running XP, there is a
Video Intercept Manager under the Tools Menu of JAWS in the Startup Menu.
Use the Video Intercept Manager to reinstall the Video Intercept and restart
your computer. Another user said he had solved the problem with a JAWS
repair, so you might also give that a try.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "dennis" <dennis.cornelison@trinitycounseling.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


how do you do that seperate from jaws. i'm having that issue at home and
would love to fix it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Trying to fix a video intercept problem with JAWS running never worked
for me. I found that I had to shut down JAWS and use either Narrator or
NVDA to reinstall the Video Intercept.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this
either.

Claudia


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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:03:26 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?
Message-ID: <CAC71AAD3213463486C72CFF442B6140@symmetricom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Gary and Others, thanks for the tip. I would like to make sure that everyone
running Windows 7 understands that they will not have a Video Intercept
Manager, since a mirror driver is used in Windows 7. This information is
relevant to Window XP, as the subject line indicates.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:53
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Dennis,
If you know how to use either Narrator or NVDA, you first shut down JAWS and
then start the other screen reader. When you are running XP, there is a
Video Intercept Manager under the Tools Menu of JAWS in the Startup Menu.
Use the Video Intercept Manager to reinstall the Video Intercept and restart
your computer. Another user said he had solved the problem with a JAWS
repair, so you might also give that a try.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "dennis" <dennis.cornelison@trinitycounseling.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


how do you do that seperate from jaws. i'm having that issue at home and
would love to fix it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@bellsouth.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Trying to fix a video intercept problem with JAWS running never worked
for me. I found that I had to shut down JAWS and use either Narrator or
NVDA to reinstall the Video Intercept.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Miller" <MillerRobbie@comcast.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


recently installed jaws 13 on my XP Pro laptop, and got the same video
error message.
I solved the problem by running the jaws 13 again, but choosing the jaws
repair option instead of the install option.

I hope this helps you.

Robbie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the
Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that
Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through
the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you
want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or
windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that
all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the
local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components
might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not
work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed,
not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the
Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or
uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several
times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the
IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password,
but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to
remedy this
either.

Claudia


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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:07:47 -0700
From: "Farfar, Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Gary,

I suspected as much, and thank you and Ed for the insights. I hope that
we'll hear from Karen to see if there is anything else she can share about
her personal experiences with NVDA.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


Dave,
I'm afraid that the problem with NVDA and other free solutions is that you
don't get the same level of automatic feedback that you do with JAWS. The
last time I tried NVDA with Excel, it read the contents of the cells and the
cell coordinates, but not the column and row titles. That was a
show-stopper for me.

For people who can't afford a commercial screen reader and who are using a
computer at home for entertainment, a free screen reader will suffice, but
if they want to be productive on the job, they will have to pay the price.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar, and Proud of It" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


No, hadn't given it a moment's thought. What are its advantages over JAWS,
besides the price? Does it have on-line and telephone support, for
example?
How does it do with MS-Excel, which is the second-most important
application
in my job? How does it work with Outlook 2007? Give us your experiences.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 06:39
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


have you tried downloading
n v d a
this is like jaws and free. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact
on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an
understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding
screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to
quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their
adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven
by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity,
and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility
should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally
accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be
very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such
products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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