Hi List,

I have a quick question on Adobe.

I am able to open PDF, but I cannot seem to save them as text files, so I can edit them.

There is a Save As button on the file menu. But it only seems to save the files as PDF.

Anyone know how to change this.

Thanks,

Jeff

Hi List,

I have a quick question on Adobe.

I am able to open PDF, but I cannot seem to save them as text files, so I can edit them.

There is a Save As button on the file menu. But it only seems to save the files as PDF.

Anyone know how to change this.

Thanks,

Jeff

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I will do some testing by sending things from my iPhone to myself.

I’ve only experienced this with photos that Apple seems to mostly imbed now….

Last night’s example was a .zip folder containing 3 PDF files with text and some report forms.

I’ve noticed this also with Word documents that are sent and attached in e-mails sent via IPhones.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

That is very interesting.

Are these photos or some other file type?

I’ve not noticed that.  If it is at all reproduceable, I’d submit feedback to FS support.

I’ve actually noticed the reverse situation too at times.

It seems that whenever someone sends me an e-mail with an attachment, using an IPhone, Jaws does not announce the existence of an attachment, even though an attachment is cleary there and can be accessed via shift tab.

I’m using Windows 10, Microsoft 365, and the latest build of Jaws 2021 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

Hello:

I will do some testing by sending things from my iPhone to myself.

I’ve only experienced this with photos that Apple seems to mostly imbed now….

Last night’s example was a .zip folder containing 3 PDF files with text and some report forms.

I’ve noticed this also with Word documents that are sent and attached in e-mails sent via IPhones.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

That is very interesting.

Are these photos or some other file type?

I’ve not noticed that.  If it is at all reproduceable, I’d submit feedback to FS support.

I’ve actually noticed the reverse situation too at times.

It seems that whenever someone sends me an e-mail with an attachment, using an IPhone, Jaws does not announce the existence of an attachment, even though an attachment is cleary there and can be accessed via shift tab.

I’m using Windows 10, Microsoft 365, and the latest build of Jaws 2021 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

Hello:

Last night’s example was a .zip folder containing 3 PDF files with text and some report forms.

I’ve noticed this also with Word documents that are sent and attached in e-mails sent via IPhones.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

That is very interesting.

Are these photos or some other file type?

I’ve not noticed that.  If it is at all reproduceable, I’d submit feedback to FS support.

I’ve actually noticed the reverse situation too at times.

It seems that whenever someone sends me an e-mail with an attachment, using an IPhone, Jaws does not announce the existence of an attachment, even though an attachment is cleary there and can be accessed via shift tab.

I’m using Windows 10, Microsoft 365, and the latest build of Jaws 2021 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

Hello:

I am not at all trying to be contrary, you were the one who implied that if I needed that much sighted assistance something was wrong where my post simply stated that if you were in an environment where you worked with sighted people turning the monitor off and on many times a day was inconvenient.
I know I am in a unique situation with my retail business, but I know a lot of blind people both here and back in Germany where I grew up who are lawyers, judges, IT professionals or who work for the government and are in settings where they interact with sighted colleagues or clients all the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Well when I need a coworker to come in and collaborate, I can either lift the lid of the laptop in the docking station, or power on the monitor.
I think that is rare that a monitor of a Blind person needs to be on.
I think you want to be contrary here, and perhaps you are in a rare situation.
I think that in a call center too, the supervisors would not like anyone's monitor being off, as they walk around to check on what the workers are doing.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Have you ever heard about blind and sighted people working together?
There is a difference between "assistance" and "collaboration". In my
case there is also the fact that I may have 3 customers coming into my
office inside half an hour and in some cases I may want them to see
the screen because maybe I want to show them a product and in some
cases I may not want them to see the screen if I have to look up the
cost of a product because they are asking me for a deal and I have to
check if I can give them one or not. I don't know what you do for
work, but it seems you are mostly doing it alone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 8:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple
has for Voice over

LOL
If you have to have sighted assistance that often, there is a problem.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple
has for Voice over

Because if you work in an environment with sighted people who may
want to look at your monitor turning it off and on many times a day
is inconvenient whereas for Jaws users the screen shade key sequence
is easy, quick and effective. And there is the fact that continuously
turning electronic devices on and off can sometimes do more harm than
it does good.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like
Apple has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed,
and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple
has for Voice over

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...

Have you ever heard about blind and sighted people working together?
There is a difference between "assistance" and "collaboration". In my
case there is also the fact that I may have 3 customers coming into my
office inside half an hour and in some cases I may want them to see
the screen because maybe I want to show them a product and in some
cases I may not want them to see the screen if I have to look up the
cost of a product because they are asking me for a deal and I have to
check if I can give them one or not. I don't know what you do for
work, but it seems you are mostly doing it alone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 8:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple
has for Voice over

LOL
If you have to have sighted assistance that often, there is a problem.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple
has for Voice over

Because if you work in an environment with sighted people who may
want to look at your monitor turning it off and on many times a day
is inconvenient whereas for Jaws users the screen shade key sequence
is easy, quick and effective. And there is the fact that continuously
turning electronic devices on and off can sometimes do more harm than
it does good.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like
Apple has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed,
and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple
has for Voice over

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...

That is very interesting.

Are these photos or some other file type?

I’ve not noticed that.  If it is at all reproduceable, I’d submit feedback to FS support.

I’ve actually noticed the reverse situation too at times.

It seems that whenever someone sends me an e-mail with an attachment, using an IPhone, Jaws does not announce the existence of an attachment, even though an attachment is cleary there and can be accessed via shift tab.

I’m using Windows 10, Microsoft 365, and the latest build of Jaws 2021 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

Hello:

Have you ever heard about blind and sighted people working together? There is a difference between "assistance" and "collaboration". In my case there is also the fact that I may have 3 customers coming into my office inside half an hour and in some cases I may want them to see the screen because maybe I want to show them a product and in some cases I may not want them to see the screen if I have to look up the cost of a product because they are asking me for a deal and I have to check if I can give them one or not. I don't know what you do for work, but it seems you are mostly doing it alone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 8:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

LOL
If you have to have sighted assistance that often, there is a problem.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Because if you work in an environment with sighted people who may want
to look at your monitor turning it off and on many times a day is
inconvenient whereas for Jaws users the screen shade key sequence is
easy, quick and effective. And there is the fact that continuously
turning electronic devices on and off can sometimes do more harm than
it does good.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple
has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed,
and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has
for Voice over

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...

Because if you work in an environment with sighted people who may want
to look at your monitor turning it off and on many times a day is
inconvenient whereas for Jaws users the screen shade key sequence is
easy, quick and effective. And there is the fact that continuously
turning electronic devices on and off can sometimes do more harm than
it does good.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple
has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed,
and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has
for Voice over

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...

I’ve actually noticed the reverse situation too at times.

It seems that whenever someone sends me an e-mail with an attachment, using an IPhone, Jaws does not announce the existence of an attachment, even though an attachment is cleary there and can be accessed via shift tab.

I’m using Windows 10, Microsoft 365, and the latest build of Jaws 2021 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

Hello:

Hello:

Because if you work in an environment with sighted people who may want to look at your monitor turning it off and on many times a day is inconvenient whereas for Jaws users the screen shade key sequence is easy, quick and effective. And there is the fact that continuously turning electronic devices on and off can sometimes do more harm than it does good.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed, and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...

On Oct 7, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...> wrote:

 Hello:

It is often the case that JAWS will indicate that an email has an attachment but in fact there is no attachment that we can open. This seems to happen with messages which appear as web pages more than email. It’s just one of those things in the modern age.☺️

Kind regards,

Curtis Chong

On Oct 7, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Cynthia Bruce <cynthia.bruce@...> wrote:



Hi All,

 

I think I started this thread, and I wasn’t using preview, so there was a glitch at some point that I encounter every once in a while. When it happens, shift tab and JAWS key plus A don’t work. I do know that it happens consistently if people embed the attachment in the email message itself.

 

Cynthia

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: October 7, 2021 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi, Zel. Apparently, what they are doing is looking at the message in Message Preview, without actually opening the message. JAWS key plus A won't work in this case. I actually go into Outlook Options, under the General Category, and turn off Live Preview. This makes it necessary to press ENTER to see a message, and once a message is open, you can use either JAWS key plus A to get to attachments, or you can use SHIFT plus TAB to get to the attachments list.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Have you tried pressing the Jaws key with ‘a’

 

 

Zel Iscel

Inclusive World

Principle Consultant

 

Mobile: +61 0413813885

Email: zel@...

On 7 Oct 2021, at 6:03 pm, Lee Anne Atkinson <lee.atkinson@...> wrote:



The only way I have found to get to my attachments in Outlook is to hit enter when I am in the message list.  This opens the email in full, not just a preview.  At this point I Shift-tab once and the focus moves from the message body to the attachment list. 

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

I’ve had this issue too so will be glad of any suggestions. The only way I can get my attachments at present is by going to the file menue.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: 05 October 2021 15:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi All,

 

I am not entirely sure if this is a JAWS issue, but in the last couple of days, I can’t seem to navigate to attachments in Outlook. I know they are there because JAWS tells me there are attachments when I am scrolling through my messages. However, when I back space or use insert A to get to the attachments, JAWS tells me there are no attachments.

 

I am using JAWS 2021, the latest version I believe, and the most current version of Outlook.

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Cynthia

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...

Hi, Zel. Apparently, what they are doing is looking at the message in Message Preview, without actually opening the message. JAWS key plus A won't work in this case. I actually go into Outlook Options, under the General Category, and turn off Live Preview. This makes it necessary to press ENTER to see a message, and once a message is open, you can use either JAWS key plus A to get to attachments, or you can use SHIFT plus TAB to get to the attachments list.

Have you tried pressing the Jaws key with ‘a’