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moderated Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

Tom Behler
 

I’ve actually noticed the reverse situation too at times.

 

It seems that whenever someone sends me an e-mail with an attachment, using an IPhone, Jaws does not announce the existence of an attachment, even though an attachment is cleary there and can be accessed via shift tab.

 

I’m using Windows 10, Microsoft 365, and the latest build of Jaws 2021 here.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hello:

 

It is often the case that JAWS will indicate that an email has an attachment but in fact there is no attachment that we can open. This seems to happen with messages which appear as web pages more than email. It’s just one of those things in the modern age.☺️

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Curtis Chong

 


On Oct 7, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Cynthia Bruce <cynthia.bruce@...> wrote:



Hi All,

 

I think I started this thread, and I wasn’t using preview, so there was a glitch at some point that I encounter every once in a while. When it happens, shift tab and JAWS key plus A don’t work. I do know that it happens consistently if people embed the attachment in the email message itself.

 

Cynthia

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: October 7, 2021 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi, Zel. Apparently, what they are doing is looking at the message in Message Preview, without actually opening the message. JAWS key plus A won't work in this case. I actually go into Outlook Options, under the General Category, and turn off Live Preview. This makes it necessary to press ENTER to see a message, and once a message is open, you can use either JAWS key plus A to get to attachments, or you can use SHIFT plus TAB to get to the attachments list.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Have you tried pressing the Jaws key with ‘a’

 

 

Zel Iscel

Inclusive World

Principle Consultant

 

Mobile: +61 0413813885

Email: zel@...




On 7 Oct 2021, at 6:03 pm, Lee Anne Atkinson <lee.atkinson@...> wrote:



The only way I have found to get to my attachments in Outlook is to hit enter when I am in the message list.  This opens the email in full, not just a preview.  At this point I Shift-tab once and the focus moves from the message body to the attachment list. 

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

I’ve had this issue too so will be glad of any suggestions. The only way I can get my attachments at present is by going to the file menue.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: 05 October 2021 15:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi All,

 

I am not entirely sure if this is a JAWS issue, but in the last couple of days, I can’t seem to navigate to attachments in Outlook. I know they are there because JAWS tells me there are attachments when I am scrolling through my messages. However, when I back space or use insert A to get to the attachments, JAWS tells me there are no attachments.

 

I am using JAWS 2021, the latest version I believe, and the most current version of Outlook.

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Glenn / Lenny
 

LOL
If you have to have sighted assistance that often, there is a problem.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


Because if you work in an environment with sighted people who may want to look at your monitor turning it off and on many times a day is inconvenient whereas for Jaws users the screen shade key sequence is easy, quick and effective. And there is the fact that continuously turning electronic devices on and off can sometimes do more harm than it does good.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed, and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...














moderated Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I've noticed it with emails that have a signature that includes an image.
Annoying, because it confuses things.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner 
  




website:  www.turner42.com

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

On Oct 7, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...> wrote:

 Hello:

It is often the case that JAWS will indicate that an email has an attachment but in fact there is no attachment that we can open. This seems to happen with messages which appear as web pages more than email. It’s just one of those things in the modern age.☺️



Kind regards,

Curtis Chong


On Oct 7, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Cynthia Bruce <cynthia.bruce@...> wrote:



Hi All,

 

I think I started this thread, and I wasn’t using preview, so there was a glitch at some point that I encounter every once in a while. When it happens, shift tab and JAWS key plus A don’t work. I do know that it happens consistently if people embed the attachment in the email message itself.

 

Cynthia

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: October 7, 2021 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi, Zel. Apparently, what they are doing is looking at the message in Message Preview, without actually opening the message. JAWS key plus A won't work in this case. I actually go into Outlook Options, under the General Category, and turn off Live Preview. This makes it necessary to press ENTER to see a message, and once a message is open, you can use either JAWS key plus A to get to attachments, or you can use SHIFT plus TAB to get to the attachments list.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Have you tried pressing the Jaws key with ‘a’

 

 

Zel Iscel

Inclusive World

Principle Consultant

 

Mobile: +61 0413813885

Email: zel@...



On 7 Oct 2021, at 6:03 pm, Lee Anne Atkinson <lee.atkinson@...> wrote:



The only way I have found to get to my attachments in Outlook is to hit enter when I am in the message list.  This opens the email in full, not just a preview.  At this point I Shift-tab once and the focus moves from the message body to the attachment list. 

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

I’ve had this issue too so will be glad of any suggestions. The only way I can get my attachments at present is by going to the file menue.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: 05 October 2021 15:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi All,

 

I am not entirely sure if this is a JAWS issue, but in the last couple of days, I can’t seem to navigate to attachments in Outlook. I know they are there because JAWS tells me there are attachments when I am scrolling through my messages. However, when I back space or use insert A to get to the attachments, JAWS tells me there are no attachments.

 

I am using JAWS 2021, the latest version I believe, and the most current version of Outlook.

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Because if you work in an environment with sighted people who may want to look at your monitor turning it off and on many times a day is inconvenient whereas for Jaws users the screen shade key sequence is easy, quick and effective. And there is the fact that continuously turning electronic devices on and off can sometimes do more harm than it does good.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed, and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...





moderated Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

Curtis Chong
 

Hello:

It is often the case that JAWS will indicate that an email has an attachment but in fact there is no attachment that we can open. This seems to happen with messages which appear as web pages more than email. It’s just one of those things in the modern age.☺️



Kind regards,

Curtis Chong


On Oct 7, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Cynthia Bruce <cynthia.bruce@...> wrote:



Hi All,

 

I think I started this thread, and I wasn’t using preview, so there was a glitch at some point that I encounter every once in a while. When it happens, shift tab and JAWS key plus A don’t work. I do know that it happens consistently if people embed the attachment in the email message itself.

 

Cynthia

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: October 7, 2021 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi, Zel. Apparently, what they are doing is looking at the message in Message Preview, without actually opening the message. JAWS key plus A won't work in this case. I actually go into Outlook Options, under the General Category, and turn off Live Preview. This makes it necessary to press ENTER to see a message, and once a message is open, you can use either JAWS key plus A to get to attachments, or you can use SHIFT plus TAB to get to the attachments list.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Have you tried pressing the Jaws key with ‘a’

 

 

Zel Iscel

Inclusive World

Principle Consultant

 

Mobile: +61 0413813885

Email: zel@...



On 7 Oct 2021, at 6:03 pm, Lee Anne Atkinson <lee.atkinson@...> wrote:



The only way I have found to get to my attachments in Outlook is to hit enter when I am in the message list.  This opens the email in full, not just a preview.  At this point I Shift-tab once and the focus moves from the message body to the attachment list. 

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

I’ve had this issue too so will be glad of any suggestions. The only way I can get my attachments at present is by going to the file menue.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: 05 October 2021 15:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi All,

 

I am not entirely sure if this is a JAWS issue, but in the last couple of days, I can’t seem to navigate to attachments in Outlook. I know they are there because JAWS tells me there are attachments when I am scrolling through my messages. However, when I back space or use insert A to get to the attachments, JAWS tells me there are no attachments.

 

I am using JAWS 2021, the latest version I believe, and the most current version of Outlook.

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

Cynthia Bruce
 

Hi All,

 

I think I started this thread, and I wasn’t using preview, so there was a glitch at some point that I encounter every once in a while. When it happens, shift tab and JAWS key plus A don’t work. I do know that it happens consistently if people embed the attachment in the email message itself.

 

Cynthia

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: October 7, 2021 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi, Zel. Apparently, what they are doing is looking at the message in Message Preview, without actually opening the message. JAWS key plus A won't work in this case. I actually go into Outlook Options, under the General Category, and turn off Live Preview. This makes it necessary to press ENTER to see a message, and once a message is open, you can use either JAWS key plus A to get to attachments, or you can use SHIFT plus TAB to get to the attachments list.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Have you tried pressing the Jaws key with ‘a’

 

 

Zel Iscel

Inclusive World

Principle Consultant

 

Mobile: +61 0413813885

Email: zel@...



On 7 Oct 2021, at 6:03 pm, Lee Anne Atkinson <lee.atkinson@...> wrote:



The only way I have found to get to my attachments in Outlook is to hit enter when I am in the message list.  This opens the email in full, not just a preview.  At this point I Shift-tab once and the focus moves from the message body to the attachment list. 

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

I’ve had this issue too so will be glad of any suggestions. The only way I can get my attachments at present is by going to the file menue.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: 05 October 2021 15:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi All,

 

I am not entirely sure if this is a JAWS issue, but in the last couple of days, I can’t seem to navigate to attachments in Outlook. I know they are there because JAWS tells me there are attachments when I am scrolling through my messages. However, when I back space or use insert A to get to the attachments, JAWS tells me there are no attachments.

 

I am using JAWS 2021, the latest version I believe, and the most current version of Outlook.

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Bill White
 

Hi, Steve. All that is necessary is that the screen curtain be turned on, each time the operating system loads. Once done, the curtain could stay up, until unloading of Windows. This would give the user a screen curtain, and also prevent lack of video at load of OS.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

No, and I'm glad of it too.

The trouble with screen curtains is if your device crashes and the screen doesn't come on, you can't get sighted help.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: 07 October 2021 12:08
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Don Mauck
 

Well, I use insert plus the sprint screen which is the jaws of keystroke for shading. My leave my laptop lid closed all the time, don’t have any overheating problems unless the process is getting overworked by some application.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 8:31:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: [External] : Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over
 
Well I have had laptops shut and running for many years, and they have never
over heated from that.
If there is a problem with the system that is making it work hard, way
harder than it should, I suppose the lid being closed may contribute, but
I'd suspect a bigger contribution would be dust combined with malware.
I have an Acer that a friend gave me because he could never get it working
without over heating, and I think he frequented porn sights, which will give
your computer malware.
Every time he reinstalled windows, he did not have that problem, so he got
tired of that, and gave it to me.
I have never had a problem with it over heating.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has
for Voice over


It was about 18 months ago.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.turner42.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!emQo-bZTexOm-MKMqf5fefWLCTIhsrM1AQIGM_jNxNyg_eecKpDL4ISjaviUBxw$


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has
for Voice over

That must have been a long time ago, when the laptop lids locked shut.
They don't lock down now, and air can get in when the lids are closed.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has
for Voice over


I would never leave a laptop lid closed.  At my last place of employment
(last as in now retired,)  a guy did that because he had a large external
monitor and a very small office so used it as extra desk space ... that is
until it over heated and wouldn't turn on and was making lots of noise
because the fan was working massive overtime.

Just use the screen curtain it is easy and effective.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it." - Jane Wagner

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has
for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed, and set
the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for
Voice over


> Hi all,
> Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
> people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
> Thanks
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Turab Chimthanawala
> (ACS, LLM)
> +91-8087813609
> turabhvc@...
>
>
>
>
>



























moderated Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

Bill White
 

Hi, Zel. Apparently, what they are doing is looking at the message in Message Preview, without actually opening the message. JAWS key plus A won't work in this case. I actually go into Outlook Options, under the General Category, and turn off Live Preview. This makes it necessary to press ENTER to see a message, and once a message is open, you can use either JAWS key plus A to get to attachments, or you can use SHIFT plus TAB to get to the attachments list.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Have you tried pressing the Jaws key with ‘a’

 

 

Zel Iscel

Inclusive World

Principle Consultant

 

Mobile: +61 0413813885

Email: zel@...



On 7 Oct 2021, at 6:03 pm, Lee Anne Atkinson <lee.atkinson@...> wrote:



The only way I have found to get to my attachments in Outlook is to hit enter when I am in the message list.  This opens the email in full, not just a preview.  At this point I Shift-tab once and the focus moves from the message body to the attachment list. 

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

I’ve had this issue too so will be glad of any suggestions. The only way I can get my attachments at present is by going to the file menue.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: 05 October 2021 15:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Navigating to attachments in Outlook

 

Hi All,

 

I am not entirely sure if this is a JAWS issue, but in the last couple of days, I can’t seem to navigate to attachments in Outlook. I know they are there because JAWS tells me there are attachments when I am scrolling through my messages. However, when I back space or use insert A to get to the attachments, JAWS tells me there are no attachments.

 

I am using JAWS 2021, the latest version I believe, and the most current version of Outlook.

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: more general mailing list for windows issues

Glenn / Lenny
 


A good low-traffic list for tech questions is the Blind-T list.
T is for Tech-related.
Send a message to:
blind-t+subscribe@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: more general mailing list for windows issues

Winaccess for screen reader users group

https://winaccess.groups.io/g/winaccess

 

 

 

 

From: James English
Sent: 07 October 2021 09:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: more general mailing list for windows issues

 

Hi,

 

I have a question but aside from the fact I'm using jaws it has

absolutely nothing to do with it. Does anyone know of a more general

blind mailing list for windows, similar to VI-phone for IOS?

 

All the best,

- James

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Glenn / Lenny
 

Well I have had laptops shut and running for many years, and they have never over heated from that.
If there is a problem with the system that is making it work hard, way harder than it should, I suppose the lid being closed may contribute, but I'd suspect a bigger contribution would be dust combined with malware.
I have an Acer that a friend gave me because he could never get it working without over heating, and I think he frequented porn sights, which will give your computer malware.
Every time he reinstalled windows, he did not have that problem, so he got tired of that, and gave it to me.
I have never had a problem with it over heating.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


It was about 18 months ago.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

That must have been a long time ago, when the laptop lids locked shut.
They don't lock down now, and air can get in when the lids are closed.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


I would never leave a laptop lid closed. At my last place of employment (last as in now retired,) a guy did that because he had a large external monitor and a very small office so used it as extra desk space ... that is until it over heated and wouldn't turn on and was making lots of noise because the fan was working massive overtime.

Just use the screen curtain it is easy and effective.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed, and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

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Turab Chimthanawala
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+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...





moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

It was about 18 months ago.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

That must have been a long time ago, when the laptop lids locked shut.
They don't lock down now, and air can get in when the lids are closed.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


I would never leave a laptop lid closed. At my last place of employment (last as in now retired,) a guy did that because he had a large external monitor and a very small office so used it as extra desk space ... that is until it over heated and wouldn't turn on and was making lots of noise because the fan was working massive overtime.

Just use the screen curtain it is easy and effective.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C21da4c31ed674a35801208d9899dd200%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637692133194965946%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=MqGUMvIM8SPO26qePxAVdJJQkFUxqXHUpxE%2B4xA58Jg%3D&amp;reserved=0


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed, and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...





moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Glenn / Lenny
 

That must have been a long time ago, when the laptop lids locked shut.
They don't lock down now, and air can get in when the lids are closed.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


I would never leave a laptop lid closed. At my last place of employment (last as in now retired,) a guy did that because he had a large external monitor and a very small office so used it as extra desk space ... that is until it over heated and wouldn't turn on and was making lots of noise because the fan was working massive overtime.

Just use the screen curtain it is easy and effective.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed, and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...





moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I would never leave a laptop lid closed. At my last place of employment (last as in now retired,) a guy did that because he had a large external monitor and a very small office so used it as extra desk space ... that is until it over heated and wouldn't turn on and was making lots of noise because the fan was working massive overtime.

Just use the screen curtain it is easy and effective.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed, and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...





moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Glenn / Lenny
 

Why not just turn off the monitor completely?
Or if it is a laptop with a separate keyboard, keep the lid closed, and set the power options to do nothing when the lid is closed.
It saves energy too.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "turab chimthanawala" <turabhvc@...>
To: "jfw" <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 6:08 AM
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over


Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...




moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

For the purpose of entering sensitive data, the screen curtain is ideal since you can toggle it on and off very quickly.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 4:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

There is not one in Win 10, and I haven't played with Win 11 enough to answer that question. JAWS has a screen curtain that I believe was introduced in 2020. As far as Steve's comment about the system crashing, the screen curtain would not remain active as it is only on until JAWS is reset (or in the case of MacOS or iOS until the device is reset). Meaning if you are using JAWS and logout or reboot the machine the screen curtain is off until you turn it back on again. If the machine crashes and reboots or is forced to reboot the screen curtain will be off until you reactivate it again.
Jim Weiss
jimweiss72@...



On Oct 7, 2021, at 7:08 AM, turab chimthanawala <turabhvc@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...





moderated Re: Jeff Lukacsena: i found a similar tape to mp3 converter

R&J
 

I used audacity (which is free) to record casettes successfully.  I plugged the casette's headphone jack into my laptops microphone input, started recording in Audacity and played the casette.  You'll need to practice a few times to get the casette's volume set properly to obtain a good recording.  When complete, I exported the Audacity project into an mp3 file.  Ron


moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
 

There is not one in Win 10, and I haven’t played with Win 11 enough to answer that question. JAWS has a screen curtain that I believe was introduced in 2020. As far as Steve’s comment about the system crashing, the screen curtain would not remain active as it is only on until JAWS is reset (or in the case of MacOS or iOS until the device is reset). Meaning if you are using JAWS and logout or reboot the machine the screen curtain is off until you turn it back on again. If the machine crashes and reboots or is forced to reboot the screen curtain will be off until you reactivate it again.
Jim Weiss
jimweiss72@...

On Oct 7, 2021, at 7:08 AM, turab chimthanawala <turabhvc@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent
people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...





moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Sameer
 

Dear Turab,


You can use the "Screenshade" feature in JAWS to prevent others from looking over your shoulder when you type sensitive details. The Screenshade can be turned on or off with the keystroke, JAWS key + Spacebar, followed by F11. This keystroke is a toggle keystroke.


Regards
Sameer Latey

On 07-10-2021 04:56 pm, Steve Nutt wrote:
No, and I'm glad of it too.

The trouble with screen curtains is if your device crashes and the screen doesn't come on, you can't get sighted help.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: 07 October 2021 12:08
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...











moderated Re: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Steve Nutt
 

No, and I'm glad of it too.

The trouble with screen curtains is if your device crashes and the screen doesn't come on, you can't get sighted help.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: 07 October 2021 12:08
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Has Windows finally developed a screen curtain like Apple has for Voice over

Hi all,
Is there a screen curtain in Windows? If not anyway I can prevent people spoofing in when I type in some personal content?
Thanks

--
Regards,

Turab Chimthanawala
(ACS, LLM)
+91-8087813609
turabhvc@...

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