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moderated Re: saving images from the internet

Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

 

My only comment is for you to be cautious over Copyrights. If you use these on your website or to be somehow publicly used and viewed, where you took them from is basically Copyright infringement of which you can get into trouble and have to pay the owners of the site, financial gains. Write to the owner of the site, contact the company, and ask for permission to copy and use the images from their website. There are so many websites of images that are free to download and use.

 

Best of luck,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sabrina Markel
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 10:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: saving images from the internet

 

I want to save some images from the internet but can't figure out how to save them on my windows 10 laptop with Jaws 2021.


moderated Re: What program is best when it comes to making a system image?

Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nchan@...>
 

I use drivesnapshot. not free but very useable.
I can do remote backup, command line stuff. but if you want the GUI, its also simple and does what it should.
restore, you can either use command or just use the gui.



Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 16:42, David Ingram <dingram269@...> wrote:
Hi list members, i want to make a system image, but i’m not sure which program that i should use.  Are there any accessible programs that are built in that we could use to make a system image?  I want to use this for my c drive.  What program is built in that does this with accessibility for the blind built in.  Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.





moderated What program is best when it comes to making a system image?

David Ingram
 

Hi list members, i want to make a system image, but i’m not sure which program that i should use. Are there any accessible programs that are built in that we could use to make a system image? I want to use this for my c drive. What program is built in that does this with accessibility for the blind built in. Thank you for any information that you might have concerning this question.


moderated Re: saving images from the internet

JM Casey
 

Hey.

 

You should tell us what browsery ou are using, assuming you want to take images from a website. That’s the most important detail for sucha  question.

However if youp lace your cursor on the image and activate the context menu, there will probably be a link there to save an image.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sabrina Markel
Sent: October 11, 2021 10:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: saving images from the internet

 

I want to save some images from the internet but can't figure out how to save them on my windows 10 laptop with Jaws 2021.


moderated saving images from the internet

Sabrina Markel
 

I want to save some images from the internet but can't figure out how to save them on my windows 10 laptop with Jaws 2021.


moderated Re: new laptop

Glen Bracegirdle
 

If your main goal behind getting a new laptop is to run Windows 11 just make sure before you buy it it definitely supports it as I know there are still laptops on the market today that will not support Windows 11.

16 gig of ram should be more than enough

As for brand that more comes to personal preference I would definitely look more at the specs of the machine than brand.

Thanks

Glen

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021, 12:15 pm Marvin Hunkin, <startrektech@...> wrote:

Hi. Got a asuss vivo book x 540 uar laptop running windows 10 64 bit pro, a intel I 3 7 2.3 ghz quad core proecessor with 4 or 6 cores, 8 gb ram, 512 gb ssd. And running jaws 2021 , and jaws 2022 beta and nvda 2021.2. now going for surgery on October 29, and then about 8 weeks later going for radiactive iodenne treatment. Cannot upgrade to windows 11. And was reading an article from windows central the other day, that 21 h2, windows 10 may be the last feature update, maybe security updates, but Microsoft then concentrating all their efforst for developing windows 11. Now. Audio is realtech dolby audio and great audio now need a new laptop and will be taking mine into about mid January. 2022. Now then they take it away for a few weeks to clean. Almost 3 years old this machine. Now. My question is: do I go for a asuss laptop maybe more zen book, and what’s the s model, everyday model and the vivo book. A fast amd or intel 11 th gen processor looking at 16 to 32 gb ram, and also a 1 to 2 tb solid state drive. And do have 512 gb solid state drive. Headphone audio jack as some models don’t have this. Latest ports, camera, good microphone, good base audio speakers. So do I go with a assuss, dyno book, which is toshiba’s new range in Australia, hp, Lenovo, or dell, and they did have a bad reputation a few years back. Are they better now. Looking for expert advice. And need a laptop with a physical num pad, some laptops like the zen book dual was looking at, only a touch screen number pad, soany ideas or thoughts, and in Australia. So any one from Australia on this list.

Thanks.. A 15.6 inch


moderated Re: new laptop

David Diamond
 

The tech who got my newer computer up and running told me not to install 11 just yet, wait till all the bugs are worked out, in essence he said. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: October 11, 2021 8:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: new laptop

 

Exactly, you can get a new laptop any time and why not wait and see what the next Windows 10 update includes. In any case the new Intel and AMD processors are now either released or will be very soon so if you buy a laptop in March or April you can probably get a much better deal on an 11th Gen Intel or AMD Ryzen 5000 series laptop which will then come with Windows 11 preinstalled. I have been looking at high-end Lenovo business laptops here in Canada and while they often say that they come with Windows 10 Pro and include a free upgrade to Windows 11, I haven't seen a single one yet which has Windows 11.  For the most part it will be very late this year and early 2022 when we see more laptops shipping with Windows 11.

Also, just my 2 Cents worth, going from 16 to 32 Gb of RAM is a waste of money which will have little or no benefit for what most of us do and the same goes with the 2 Tb SSD. I have been playing around on the Lenovo site customizing some of the Thinkpads I liked and each upgrade (16 Gb to 32 Gb or RAM) and going from 512 Gb to 1 TB let alone 2 TB SSD) costs hundreds of Dollars. If you make sure your system can still accommodate a regular 2.5 inch hard drive you are much better off getting a 512 Gb SSD for Windows and all your applications and then to have a larger 2 or 4 TB regular hard drive for all your data.

In the end it's all about what you can comfortably spend, if your budget is between $1,000 or $1,500 then there is no point looking at systems which cost twice that much and you will find plenty of systems for under $1,500 even in Australian currency if the market is anything like Canada.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: October 11, 2021 6:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: new laptop

 

Lack of windows 11 support alone seems like a silly reason to upgrade a laptop at the present time.  As long as they keep it secure, what will you be missing? 

In upgrading, you need to really examine what you're actually doing with the machine.  For me, for example, when i look in task manager with 16 gb ram, I find half of it unused most of the time.  I'd never install 32, hibernate takes longer for no benefit to my

use.  Also, processors, once you get past a core I5 or amd equivalent, are not really beneficial unless you're doing very specific tasks.  Imo, save your money unless your computer is giving you a problem, better deals will happen once some of the shortages end.

 

CH

 

On 10/11/2021 20:15, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Hi. Got a asuss vivo book x 540 uar laptop running windows 10 64 bit pro, a intel I 3 7 2.3 ghz quad core proecessor with 4 or 6 cores, 8 gb ram, 512 gb ssd. And running jaws 2021 , and jaws 2022 beta and nvda 2021.2. now going for surgery on October 29, and then about 8 weeks later going for radiactive iodenne treatment. Cannot upgrade to windows 11. And was reading an article from windows central the other day, that 21 h2, windows 10 may be the last feature update, maybe security updates, but Microsoft then concentrating all their efforst for developing windows 11. Now. Audio is realtech dolby audio and great audio now need a new laptop and will be taking mine into about mid January. 2022. Now then they take it away for a few weeks to clean. Almost 3 years old this machine. Now. My question is: do I go for a asuss laptop maybe more zen book, and what’s the s model, everyday model and the vivo book. A fast amd or intel 11 th gen processor looking at 16 to 32 gb ram, and also a 1 to 2 tb solid state drive. And do have 512 gb solid state drive. Headphone audio jack as some models don’t have this. Latest ports, camera, good microphone, good base audio speakers. So do I go with a assuss, dyno book, which is toshiba’s new range in Australia, hp, Lenovo, or dell, and they did have a bad reputation a few years back. Are they better now. Looking for expert advice. And need a laptop with a physical num pad, some laptops like the zen book dual was looking at, only a touch screen number pad, soany ideas or thoughts, and in Australia. So any one from Australia on this list.

Thanks.. A 15.6 inch


moderated Re: new laptop

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Exactly, you can get a new laptop any time and why not wait and see what the next Windows 10 update includes. In any case the new Intel and AMD processors are now either released or will be very soon so if you buy a laptop in March or April you can probably get a much better deal on an 11th Gen Intel or AMD Ryzen 5000 series laptop which will then come with Windows 11 preinstalled. I have been looking at high-end Lenovo business laptops here in Canada and while they often say that they come with Windows 10 Pro and include a free upgrade to Windows 11, I haven't seen a single one yet which has Windows 11.  For the most part it will be very late this year and early 2022 when we see more laptops shipping with Windows 11.

Also, just my 2 Cents worth, going from 16 to 32 Gb of RAM is a waste of money which will have little or no benefit for what most of us do and the same goes with the 2 Tb SSD. I have been playing around on the Lenovo site customizing some of the Thinkpads I liked and each upgrade (16 Gb to 32 Gb or RAM) and going from 512 Gb to 1 TB let alone 2 TB SSD) costs hundreds of Dollars. If you make sure your system can still accommodate a regular 2.5 inch hard drive you are much better off getting a 512 Gb SSD for Windows and all your applications and then to have a larger 2 or 4 TB regular hard drive for all your data.

In the end it's all about what you can comfortably spend, if your budget is between $1,000 or $1,500 then there is no point looking at systems which cost twice that much and you will find plenty of systems for under $1,500 even in Australian currency if the market is anything like Canada.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: October 11, 2021 6:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: new laptop

 

Lack of windows 11 support alone seems like a silly reason to upgrade a laptop at the present time.  As long as they keep it secure, what will you be missing? 

In upgrading, you need to really examine what you're actually doing with the machine.  For me, for example, when i look in task manager with 16 gb ram, I find half of it unused most of the time.  I'd never install 32, hibernate takes longer for no benefit to my

use.  Also, processors, once you get past a core I5 or amd equivalent, are not really beneficial unless you're doing very specific tasks.  Imo, save your money unless your computer is giving you a problem, better deals will happen once some of the shortages end.

 

CH

 

On 10/11/2021 20:15, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Hi. Got a asuss vivo book x 540 uar laptop running windows 10 64 bit pro, a intel I 3 7 2.3 ghz quad core proecessor with 4 or 6 cores, 8 gb ram, 512 gb ssd. And running jaws 2021 , and jaws 2022 beta and nvda 2021.2. now going for surgery on October 29, and then about 8 weeks later going for radiactive iodenne treatment. Cannot upgrade to windows 11. And was reading an article from windows central the other day, that 21 h2, windows 10 may be the last feature update, maybe security updates, but Microsoft then concentrating all their efforst for developing windows 11. Now. Audio is realtech dolby audio and great audio now need a new laptop and will be taking mine into about mid January. 2022. Now then they take it away for a few weeks to clean. Almost 3 years old this machine. Now. My question is: do I go for a asuss laptop maybe more zen book, and what’s the s model, everyday model and the vivo book. A fast amd or intel 11 th gen processor looking at 16 to 32 gb ram, and also a 1 to 2 tb solid state drive. And do have 512 gb solid state drive. Headphone audio jack as some models don’t have this. Latest ports, camera, good microphone, good base audio speakers. So do I go with a assuss, dyno book, which is toshiba’s new range in Australia, hp, Lenovo, or dell, and they did have a bad reputation a few years back. Are they better now. Looking for expert advice. And need a laptop with a physical num pad, some laptops like the zen book dual was looking at, only a touch screen number pad, soany ideas or thoughts, and in Australia. So any one from Australia on this list.

Thanks.. A 15.6 inch


moderated Re: new laptop

Chris Hill
 

Lack of windows 11 support alone seems like a silly reason to upgrade a laptop at the present time.  As long as they keep it secure, what will you be missing? 

In upgrading, you need to really examine what you're actually doing with the machine.  For me, for example, when i look in task manager with 16 gb ram, I find half of it unused most of the time.  I'd never install 32, hibernate takes longer for no benefit to my

use.  Also, processors, once you get past a core I5 or amd equivalent, are not really beneficial unless you're doing very specific tasks.  Imo, save your money unless your computer is giving you a problem, better deals will happen once some of the shortages end.


CH


On 10/11/2021 20:15, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Hi. Got a asuss vivo book x 540 uar laptop running windows 10 64 bit pro, a intel I 3 7 2.3 ghz quad core proecessor with 4 or 6 cores, 8 gb ram, 512 gb ssd. And running jaws 2021 , and jaws 2022 beta and nvda 2021.2. now going for surgery on October 29, and then about 8 weeks later going for radiactive iodenne treatment. Cannot upgrade to windows 11. And was reading an article from windows central the other day, that 21 h2, windows 10 may be the last feature update, maybe security updates, but Microsoft then concentrating all their efforst for developing windows 11. Now. Audio is realtech dolby audio and great audio now need a new laptop and will be taking mine into about mid January. 2022. Now then they take it away for a few weeks to clean. Almost 3 years old this machine. Now. My question is: do I go for a asuss laptop maybe more zen book, and what’s the s model, everyday model and the vivo book. A fast amd or intel 11 th gen processor looking at 16 to 32 gb ram, and also a 1 to 2 tb solid state drive. And do have 512 gb solid state drive. Headphone audio jack as some models don’t have this. Latest ports, camera, good microphone, good base audio speakers. So do I go with a assuss, dyno book, which is toshiba’s new range in Australia, hp, Lenovo, or dell, and they did have a bad reputation a few years back. Are they better now. Looking for expert advice. And need a laptop with a physical num pad, some laptops like the zen book dual was looking at, only a touch screen number pad, soany ideas or thoughts, and in Australia. So any one from Australia on this list.

Thanks.. A 15.6 inch


moderated new laptop

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi. Got a asuss vivo book x 540 uar laptop running windows 10 64 bit pro, a intel I 3 7 2.3 ghz quad core proecessor with 4 or 6 cores, 8 gb ram, 512 gb ssd. And running jaws 2021 , and jaws 2022 beta and nvda 2021.2. now going for surgery on October 29, and then about 8 weeks later going for radiactive iodenne treatment. Cannot upgrade to windows 11. And was reading an article from windows central the other day, that 21 h2, windows 10 may be the last feature update, maybe security updates, but Microsoft then concentrating all their efforst for developing windows 11. Now. Audio is realtech dolby audio and great audio now need a new laptop and will be taking mine into about mid January. 2022. Now then they take it away for a few weeks to clean. Almost 3 years old this machine. Now. My question is: do I go for a asuss laptop maybe more zen book, and what’s the s model, everyday model and the vivo book. A fast amd or intel 11 th gen processor looking at 16 to 32 gb ram, and also a 1 to 2 tb solid state drive. And do have 512 gb solid state drive. Headphone audio jack as some models don’t have this. Latest ports, camera, good microphone, good base audio speakers. So do I go with a assuss, dyno book, which is toshiba’s new range in Australia, hp, Lenovo, or dell, and they did have a bad reputation a few years back. Are they better now. Looking for expert advice. And need a laptop with a physical num pad, some laptops like the zen book dual was looking at, only a touch screen number pad, soany ideas or thoughts, and in Australia. So any one from Australia on this list.

Thanks.. A 15.6 inch


moderated Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

kevin meyers
 

Hi Bill, Use reading order in raw print stream worked. Converting the PDF to word worked. It just took longer to convert than Using reading order in raw print stream. Thanks, Kevin

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi, Kevin. One thing I have found that changes the reading of a document somewhat is this, when you begin to process a document, often it will ask you how you want the document processed. The recommended method is Infer reading order from document (recommended)

 

If the document is not being read properly, try instead using,

Use reading order in raw print stream

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi Richard,

 

I just installed Adobe Acrobat reader DC. During installation I set it as default. I pressed enter on a PDF file that is an attachment in an email. It open with no problem.

 

When the file opened, Jaws read with spaces between words and many words with no spaces between them.

 

Is there a way to stop this from happening?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

kevin meyers
 

Hi Tom, converting the PDF to a word file worked. Thanks!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

One other strategy I’ve used when a PDF doesn’t read properly is to convert the PDF document to a Word document, which is possible with the latest versions of Microsoft Office.

 

To do this, you first must save the document as a PDF file.

 

Then, open Word, and do a control F12 to get to the PDF converter.

 

Once in the converter, find and open the PDF you have just save.

 

Microsoft will indicate that the document is ready to be converted, and I just tab over to OK, and let the converter do its thing.

 

The main disadvantage of this method is that formatting may be lost, but at least it can make the original PDF more readable.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi, Kevin. One thing I have found that changes the reading of a document somewhat is this, when you begin to process a document, often it will ask you how you want the document processed. The recommended method is Infer reading order from document (recommended)

 

If the document is not being read properly, try instead using,

Use reading order in raw print stream

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi Richard,

 

I just installed Adobe Acrobat reader DC. During installation I set it as default. I pressed enter on a PDF file that is an attachment in an email. It open with no problem.

 

When the file opened, Jaws read with spaces between words and many words with no spaces between them.

 

Is there a way to stop this from happening?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

kevin meyers
 

Ben,

 

This didn’t work. There was very little text and a lot of numbers.

 

Who ever created this PDF probably did a lot of fancy formatting.

 

Kevin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ben Moxey
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi Kevin

 

The words with no spaces that you’re noticing is to do with the way the original file was created. Visually, the two words that JAWS is trying to read as one are probably located on different lines, but the author hasn’t used the correct spacing.

 

Use the JAWS OCR feature and you should be able to read the document effectively.

  1. Press the JAWS key + Space.
  2. Press O for OCR.
  3. Press D for document.

 

Note that the ability to OCR a whole document only works for PDFs loaded in Adobe Reader DC.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2021 3:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi Richard,

 

I just installed Adobe Acrobat reader DC. During installation I set it as default. I pressed enter on a PDF file that is an attachment in an email. It open with no problem.

 

When the file opened, Jaws read with spaces between words and many words with no spaces between them.

 

Is there a way to stop this from happening?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

 

I’ll have to try the raw print stream option here, and then compare it with the Microsoft Word conversion file.

 

If they turn out to be the same in terms of readability, then maybe the MS Word option isn’t as necessary as I originally thought.

 

Appreciate this suggestion.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi, Tom. Your way of reading pdf files by using the Word conversion feature is no more a disadvantage than the way I presented earlier. This is because, when you use the "Use reading order in raw print stream" option in Adobe Acrobat DC, formatting is lost anyway.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

One other strategy I’ve used when a PDF doesn’t read properly is to convert the PDF document to a Word document, which is possible with the latest versions of Microsoft Office.

 

To do this, you first must save the document as a PDF file.

 

Then, open Word, and do a control F12 to get to the PDF converter.

 

Once in the converter, find and open the PDF you have just save.

 

Microsoft will indicate that the document is ready to be converted, and I just tab over to OK, and let the converter do its thing.

 

The main disadvantage of this method is that formatting may be lost, but at least it can make the original PDF more readable.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi, Kevin. One thing I have found that changes the reading of a document somewhat is this, when you begin to process a document, often it will ask you how you want the document processed. The recommended method is Infer reading order from document (recommended)

 

If the document is not being read properly, try instead using,

Use reading order in raw print stream

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi Richard,

 

I just installed Adobe Acrobat reader DC. During installation I set it as default. I pressed enter on a PDF file that is an attachment in an email. It open with no problem.

 

When the file opened, Jaws read with spaces between words and many words with no spaces between them.

 

Is there a way to stop this from happening?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated microsoft teams

Marlo Green
 

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moderated Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. Your way of reading pdf files by using the Word conversion feature is no more a disadvantage than the way I presented earlier. This is because, when you use the "Use reading order in raw print stream" option in Adobe Acrobat DC, formatting is lost anyway.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

One other strategy I’ve used when a PDF doesn’t read properly is to convert the PDF document to a Word document, which is possible with the latest versions of Microsoft Office.

 

To do this, you first must save the document as a PDF file.

 

Then, open Word, and do a control F12 to get to the PDF converter.

 

Once in the converter, find and open the PDF you have just save.

 

Microsoft will indicate that the document is ready to be converted, and I just tab over to OK, and let the converter do its thing.

 

The main disadvantage of this method is that formatting may be lost, but at least it can make the original PDF more readable.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi, Kevin. One thing I have found that changes the reading of a document somewhat is this, when you begin to process a document, often it will ask you how you want the document processed. The recommended method is Infer reading order from document (recommended)

 

If the document is not being read properly, try instead using,

Use reading order in raw print stream

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi Richard,

 

I just installed Adobe Acrobat reader DC. During installation I set it as default. I pressed enter on a PDF file that is an attachment in an email. It open with no problem.

 

When the file opened, Jaws read with spaces between words and many words with no spaces between them.

 

Is there a way to stop this from happening?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

Ben Moxey
 

Hi Kevin

 

The words with no spaces that you’re noticing is to do with the way the original file was created. Visually, the two words that JAWS is trying to read as one are probably located on different lines, but the author hasn’t used the correct spacing.

 

Use the JAWS OCR feature and you should be able to read the document effectively.

  1. Press the JAWS key + Space.
  2. Press O for OCR.
  3. Press D for document.

 

Note that the ability to OCR a whole document only works for PDFs loaded in Adobe Reader DC.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2021 3:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi Richard,

 

I just installed Adobe Acrobat reader DC. During installation I set it as default. I pressed enter on a PDF file that is an attachment in an email. It open with no problem.

 

When the file opened, Jaws read with spaces between words and many words with no spaces between them.

 

Is there a way to stop this from happening?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

Tom Behler
 

One other strategy I’ve used when a PDF doesn’t read properly is to convert the PDF document to a Word document, which is possible with the latest versions of Microsoft Office.

 

To do this, you first must save the document as a PDF file.

 

Then, open Word, and do a control F12 to get to the PDF converter.

 

Once in the converter, find and open the PDF you have just save.

 

Microsoft will indicate that the document is ready to be converted, and I just tab over to OK, and let the converter do its thing.

 

The main disadvantage of this method is that formatting may be lost, but at least it can make the original PDF more readable.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi, Kevin. One thing I have found that changes the reading of a document somewhat is this, when you begin to process a document, often it will ask you how you want the document processed. The recommended method is Infer reading order from document (recommended)

 

If the document is not being read properly, try instead using,

Use reading order in raw print stream

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Hi Richard,

 

I just installed Adobe Acrobat reader DC. During installation I set it as default. I pressed enter on a PDF file that is an attachment in an email. It open with no problem.

 

When the file opened, Jaws read with spaces between words and many words with no spaces between them.

 

Is there a way to stop this from happening?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated Re: Excel formula

John Doering
 

Changing the formatting of the cell from text to general did the trick.

 

Thanks,

 

 

John Doering
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel formula

 

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 01:04 PM, John Doering wrote:

I believe I have it figured out.

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So, what was it?   Future searchers with the same issue will appreciate knowing what you did.
 
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moderated Re: Excel formula

 

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 01:04 PM, John Doering wrote:
I believe I have it figured out.
-
So, what was it?   Future searchers with the same issue will appreciate knowing what you did.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

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