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moderated Re: Question about jaws reading

Justin Williams
 

So, even though I did uncheck smart read, I am still having the same problem with JAWS not reading when I read by word.  It may read some of them, but they it still won't say anything when I read word by word.

 

Thanks

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about jaws reading

 

Hi, Justin. It's in one of two places. First it's in the JAWS Startup Wizard, under Help.

 

Secondly, it is in Quick Settings (JAWS key plus V). When the search box opens, after you press JAWS key plus V, enter the word smart, and Smart Reading will come up in the search. If it is checked, try unchecking it, and see if that makes a difference in how you can navigate with the arrow keys. Make sure to TAB to the OK button to save the changes.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about jaws reading

 

Where is smart word reading?

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 7:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about jaws reading

 

Check to see if Smart Word reading is on. If it is, try turning it off.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 3:53 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question about jaws reading

 

I have Jaws 2021, and windows 10. Office 2016

 

I've noticed, that when I read by word in Microsoft word, that JAWS sometimes doesn't read.

 

The cursor will move, but it will not say anything.

When I read Character  by Character it works fine.

 

Why is that? 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Justin


moderated Re: window or mac

Mich Verrier
 

Hi Judy. As far as I can remember from using peoples max over the years it is different than using the iPhone because of the keystrokes and because there’s a lot more interaction need to do with the elements on the screen where as with windows Joyce generally takes care of all that and you don’t have to interact as much as you do on the mat and for that matter even on iOS devices there’s not as much interaction with different elements on the screen at least that’s been my experience Brian and others might have different experiences I’ve only tried the Mac on from different people that I’ve known over the years have let me use their MacBook some things and that’s been my experience. from Mich


On Oct 9, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Judy <bunchkinbear@...> wrote:



Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

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It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

Michael Hunsaker
 

The screen readers are very different for Mac OS relative to both JAWS and NVDA.  Even very different from iOS VoiceOver. 

Ryan



On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 15:19 meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:
 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 

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moderated Re: how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

Mike B.
 

Hi Jim,
 
Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center, Insert / Jaws Key + 6, on the number row and press, Control, Shift + D, to open default all applications.
 
2. Arrow down to, Web / HTML / PDF's, and right arrow to open.
 
3. Arrow down to, Reading, and right arrow to open.
 
4. Down arrow to,Configure web verboscity levels closed, and right arrow to open.
 
5. Arrow down to, Block quoatation, and uncheck this checkbox.  Now tab to, Okay, press the spacebar, tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay,
and press enter to save and close.
 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 3:44 PM
Subject: how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

I am running jaws 2021 and windows ten. Ji006D


moderated Re: window or mac

 

Judy,

I will allow others who may be using MacOS and iOS to comment in detail, but the differences between any smartphone/tablet OS, and any desktop/laptop OS, is vast.

iOS skills do not, in my observation and experience, intuitively (or anything to it) transfer over to MacOS and vice versa.  The ecosystems are significantly different because the entire design idioms of a touch based OS and a mouse or keyboard based OS are just not the same.  [This was equally true for Windows and the Windows Phone, when the latter and Windows Mobile OS still existed.]

iOS and MacOS cannot be described, in any meaningful way, as "the same OS."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

Judy
 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

Cohn, Jonathan
 

You need to set your HTML verbosity to high or adjust your HTML for rusty you can find these in settings centers using insert six to get there.


On Oct 9, 2021, at 6:44 PM, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:



I am running jaws 2021 and windows ten. Ji006D


moderated Re: how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

Ann Byrne
 

Settings center.verbosity (beginner)
configure verbosity. It's hiding in there.

At 05:44 PM 10/9/2021, you wrote:

I am running jaws 2021 and windows ten. Ji006D


moderated Re: window or mac

JM Casey
 

Windows updates dont’ occur that frequently and theyr’e usually painless.

From what you described, your needs are pretty minimal. Granted, I avoid all Apple products, but speaking as objectively as I can, you could definitely get away with a cheap PC and be fine for several years. People sell decent computers all the time; look around local markets. The laptop I paid $200 for runs Windows 10 just fine, and has plenty of ports for plugging in peripherals. It even has a CD/dvd drive/burner.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: October 9, 2021 06:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

well my concern is window always update  and get new computer and paying more for Jaws

 

and mac don't to paying voiceover or get new computer more often

right?

what I want to use computer just formemail and website that it or yeah and  files  

 thanks

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 4:03 PM

Subject: Re: window or mac

 

It all depends on your needs, wants and finances. When I went blind I bought my first Mac, I had used Windows for nearly 20 years at that point in time. You will have to pry my Mac out of my dead cold hands, I currently on a Windows machine and I hate it.



On Oct 9, 2021, at 5:19 PM, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:



 

 

hi Rosie here...

I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?

thanks

 


moderated Re: window or mac

 

1. You don't need to use JAWS.  If the expense of JAWS is a concern to you, then consider both NVDA and Narrator.

2.  Apple hardware, all of it, whether computers or smartphones, is significantly more expensive than Windows hardware in the same class.

3.  Windows Updates have been, as a general rule, a non-issue.  And with the advent of Windows 11 feature updates are to occur only once per year rather than the current twice per year under Windows 10.  And, to be honest, I think that policy will end up being back ported to Windows 10.

4.  Hardware ages at about the same rate of speed no matter what the operating system.  You don't necessarily get longer life out of Apple computers than Windows computers.  The problem is, that even the cheapest Apple (which isn't cheap by a long shot) is much more expensive than the entry-level crap available in the PC world.  But people try to compare entry level PC hardware, which is generally awful, with entry level Macs, and the two are not even vaguely of the same class of hardware.  And when the hardware itself is comparable, the price of PCs in the same class is generally quite a bit lower.

5. Your self-described intended uses do not require a high-end PC or Mac.  Basic emailing, web browsing, streaming, and using office suite programs will work just fine on a mid-grade PC.  Buying a high-end PC for such use is a colossal waste of money.
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It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

Jim Rawls
 

I am running jaws 2021 and windows ten. Ji006D


moderated Re: window or mac

meow meow
 

well my concern is window always update  and get new computer and paying more for Jaws
 
and mac don't to paying voiceover or get new computer more often
right?
what I want to use computer just formemail and website that it or yeah and  files  
 thanks

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: window or mac

It all depends on your needs, wants and finances. When I went blind I bought my first Mac, I had used Windows for nearly 20 years at that point in time. You will have to pry my Mac out of my dead cold hands, I currently on a Windows machine and I hate it.


On Oct 9, 2021, at 5:19 PM, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:


 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 04:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.
-
Just to add to this concept, anything after the text you intend to highlight will do.  I'll often type the next word, or even complete the sentence, then go back to the first word I want to have formatting applied to, complete my selection, and hit the key or keys to get the formatting I want.

CTRL + B    Bold
CTRL + I    Italic
CTRL + U   Underline

And a couple of less frequently used ones:

CTRL + =  Subscript drop
CTRL + Shift + Plus Sign  Superscript lift
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.
They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.
-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
 

It all depends on your needs, wants and finances. When I went blind I bought my first Mac, I had used Windows for nearly 20 years at that point in time. You will have to pry my Mac out of my dead cold hands, I currently on a Windows machine and I hate it.


On Oct 9, 2021, at 5:19 PM, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:


 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated Re: window or mac

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.
They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner 
  




website:  www.turner42.com

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

On Oct 9, 2021, at 2:21 PM, crayton Benner <craybay3198@...> wrote:

 Really it’s your choice.. It depends on what you want. It’s not a matter of what’s better, it’s what you want. 

On Oct 9, 2021, at 17:19, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:

 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated Re: window or mac

crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

Really it’s your choice.. It depends on what you want. It’s not a matter of what’s better, it’s what you want. 

On Oct 9, 2021, at 17:19, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:

 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated window or mac

meow meow
 

 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

Adrian Spratt
 

And you’re also using some version of MS Word? In that case, highlight the word or passage you wish to underline, then press control-u. JAWS will announce something like, “Underline.”

One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
 

It should be control U. 

On Oct 9, 2021, at 15:13, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim

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