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moderated Re: window or mac

Judy
 

Brian,  I understand your point, but this is my question. Lots of us have iPhones and use windows. Since I am so used to doing a lot on my iPhone, since it is the same OS as a Mac computer, how much more is there to learn? Yes, keystrokes are different but outside of that, why would it be so hard?  Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.

They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.

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Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

Cohn, Jonathan
 

You need to set your HTML verbosity to high or adjust your HTML for rusty you can find these in settings centers using insert six to get there.


On Oct 9, 2021, at 6:44 PM, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:



I am running jaws 2021 and windows ten. Ji006D


moderated Re: how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

Ann Byrne
 

Settings center.verbosity (beginner)
configure verbosity. It's hiding in there.

At 05:44 PM 10/9/2021, you wrote:

I am running jaws 2021 and windows ten. Ji006D


moderated Re: window or mac

JM Casey
 

Windows updates dont’ occur that frequently and theyr’e usually painless.

From what you described, your needs are pretty minimal. Granted, I avoid all Apple products, but speaking as objectively as I can, you could definitely get away with a cheap PC and be fine for several years. People sell decent computers all the time; look around local markets. The laptop I paid $200 for runs Windows 10 just fine, and has plenty of ports for plugging in peripherals. It even has a CD/dvd drive/burner.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: October 9, 2021 06:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: window or mac

 

well my concern is window always update  and get new computer and paying more for Jaws

 

and mac don't to paying voiceover or get new computer more often

right?

what I want to use computer just formemail and website that it or yeah and  files  

 thanks

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 4:03 PM

Subject: Re: window or mac

 

It all depends on your needs, wants and finances. When I went blind I bought my first Mac, I had used Windows for nearly 20 years at that point in time. You will have to pry my Mac out of my dead cold hands, I currently on a Windows machine and I hate it.



On Oct 9, 2021, at 5:19 PM, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:



 

 

hi Rosie here...

I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?

thanks

 


moderated Re: window or mac

 

1. You don't need to use JAWS.  If the expense of JAWS is a concern to you, then consider both NVDA and Narrator.

2.  Apple hardware, all of it, whether computers or smartphones, is significantly more expensive than Windows hardware in the same class.

3.  Windows Updates have been, as a general rule, a non-issue.  And with the advent of Windows 11 feature updates are to occur only once per year rather than the current twice per year under Windows 10.  And, to be honest, I think that policy will end up being back ported to Windows 10.

4.  Hardware ages at about the same rate of speed no matter what the operating system.  You don't necessarily get longer life out of Apple computers than Windows computers.  The problem is, that even the cheapest Apple (which isn't cheap by a long shot) is much more expensive than the entry-level crap available in the PC world.  But people try to compare entry level PC hardware, which is generally awful, with entry level Macs, and the two are not even vaguely of the same class of hardware.  And when the hardware itself is comparable, the price of PCs in the same class is generally quite a bit lower.

5. Your self-described intended uses do not require a high-end PC or Mac.  Basic emailing, web browsing, streaming, and using office suite programs will work just fine on a mid-grade PC.  Buying a high-end PC for such use is a colossal waste of money.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated how do I get rid of jaws saying block quote?

Jim Rawls
 

I am running jaws 2021 and windows ten. Ji006D


moderated Re: window or mac

meow meow
 

well my concern is window always update  and get new computer and paying more for Jaws
 
and mac don't to paying voiceover or get new computer more often
right?
what I want to use computer just formemail and website that it or yeah and  files  
 thanks

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: window or mac

It all depends on your needs, wants and finances. When I went blind I bought my first Mac, I had used Windows for nearly 20 years at that point in time. You will have to pry my Mac out of my dead cold hands, I currently on a Windows machine and I hate it.


On Oct 9, 2021, at 5:19 PM, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:


 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 04:46 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.
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Just to add to this concept, anything after the text you intend to highlight will do.  I'll often type the next word, or even complete the sentence, then go back to the first word I want to have formatting applied to, complete my selection, and hit the key or keys to get the formatting I want.

CTRL + B    Bold
CTRL + I    Italic
CTRL + U   Underline

And a couple of less frequently used ones:

CTRL + =  Subscript drop
CTRL + Shift + Plus Sign  Superscript lift
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 05:37 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.
They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.
-
Amen!  Amen!!  Amen!!!

And this is without regard to visual status.  It is always a non-trivial undertaking to learn a new operating system, be it Windows, Linux, or MacOS when you are already well versed in one of those.  And it's insanely frustrating, not that it cannot be done, because so much of what you do under any operating system becomes so familiar as to be almost like breathing.  When, suddenly, almost everything you have been doing for years on autopilot requires thought, and involves making mistakes as part of the process, it's just plain frustrating

If you have a good reason for switching, then go for it.  And there can be good reasons.  But if you don't already know what a good reason would be, then you don't have one.  Avoid needless pain.

At this point both Windows and MacOS are very accessible.  And the advent of a real screen reader in the form of Narrator, that's still being improved constantly, as a part of Windows takes away a favoring of MacOS because VoiceOver is built-in.  And even if Narrator weren't there, NVDA cannot be discounted as a full-functioning, free (though donations are strongly encouraged for those who can afford them) screen reader for Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: window or mac

Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
 

It all depends on your needs, wants and finances. When I went blind I bought my first Mac, I had used Windows for nearly 20 years at that point in time. You will have to pry my Mac out of my dead cold hands, I currently on a Windows machine and I hate it.


On Oct 9, 2021, at 5:19 PM, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:


 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated Re: window or mac

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If you already know one system; I'd stick with that system.
They are quite different, and unlearning one to switch to another is a lot of work.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner 
  




website:  www.turner42.com

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

On Oct 9, 2021, at 2:21 PM, crayton Benner <craybay3198@...> wrote:

 Really it’s your choice.. It depends on what you want. It’s not a matter of what’s better, it’s what you want. 

On Oct 9, 2021, at 17:19, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:

 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated Re: window or mac

crayton Benner
 

Really it’s your choice.. It depends on what you want. It’s not a matter of what’s better, it’s what you want. 

On Oct 9, 2021, at 17:19, meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:

 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated window or mac

meow meow
 

 
 
hi Rosie here...
I wonder which is better or best to get new computer window or mac?
thanks
 


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

Adrian Spratt
 

And you’re also using some version of MS Word? In that case, highlight the word or passage you wish to underline, then press control-u. JAWS will announce something like, “Underline.”

One caveat that will be obvious to people with sight but not those without: if you underline, italicize or bold something and then continue typing right away, the newly typed text will also be underlined, etc. What I do to prevent this from happening is to add a comma after the text I’m about to underline. When I’ve completed the underlining, I add a space after the comma, then delete the comma, which won’t have been underlined. Of course, if you want a comma there anyway, all the better.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do you underline a word?

 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: how do you underline a word?

crayton Benner
 

It should be control U. 

On Oct 9, 2021, at 15:13, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated how do you underline a word?

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all, I have forgotten how to do it. I am using jaws 2021 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Extraneous speech when pressing alt tab in Windows 11

Leo
 

No, this doesn’t happen when you use Jaws 2022.

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 4:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Extraneous speech when pressing alt tab in Windows 11

 

               Hi,

 

I’m running JAWS 2021 and have just upgraded to Windows 11.

 

When I first press alt tab, before the first app is announced I get extraneous verbiage which sounds something like:

“Task switching, task switching desktop Windows amrl source, running apps, list box.”

 

Does anyone else get this, and can anyone confirm whether this is fixed in JAWS 2022 Beta 2?

 

Cheers,

 

Ed


moderated Re: two Microsoft word questions.

Adrian Spratt
 

Two minor additions. First, as Richard (I think it was) said, once you’ve typed the search and replacement terms, the shortcut to search and replace all terms is alt-a.

Second, to get out of search-and-replace, I find I need to press the escape key twice.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 3:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: two Microsoft word questions.

 

I’m not sure I’m understanding the first part of your message properly, but if you are already in a Word document and want to find and change a word, then use control h and type the word you want to change. Then use the tab key to find the edit field where you want to type the alternative word. You can choose to do this just once or make the changes for every occurrence. Then tab to ok.

 

Alison

change

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: 09 October 2021 04:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: two Microsoft word questions.

 

Hi all,

First, I am writing a word document, and I want to replace a person’s name with a different name. Isn’t there a way to find the name in the document, and replace it  with another? I thought there was a key stroke to use to find the word  you want    to replace.

Second, what is the key stroke to do a  wordcount in a document? I am using jaws 2021 office 2019 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Email Group in Office 365

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Open Contacts.

Press your applications key, or shift+f10.

Arrow down once maybe twice, to New Contact Group.

The rest I think is pretty much the same as before.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Arnold ABG
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 6:08 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Email Group in Office 365

 

Hello,

 

I have been using Outlook in Office 365 for a year now and I am having difficulty setting up a new email/contact list.  Previously, I was using Office 2010 and it was relatively simple.  I went into the address book, went to file, new entry and found new contact group.  I’m not sure wear to find new contact group.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

Thanks in advance,

Mark


moderated Re: Extraneous speech when pressing alt tab in Windows 11

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Try installing the Jaws 2022 beta since FS says it is required to use Windows 11 fully.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner 
  




website:  www.turner42.com

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

On Oct 9, 2021, at 3:47 AM, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote:



               Hi,

 

I’m running JAWS 2021 and have just upgraded to Windows 11.

 

When I first press alt tab, before the first app is announced I get extraneous verbiage which sounds something like:

“Task switching, task switching desktop Windows amrl source, running apps, list box.”

 

Does anyone else get this, and can anyone confirm whether this is fixed in JAWS 2022 Beta 2?

 

Cheers,

 

Ed

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