On Oct 11, 2021, at 12:49 PM, John Doering <john.doering@...> wrote:



Let me see if I can be clearer.

I hit = and type in a formula for example:  2+2, then hit enter.

The cell now should say 4 the result of the formula.

It does not say 4 but says “=2+2”

It seems to be a problem with the sheet, because when I tried the same thing on a new sheet the cell said 4 as it should.

 

HTH,

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Excel formula

 

No. I don’t understand the problem.

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 10:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel formula

 

Hello:

I am trying to write a formula into an existing Excel spread sheet and I am having a problem.

For example:

I type =2+2 and hit enter.

I arrow back up to the cell and I hear =2+2 has formula.

I opened a new spread sheet and typed in the same thing and get 4 as I should.

Any ideas on what the issue is?

Any thoughts  would be appreciated.

 

Thank you in advance,

John

 

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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 11:49 AM

Subject: Re: Excel formula

Let me see if I can be clearer.

I hit = and type in a formula for example:  2+2, then hit enter.

The cell now should say 4 the result of the formula.

It does not say 4 but says “=2+2”

It seems to be a problem with the sheet, because when I tried the same thing on a new sheet the cell said 4 as it should.

 

HTH,

 

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 11:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel formula

 

No. I don’t understand the problem.

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 10:35 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Excel formula

 

Hello:

I am trying to write a formula into an existing Excel spread sheet and I am having a problem.

For example:

I type =2+2 and hit enter.

I arrow back up to the cell and I hear =2+2 has formula.

I opened a new spread sheet and typed in the same thing and get 4 as I should.

Any ideas on what the issue is?

Any thoughts  would be appreciated.

 

Thank you in advance,

John

 

John Doering
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Mobile:
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Hi Richard,

I just installed Adobe Acrobat reader DC. During installation I set it as default. I pressed enter on a PDF file that is an attachment in an email. It open with no problem.

When the file opened, Jaws read with spaces between words and many words with no spaces between them.

Is there a way to stop this from happening?

Cheers,

Kevin

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  

No. I don’t understand the problem.

Curtis

Hello:

I am trying to write a formula into an existing Excel spread sheet and I am having a problem.

For example:

I type =2+2 and hit enter.

I arrow back up to the cell and I hear =2+2 has formula.

I opened a new spread sheet and typed in the same thing and get 4 as I should.

Any ideas on what the issue is?

Any thoughts  would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance,

John

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

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Hello:

I am trying to write a formula into an existing Excel spread sheet and I am having a problem.

For example:

I type =2+2 and hit enter.

I arrow back up to the cell and I hear =2+2 has formula.

I opened a new spread sheet and typed in the same thing and get 4 as I should.

Any ideas on what the issue is?

Any thoughts  would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance,

John

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  

On Oct 8, 2021, at 4:49 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 03:38 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

Can knowing it [JAWS Scripting] fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible?

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The simple answer to this question is, "No."

As a general statement, regarding any programming language (and I count scripts in that broad category) there is no one, universal tool that can be used to fix every issue.  The reasons that so many actually exist is that what they're being used for has very often driven the development of the language itself.

There is a lot that JAWS scripting can do, and particularly if you're faced with custom software that is not web based that is inaccessible.  As web based systems have become more common, and so much is now done through a web browser, even if it's a proprietary in-house system, that scripting is less necessary than it once was.

This is not to discourage you from learning whatever you may wish to learn about JAWS scripting, but it's not a silver bullet and panacea for all accessibility issues.
 
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On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 04:40 AM, Panagiotis Antonopoulos wrote:

The way I do it is, after finishing with the underlined or bolded text, I hit control-u once again. Jaws should say “underline off”.

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That works if you hit CTRL + U, type the text you want underlined then hit CTRL + U again when you reach the end of that text.

But a lot of people (including me), for whatever reason, don't do our formatting "in real time," which is what you are doing when you use that technique.  With sighted people such as myself I think much of that comes from the fact that very few know most of the keyboard shortcuts to do anything and having to take your hands away from the keyboard, mid-sentence and mid-thought, to tweak the formatting often breaks your train of thought.  It's a very quick thing to toggle via keyboard command while typing if you know how to do that.

I say this because I have seen people select a word or chunk of text, hit CTRL + U to underline it, but then forget to either deselect it or throw focus elsewhere before hitting CTRL + U again.  So long as a given chunk of text remains selected, any of the formatting commands will act as a toggle, so if you're not careful you could undo the formatting you just did.
 
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It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

When using Outlook 365 in a business context, the Address Book is   where the company directory is and the Contacts are your manual additions.  I’ve never explored this on my personal copy of Outlook, so I’m interested to explore what others have noted. 

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Yep would be good.  Even better would be if you could customise the High, Medium and Low, then save them to different names.

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Steve, the approach you describe is faster for changing user verbosity than going through the Quick Settings.  Thank you. Punctuation changes didn't get remembered, though.  I wonder if it be nice to have verbosity profiles, like voice profiles or speech and sound schemes?

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

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Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

Steve, the approach you describe is faster for changing user verbosity than going through the Quick Settings.  Thank you. Punctuation changes didn't get remembered, though.  I wonder if it be nice to have verbosity profiles, like voice profiles or speech and sound schemes?

On Oct 10, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Judy <bunchkinbear@...> wrote:



Leo, since I’ve retired I haven’t had to use Microsoft Word, and if I have to write a note, list etc I just use Notepad. It’s easy and I can edit it without all the bells and whistles of Word. Does the Mac have a similar thing to Notepad? Thanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leo
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

HI, Windows 11 and Big Sur user here! My piece of advice, if you like to learn new things, just take the plunge, the learning curve was not Herculean labor for me because in trying new gadgets and apps, I am Indiana Jones, lol.  Bear in mind that you will be facing not only new commands but also a new concept on how to understand an ecosystem. You will know in a day or two  if you made the right choice because either you will dream about yourself sitting in front of your Mac or you will go psychotic. Drawing on my own experience, I can tell you that personally the only case I wouldn’t recommend a Mac computer to a Windows PC user is if the person is a heavy user of Microsoft Word. Let’s just say that text-processing is the downside for screen reader users in Mac, at least when it comes to be productive. Not that pages is not accessible, oh pages is so beautiful and accessible, but you don’t want to export every single document into a word document because it is time-consuming. Besides, most of the format will be lost, and using MS Word in Mac is like traveling to Colonial Williamsburg in a tripod.

 

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

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Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

Leo, since I’ve retired I haven’t had to use Microsoft Word, and if I have to write a note, list etc I just use Notepad. It’s easy and I can edit it without all the bells and whistles of Word. Does the Mac have a similar thing to Notepad? Thanks. Judy & Libby

HI, Windows 11 and Big Sur user here! My piece of advice, if you like to learn new things, just take the plunge, the learning curve was not Herculean labor for me because in trying new gadgets and apps, I am Indiana Jones, lol.  Bear in mind that you will be facing not only new commands but also a new concept on how to understand an ecosystem. You will know in a day or two  if you made the right choice because either you will dream about yourself sitting in front of your Mac or you will go psychotic. Drawing on my own experience, I can tell you that personally the only case I wouldn’t recommend a Mac computer to a Windows PC user is if the person is a heavy user of Microsoft Word. Let’s just say that text-processing is the downside for screen reader users in Mac, at least when it comes to be productive. Not that pages is not accessible, oh pages is so beautiful and accessible, but you don’t want to export every single document into a word document because it is time-consuming. Besides, most of the format will be lost, and using MS Word in Mac is like traveling to Colonial Williamsburg in a tripod.

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer