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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Justin Williams
I would think that a programmer has better reasons to learn it and can make
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better use of scripting, even if that is not the actual job the person is working, then I could. OIf I were a programmer, personally, I would learn it if I could, only because I might decide to work in the field of accessibility, or like Rodd Said, you would have a far greater chance in fixing problems with accessibility then I would. As that I am not a programmer, and not working in the field of accessibility, I wouldn't learn it because it is too far outside of my skill range. Justin
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rod Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 5:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Friends: Mike is getting a lot of good feedback, but I wanted to chime-in once more to suggest that beyond the immediate use of scripting, it is good to be able to think in this manner regardless of what job you do, if you are able to acquire such a skill. Learning how to script allows you to also understand why software are inaccessible. You may never become a scripter beyond there but this will help you to explain to future employers exactly what needs to be done to assist you. It is about empowerment at the end of the day. When I was practicing law, the software I wanted to use for my firm had some minor accessible challenges. Because I had been exposed to scripting, I knew that those challenges could in-fact be overcome. I however was not equipped to tackle the challenge on my own. I knew enough to reach out to Jackie M to assist and she assisted me to write a 5 line script that resolved 90 percent of the issues I was facing. I was able to use the software for many ears before I adopted something else. Wile I do not script professionally, I have all kinds of little scripts I wrote to enhance how I use the computer to increase productivity on a daily basis. And because I was exposed to scripting, I was also able to pick-up Python fairly quickly. I do not program professionally but I leverage my Python skills frequently to automate boring stuff that gets in the way of my productivity. so, it is more about possessing the technical knowledge if it is something you can acquire and less about predicting how and whether you will ever use it on the job. Learning how to script is learning how to solve problems. You will need to be thinking in this manner on the job, regardless of what the job is. rod, Rod Alcidonis, Esq. -----Original Message----- From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:33 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Yes, Robin, I think that is a very good point. I think I have only heard about JAWS scripts being used in jobs like customer service at banks, and call centers, but I do think it would be good to know in what kinds of situations they might be useful. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions I think you are asking good questions, Mike. I do not have the bandwidth to learn scripting, but I would appreciate a webinar or something that explains the questions you ask. I honestly don't know what issues I face at work could be solved by scripting and it hasn't been on my radar to ask this question. Knowing enough to be able to discern if scripting would solve an issue would be a smart thing to know. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 1:39 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. Hello all, As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn. What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea? Thank you, Mike KeyCorp Public This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association ("KeyBank N.A."). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Rod
Friends:
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Mike is getting a lot of good feedback, but I wanted to chime-in once more to suggest that beyond the immediate use of scripting, it is good to be able to think in this manner regardless of what job you do, if you are able to acquire such a skill. Learning how to script allows you to also understand why software are inaccessible. You may never become a scripter beyond there but this will help you to explain to future employers exactly what needs to be done to assist you. It is about empowerment at the end of the day. When I was practicing law, the software I wanted to use for my firm had some minor accessible challenges. Because I had been exposed to scripting, I knew that those challenges could in-fact be overcome. I however was not equipped to tackle the challenge on my own. I knew enough to reach out to Jackie M to assist and she assisted me to write a 5 line script that resolved 90 percent of the issues I was facing. I was able to use the software for many ears before I adopted something else. Wile I do not script professionally, I have all kinds of little scripts I wrote to enhance how I use the computer to increase productivity on a daily basis. And because I was exposed to scripting, I was also able to pick-up Python fairly quickly. I do not program professionally but I leverage my Python skills frequently to automate boring stuff that gets in the way of my productivity. so, it is more about possessing the technical knowledge if it is something you can acquire and less about predicting how and whether you will ever use it on the job. Learning how to script is learning how to solve problems. You will need to be thinking in this manner on the job, regardless of what the job is. rod, Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
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From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:33 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Yes, Robin, I think that is a very good point. I think I have only heard about JAWS scripts being used in jobs like customer service at banks, and call centers, but I do think it would be good to know in what kinds of situations they might be useful. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions I think you are asking good questions, Mike. I do not have the bandwidth to learn scripting, but I would appreciate a webinar or something that explains the questions you ask. I honestly don't know what issues I face at work could be solved by scripting and it hasn't been on my radar to ask this question. Knowing enough to be able to discern if scripting would solve an issue would be a smart thing to know. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 1:39 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. Hello all, As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn. What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea? Thank you, Mike KeyCorp Public This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association ("KeyBank N.A."). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Justin Williams
That person is one in a million who could and would do that.
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The company wasn't following WACG accessibility guidelines, because a regular CSR employee shouldn't have to do that. Most don't have that knowledge, and sighted employees don't do that. That is great that this individual can do that, but that is way out of the norm, and an unnecessary to work as a customer service rep.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Walker Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 4:34 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Hello all, Thanks again for the variety of responses. To answer some of the questions: I got my bachelors degree in information systems. I worked as a programmer analyst for six years. It’s really helpful to hear from those of you who still found job success without knowing scripting. I would still be willing to learn some basic scripting, as it became helpful, but it’s definitely not something I know much about. I realize it takes a lot of time, to become an expert. What made me think of this question was a podcast that I listened to through the American Council of the Blind. Someone was talking about their success as a customer service person. They said that they had to learn to script their screen reader, which they did in the evening, so they could have success on the job. I found that a little overwhelming, because I thought oh no, I don’t know anything about scripting. I didn’t use scripting in my previous job as a programmer. I used the command line and visual studio a lot. I also used a Clips. To the person who said they would use indeed and LinkedIn for the job search, I am on those sites. You can also look for remote work opportunities on those sites, by putting the keyword remote in the search on indeed for example. Pam, what technologies did you work with as a programmer analyst? Thank you, Mike On Oct 8, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com> wrote:
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Re: Jaws2021 firefox bookmark for laptop
O.Addison Gethers
Well I’m not getting answer from anyone in here Addison
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Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:12 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Jaws2021 firefox bookmark for laptop
Hi All I have laptop computer Windows10 and jaws2021 ,firefox version 91.03 !! When I opened firefox when the homepage open then I press alt + b for bookmark then I press any lfirst letter of any website I want to read for example when I press first letter f for facebook it won’t do anything I think the letter b for bookmark isn’t activate for bookmark menu so I can press the first letter for it say facebook to presenter What do I need to do to fix this problem? Addison
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Well, my programmer/analyst days were many years ago, so the technology has changed a good bit since then. Since 1990, I have been a database administrator. I mostly have used the command line on unix and linux. In my old days of programmer/analyst work, that was mostly on mainframes. You can tell what a dinosaur I am!
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In my DBA work, I mainly use the command line, and Oracle Enterprise Manager, which is surprisingly accessible. I have not had success with getting SQL Developer to talk to me, so I have stuck to the command line. I have been away from programming for a long time now, so I don't know anything about the accessibility of developer tools these days. I have really found DBA work to be a good fit for me. Even though there are graphical tools for this work, most everything can also be done from a command line.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 4:34 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Hello all, Thanks again for the variety of responses. To answer some of the questions: I got my bachelors degree in information systems. I worked as a programmer analyst for six years. It’s really helpful to hear from those of you who still found job success without knowing scripting. I would still be willing to learn some basic scripting, as it became helpful, but it’s definitely not something I know much about. I realize it takes a lot of time, to become an expert. What made me think of this question was a podcast that I listened to through the American Council of the Blind. Someone was talking about their success as a customer service person. They said that they had to learn to script their screen reader, which they did in the evening, so they could have success on the job. I found that a little overwhelming, because I thought oh no, I don’t know anything about scripting. I didn’t use scripting in my previous job as a programmer. I used the command line and visual studio a lot. I also used a Clips. To the person who said they would use indeed and LinkedIn for the job search, I am on those sites. You can also look for remote work opportunities on those sites, by putting the keyword remote in the search on indeed for example. Pam, what technologies did you work with as a programmer analyst? Thank you, Mike On Oct 8, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com> wrote:
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Michael Walker
Hello all,
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Thanks again for the variety of responses. To answer some of the questions: I got my bachelors degree in information systems. I worked as a programmer analyst for six years. It’s really helpful to hear from those of you who still found job success without knowing scripting. I would still be willing to learn some basic scripting, as it became helpful, but it’s definitely not something I know much about. I realize it takes a lot of time, to become an expert. What made me think of this question was a podcast that I listened to through the American Council of the Blind. Someone was talking about their success as a customer service person. They said that they had to learn to script their screen reader, which they did in the evening, so they could have success on the job. I found that a little overwhelming, because I thought oh no, I don’t know anything about scripting. I didn’t use scripting in my previous job as a programmer. I used the command line and visual studio a lot. I also used a Clips. To the person who said they would use indeed and LinkedIn for the job search, I am on those sites. You can also look for remote work opportunities on those sites, by putting the keyword remote in the search on indeed for example. Pam, what technologies did you work with as a programmer analyst? Thank you, Mike
On Oct 8, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com> wrote:
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Re: outlook 2019 with jaws 2019 and activating mail rules
Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nchan@...>
What are you trying to accomplish You want to move rules? move mails to a certain folder? or move certain groups' emails into a folder? Generally, most people use the subject line to move emails into a folder but I don't. i use email header as this method is more accurate than the subject line. As a subject line like in some cases, someone can forward email to you with certain subject keywords, then it will be accidentally moved into those folders. that will work very well in email groups. For individuals, you generally tag them by using their email address. you just need to learn how to use some of the capability of Outlook itself. you can create a quick access menu in outlook which i personally have. For example, I have the following items in my quick access. 1. empty trash folder 2. forward email as attachment 3.message option 4. define send and receive group 5. mail rules so if i want to see the email header of that particular email, you just select that email and i just hit alt - 3. You can customize quick access by going to alt key once and move left or right and find file and then tab till you find this call customize toolbar, enter and find more commands you add message option. i wish i know where to find it i meant message option so to allow to see the email header you can search the function of outlook as well from the toolbar maybe some other knowledgeable member can chime in Regards, Thomas N. Chan
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Phillip Gross
I should have added that that was the only company I’ve worked for who purchased JFW. Before that, I worked for extremely small companies and used my own copy of JAWS if not my own computer. I am looking for a job currently.
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Phillip Gross
Hi, Mike. I don’t know how to script. I’ve considered learning it, but I’ve never gotten around to it.
I’ve only had accessibility issues on the job where scripting was considered one time. At that time the company was perfectly willing to pay for it. If you think about it, they already purchased JAWS. They had made an investment in me, so they wanted to make it pay off. Unfortunately, after speaking to, at the time Freedom Scientific, they discovered that scripting wouldn’t help. There was no way to make this proprietary software accessible. As far as job sites, I would start with LinkedIn and Indeed if I were you. If you want remote jobs, look at Flex Jobs. There is a small monthly charge to use, but, in my opinion, it’s worth it.
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
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I haven't looked for a job in several years; however, like you, I will be entering the game seeking employment after I complete my course work at Capella University. Through the university's disability services, where there is a joint venture with the federal government to match industry recruiters with students with disabilities; of which can make it a little bit easier to find employment. But to your question of learning JAWS scripting; of which, I think is a job, does not really apply. You know what your skillsets are and if the organization needs your skills, they will hire you. Additionally, the fact that you showed up for the interview brings awareness of people who are qualified for a job; of which, they could be lacking accommodative measures; thereby, making your presence reason for change. And if you are hired, you'll be amazed the lengths the employer and your co-workers will do to make your job more accommodative. In a sense, you become a "poster boy." Of which, add to their marketing strategy. Furthermore, by asking if JAWS scripting is necessary for employment, is only diminishing the value of your current skillset. Like I said, if you're good, and they need what you bring to the table, they will hire you. Henry
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 3:39 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions Hello all, As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn. What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea? Thank you, Mike
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
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It involved a lot of one-on-one work with end users, which I really enjoyed. I always brought a laptop with me to meetings to take notes. The main issue I had with that job was their use of diagrams, which obviously presented a problem for me. Generally, though, I could get the same description of what was being shown in the picture for visually oriented people, so it didn't end up being a major issue.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 12:54 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Hi Pam, What was your job like as a Systems Analyst? To the rest of you who have responded, thank you. I’ll probably continue by checking websites like indeed.com for my skills. Mike On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com> wrote:
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Yes, Robin, I think that is a very good point. I think I have only heard about JAWS scripts being used in jobs like customer service at banks, and call centers, but I do think it would be good to know in what kinds of situations they might be useful.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 2:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions I think you are asking good questions, Mike. I do not have the bandwidth to learn scripting, but I would appreciate a webinar or something that explains the questions you ask. I honestly don't know what issues I face at work could be solved by scripting and it hasn't been on my radar to ask this question. Knowing enough to be able to discern if scripting would solve an issue would be a smart thing to know. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 1:39 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. Hello all, As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn. What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea? Thank you, Mike KeyCorp Public This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association ("KeyBank N.A."). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
Van Lant, Robin
I think you are asking good questions, Mike. I do not have the bandwidth to learn scripting, but I would appreciate a webinar or something that explains the questions you ask. I honestly don't know what issues I face at work could be solved by scripting and it hasn't been on my radar to ask this question. Knowing enough to be able to discern if scripting would solve an issue would be a smart thing to know.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 1:39 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. Hello all, As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn. What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea? Thank you, Mike KeyCorp Public This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions
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Mike, maybe share a bit more about your preferences for a job, have you gone to college or University for any training? I think most jobs nowadays whether its for the government or the private sector will look at your academic credentials so unless you have already completed your post secondary education, deciding what you want to do and going to College or University would be the first step.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND Sent: October 8, 2021 8:33 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Hi Mike, I have not done any JAWS scripting and have been working in the IT field as a programmer, systems analyst and now DBA for more years than I care to count. I'm not sure which websites are the best place to hunt for jobs these days as I haven't looked for about 15 years. I have found most things that I have needed to use for my jobs over the years have been fairly accessible, but I'm sure it depends on the kind of job you are wanting. In situations where something has not been accessible, there is usually an alternative way of accomplishing the same thing. Good luck to you. I know the job hunting process can be frustrating, but in my opinion, I would not concentrate on heavily learning JAWS scripting without first knowing what you might need it for. Pam -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 11:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Hi Lori, I probably plan to stay in IT. What kind of work did you do for Social Security? How did you find that job? Now days, what websites would you research for job postings? What kind of IT work is most commonly performed by the blind community, that would present the least amount of accessibility issues? Thank you, Mike On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Lori Lynn <grandma.lori@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
I have been a Jaws user since the days of Microsoft DOS in 1989 and after getting a business degree from the University of Calgary opened a retail business which I have now had for over 20 years.
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I am not able to write scripts, sometimes I thought it might be handy to know how to do this, but just as with many things there is a difference between knowing how to write some scripts and being really good at it. People like Brian Hartgen in the UK, Doug Lee in the US and many others who are experts in writing scripts are doing this basically as part of what they do, they are not lawyers or even IT specialists of some sort who know how to write scripts or anything like that. You can do a lot with scripts, but you can't do everything with scripts so in my opinion if you plan to work in a particular field then be the best at what it is you choose to do and don't worry too much about being able to write Jaws scripts. We have a saying in Germany, it is something like "You can't dance at two weedings at the same time" meaning focus on what you do and be good at it. If currently you are not studying or working and you have the time to learn scripting them by all means go for it, it certainly won't hurt, but don't sweat it if you don't know how to write scripts, that is why there are people who are real experts and can do it for you.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker Sent: October 8, 2021 12:39 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Jaws scripting and job success questions Hello all, As I conduct my job search, how important is learning jaws scripting? I know very little about it. Can knowing it fix absolutely everything that is inaccessible? Without knowing what job I will be accepted for, I feel lost at where to start on learning jaws scripting, to get skilled at what needs to be made accessible. I just know that scripting is quite a time consuming process to learn. What technology careers do most blind people commonly pursue? What has jaws scripting been able to make accessible? Where has it not been helpful? Is Jaws scripting essential, to have any successful career as a blind person? Have any of you been successful in your jobs, without being expert scripters? I feel a little concerned about all of this, because I wonder if I would have been able to have been 100% independent on my previous job, had I known scripting. Is it a panacea? Thank you, Mike
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Michael Walker
Hi Pam,
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What was your job like as a Systems Analyst? To the rest of you who have responded, thank you. I’ll probably continue by checking websites like indeed.com for my skills. Mike
On Oct 8, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com> wrote:
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Maria Campbell
I had a job scripter come to my job when new equipment was instituted. As for me, I tried a scripting course and didn't get out of the first session.
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Maria Campbell lucky1inct@gmail.com All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. --Edmund Burke
On 10/8/2021 11:40 AM, Lori Lynn wrote:
I worked in customer service and then HR. I'm not an IT person at all. You need to start by looking at what your skills are first before you start looking for a job. Your education, training, prior work experience, etc. Good luck.
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Lori Lynn
I worked in customer service and then HR. I'm not an IT person at all. You need to start by looking at what your skills are first before you start looking for a job. Your education, training, prior work experience, etc. Good luck.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 10:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Hi Lori, I probably plan to stay in IT. What kind of work did you do for Social Security? How did you find that job? Now days, what websites would you research for job postings? What kind of IT work is most commonly performed by the blind community, that would present the least amount of accessibility issues? Thank you, Mike On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Lori Lynn <grandma.lori@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Hi Mike,
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I have not done any JAWS scripting and have been working in the IT field as a programmer, systems analyst and now DBA for more years than I care to count. I'm not sure which websites are the best place to hunt for jobs these days as I haven't looked for about 15 years. I have found most things that I have needed to use for my jobs over the years have been fairly accessible, but I'm sure it depends on the kind of job you are wanting. In situations where something has not been accessible, there is usually an alternative way of accomplishing the same thing. Good luck to you. I know the job hunting process can be frustrating, but in my opinion, I would not concentrate on heavily learning JAWS scripting without first knowing what you might need it for. Pam
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker via groups.io Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 11:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws scripting and job success questions Hi Lori, I probably plan to stay in IT. What kind of work did you do for Social Security? How did you find that job? Now days, what websites would you research for job postings? What kind of IT work is most commonly performed by the blind community, that would present the least amount of accessibility issues? Thank you, Mike On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Lori Lynn <grandma.lori@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Michael Walker
Hi Lori,
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I probably plan to stay in IT. What kind of work did you do for Social Security? How did you find that job? Now days, what websites would you research for job postings? What kind of IT work is most commonly performed by the blind community, that would present the least amount of accessibility issues? Thank you, Mike
On Oct 8, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Lori Lynn <grandma.lori@hotmail.com> wrote:
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