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moderated Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated strange problem when opening pdf files

John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

 

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 04:40 AM, Panagiotis Antonopoulos wrote:
The way I do it is, after finishing with the underlined or bolded text, I hit control-u once again. Jaws should say “underline off”.
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That works if you hit CTRL + U, type the text you want underlined then hit CTRL + U again when you reach the end of that text.

But a lot of people (including me), for whatever reason, don't do our formatting "in real time," which is what you are doing when you use that technique.  With sighted people such as myself I think much of that comes from the fact that very few know most of the keyboard shortcuts to do anything and having to take your hands away from the keyboard, mid-sentence and mid-thought, to tweak the formatting often breaks your train of thought.  It's a very quick thing to toggle via keyboard command while typing if you know how to do that.

I say this because I have seen people select a word or chunk of text, hit CTRL + U to underline it, but then forget to either deselect it or throw focus elsewhere before hitting CTRL + U again.  So long as a given chunk of text remains selected, any of the formatting commands will act as a toggle, so if you're not careful you could undo the formatting you just did.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Automatic capitalization

 

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 09:38 AM, marilyn wrote:
every time my cursor goes to a new line
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What do you mean by that, exactly?

The default behavior is to capitalize the beginning character of sentences or paragraphs if they are accidentally left uncapitalized.  In a word processor, you should not be hitting Enter except to force a new paragraph.  The word processor itself flows all of the text within a paragraph according ot the spacing you set up.

The way you phrased this makes it sound like you may be hitting Enter, at times, in the middle of a sentence to get a word on the next line, and while one could do that it's unnecessary as word flow is handled automatically based on the margins you've set.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Outlook 365 Question

Mark Arnold ABG
 

List,

 

I am having difficulty with the concept of Address book and Contacts.  Is there a discernable difference or are they synonymous?

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 


moderated Re: window or mac

Leo
 

HI, Windows 11 and Big Sur user here! My piece of advice, if you like to learn new things, just take the plunge, the learning curve was not Herculean labor for me because in trying new gadgets and apps, I am Indiana Jones, lol.  Bear in mind that you will be facing not only new commands but also a new concept on how to understand an ecosystem. You will know in a day or two  if you made the right choice because either you will dream about yourself sitting in front of your Mac or you will go psychotic. Drawing on my own experience, I can tell you that personally the only case I wouldn’t recommend a Mac computer to a Windows PC user is if the person is a heavy user of Microsoft Word. Let’s just say that text-processing is the downside for screen reader users in Mac, at least when it comes to be productive. Not that pages is not accessible, oh pages is so beautiful and accessible, but you don’t want to export every single document into a word document because it is time-consuming. Besides, most of the format will be lost, and using MS Word in Mac is like traveling to Colonial Williamsburg in a tripod.

 

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Automatic capitalization

Bill White
 

Hi, Marilyn. To rid yourself of unwanted capitalization,

 

1. Open Microsoft Word.

2. Press ALT followed by the letters F, then T.

3. Arrow down to Proofing.

4. Press SPACE on the AutoCorrect Options button.

5. Uncheck any options related to capitalization which you do not want to occur automatically.

6. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

7. The options you uncheck should no longer be capitalized automatically.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marilyn
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 6:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Automatic capitalization

 

Hello all,

 

Out of the blue I’m now getting the comment “auto correct” every time my cursor goes to a new line and the first letter of that word is automatically capitalized. How do I get rid of this action? I recently updated Windows and Jaws on my desktop.  Step by step will be much appreciated. Many thanks.

 

Marilyn

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do you underline a word?

 

And you’re also using some version of MS Word? In that case, highlight the word or passage you wish to underline, then press control-u. JAWS will announce something like, “Underline.”

One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Automatic capitalization

marilyn
 

Hello all,

 

Out of the blue I’m now getting the comment “auto correct” every time my cursor goes to a new line and the first letter of that word is automatically capitalized. How do I get rid of this action? I recently updated Windows and Jaws on my desktop.  Step by step will be much appreciated. Many thanks.

 

Marilyn

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do you underline a word?

 

And you’re also using some version of MS Word? In that case, highlight the word or passage you wish to underline, then press control-u. JAWS will announce something like, “Underline.”

One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Question about jaws reading

Justin Williams
 

Looks like I might have to do that.

 

Probably remote in and see what's up.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about jaws reading

 

I know it is the weekend but have you tried tech support at Freedom Scientific or even calling the Microsoft Accessibility help desk?

 

I’m also wondering what might be your display brightness set too.

 

 

Milton Ota

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Ph: (701) 731-0511

Email: mota1252@...

 

               

 


moderated Re: Question about jaws reading

Milton Ota
 

I know it is the weekend but have you tried tech support at Freedom Scientific or even calling the Microsoft Accessibility help desk?

 

I’m also wondering what might be your display brightness set too.

 

 

Milton Ota

ICAN Island Computer Access Now

4273 Coventry Dr., S.

Unit E

Fargo, ND 58104-4498

 

Ph: (701) 731-0511

Email: mota1252@...

 

               

 


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

Adrian Spratt
 

Agreed, Takis. Your method works if you know ahead of time that you intend to underline certain text, and I’m glad you brought it up. I typically make such decisions after the fact, which is why I’m more focused on making sure the underling, bolding, etc. doesn’t extend too far.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 4:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi Adrian,

The way I do it is, after finishing with the underlined or bolded text, I hit control-u once again. Jaws should say “underline off”.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 11:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do you underline a word?

 

And you’re also using some version of MS Word? In that case, highlight the word or passage you wish to underline, then press control-u. JAWS will announce something like, “Underline.”

One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Adrian,

The way I do it is, after finishing with the underlined or bolded text, I hit control-u once again. Jaws should say “underline off”.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 11:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do you underline a word?

 

And you’re also using some version of MS Word? In that case, highlight the word or passage you wish to underline, then press control-u. JAWS will announce something like, “Underline.”

One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Jim/all,

Just highlight the word with control-right arrow and press control-u. This should do the trick.

                                                            Hope it helps,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 10:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: window or mac

Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
 

Judy,
I use a Mac every day and have since 2012 (when I first went blind).  Typically I use keyboard shortcuts as a way of controlling my Mac but you can use the trackpad just as you would an iPhone.  For example with track pad commander turned on a single finger swipe to the left moves you to the left and likewise a single finger single tap selects the item.  Pretty much every finger gesture that you perform on an iPhone translates exactly on the Mac. 
Like I said I usually use the keyboard shortcuts and only use the track pad when the keyboard shortcut is not working as it should.  For example when trying to click a button and nothing happens I will fall back to the track pad, find and select the button and single finger double tap.  It doesn’t always work, but often it does, thus I don’t need to find sighted assistance.
A huge difference in MacOS is the use of the “Command” key, it is the key immediately to either side of the space bar.  A few examples are below.
To close an open window = CMD+W
To copy a selection = CMD+C
To paste from the clipboard = CMD+V
To underline a word in a text editor = CMD+U
To bold a word in a text editor = CMD+B
To create a new document in a text editor = CMD+N
To open an existing document = CMD+O
To print a document = CMD+P
To create a new folder in Finder (the Mac version of File Explorer) = CMD+Shift+N
There is still the concept of the menu bar in MacOS and you always use VO key+M to access it.
And to access the equivalent of the system tray you use VO key+MM.


If you are familiar with the rotor on the iPhone the same principle exists in MacOS.  Just like JAWS you assign either Control+Option (they are next to each other on the keyboard) or Caps Lock as your Voice Over (VO) key.  So if you are on a webpage and you want to list all of the headings you issue a VO key+U to invoke the rotor.  Like the iPhone you can decide what elements are in your rotor, such as Links, Visited Links, Headings, Form Controls, etc. and from the rotor you can quickly move about the page.  You can also use the H key to move by headings (and other keys) just like JAWS.
You can quickly change the verbosity, speaking rate, speaking pitch and even the voice without digging into the settings.
Sure there is a learning curve, but that is true of anything.  Here are the main reasons I jumped onto the Mac bandwagon when I went blind.
At the time my laptop was quite old and was due to be replaced so I knew that was an expense that could not be avoided.  There was no such thing as the JAWS Home Annual Subscription so I needed to buy JAWS and a SMA and I wanted something for word processing and spreadsheets and I was intimately familiar with Office.  When I added it all up I was looking at a bit over $2,000.  I then looked at the Mac and for $1,300 I got a new laptop, a screen reader and at the time iWords (Pages, Numbers and Keynote - the Mac equivalent to Office) was $20.  Now the software is free.  For me it was a no brainer at the time.  I knew that I needed to learn a screen reader anyhow and over the course of my life I had touched a few Macs from time to time.  Another huge factor for me was there was only one person to blame when something didn’t work right.  I am running Apple’s OS on Apple’s hardware and using Apple’s screen reader, if there is a problem the one thing that they can not do is blame a third party.  We have all been in the boat when Freedom Scientific blames Microsoft and then Microsoft turns around and puts the blame on a piece of hardware in your machine or the driver associated with that piece of hardware.  Apple can not do that, every piece of the equation is Apple.
Now the Mac is not perfect, but nothing is.  There are times that Safari just doesn’t cut it and I need to use another browser.  At the moment I have MS Edge also installed for a Chromium based browser solution.  Google Chrome and Brave, along with other browsers, work just fine on the Mac.  If you absolutely require MS Office do NOT go Mac.  Office 365 on the Mac is the most accessible version of Office for the Mac it can not touch Office on a Window based machine.  For that reason only I run Windows as a VM on my Mac.  I need to use Windows at work but have the luxury of being able to bring my own Mac to the office.  I spend 95% of my day on the Mac side of the world, and when I need to use Word or Excel I jump over to my Win 10 VM and do what I need to do.  For me this arrangement works perfectly.
If you want to talk more about the Mac please email me directly at jimweiss72@....
Regards

Jim Weiss



On Oct 9, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Judy <bunchkinbear@...> wrote:

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  
It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.
    ~ William Plumber



moderated Re: Question about jaws reading

Justin Williams
 

So, even though I did uncheck smart read, I am still having the same problem with JAWS not reading when I read by word.  It may read some of them, but they it still won't say anything when I read word by word.

 

Thanks

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about jaws reading

 

Hi, Justin. It's in one of two places. First it's in the JAWS Startup Wizard, under Help.

 

Secondly, it is in Quick Settings (JAWS key plus V). When the search box opens, after you press JAWS key plus V, enter the word smart, and Smart Reading will come up in the search. If it is checked, try unchecking it, and see if that makes a difference in how you can navigate with the arrow keys. Make sure to TAB to the OK button to save the changes.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about jaws reading

 

Where is smart word reading?

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 7:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about jaws reading

 

Check to see if Smart Word reading is on. If it is, try turning it off.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 3:53 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question about jaws reading

 

I have Jaws 2021, and windows 10. Office 2016

 

I've noticed, that when I read by word in Microsoft word, that JAWS sometimes doesn't read.

 

The cursor will move, but it will not say anything.

When I read Character  by Character it works fine.

 

Why is that? 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Justin


moderated Re: window or mac

Mich Verrier
 

Hi Judy. As far as I can remember from using peoples max over the years it is different than using the iPhone because of the keystrokes and because there’s a lot more interaction need to do with the elements on the screen where as with windows Joyce generally takes care of all that and you don’t have to interact as much as you do on the mat and for that matter even on iOS devices there’s not as much interaction with different elements on the screen at least that’s been my experience Brian and others might have different experiences I’ve only tried the Mac on from different people that I’ve known over the years have let me use their MacBook some things and that’s been my experience. from Mich


On Oct 9, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Judy <bunchkinbear@...> wrote:



Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

Michael Hunsaker
 

The screen readers are very different for Mac OS relative to both JAWS and NVDA.  Even very different from iOS VoiceOver. 

Ryan



On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 15:19 meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:
 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 

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moderated Re: how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

Mike B.
 

Hi Jim,
 
Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center, Insert / Jaws Key + 6, on the number row and press, Control, Shift + D, to open default all applications.
 
2. Arrow down to, Web / HTML / PDF's, and right arrow to open.
 
3. Arrow down to, Reading, and right arrow to open.
 
4. Down arrow to,Configure web verboscity levels closed, and right arrow to open.
 
5. Arrow down to, Block quoatation, and uncheck this checkbox.  Now tab to, Okay, press the spacebar, tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay,
and press enter to save and close.
 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 3:44 PM
Subject: how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

I am running jaws 2021 and windows ten. Ji006D


moderated Re: window or mac

 

Judy,

I will allow others who may be using MacOS and iOS to comment in detail, but the differences between any smartphone/tablet OS, and any desktop/laptop OS, is vast.

iOS skills do not, in my observation and experience, intuitively (or anything to it) transfer over to MacOS and vice versa.  The ecosystems are significantly different because the entire design idioms of a touch based OS and a mouse or keyboard based OS are just not the same.  [This was equally true for Windows and the Windows Phone, when the latter and Windows Mobile OS still existed.]

iOS and MacOS cannot be described, in any meaningful way, as "the same OS."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

Judy
 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

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Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

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