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moderated Re: temporary increasing or decreasing verbosity

Ben Moxey
 

Hey everyone

 

Mark, you can cycle the punctuation level for the active speech profile in JAWS 2021 and beyond by pressing the JAWS key + Shift + 2 (on the number row). Of course, it will revert to your default when you restart JAWS, unless you make changes in Settings Centre.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, 11 October 2021 5:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: temporary increasing or decreasing verbosity

 

Yep would be good.  Even better would be if you could customise the High, Medium and Low, then save them to different names.

 

All the best


Steve

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: 09 October 2021 12:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: temporary increasing or decreasing verbosity

 

Steve, the approach you describe is faster for changing user verbosity than going through the Quick Settings.  Thank you. Punctuation changes didn't get remembered, though.  I wonder if it be nice to have verbosity profiles, like voice profiles or speech and sound schemes?


moderated Re: window or mac

 

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 03:28 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
There is really a big difference between VO on your iPhone and VO on a Mac. I thought it was learning to use a text to speech system all over.
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And, in addition, there is a really big difference between iOS, and its touch interface, and MacOS, even if you have a touch enabled Mac.

I thank you for confirming, from firsthand experience, what I was attempting to communicate earlier.  No iPhone user should delude themselves into thinking that a Mac is just an iPhone that sits on a desk, and vice versa.

The learning curve for any new OS is shallow, lengthy, and laborious.  You can certainly learn "the basics" pretty quickly, but you always get caught out because something you thought was not a basic, but that was already on "full automatic" mode for you in your familiar ecosystem, has to be learned again.  Operating systems are much like onions in that you really don't realize how many layers you've already peeled within an ecosystem you're familiar with and how long it takes to have equal ease and proficiency when you switch.  It's not a decision to be taken lightly, no matter the direction in which jumping is being considered.
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moderated Re: window or mac

Marianne Denning
 

I tried to learn to use VO on a Mac and gave up. I really prefer to use Windows and JAWS. I know that  is because I learned JAWS first. There is really a big difference between VO on your iPhone and VO on a Mac. I thought it was learning to use a text to speech system all over.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 9:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
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    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: temporary increasing or decreasing verbosity

Steve Nutt
 

Yep would be good.  Even better would be if you could customise the High, Medium and Low, then save them to different names.

 

All the best


Steve

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: 09 October 2021 12:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: temporary increasing or decreasing verbosity

 

Steve, the approach you describe is faster for changing user verbosity than going through the Quick Settings.  Thank you. Punctuation changes didn't get remembered, though.  I wonder if it be nice to have verbosity profiles, like voice profiles or speech and sound schemes?


moderated Re: window or mac

Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
 

Judy,
Text edit is more close to WordPad, it is fairly rich and what it can do.



On Oct 10, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Judy <bunchkinbear@...> wrote:



Leo, since I’ve retired I haven’t had to use Microsoft Word, and if I have to write a note, list etc I just use Notepad. It’s easy and I can edit it without all the bells and whistles of Word. Does the Mac have a similar thing to Notepad? Thanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leo
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

HI, Windows 11 and Big Sur user here! My piece of advice, if you like to learn new things, just take the plunge, the learning curve was not Herculean labor for me because in trying new gadgets and apps, I am Indiana Jones, lol.  Bear in mind that you will be facing not only new commands but also a new concept on how to understand an ecosystem. You will know in a day or two  if you made the right choice because either you will dream about yourself sitting in front of your Mac or you will go psychotic. Drawing on my own experience, I can tell you that personally the only case I wouldn’t recommend a Mac computer to a Windows PC user is if the person is a heavy user of Microsoft Word. Let’s just say that text-processing is the downside for screen reader users in Mac, at least when it comes to be productive. Not that pages is not accessible, oh pages is so beautiful and accessible, but you don’t want to export every single document into a word document because it is time-consuming. Besides, most of the format will be lost, and using MS Word in Mac is like traveling to Colonial Williamsburg in a tripod.

 

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

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It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

Leo
 

Yes, absolutely. It is called text Edit, and as you have pointed out, this is what most people use to jot down something quickly.

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

Leo, since I’ve retired I haven’t had to use Microsoft Word, and if I have to write a note, list etc I just use Notepad. It’s easy and I can edit it without all the bells and whistles of Word. Does the Mac have a similar thing to Notepad? Thanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leo
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

HI, Windows 11 and Big Sur user here! My piece of advice, if you like to learn new things, just take the plunge, the learning curve was not Herculean labor for me because in trying new gadgets and apps, I am Indiana Jones, lol.  Bear in mind that you will be facing not only new commands but also a new concept on how to understand an ecosystem. You will know in a day or two  if you made the right choice because either you will dream about yourself sitting in front of your Mac or you will go psychotic. Drawing on my own experience, I can tell you that personally the only case I wouldn’t recommend a Mac computer to a Windows PC user is if the person is a heavy user of Microsoft Word. Let’s just say that text-processing is the downside for screen reader users in Mac, at least when it comes to be productive. Not that pages is not accessible, oh pages is so beautiful and accessible, but you don’t want to export every single document into a word document because it is time-consuming. Besides, most of the format will be lost, and using MS Word in Mac is like traveling to Colonial Williamsburg in a tripod.

 

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

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It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

Judy
 

Leo, since I’ve retired I haven’t had to use Microsoft Word, and if I have to write a note, list etc I just use Notepad. It’s easy and I can edit it without all the bells and whistles of Word. Does the Mac have a similar thing to Notepad? Thanks. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leo
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

HI, Windows 11 and Big Sur user here! My piece of advice, if you like to learn new things, just take the plunge, the learning curve was not Herculean labor for me because in trying new gadgets and apps, I am Indiana Jones, lol.  Bear in mind that you will be facing not only new commands but also a new concept on how to understand an ecosystem. You will know in a day or two  if you made the right choice because either you will dream about yourself sitting in front of your Mac or you will go psychotic. Drawing on my own experience, I can tell you that personally the only case I wouldn’t recommend a Mac computer to a Windows PC user is if the person is a heavy user of Microsoft Word. Let’s just say that text-processing is the downside for screen reader users in Mac, at least when it comes to be productive. Not that pages is not accessible, oh pages is so beautiful and accessible, but you don’t want to export every single document into a word document because it is time-consuming. Besides, most of the format will be lost, and using MS Word in Mac is like traveling to Colonial Williamsburg in a tripod.

 

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Outlook 365 Question

Madison Martin
 

How do you create these folders?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: October 10, 2021 12:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook 365 Question

 

Technically, no different. than just an address book.

but contacts are way more comprehensive.

you can sort or have contacts or people in an address book sorted or put into a folder call family, you can have another call office, another folder call maybe friends. 

it's more sorted and organized than one bulk address book with all your contacts with different fields in them.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan

 

 

On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 23:16, Mark Arnold ABG <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

List,

 

I am having difficulty with the concept of Address book and Contacts.  Is there a discernable difference or are they synonymous?

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 


moderated Re: Outlook 365 Question

Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nchan@...>
 

Technically, no different. than just an address book.
but contacts are way more comprehensive.
you can sort or have contacts or people in an address book sorted or put into a folder call family, you can have another call office, another folder call maybe friends. 
it's more sorted and organized than one bulk address book with all your contacts with different fields in them.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 23:16, Mark Arnold ABG <markarnold.abg@...> wrote:

List,

 

I am having difficulty with the concept of Address book and Contacts.  Is there a discernable difference or are they synonymous?

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 


moderated Re: Email Group in Office 365

David Kingsbury
 

Hi,

In my Outlook 365, creating a new contact group does not appear in my context menu. But doing it via the ribbons works. Get into contacts and open up the ribbons. You land on the Home tab. Tab twice into the lower ribbon and you will find new contact group here. That said, I prefer making an email list in Excel and copying and pasting these addresses into the To or BCC fields. It is much easier to add and delete addresses from a list created in Excel than from a contact group created in Outlook.

David


moderated Re: strange problem when opening pdf files

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If by normally, you mean in Acrobat Reader, you need to go into the program default settings and set PDF’s to Acrobat.

Or, if you have a PDF on your computer, put focus on it, use the Applications key, or shift+f10, arrow down to Open With, and hit enter, then arrow to Adobe Acrobat, and tab to Always use this app to open PDF’s and check it and tab to OK and hit enter.

That should change the default to Adobe Acrobat, but if not, the Program Default settings by file type should solve it.

 

 

 

Richard

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange problem when opening pdf files

 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated strange problem when opening pdf files

John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
 

Good morning: In the past few days, when opening a pdf file on my laptop, it opens in Google Chrome and goes through the typical options when opening a pdf file while in Google Chrome, giving me options to print, download etc. How can I prevent this from happening so that the pdf file simply opens normally.

I don't know if the fact that I'm using Jaws 19, has anything to do with it, but that doesn't seem to be the problem.

Thanks.  


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

 

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 04:40 AM, Panagiotis Antonopoulos wrote:
The way I do it is, after finishing with the underlined or bolded text, I hit control-u once again. Jaws should say “underline off”.
-
That works if you hit CTRL + U, type the text you want underlined then hit CTRL + U again when you reach the end of that text.

But a lot of people (including me), for whatever reason, don't do our formatting "in real time," which is what you are doing when you use that technique.  With sighted people such as myself I think much of that comes from the fact that very few know most of the keyboard shortcuts to do anything and having to take your hands away from the keyboard, mid-sentence and mid-thought, to tweak the formatting often breaks your train of thought.  It's a very quick thing to toggle via keyboard command while typing if you know how to do that.

I say this because I have seen people select a word or chunk of text, hit CTRL + U to underline it, but then forget to either deselect it or throw focus elsewhere before hitting CTRL + U again.  So long as a given chunk of text remains selected, any of the formatting commands will act as a toggle, so if you're not careful you could undo the formatting you just did.
 
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It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Automatic capitalization

 

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 09:38 AM, marilyn wrote:
every time my cursor goes to a new line
-
What do you mean by that, exactly?

The default behavior is to capitalize the beginning character of sentences or paragraphs if they are accidentally left uncapitalized.  In a word processor, you should not be hitting Enter except to force a new paragraph.  The word processor itself flows all of the text within a paragraph according ot the spacing you set up.

The way you phrased this makes it sound like you may be hitting Enter, at times, in the middle of a sentence to get a word on the next line, and while one could do that it's unnecessary as word flow is handled automatically based on the margins you've set.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Outlook 365 Question

Mark Arnold ABG
 

List,

 

I am having difficulty with the concept of Address book and Contacts.  Is there a discernable difference or are they synonymous?

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark

 


moderated Re: window or mac

Leo
 

HI, Windows 11 and Big Sur user here! My piece of advice, if you like to learn new things, just take the plunge, the learning curve was not Herculean labor for me because in trying new gadgets and apps, I am Indiana Jones, lol.  Bear in mind that you will be facing not only new commands but also a new concept on how to understand an ecosystem. You will know in a day or two  if you made the right choice because either you will dream about yourself sitting in front of your Mac or you will go psychotic. Drawing on my own experience, I can tell you that personally the only case I wouldn’t recommend a Mac computer to a Windows PC user is if the person is a heavy user of Microsoft Word. Let’s just say that text-processing is the downside for screen reader users in Mac, at least when it comes to be productive. Not that pages is not accessible, oh pages is so beautiful and accessible, but you don’t want to export every single document into a word document because it is time-consuming. Besides, most of the format will be lost, and using MS Word in Mac is like traveling to Colonial Williamsburg in a tripod.

 

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
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moderated Re: Automatic capitalization

Bill White
 

Hi, Marilyn. To rid yourself of unwanted capitalization,

 

1. Open Microsoft Word.

2. Press ALT followed by the letters F, then T.

3. Arrow down to Proofing.

4. Press SPACE on the AutoCorrect Options button.

5. Uncheck any options related to capitalization which you do not want to occur automatically.

6. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

7. The options you uncheck should no longer be capitalized automatically.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marilyn
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 6:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Automatic capitalization

 

Hello all,

 

Out of the blue I’m now getting the comment “auto correct” every time my cursor goes to a new line and the first letter of that word is automatically capitalized. How do I get rid of this action? I recently updated Windows and Jaws on my desktop.  Step by step will be much appreciated. Many thanks.

 

Marilyn

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do you underline a word?

 

And you’re also using some version of MS Word? In that case, highlight the word or passage you wish to underline, then press control-u. JAWS will announce something like, “Underline.”

One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Automatic capitalization

marilyn
 

Hello all,

 

Out of the blue I’m now getting the comment “auto correct” every time my cursor goes to a new line and the first letter of that word is automatically capitalized. How do I get rid of this action? I recently updated Windows and Jaws on my desktop.  Step by step will be much appreciated. Many thanks.

 

Marilyn

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do you underline a word?

 

And you’re also using some version of MS Word? In that case, highlight the word or passage you wish to underline, then press control-u. JAWS will announce something like, “Underline.”

One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Question about jaws reading

Justin Williams
 

Looks like I might have to do that.

 

Probably remote in and see what's up.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about jaws reading

 

I know it is the weekend but have you tried tech support at Freedom Scientific or even calling the Microsoft Accessibility help desk?

 

I’m also wondering what might be your display brightness set too.

 

 

Milton Ota

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moderated Re: Question about jaws reading

Milton Ota
 

I know it is the weekend but have you tried tech support at Freedom Scientific or even calling the Microsoft Accessibility help desk?

 

I’m also wondering what might be your display brightness set too.

 

 

Milton Ota

ICAN Island Computer Access Now

4273 Coventry Dr., S.

Unit E

Fargo, ND 58104-4498

 

Ph: (701) 731-0511

Email: mota1252@...

 

               

 

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