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moderated Re: two Microsoft word questions.

CJ &AA MAY <chrisalismay@...>
 

Thanks guys for these shortcuts.

I belong to a creative writing group and we often have to write pieces which are word-limited and until I saw these suggestions, the only way I could do this was by using f6.

 

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: 09 October 2021 05:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: two Microsoft word questions.

 

For the word count, I press control-shift-g. Arrow down through the details. Press escape to exit.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: two Microsoft word questions.

 

Hi all,

First, I am writing a word document, and I want to replace a person’s name with a different name. Isn’t there a way to find the name in the document, and replace it  with another? I thought there was a key stroke to use to find the word  you want    to replace.

Second, what is the key stroke to do a  wordcount in a document? I am using jaws 2021 office 2019 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: two Microsoft word questions.

CJ &AA MAY <chrisalismay@...>
 

I’m not sure I’m understanding the first part of your message properly, but if you are already in a Word document and want to find and change a word, then use control h and type the word you want to change. Then use the tab key to find the edit field where you want to type the alternative word. You can choose to do this just once or make the changes for every occurrence. Then tab to ok.

 

Alison

change

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: 09 October 2021 04:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: two Microsoft word questions.

 

Hi all,

First, I am writing a word document, and I want to replace a person’s name with a different name. Isn’t there a way to find the name in the document, and replace it  with another? I thought there was a key stroke to use to find the word  you want    to replace.

Second, what is the key stroke to do a  wordcount in a document? I am using jaws 2021 office 2019 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: two Microsoft word questions.

Adrian Spratt
 

For the word count, I press control-shift-g. Arrow down through the details. Press escape to exit.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: two Microsoft word questions.

 

Hi all,

First, I am writing a word document, and I want to replace a person’s name with a different name. Isn’t there a way to find the name in the document, and replace it  with another? I thought there was a key stroke to use to find the word  you want    to replace.

Second, what is the key stroke to do a  wordcount in a document? I am using jaws 2021 office 2019 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: two Microsoft word questions.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

The find and replace command is control+h. The first box is what you what to find; tab to the next box and put in your replace it with. Then, Alt-a will replace all.
If anything goes south on you, control+z is your friend.

I think you can get to word count with alt+r then w.
I'm away from my computer, so cannot double check that.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner 
  




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On Oct 8, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:



Hi all,

First, I am writing a word document, and I want to replace a person’s name with a different name. Isn’t there a way to find the name in the document, and replace it  with another? I thought there was a key stroke to use to find the word  you want    to replace.

Second, what is the key stroke to do a  wordcount in a document? I am using jaws 2021 office 2019 and windows ten. Jim


moderated two Microsoft word questions.

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all,

First, I am writing a word document, and I want to replace a person’s name with a different name. Isn’t there a way to find the name in the document, and replace it  with another? I thought there was a key stroke to use to find the word  you want    to replace.

Second, what is the key stroke to do a  wordcount in a document? I am using jaws 2021 office 2019 and windows ten. Jim


moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

 

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 03:38 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
Can knowing it [JAWS Scripting] fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible?
-
The simple answer to this question is, "No."

As a general statement, regarding any programming language (and I count scripts in that broad category) there is no one, universal tool that can be used to fix every issue.  The reasons that so many actually exist is that what they're being used for has very often driven the development of the language itself.

There is a lot that JAWS scripting can do, and particularly if you're faced with custom software that is not web based that is inaccessible.  As web based systems have become more common, and so much is now done through a web browser, even if it's a proprietary in-house system, that scripting is less necessary than it once was.

This is not to discourage you from learning whatever you may wish to learn about JAWS scripting, but it's not a silver bullet and panacea for all accessibility issues.
 
--

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    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Justin Williams
 

Great discussion folks, hadn't had one of these in a while on here.


Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rod
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 5:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Friends:

Mike is getting a lot of good feedback, but I wanted to chime-in once more
to suggest that beyond the immediate use of scripting, it is good to be able
to think in this manner regardless of what job you do, if you are able to
acquire such a skill.

Learning how to script allows you to also understand why software are
inaccessible. You may never become a scripter beyond there but this will
help you to explain to future employers exactly what needs to be done to
assist you. It is about empowerment at the end of the day.

When I was practicing law, the software I wanted to use for my firm had some
minor accessible challenges. Because I had been exposed to scripting, I knew
that those challenges could in-fact be overcome. I however was not equipped
to tackle the challenge on my own. I knew enough to reach out to Jackie M to
assist and she assisted me to write a 5 line script that resolved 90 percent
of the issues I was facing. I was able to use the software for many ears
before I adopted something else.

Wile I do not script professionally, I have all kinds of little scripts I
wrote to enhance how I use the computer to increase productivity on a daily
basis. And because I was exposed to scripting, I was also able to pick-up
Python fairly quickly. I do not program professionally but I leverage my
Python skills frequently to automate boring stuff that gets in the way of my
productivity.

so, it is more about possessing the technical knowledge if it is something
you can acquire and less about predicting how and whether you will ever use
it on the job. Learning how to script is learning how to solve problems. You
will need to be thinking in this manner on the job, regardless of what the
job is.


rod,







Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Yes, Robin, I think that is a very good point. I think I have only heard
about JAWS scripts being used in jobs like customer service at banks, and
call centers, but I do think it would be good to know in what kinds of
situations they might be useful.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin
via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

I think you are asking good questions, Mike. I do not have the bandwidth to
learn scripting, but I would appreciate a webinar or something that explains
the questions you ask. I honestly don't know what issues I face at work
could be solved by scripting and it hasn't been on my radar to ask this
question. Knowing enough to be able to discern if scripting would solve an
issue would be a smart thing to know.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 1:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

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Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know

very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is
inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost
at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs
to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming
process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws
scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is
Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person?
Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert
scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if
I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had

I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike






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moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Justin Williams
 

I would think that a programmer has better reasons to learn it and can make
better use of scripting, even if that is not the actual job the person is
working, then I could. OIf I were a programmer, personally, I would learn
it if I could, only because I might decide to work in the field of
accessibility, or like Rodd Said, you would have a far greater chance in
fixing problems with accessibility then I would.

As that I am not a programmer, and not working in the field of
accessibility, I wouldn't learn it because it is too far outside of my skill
range.


Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rod
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 5:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Friends:

Mike is getting a lot of good feedback, but I wanted to chime-in once more
to suggest that beyond the immediate use of scripting, it is good to be able
to think in this manner regardless of what job you do, if you are able to
acquire such a skill.

Learning how to script allows you to also understand why software are
inaccessible. You may never become a scripter beyond there but this will
help you to explain to future employers exactly what needs to be done to
assist you. It is about empowerment at the end of the day.

When I was practicing law, the software I wanted to use for my firm had some
minor accessible challenges. Because I had been exposed to scripting, I knew
that those challenges could in-fact be overcome. I however was not equipped
to tackle the challenge on my own. I knew enough to reach out to Jackie M to
assist and she assisted me to write a 5 line script that resolved 90 percent
of the issues I was facing. I was able to use the software for many ears
before I adopted something else.

Wile I do not script professionally, I have all kinds of little scripts I
wrote to enhance how I use the computer to increase productivity on a daily
basis. And because I was exposed to scripting, I was also able to pick-up
Python fairly quickly. I do not program professionally but I leverage my
Python skills frequently to automate boring stuff that gets in the way of my
productivity.

so, it is more about possessing the technical knowledge if it is something
you can acquire and less about predicting how and whether you will ever use
it on the job. Learning how to script is learning how to solve problems. You
will need to be thinking in this manner on the job, regardless of what the
job is.


rod,







Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Yes, Robin, I think that is a very good point. I think I have only heard
about JAWS scripts being used in jobs like customer service at banks, and
call centers, but I do think it would be good to know in what kinds of
situations they might be useful.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin
via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

I think you are asking good questions, Mike. I do not have the bandwidth to
learn scripting, but I would appreciate a webinar or something that explains
the questions you ask. I honestly don't know what issues I face at work
could be solved by scripting and it hasn't been on my radar to ask this
question. Knowing enough to be able to discern if scripting would solve an
issue would be a smart thing to know.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 1:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before
clicking links or opening attachments.


Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know

very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is
inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost
at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs
to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming
process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws
scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is
Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person?
Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert
scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if
I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had

I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike






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moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Rod
 

Friends:

Mike is getting a lot of good feedback, but I wanted to chime-in once more to suggest that beyond the immediate use of scripting, it is good to be able to think in this manner regardless of what job you do, if you are able to acquire such a skill.

Learning how to script allows you to also understand why software are inaccessible. You may never become a scripter beyond there but this will help you to explain to future employers exactly what needs to be done to assist you. It is about empowerment at the end of the day.

When I was practicing law, the software I wanted to use for my firm had some minor accessible challenges. Because I had been exposed to scripting, I knew that those challenges could in-fact be overcome. I however was not equipped to tackle the challenge on my own. I knew enough to reach out to Jackie M to assist and she assisted me to write a 5 line script that resolved 90 percent of the issues I was facing. I was able to use the software for many ears before I adopted something else.

Wile I do not script professionally, I have all kinds of little scripts I wrote to enhance how I use the computer to increase productivity on a daily basis. And because I was exposed to scripting, I was also able to pick-up Python fairly quickly. I do not program professionally but I leverage my Python skills frequently to automate boring stuff that gets in the way of my productivity.

so, it is more about possessing the technical knowledge if it is something you can acquire and less about predicting how and whether you will ever use it on the job. Learning how to script is learning how to solve problems. You will need to be thinking in this manner on the job, regardless of what the job is.


rod,







Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Yes, Robin, I think that is a very good point. I think I have only heard about JAWS scripts being used in jobs like customer service at banks, and call centers, but I do think it would be good to know in what kinds of situations they might be useful.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

I think you are asking good questions, Mike. I do not have the bandwidth to learn scripting, but I would appreciate a webinar or something that explains the questions you ask. I honestly don't know what issues I face at work could be solved by scripting and it hasn't been on my radar to ask this question. Knowing enough to be able to discern if scripting would solve an issue would be a smart thing to know.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 1:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.


Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike






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moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Justin Williams
 

That person is one in a million who could and would do that.

The company wasn't following WACG accessibility guidelines, because a regular CSR employee shouldn't have to do that. Most don't have that knowledge, and sighted employees don't do that.

That is great that this individual can do that, but that is way out of the norm, and an unnecessary to work as a customer service rep.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hello all,

Thanks again for the variety of responses. To answer some of the questions: I got my bachelors degree in information systems. I worked as a programmer analyst for six years.

It’s really helpful to hear from those of you who still found job success without knowing scripting. I would still be willing to learn some basic scripting, as it became helpful, but it’s definitely not something I know much about. I realize it takes a lot of time, to become an expert. What made me think of this question was a podcast that I listened to through the American Council of the Blind. Someone was talking about their success as a customer service person. They said that they had to learn to script their screen reader, which they did in the evening, so they could have success on the job. I found that a little overwhelming, because I thought oh no, I don’t know anything about scripting. I didn’t use scripting in my previous job as a programmer. I used the command line and visual studio a lot. I also used a Clips.

To the person who said they would use indeed and LinkedIn for the job search, I am on those sites. You can also look for remote work opportunities on those sites, by putting the keyword remote in the search on indeed for example.

Pam, what technologies did you work with as a programmer analyst?

Thank you,
Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

It involved a lot of one-on-one work with end users, which I really enjoyed. I always brought a laptop with me to meetings to take notes. The main issue I had with that job was their use of diagrams, which obviously presented a problem for me. Generally, though, I could get the same description of what was being shown in the picture for visually oriented people, so it didn't end up being a major issue.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hi Pam,

What was your job like as a Systems Analyst?

To the rest of you who have responded, thank you. I’ll probably continue by checking websites like indeed.com for my skills.

Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

I have not done any JAWS scripting and have been working in the IT field as a programmer, systems analyst and now DBA for more years than I care to count. I'm not sure which websites are the best place to hunt for jobs these days as I haven't looked for about 15 years.

I have found most things that I have needed to use for my jobs over the years have been fairly accessible, but I'm sure it depends on the kind of job you are wanting. In situations where something has not been accessible, there is usually an alternative way of accomplishing the same thing.

Good luck to you. I know the job hunting process can be frustrating, but in my opinion, I would not concentrate on heavily learning JAWS scripting without first knowing what you might need it for.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hi Lori,

I probably plan to stay in IT. What kind of work did you do for Social Security? How did you find that job? Now days, what websites would you research for job postings? What kind of IT work is most commonly performed by the blind community, that would present the least amount of accessibility issues?

Thank you,
Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Lori Lynn <grandma.lori@...> wrote:
Mike,

It all depends on what type of job you are looking for and the size of the company. I worked for the Social Security Administration for 34 years before retiring. They had a department that was responsible for assistive technology testing as well as writing needed scripts to make it all work. I know absolutely nothing about scripting and was extremely successful in my various jobs with the agency.

If you want to learn scripting, then do it. But you can certainly go through life without knowing it.

Lori Lynn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike

























moderated Re: Jaws2021 firefox bookmark for laptop

O.Addison Gethers
 

Well I’m not getting answer from anyone  in here

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:12 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2021 firefox bookmark for laptop

 

Hi All

I have laptop computer Windows10  and jaws2021  ,firefox version 91.03  !! When I opened firefox  when the homepage  open  then I press alt + b for bookmark  then I press any lfirst letter of any website I want to read  for example  when I press first letter f for facebook  it won’t do anything  I think the letter b for bookmark  isn’t activate  for bookmark menu  so I can press the first letter for it say facebook  to presenter  

What do I need to do to fix this problem?

Addison


moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Well, my programmer/analyst days were many years ago, so the technology has changed a good bit since then. Since 1990, I have been a database administrator. I mostly have used the command line on unix and linux. In my old days of programmer/analyst work, that was mostly on mainframes. You can tell what a dinosaur I am!

In my DBA work, I mainly use the command line, and Oracle Enterprise Manager, which is surprisingly accessible. I have not had success with getting SQL Developer to talk to me, so I have stuck to the command line.

I have been away from programming for a long time now, so I don't know anything about the accessibility of developer tools these days.

I have really found DBA work to be a good fit for me. Even though there are graphical tools for this work, most everything can also be done from a command line.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hello all,

Thanks again for the variety of responses. To answer some of the questions: I got my bachelors degree in information systems. I worked as a programmer analyst for six years.

It’s really helpful to hear from those of you who still found job success without knowing scripting. I would still be willing to learn some basic scripting, as it became helpful, but it’s definitely not something I know much about. I realize it takes a lot of time, to become an expert. What made me think of this question was a podcast that I listened to through the American Council of the Blind. Someone was talking about their success as a customer service person. They said that they had to learn to script their screen reader, which they did in the evening, so they could have success on the job. I found that a little overwhelming, because I thought oh no, I don’t know anything about scripting. I didn’t use scripting in my previous job as a programmer. I used the command line and visual studio a lot. I also used a Clips.

To the person who said they would use indeed and LinkedIn for the job search, I am on those sites. You can also look for remote work opportunities on those sites, by putting the keyword remote in the search on indeed for example.

Pam, what technologies did you work with as a programmer analyst?

Thank you,
Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

It involved a lot of one-on-one work with end users, which I really enjoyed. I always brought a laptop with me to meetings to take notes. The main issue I had with that job was their use of diagrams, which obviously presented a problem for me. Generally, though, I could get the same description of what was being shown in the picture for visually oriented people, so it didn't end up being a major issue.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hi Pam,

What was your job like as a Systems Analyst?

To the rest of you who have responded, thank you. I’ll probably continue by checking websites like indeed.com for my skills.

Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

I have not done any JAWS scripting and have been working in the IT field as a programmer, systems analyst and now DBA for more years than I care to count. I'm not sure which websites are the best place to hunt for jobs these days as I haven't looked for about 15 years.

I have found most things that I have needed to use for my jobs over the years have been fairly accessible, but I'm sure it depends on the kind of job you are wanting. In situations where something has not been accessible, there is usually an alternative way of accomplishing the same thing.

Good luck to you. I know the job hunting process can be frustrating, but in my opinion, I would not concentrate on heavily learning JAWS scripting without first knowing what you might need it for.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hi Lori,

I probably plan to stay in IT. What kind of work did you do for Social Security? How did you find that job? Now days, what websites would you research for job postings? What kind of IT work is most commonly performed by the blind community, that would present the least amount of accessibility issues?

Thank you,
Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Lori Lynn <grandma.lori@...> wrote:
Mike,

It all depends on what type of job you are looking for and the size of the company. I worked for the Social Security Administration for 34 years before retiring. They had a department that was responsible for assistive technology testing as well as writing needed scripts to make it all work. I know absolutely nothing about scripting and was extremely successful in my various jobs with the agency.

If you want to learn scripting, then do it. But you can certainly go through life without knowing it.

Lori Lynn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike

























moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Michael Walker
 

Hello all,

Thanks again for the variety of responses. To answer some of the questions: I got my bachelors degree in information systems. I worked as a programmer analyst for six years.

It’s really helpful to hear from those of you who still found job success without knowing scripting. I would still be willing to learn some basic scripting, as it became helpful, but it’s definitely not something I know much about. I realize it takes a lot of time, to become an expert. What made me think of this question was a podcast that I listened to through the American Council of the Blind. Someone was talking about their success as a customer service person. They said that they had to learn to script their screen reader, which they did in the evening, so they could have success on the job. I found that a little overwhelming, because I thought oh no, I don’t know anything about scripting. I didn’t use scripting in my previous job as a programmer. I used the command line and visual studio a lot. I also used a Clips.

To the person who said they would use indeed and LinkedIn for the job search, I am on those sites. You can also look for remote work opportunities on those sites, by putting the keyword remote in the search on indeed for example.

Pam, what technologies did you work with as a programmer analyst?

Thank you,
Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

It involved a lot of one-on-one work with end users, which I really enjoyed. I always brought a laptop with me to meetings to take notes. The main issue I had with that job was their use of diagrams, which obviously presented a problem for me. Generally, though, I could get the same description of what was being shown in the picture for visually oriented people, so it didn't end up being a major issue.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hi Pam,

What was your job like as a Systems Analyst?

To the rest of you who have responded, thank you. I’ll probably continue by checking websites like indeed.com for my skills.

Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

I have not done any JAWS scripting and have been working in the IT field as a programmer, systems analyst and now DBA for more years than I care to count. I'm not sure which websites are the best place to hunt for jobs these days as I haven't looked for about 15 years.

I have found most things that I have needed to use for my jobs over the years have been fairly accessible, but I'm sure it depends on the kind of job you are wanting. In situations where something has not been accessible, there is usually an alternative way of accomplishing the same thing.

Good luck to you. I know the job hunting process can be frustrating, but in my opinion, I would not concentrate on heavily learning JAWS scripting without first knowing what you might need it for.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hi Lori,

I probably plan to stay in IT. What kind of work did you do for Social Security? How did you find that job? Now days, what websites would you research for job postings? What kind of IT work is most commonly performed by the blind community, that would present the least amount of accessibility issues?

Thank you,
Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Lori Lynn <grandma.lori@...> wrote:
Mike,

It all depends on what type of job you are looking for and the size of the company. I worked for the Social Security Administration for 34 years before retiring. They had a department that was responsible for assistive technology testing as well as writing needed scripts to make it all work. I know absolutely nothing about scripting and was extremely successful in my various jobs with the agency.

If you want to learn scripting, then do it. But you can certainly go through life without knowing it.

Lori Lynn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike

























moderated Re: outlook 2019 with jaws 2019 and activating mail rules

Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nchan@...>
 

What are you trying to accomplish
You want to move rules? move mails to a certain folder? or move certain groups' emails into a folder?

Generally, most people use the subject line to move emails into a folder but I don't. i use email header as this method is more accurate than the subject line.
As a subject line like in some cases, someone can forward email to you with certain subject keywords, then it will be accidentally moved into those folders. that will work very well in email groups. For individuals, you generally tag them by using their email address.

you just need to learn how to use some of the capability of Outlook itself. 
you can create a quick access menu in outlook which i personally  have.
For example, I have the following items in my quick access.
1.  empty trash folder
2. forward email as attachment
3.message option
4. define send and receive group
5. mail rules

so if i want to see the email header of that particular email, you just select that email and i just hit alt -  3.
You can customize quick access by going to alt key once and move left or right and find file and then tab till you find this call  customize toolbar, enter and find   more commands 
you add message option.

i wish i know where to find it i meant message option so to allow to see the email header
you can search the function of outlook as well from the toolbar

maybe some other knowledgeable member can chime in



Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:15, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapointe89@...> wrote:

Hi, I would greatly benefit to set up some mail rules as sometimes I miss an email.  I have tons of mail everyday. I always seem to mess up he rules and pull the hair out of my head trying to fix it.  Can you explain a few samples of setting up a mail rule? I am using office 365 with the latest jaws with windows 10.  Thanks so much in advance. Andy and Leroy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 5:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: outlook 2019 with jaws 2019 and activating mail rules

 

Sad to say, with my version of jaws 2021 and running the latest version of Outlook, jaws does the same thing as what you mentioned

 

Only NVDA will tell, activate or disable rules in that dialog area.

Even the Narrator has better  respond in that area.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan

 

 

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 15:40, William Windels via groups.io <william.windels=vdab.be@groups.io> wrote:



Hello,

 

When I am in the list of my mail rules, I can’t see with jaws if a rule is active without opening the mail rule.

In the mail rule, in the last screen, there I can turn on/off the checkbox to enable/disable the rule.

I supose, I can turn on/off the mailrule from the rulelist but Jaws isn’t giving any feedback.

 

Is this normal/known bug or doe I need a specific setting?

Kind regards,

 

 

--

Met vriendelijke groeten

William Windels

Incident Manager SWF

0477 88 4276 (ik werk niet op vrijdag-namiddag)

 


moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Phillip Gross
 

I should have added that that was the only company I’ve worked for who purchased JFW. Before that, I worked for extremely small companies and used my own copy of JAWS if not my own computer. I am looking for a job currently.


moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Phillip Gross
 

Hi, Mike. I don’t know how to script. I’ve considered learning it, but I’ve never gotten around to it. 

I’ve only had accessibility issues on the job where scripting was considered one time. At that time the company was perfectly willing to pay for it. If you think about it, they already purchased JAWS. They had made an investment in me, so they wanted to make it pay off. Unfortunately, after speaking to, at the time Freedom Scientific, they discovered that scripting wouldn’t help. There was no way to make this proprietary software accessible. 

As far as job sites, I would start with LinkedIn and Indeed if I were you. If you want remote jobs, look at Flex Jobs. There is a small monthly charge to use, but, in my opinion, it’s worth it.


moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi Mike,

I haven't looked for a job in several years; however, like you, I will be
entering the game seeking employment after I complete my course work at
Capella University. Through the university's disability services, where
there is a joint venture with the federal government to match industry
recruiters with students with disabilities; of which can make it a little
bit easier to find employment. But to your question of learning JAWS
scripting; of which, I think is a job, does not really apply. You know what
your skillsets are and if the organization needs your skills, they will hire
you. Additionally, the fact that you showed up for the interview brings
awareness of people who are qualified for a job; of which, they could be
lacking accommodative measures; thereby, making your presence reason for
change. And if you are hired, you'll be amazed the lengths the employer and
your co-workers will do to make your job more accommodative. In a sense, you
become a "poster boy." Of which, add to their marketing strategy.
Furthermore, by asking if JAWS scripting is necessary for employment, is
only diminishing the value of your current skillset. Like I said, if you're
good, and they need what you bring to the table, they will hire you.


Henry

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 3:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know
very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is
inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost
at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs
to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming
process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws
scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is
Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person?
Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert
scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if
I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had
I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike


moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Hi Mike,

It involved a lot of one-on-one work with end users, which I really enjoyed. I always brought a laptop with me to meetings to take notes. The main issue I had with that job was their use of diagrams, which obviously presented a problem for me. Generally, though, I could get the same description of what was being shown in the picture for visually oriented people, so it didn't end up being a major issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hi Pam,

What was your job like as a Systems Analyst?

To the rest of you who have responded, thank you. I’ll probably continue by checking websites like indeed.com for my skills.

Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

I have not done any JAWS scripting and have been working in the IT field as a programmer, systems analyst and now DBA for more years than I care to count. I'm not sure which websites are the best place to hunt for jobs these days as I haven't looked for about 15 years.

I have found most things that I have needed to use for my jobs over the years have been fairly accessible, but I'm sure it depends on the kind of job you are wanting. In situations where something has not been accessible, there is usually an alternative way of accomplishing the same thing.

Good luck to you. I know the job hunting process can be frustrating, but in my opinion, I would not concentrate on heavily learning JAWS scripting without first knowing what you might need it for.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hi Lori,

I probably plan to stay in IT. What kind of work did you do for Social Security? How did you find that job? Now days, what websites would you research for job postings? What kind of IT work is most commonly performed by the blind community, that would present the least amount of accessibility issues?

Thank you,
Mike

On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Lori Lynn <grandma.lori@...> wrote:

Mike,

It all depends on what type of job you are looking for and the size of the company. I worked for the Social Security Administration for 34 years before retiring. They had a department that was responsible for assistive technology testing as well as writing needed scripts to make it all work. I know absolutely nothing about scripting and was extremely successful in my various jobs with the agency.

If you want to learn scripting, then do it. But you can certainly go through life without knowing it.

Lori Lynn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike

















moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Yes, Robin, I think that is a very good point. I think I have only heard about JAWS scripts being used in jobs like customer service at banks, and call centers, but I do think it would be good to know in what kinds of situations they might be useful.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

I think you are asking good questions, Mike. I do not have the bandwidth to learn scripting, but I would appreciate a webinar or something that explains the questions you ask. I honestly don't know what issues I face at work could be solved by scripting and it hasn't been on my radar to ask this question. Knowing enough to be able to discern if scripting would solve an issue would be a smart thing to know.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 1:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

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Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike






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moderated Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions

Van Lant, Robin
 

I think you are asking good questions, Mike. I do not have the bandwidth to learn scripting, but I would appreciate a webinar or something that explains the questions you ask. I honestly don't know what issues I face at work could be solved by scripting and it hasn't been on my radar to ask this question. Knowing enough to be able to discern if scripting would solve an issue would be a smart thing to know.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 1:39 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions

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Hello all,

As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn.

What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea?

Thank you,
Mike






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