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Re: What is a VPN?

epierce@...
 

VPN typically provides an encrypted connection to an organization's authentication (login) system via a port in a firewall that is open to the public.

This is very useful for "remote users", such as people that work at home, or from branch offices, and so forth.

Without an encrypted connection, the network packets flowing to/from the firewall can be "sniffed" by hacking tools to reveal a user's login information, or other organizational data that exposes the organization to loss of sensitive data that is protected by law such as SSN, medical data, academic data, credit card or other financial data, etc.

If you work with information that is legally protected, you need to be very vigilant, and comply with your organization's security policies and best practices.

---- Original message ----
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:43:47 -0400
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@bmo.com>)
Subject: RE: What is a VPN?
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

VPN: A virtual private network.
It a connectivity tool used by many organizations. I use that connection when I work from home. I have no problems with it, I have all my applications on my local machine and I have full access to my network drives.

The one area that can be a problem is the logon method. We use RSA Security. There is a hardware token [its like a little calculator looking] version which is totally inaccessable. I use a "soft token" this is a software version of the hardware token and is with some jaws scripting it is usable.
...


Re: What is a VPN?

Brent Harding
 

It's a virtual private network. It shouldn't really effect Jaws at all. Imagine it as a network line that connects you to work, but it uses a small software program, or sometimes the interface similar to dialup in Windows, to bring up and tear down. They help the company's security more than anything

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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: What is a VPN?


Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
Thanks.

Claudia


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Re: VPN?

Claudia
 

Okay,

Here are more questions then. I don't remember making mention of Citrix, but we do actually use that. There is a state database on Citrix that has all client information on it.
I work for a state vocational rehabilitation agency.

As it stands, I cannot use Citrix to get into this database because Jaws is obviously installed on my, and a few other users' machines. From my understanding, Citrix would need to be installed on that server statewide, in order for me to be able to use it to access the client database.

So, the IT solution is to come down and install physical copies of Jaws and the database on my laptop, so that I will have instant access essentially.
In other words, I'll be able to launch the client database from the laptop, instead of having to log into it remotely.

So, are there many others using Citrix with Jaws, and if so, what capacity do you use it in?

Claudia

PS. All of this is giving me a headache; I am becoming more confused, by the minute.

On 4/18/2012 3:41 PM, Marquette, Ed wrote:
Claudia:
If it is a true VPN, you should be just fine. I use one every single day, and JAWS is not affected in the slightest.
The problem is that sometimes the term is used loosely to refer to a variety of remote access solutions. Even if it is really a Citrix connection (not a real VPN), JAWS still works. It is just a little more challenging n that JAWS needs to be loaded on the Citrix server too, and you need to have the more expensive JAWS edition. I have it, but I don't remember what it is called.


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Subject: VPN?

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
My employer is going to give me access to one of these.

Thanks.

Claudia


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Re: Enterprise software

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As I'm sure your know, or can imagine, in some large organizations, there is so much inefficiency and dysfunctional culture that the IT support people closest to a visually impaired user may not have access (no pun intended) to the enterprise licensing and other relevant support information needed. Or they may simply be prohibited by the organization's policies and/or license terms from interacting with FS tech support.

There are far worse IT support horror stories than can be told in detail on a public list.

Please note that the original discussion was not about FS support, but rather about the difference between "real" accessibility in Enterprise Software packages and legal "compliance" by large corporations with deep pockets and large legal departments, and/or lobbying representation.

FS has adapted their business model to malformed market conditions, they didn't create those conditions, in any direct way.

FS has adapted their software implementation to an inadequate operating system architecture which they didn't create.

Some people might object, feeling that FS has "sold out" blind customers in order to stay in the game of legal compliance played by corporations and other organizations that are run in a cynical, dehumanizing, bizarro manner.

The reality, like it or not, is that FS is a business, not an advocacy group.

When the market for accessibility products is distorted in the manner that it has been, it is inevitable that some company will end up selling out and pandering to the lowest instincts of the majority interest groups buying the product.

This is a consequence of "legislating morality".

In other words, people are not perfect, society is not perfect, accessibility is not implemented or enforced perfectly, etc.

People can come to their own conclusions about whether or not society in general is better off with things like ADA compliance bureaucracy and the resulting market distortions, or not.

People can come to their own conclusions about whether or not the individuals that work in the compliance bureaucracy are really working for the best interests of disabled people, or to advance their own careers.

The reality is that people that fail to conform to the dark, evil forces that are prevalent in many large organizations are frequently targeted for mistreatment, made into scapegoats, and bullied.

Any worker that is subject to such conditions should be aware that they can reach out to labor activists or labor lawyers for support.

---- Original message ----
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:52:47 -0700
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Subject: Re: Enterprise software
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Have any of these so-called helpful people bothered to call Freedom
Scientific to get their help?
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Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

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On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Hello,
I have NVDA and use it when Jaws can't read the page or when Jaws crashes.
Does anyone know what the NVDA support list's email address is? I have some
questions about setting up my NVDA with yummy voices.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:27 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Thank you for this post. It's what many of us were hoping to get from Karen:
a detailed description of the strengths and weaknesses of NVDA. Between your
comments and Gary's occasional references to using it when JAWS fails, I am
now tempted to add it to my system.

For clarification, I've added NVDA to the subject line. I hope it won't
incur the wrath of the purists.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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Re: What is a VPN?

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

VPN: A virtual private network.
It a connectivity tool used by many organizations. I use that connection when I work from home. I have no problems with it, I have all my applications on my local machine and I have full access to my network drives.

The one area that can be a problem is the logon method. We use RSA Security. There is a hardware token [its like a little calculator looking] version which is totally inaccessable. I use a "soft token" this is a software version of the hardware token and is with some jaws scripting it is usable.

Regards
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: April 18, 2012 4:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: What is a VPN?

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
Thanks.

Claudia


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Re: VPN?

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Claudia:
If it is a true VPN, you should be just fine. I use one every single day, and JAWS is not affected in the slightest.
The problem is that sometimes the term is used loosely to refer to a variety of remote access solutions. Even if it is really a Citrix connection (not a real VPN), JAWS still works. It is just a little more challenging n that JAWS needs to be loaded on the Citrix server too, and you need to have the more expensive JAWS edition. I have it, but I don't remember what it is called.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: VPN?

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
My employer is going to give me access to one of these.

Thanks.

Claudia


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Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

Yummy voices?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:37 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Hello,
I have NVDA and use it when Jaws can't read the page or when Jaws crashes.
Does anyone know what the NVDA support list's email address is? I have some
questions about setting up my NVDA with yummy voices.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:27 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Thank you for this post. It's what many of us were hoping to get from Karen:
a detailed description of the strengths and weaknesses of NVDA. Between your
comments and Gary's occasional references to using it when JAWS fails, I am
now tempted to add it to my system.

For clarification, I've added NVDA to the subject line. I hope it won't
incur the wrath of the purists.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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Re: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?

Claudia
 

Hello,

I see this quite a bit too, both on the job and in personal use. Sometimes, the files even open up, and when I arrow down with Jaws, it is reading it to me but either word by word or letter by letter.

Claudia

On 4/18/2012 11:32 AM, rixmix2009@gmail.com wrote:
I have found on several occasions to open a .pdf file in Acrobat Reader to find that the document is comprised of say 3 or 4 colums. And the data has like the name in column 1, the address in column 2, and the phone in column 3.

But the thing is, that JAWS will read it all down column 1, and then to column 2, etc.
Meaning that the connections between the adjacent field is lost, or made quite difficult.

I do not know enough to tell folks, so I ask you.
How may we tell people to construct these type of files in such a way that this does not occur?

I suppose it may vary according to which software was used to create it.

But I thought perhaps there is some descriptive terms to even better describe what I just tried to tell you all.

Thanks.
Rik


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Re: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonboy13@...>
 

Hello,
I have NVDA and use it when Jaws can't read the page or when Jaws crashes. Does anyone know what the NVDA support list's email address is? I have some questions about setting up my NVDA with yummy voices.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:27 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Thank you for this post. It's what many of us were hoping to get from Karen:
a detailed description of the strengths and weaknesses of NVDA. Between your
comments and Gary's occasional references to using it when JAWS fails, I am
now tempted to add it to my system.

For clarification, I've added NVDA to the subject line. I hope it won't
incur the wrath of the purists.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Nothing wrong with the right tool for the right job. Both the freebies
I know about can be run in portable mode, which could be great for
either location or occasional use.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen
reader, with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't
work, or at least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not
going to take the apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't
really advise a serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In
fact, this conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history,
but for what it's worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and
more responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it
works, it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its
command structure is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it
easier to learn, and indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object.
This allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like
elements in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to
get to in JFW, then set focus there and interact with the controls
smoothly. This mode gives access in some situations where JFW can't
find a hook to interact with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb
drive and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This
promise is almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being
a major feature in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to
JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing
feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really
get access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough,
except the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and
calendar access is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move
to the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages
like Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out
repeated content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday
use I use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming
with, I would not recommend flying solo with it in a business
environment. I certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say
yet, because it looks like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA
(which function something like JFW scripts) which are starting to add
functionality that didn't exist before. It may be that the user
community will yet provide missing functionality and make it an even
more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro should be careful as it is
already capable of moving many users away from the upgrades. I haven't
bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will eventually, but for
now a combination of financial circumstances and a workable alternative
have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if
you don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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VPN?

Claudia
 

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
My employer is going to give me access to one of these.

Thanks.

Claudia


NVDA; Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Adrian Spratt
 

Thank you for this post. It's what many of us were hoping to get from Karen:
a detailed description of the strengths and weaknesses of NVDA. Between your
comments and Gary's occasional references to using it when JAWS fails, I am
now tempted to add it to my system.

For clarification, I've added NVDA to the subject line. I hope it won't
incur the wrath of the purists.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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What is a VPN?

Claudia
 

Hi,

What is a VPN and will it affect my using Jaws, in any way?
Thanks.

Claudia


Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Dave...
 

Christopher,

Very nice. And that actually makes me want to try NVDA much more than what
Karen provided.

It does sound like NVDA may eventually grow in flexibility and functionality
to give a viable alternative in my environment, which is heavily involved
with Excel and Outlook, with some forays into Powerpoint and Word.

Much appreciated.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Bartlett" <themusicalbrewer@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 13:16
Subject: RE: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution


I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett



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Re: Karen -- Your Alternative Solution

Christopher Bartlett <themusicalbrewer@...>
 

I'm not Karen, but I am someone who uses NVDA as my primary screen reader,
with JFW held in reserve for those situations where NVDA won't work, or at
least I haven't figured out how to make it work. I'm not going to take the
apparent position of Karen, as I use both and couldn't really advise a
serious or business user to kick the shark habit. In fact, this
conversation stuck out at me and I don't know the history, but for what it's
worth, here are my experiences.

NVDA is a fabulous everyday screen reader. It's agile, lightweight and more
responsive in most environments than JFW in my experience. When it works,
it works quite nicely, and it works most of the time. Its command structure
is much simpler than JFW or WE which both makes it easier to learn, and
indicates some of its limitations.

I love the object navigation mode that works, as I understand it, rather
like VoiceOver on the mac, in that you can interact with system and
application objects both as objects and with the text in each object. This
allows me for instance to move focus very easily to the html-like elements
in the Carbonite user interface, which I haven't been able to get to in JFW,
then set focus there and interact with the controls smoothly. This mode
gives access in some situations where JFW can't find a hook to interact
with.

NVDA's portable mode is even easier to use than JFW's since there is no
video intercept to install. It's rather trivial to put it on a thumb drive
and have instant access to any computer you plug it into. This promise is
almost, but not quite realized by JFW. I can see this being a major feature
in a computing center environment.

Alas, not all is love and kisses in the NVDA world if you are used to JFW.
There are some things missing. There is no skimming or summarizing feature.
There is no way to set up row and column headers in Excel to read
automatically. There is to my knowledge almost no access to Microsoft
Access, and I believe PowerPoint access is much better in JFW.
Spell-checking is frustratingly hard in NVDA, in fact you don't really get
access to the dialog in any useful way. Outlook works well enough, except
the suggestions for addresses don't read automatically and calendar access
is a lot more primitive.

I miss being able to advance during a say all by hitting a key to move to
the next say-all element. This is a small thing, but makes pages like
Facebook less useful. I also miss JFW's ability to filter out repeated
content on successive web pages.

In short, while JFW has its quirks and in fact as I said for everyday use I
use NVDA, which among other things I find easier for programming with, I
would not recommend flying solo with it in a business environment. I
certainly can't do everything I need to do yet. I say yet, because it looks
like there is a growing body of plug-ins for NVDA (which function something
like JFW scripts) which are starting to add functionality that didn't exist
before. It may be that the user community will yet provide missing
functionality and make it an even more robust competitor. FS and GW Micro
should be careful as it is already capable of moving many users away from
the upgrades. I haven't bought my 13 upgrade at this point. I fancy I will
eventually, but for now a combination of financial circumstances and a
workable alternative have made this less urgent.

And hey, memory is cheap and hard drive goes forever, so have both if you
don't mind the cognitive task switching that goes on when you change
readers.

Christopher Bartlett


Re: Skype scripts

David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:43 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Skype scripts

Go here:
http://www.for-the-people.com/dlee/www/skype/jfw-skr55a_NSI.exe

They make the program pretty accessible.
Regards.
Angela from Italy.

--
"Con poco sapere, ma di buona qualit`, si produce di piy che con moltissimo
sapere di cattiva qualit`". (Arthur Schopenhauer).


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Skype scripts

Hi all, I know that I've seen mentions about skype scripts on this list
before, where can I find this scripts and how accessible does it make skype?

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Re: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

How about going to layout? I believe the choices there affect
presentation. I can think of a few situations where I'd love Word and
AR to read a column at a time. When a newsletter is formatted in
columns, the jumping around can destroy the continuity.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?

Rick refers to columns not tables so you can't use the table navigation
keystrokes in that case. When they are columns jaws puts one column
under the other thus disassociating what was once related information.
I have seen this so many times. I personally have no knowledge of how
pdf documents need to be constructed. So many times now documents are
created in other programs and saved as pdf format. So many of these
programs e.g. ms word do not do a very good job and esentially trash the
documents. I find myself having to go back to the source of the
document creator and request the original version.

Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar, Nothing to
Get Hung About
Sent: April 18, 2012 12:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?

Rik,

Usually tables are navigated using the table-reading keystrokes. Are you
able to find tables by pressing the letter "T"? If so, then you can read
the table row-by-row or column-by-column, or move at your request from
cell-to-cell. Refer to documentation in JAWS keystrokes for navigating
tables.

I don't think it's related to how the PDF was created, as long as it can
be read at all by JAWS.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: <rixmix2009@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 09:32
Subject: how are .pdf files constructed to best work with JAWS?


I have found on several occasions to open a .pdf file in Acrobat Reader
to
find that the document is comprised of say 3 or 4 colums. And the data
has
like the name in column 1, the address in column 2, and the phone in
column
3.

But the thing is, that JAWS will read it all down column 1, and then to
column 2, etc.
Meaning that the connections between the adjacent field is lost, or made
quite difficult.

I do not know enough to tell folks, so I ask you.
How may we tell people to construct these type of files in such a way
that
this does not occur?

I suppose it may vary according to which software was used to create it.

But I thought perhaps there is some descriptive terms to even better
describe what I just tried to tell you all.

Thanks.
Rik


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Re: Skype scripts

Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

Go here:
http://www.for-the-people.com/dlee/www/skype/jfw-skr55a_NSI.exe

They make the program pretty accessible.
Regards.
Angela from Italy.

--
"Con poco sapere, ma di buona qualitą, si produce di pił che con moltissimo
sapere di cattiva qualitą". (Arthur Schopenhauer).

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:38 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Skype scripts

Hi all, I know that I've seen mentions about skype scripts on this list
before, where can I find this scripts and how accessible does it make skype?

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Skype scripts

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

Hi all, I know that I've seen mentions about skype scripts on this
list before, where can I find this scripts and how accessible does it
make skype?