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moderated Re: Is there dramatic changes to windows10 most recent version

 

My serious proposal as far as "now what" is:

1.  Do a full system image backup (if possible) of your system so you have it.

2.  Do a backup of all user data which, if necessary, can be done via copy and paste to another drive.

3.  Collect your installers for any programs you use on an external drive.

4.  Then try Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive

You have a system that is well and truly hosed, and based on your description of what this particular Microsoft Accessibility tech did I don't think she did you any favors whatsoever (which does happen, sometimes).

You would be better off to start with a clean slate as it is impossible to know where the proverbial pot has been stirred at this point.

After the computer is up and running again you should make sure that the latest BIOS/UEFI for that machine is installed.  The support pages at your computer's manufacturer's website will have this.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 08:54 AM, Pat Byrne wrote:
I don't think that where the computer came from makes a lot of difference.
-
It really doesn't.  There is plenty of hardware still on store shelves that will not meet the requirements for Windows 11.

But as you noted, Windows 10 is going to be around until 2025 (at least, I suspect there may end up being an extension, but that's pure speculation on my part) and the vast majority of hardware that cannot run Windows 11 will have reached its end of service life anyway.

For most that are incompatible, processor speed and memory has nothing to do with it.  TPM chips on the motherboard is a very recent development, relatively speaking.  The machine I'm typing on has a 4th generation i7 processor and no TPM, and it will not be able to go to Windows 11.

It all comes back to each of us will be using what Microsoft supports for our specific hardware.  If the hardware can accept Windows 11, you'll have the opportunity to upgrade.  If it doesn't, you'll just continue getting Windows 10 updates as you have been.  There's nothing any one of us can do to change this, so it's not worth even thinking about for a specific computer.  If you're buying a new one, that's a different story, but that's not what was asked about.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

David Diamond
 

I personally did not think you were ungrateful. Sometimes those things are necessary. The only time I object is when these agencies, to use a Biblical term, is when they hand us a scorpion instead of a fish. That's why I cringe when I hear refurbished. Just my foolish thoughts.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

Good morning everyone,

I sincerely hope that the message that I posted too this list about my not being able too install windows 11 on this computer, which I purchased through computers for the blind, appears too seem as though I'm ungreatful for what was given too me, because it does for me for the most part, enables me too b able too do what I need it for. I mainly use the computer for reading and sending emails, being able too download books from Bard, and doing searches using the internet with the chrome browser. I had too go this route, because I've had too make a lot of co-payments for medical expenses that I incurred over the last two years.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

I don't think that where the computer came from makes a lot of difference. It was an older donated computer when you received it, so by now it is probably quite elderly. We have an organization near where I live that accepts computers and re-homes them with people who have computer needs. Again, the computers that they deal with are older.
And from what I've seen, as a JAWS user, there was nothing apparent in WIN11 that made me particularly in a hurry to make the jump.
Good luck.
Pat ByrneAt 11:25 PM 9/27/2021, you wrote:

Good evening Brian and Joseph,Â



Yes, the person from the Microsoft disability answer desk, Â did run
the TPM and it did indeed came too the conclusion that this
particular computer wouldn’t be able too install windows 11. Perhaps
it is because I purchased this from computers for the blind.Â



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.



On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

We also need the exact model of this computer so we can figure out if
the computer is truly ready for Windows 11.

-
Not that this wouldn't be helpful, but the very latest Windows PC
Health Check that Microsoft has released is supposed to be quite
accurate as far as detecting whether the hardware on which it is being
run can be updated to Windows 11.

It sounds like the results of a run of that tool already has
specifically detected that Mr.
Cutolo's machine does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for
TPM, even if it met every other requirement. And all it takes is one
of the required bits to be missing to put the kibosh on upgrading to
Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between
thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly
different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the
power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

HI Albert,
I would say, relax. You will be able to continue to do what you need to do with Windows 10 for more years than the computer will probably last.

I know you appreciate the computer and use it to meet your needs.


So, enjoy and forget about Windows 11.


Later,
Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

Good morning everyone,

I sincerely hope that the message that I posted too this list about my not being able too install windows 11 on this computer, which I purchased through computers for the blind, appears too seem as though I'm ungreatful for what was given too me, because it does for me for the most part, enables me too b able too do what I need it for. I mainly use the computer for reading and sending emails, being able too download books from Bard, and doing searches using the internet with the chrome browser. I had too go this route, because I've had too make a lot of co-payments for medical expenses that I incurred over the last two years.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

I don't think that where the computer came from makes a lot of difference. It was an older donated computer when you received it, so by now it is probably quite elderly. We have an organization near where I live that accepts computers and re-homes them with people who have computer needs. Again, the computers that they deal with are older.
And from what I've seen, as a JAWS user, there was nothing apparent in WIN11 that made me particularly in a hurry to make the jump.
Good luck.
Pat ByrneAt 11:25 PM 9/27/2021, you wrote:

Good evening Brian and Joseph,Â



Yes, the person from the Microsoft disability answer desk, Â did run
the TPM and it did indeed came too the conclusion that this
particular computer wouldn’t be able too install windows 11. Perhaps
it is because I purchased this from computers for the blind.Â



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.



On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

We also need the exact model of this computer so we can figure out if
the computer is truly ready for Windows 11.

-
Not that this wouldn't be helpful, but the very latest Windows PC
Health Check that Microsoft has released is supposed to be quite
accurate as far as detecting whether the hardware on which it is being
run can be updated to Windows 11.

It sounds like the results of a run of that tool already has
specifically detected that Mr.
Cutolo's machine does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for
TPM, even if it met every other requirement. And all it takes is one
of the required bits to be missing to put the kibosh on upgrading to
Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between
thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly
different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the
power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

Hi,
One thing I and other Windows Insiders (and anyone running Windows 10) can assure you: if you have Windows 10 on your system, it will be supported until 2025. One of my computers cannot upgrade to Windows 11 due to processor and TPM requirements not being met, but it is powerful enough to last another four years or so (got Windows 11 installed virtually though, although you will now need virtualization programs that can support physical or virtual TPM).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

Good morning everyone,

I sincerely hope that the message that I posted too this list about my not being able too install windows 11 on this computer, which I purchased through computers for the blind, appears too seem as though I'm ungreatful for what was given too me, because it does for me for the most part, enables me too b able too do what I need it for. I mainly use the computer for reading and sending emails, being able too download books from Bard, and doing searches using the internet with the chrome browser. I had too go this route, because I've had too make a lot of co-payments for medical expenses that I incurred over the last two years.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

I don't think that where the computer came from makes a lot of difference. It was an older donated computer when you received it, so by now it is probably quite elderly. We have an organization near where I live that accepts computers and re-homes them with people who have computer needs. Again, the computers that they deal with are older.
And from what I've seen, as a JAWS user, there was nothing apparent in WIN11 that made me particularly in a hurry to make the jump.
Good luck.
Pat ByrneAt 11:25 PM 9/27/2021, you wrote:

Good evening Brian and Joseph,Â



Yes, the person from the Microsoft disability answer desk, Â did run
the TPM and it did indeed came too the conclusion that this
particular computer wouldn’t be able too install windows 11. Perhaps
it is because I purchased this from computers for the blind.Â



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.



On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

We also need the exact model of this computer so we can figure out if
the computer is truly ready for Windows 11.

-
Not that this wouldn't be helpful, but the very latest Windows PC
Health Check that Microsoft has released is supposed to be quite
accurate as far as detecting whether the hardware on which it is being
run can be updated to Windows 11.

It sounds like the results of a run of that tool already has
specifically detected that Mr.
Cutolo's machine does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for
TPM, even if it met every other requirement. And all it takes is one
of the required bits to be missing to put the kibosh on upgrading to
Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between
thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly
different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the
power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

Albert Cutolo
 

Good morning everyone,

I sincerely hope that the message that I posted too this list about my not being able too install windows 11 on this computer, which I purchased through computers for the blind, appears too seem as though I'm ungreatful for what was given too me, because it does for me for the most part, enables me too b able too do what I need it for. I mainly use the computer for reading and sending emails, being able too download books from Bard, and doing searches using the internet with the chrome browser. I had too go this route, because I've had too make a lot of co-payments for medical expenses that I incurred over the last two years.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

I don't think that where the computer came from makes a lot of difference. It was an older donated computer when you received it, so by now it is probably quite elderly. We have an organization near where I live that accepts computers and re-homes them with people who have computer needs. Again, the computers that they deal with are older.
And from what I've seen, as a JAWS user, there was nothing apparent in WIN11 that made me particularly in a hurry to make the jump.
Good luck.
Pat ByrneAt 11:25 PM 9/27/2021, you wrote:

Good evening Brian and Joseph,Â



Yes, the person from the Microsoft disability answer desk, Â did run
the TPM and it did indeed came too the conclusion that this
particular computer wouldn’t be able too install windows 11.Â
Perhaps it is because I purchased this from computers for the blind.Â



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.



On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

We also need the exact model of this computer so
we can figure out if the computer is truly ready for Windows 11.

-
Not that this wouldn't be helpful, but the very
latest Windows PC Health Check that Microsoft
has released is supposed to be quite accurate as
far as detecting whether the hardware on which
it is being run can be updated to Windows 11.

It sounds like the results of a run of that tool
already has specifically detected that Mr.
Cutolo's machine does not meet the minimum
hardware requirements for TPM, even if it met
every other requirement. And all it takes is
one of the required bits to be missing to put
the kibosh on upgrading to Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

It is the function of creative men to perceive
the relations between thoughts, or things, or
forms of expression that may seem utterly
different, and to be able to combine them into
some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

Hi,

I5 is a brand/class. The first Core I3/I5/I7 processors were made in 2008, and Intel added Core I9 to the line-up recently. These four classes target different market segment:

  • Core I3: entry consumer
  • Core I5: mainstream consumer and business
  • Core I7: high-end consumer and business
  • Core I9: enthusiasts

A typical Intel Core processor is labeled as:

Intel Core I{class}-{generation}{range}{name}{suffix}

For example, a Core I-5-10400 processor is a tenth generation Core I5 processor for desktops. The label gets a bit complicated with recent mobile processors such as:

Intel Core I{class}-{generation}{name}G{power}

For example, Core I5-1145G7 is an 11th generation processor designed for a typical laptop computer. Intel knows that this creates confusion, so the processor prefixes its full name with the generation it is part of (for example: 11th Gen Intel Core).

There will be a general advisory on Windows 11 support (especially from screen reader user’s point of view) to be published on a forum dedicated to discussing a combination of Windows and various screen readers out there.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

So, when would a computer with I 5 have been made?  I probably got the specs wrong however, a laptop on Amazon has a I 5 processor.  That almost sounds like it was made over 10 years ago.  How is that possible. As in how could they sell such an old computer.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 2:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

You always get what you pay for. From what I know of Computers for the Blind they usually sell machines which are donated to them and which they refurbish, but this will mean they are probably most likely older and nothing that is more than 4 or at most 5 years old will run Windows 11 because for the most part you need an 8th Generation Intel processor (a very few 7th Gen Intel CPU's have been allowed) or an AMD Ryzen 2000 series processor.

Intel released its 8th Generation processors in August 2017 so at the earliest computers bought in late summer/early fall 2017 would have had such a CPU.

AMD released its Ryzen 2000 series CPU's in April of 2018 so unless you bought an AMD computer after that it is unlikely it will support Windows 11.

 

My Asus Zenbook which I bought in November 2016 when 7th Generation Intel processorswere already available still had a 6th Generation CPU and even though it has a TPM 2.0 chip, uses UEFI for the BIOS and SecureBoot is enabled it still won't run Windows 11 because the processor itself does not meet the requirements.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: September 27, 2021 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

Albert, if it is any consolation, I asked the MS help desk to run a diagnostic on a computer that my sister bought from Amazon a few months ago and has set to set it up.  Finally I just asked her if you are not going to set it up, just give it to me.  Well, along with other things that needed tweaking including putting on the latest version of JAWS, I thought as long as the tech is peeking in my computer, she might as well look to see if it can run windows 11.  Apparently, the processor from what I could determine from her thick accent, is not fast enough.  She re-assured me that 10 would be operational till 025.  Also she suggested I contact HP to see if there is anything they can do to fix the problem.  Call me naive, but, I’d think computers would not be sold if the processor will be shortly to slow.  Mind you, I’m buying a laptop from Amazon with just DDR 3 RAM, which I was told is pretty much obsolete now. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 9:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

Good evening Brian and Joseph, 

 

Yes, the person from the Microsoft disability answer desk,  did run the TPM and it did indeed came too the conclusion  that this particular computer wouldn’t be able too install windows 11.  Perhaps it is because I purchased this from computers for the blind. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

We also need the exact model of this computer so we can figure out if the computer is truly ready for Windows 11.

-
Not that this wouldn't be helpful, but the very latest Windows PC Health Check that Microsoft has released is supposed to be quite accurate as far as detecting whether the hardware on which it is being run can be updated to Windows 11.

It sounds like the results of a run of that tool already has specifically detected that Mr. Cutolo's machine does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for TPM, even if it met every other requirement.  And all it takes is one of the required bits to be missing to put the kibosh on upgrading to Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

David Diamond
 

So, when would a computer with I 5 have been made?  I probably got the specs wrong however, a laptop on Amazon has a I 5 processor.  That almost sounds like it was made over 10 years ago.  How is that possible. As in how could they sell such an old computer.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 2:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

You always get what you pay for. From what I know of Computers for the Blind they usually sell machines which are donated to them and which they refurbish, but this will mean they are probably most likely older and nothing that is more than 4 or at most 5 years old will run Windows 11 because for the most part you need an 8th Generation Intel processor (a very few 7th Gen Intel CPU's have been allowed) or an AMD Ryzen 2000 series processor.

Intel released its 8th Generation processors in August 2017 so at the earliest computers bought in late summer/early fall 2017 would have had such a CPU.

AMD released its Ryzen 2000 series CPU's in April of 2018 so unless you bought an AMD computer after that it is unlikely it will support Windows 11.

 

My Asus Zenbook which I bought in November 2016 when 7th Generation Intel processorswere already available still had a 6th Generation CPU and even though it has a TPM 2.0 chip, uses UEFI for the BIOS and SecureBoot is enabled it still won't run Windows 11 because the processor itself does not meet the requirements.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: September 27, 2021 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

Albert, if it is any consolation, I asked the MS help desk to run a diagnostic on a computer that my sister bought from Amazon a few months ago and has set to set it up.  Finally I just asked her if you are not going to set it up, just give it to me.  Well, along with other things that needed tweaking including putting on the latest version of JAWS, I thought as long as the tech is peeking in my computer, she might as well look to see if it can run windows 11.  Apparently, the processor from what I could determine from her thick accent, is not fast enough.  She re-assured me that 10 would be operational till 025.  Also she suggested I contact HP to see if there is anything they can do to fix the problem.  Call me naive, but, I’d think computers would not be sold if the processor will be shortly to slow.  Mind you, I’m buying a laptop from Amazon with just DDR 3 RAM, which I was told is pretty much obsolete now. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 9:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

Good evening Brian and Joseph, 

 

Yes, the person from the Microsoft disability answer desk,  did run the TPM and it did indeed came too the conclusion  that this particular computer wouldn’t be able too install windows 11.  Perhaps it is because I purchased this from computers for the blind. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

We also need the exact model of this computer so we can figure out if the computer is truly ready for Windows 11.

-
Not that this wouldn't be helpful, but the very latest Windows PC Health Check that Microsoft has released is supposed to be quite accurate as far as detecting whether the hardware on which it is being run can be updated to Windows 11.

It sounds like the results of a run of that tool already has specifically detected that Mr. Cutolo's machine does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for TPM, even if it met every other requirement.  And all it takes is one of the required bits to be missing to put the kibosh on upgrading to Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Is there dramatic changes to windows10 most recent version

kevin meyers
 

I worked with Microsoft Accessibility yesterday and they couldn’t figure it out. She had me use be my eyes. First she had me press f2 many times while the laptop was booting up. That didn’t work we then did f10 many times and that didn’t work. We then used the function key with f2 and then f10. That didn’t work. I noticed that it had opened over 20 Excel windows. We then got into BIOS going through windows settings. She had me enable the function key. That didn’t do anything. Okay now what?Prior to that I couldn’t get Outlook to work. I had created a backup of Outlook on my old laptop by doing a export. Then I used import on the new laptop to bring it in. All but one email address stayed the same. The main one is now called Outlook data file and not the email address. Thanks Microsoft Accessibility! Now what?

Thanks,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 10:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there dramatic changes to windows10 most recent version

 

On most machines, media keys have absolutely nothing to do with Windows, and everything to do with UEFI/BIOS version.

Has your machine recently undergone a BIOS update?  Is your current BIOS version way out of date?  That's what I'd be checking first.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

Pat Byrne
 

I don't think that where the computer came from makes a lot of difference. It was an older donated computer when you received it, so by now it is probably quite elderly. We have an organization near where I live that accepts computers and re-homes them with people who have computer needs. Again, the computers that they deal with are older.
And from what I've seen, as a JAWS user, there was nothing apparent in WIN11 that made me particularly in a hurry to make the jump.
Good luck.
Pat ByrneAt 11:25 PM 9/27/2021, you wrote:

Good evening Brian and Joseph,Â



Yes, the person from the Microsoft disability answer desk,  did run the TPM and it did indeed came too the conclusion that this particular computer wouldn’t be able too install windows 11. Perhaps it is because I purchased this from computers for the blind.Â



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.



On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

We also need the exact model of this computer so we can figure out if the computer is truly ready for Windows 11.

-
Not that this wouldn't be helpful, but the very latest Windows PC Health Check that Microsoft has released is supposed to be quite accurate as far as detecting whether the hardware on which it is being run can be updated to Windows 11.

It sounds like the results of a run of that tool already has specifically detected that Mr. Cutolo's machine does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for TPM, even if it met every other requirement. And all it takes is one of the required bits to be missing to put the kibosh on upgrading to Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

Loy
 

I read on Kim Komando's newsletter, that Microsoft will allow some older computers to install Windows 11 if they sign a waver.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 9:15 PM
Subject: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

               Good evening everyone, 

 

Earlier this afternoon, I got in touch with the people from Microsoft’s disability answer desk  and asked them to see if this computer would be able too install windows 11.  Unfortunately, after they ran the windows help thing,  it said that the chip that is in this computer which is a dell 46 hundred, with a one point two   chip wouldn’t  allow windows 11, too be installed.  He said that I would need a chip that has a two point zero chip, or perhaps, that kind of processor.      


moderated Re: List of folders in Outlook 2016

Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nchan@...>
 

Provided the folder pane is shown there. else, it will just not f6 or shift - f6 or whatever keyboard shortcut to it.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 16:15, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Also note that you can’t do operations on a folder with the Control Y list. That is to say, you can’t rename a folder, even by pressing your applications key. For this, only the Control Shift Tab or Shift F6 methods will work.

 

In other words, Control Y is literally a Go To command, whereas the others take you to the folder pane.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 27 September 2021 00:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List of folders in Outlook 2016

 

I apologize, I should have said Control + Shift + Tab is what brings you to the folder list when  you are in a mail box. It used to be that Shift + Tab did, but now you have to add the Control key to that shortcut.

As for F6, it still works, but if you are in a mailbox and you want to go straight to your folders list you have to press Shift + F6, if you press only F6, you would have to press it 4 times to get there, the fifth time you would be back in your mailbox, but Shift + F6 will get you there right away.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the folder list you get to with Control + Shift + Tab or Shift + F6 no longer contains Calendar, Contacts and Notes. But if you use Control + Y these are still there.

If you want to get to them in another way you have to press Shift + F6 twice or F6 three times, this will put you on the "Mail button", you can now arrow right to Calendar, People (which is Contacts) or Tasks. The last item here is something called the "Navigation menu" and if you activate this you can find Notes or you can find "Navigation Options", here you can reorder these items the way you want and you can put Notes further up in the list so it will show up instead of, for example, Tasks.

To do this when you have tabbed into the list, find Notes and then tab to where it says "Move Up" and activate it until Notes is where you want it in that list, similarly you could go to Tasks and move it down.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: September 26, 2021 2:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List of folders in Outlook 2016

 

Thanks, Control + Y did it!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List of folders in Outlook 2016

 

It is either Control + Shift + F6 or Control + Y also brings u the folder list.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: September 26, 2021 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: List of folders in Outlook 2016

 

Hello.  I’m using the most recent versions of Windows 10, Outlook 2016 and JAWS 2021.  I’m setting up a new Asus laptop, and pulling in the data from the old Acer laptop for Outlook seemed to work, but I need to list the folders, which I used to do on the old laptop with Shift-F6.  Now that key combo causes Windows notifications to come up.  The F6 key by itself on my new laptop turns the touchpad on and off.


moderated Re: Outlook and Replies Issue

Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nchan@...>
 

Go to Outlook option
alt - f and t
move down to mail
tab and find this option call
When replying to a message that's not in the inbox, save the reply in the same folder
 did you check that option, if yes, uncheck or untick will resolve your problem.

tab to ok and it should be gone for good.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Sat, 25 Sept 2021 at 22:11, Shankar.C <shankar.c@...> wrote:

Hi,

From the tasks folder, select any messages and click on move to inbox and see what happens.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and Replies Issue

 

Hi Curtis,

 

Thank you very much for your reply.  I'll send it on to my friend.

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 5:27 PM

Subject: Re: Outlook and Replies Issue

 

How long has this been going, and when did it start? Also, was there any kind of system change or software install which occurred coincident with the problem arising?

 

This kind of problem should be taken up with Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900. They seem to be doing a fairly good job these days.

 

With kind regards,

 

Curtis Chong

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 5:52 PM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Outlook and Replies Issue

 

Hi All,

 

A friend is running Win10 latest, Outlook 2019 with Jaws2021 latest.  Whenever he sends an email to someone, and they reply, the reply emails go to a folder called,

Task This Computer Only,

whereas, all replies use to go to the In Box.

Does anyone have any ideas of what’s going on here and how to make all replies to his messages go to the In Box like there suppose to? 

All help is greatly appreciated!  Thanks mooy moocho.

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 


moderated Re: Is there dramatic changes to windows10 most recent version

Phillip Gross
 

Do you know the key combination for turning off the media keys on your specific model of computer? If not, Google it. If you Have tried this I’m sorry.


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

You always get what you pay for. From what I know of Computers for the Blind they usually sell machines which are donated to them and which they refurbish, but this will mean they are probably most likely older and nothing that is more than 4 or at most 5 years old will run Windows 11 because for the most part you need an 8th Generation Intel processor (a very few 7th Gen Intel CPU's have been allowed) or an AMD Ryzen 2000 series processor.

Intel released its 8th Generation processors in August 2017 so at the earliest computers bought in late summer/early fall 2017 would have had such a CPU.

AMD released its Ryzen 2000 series CPU's in April of 2018 so unless you bought an AMD computer after that it is unlikely it will support Windows 11.

 

My Asus Zenbook which I bought in November 2016 when 7th Generation Intel processorswere already available still had a 6th Generation CPU and even though it has a TPM 2.0 chip, uses UEFI for the BIOS and SecureBoot is enabled it still won't run Windows 11 because the processor itself does not meet the requirements.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: September 27, 2021 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

Albert, if it is any consolation, I asked the MS help desk to run a diagnostic on a computer that my sister bought from Amazon a few months ago and has set to set it up.  Finally I just asked her if you are not going to set it up, just give it to me.  Well, along with other things that needed tweaking including putting on the latest version of JAWS, I thought as long as the tech is peeking in my computer, she might as well look to see if it can run windows 11.  Apparently, the processor from what I could determine from her thick accent, is not fast enough.  She re-assured me that 10 would be operational till 025.  Also she suggested I contact HP to see if there is anything they can do to fix the problem.  Call me naive, but, I’d think computers would not be sold if the processor will be shortly to slow.  Mind you, I’m buying a laptop from Amazon with just DDR 3 RAM, which I was told is pretty much obsolete now. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 9:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

Good evening Brian and Joseph, 

 

Yes, the person from the Microsoft disability answer desk,  did run the TPM and it did indeed came too the conclusion  that this particular computer wouldn’t be able too install windows 11.  Perhaps it is because I purchased this from computers for the blind. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

We also need the exact model of this computer so we can figure out if the computer is truly ready for Windows 11.

-
Not that this wouldn't be helpful, but the very latest Windows PC Health Check that Microsoft has released is supposed to be quite accurate as far as detecting whether the hardware on which it is being run can be updated to Windows 11.

It sounds like the results of a run of that tool already has specifically detected that Mr. Cutolo's machine does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for TPM, even if it met every other requirement.  And all it takes is one of the required bits to be missing to put the kibosh on upgrading to Windows 11.
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moderated Re: gmail question

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

As far as I can tell she simply wants to turn off forwarding so unchecking the box to forward is all that is required, the email address can stay in there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 27, 2021 11:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: gmail question

Hi, Madison. I don't understand. You said you wanted to remove an address.
If you don't have a new address that you want your email forwarded to, then just remove the old address, and don't forward.

This is a little confusing, that's why it would be better if I could talk with you. That way, I could answer questions in real time, instead of going back and forth, trying to figure out what you are asking.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: gmail question

How do I remove the old one? I don't have a new address; I want to get back to using the one that was forwarding messages to my gmail address (or as you called it the old address) because it's through my ISP and they don't filter nearly as much as gmail does.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 27, 2021 12:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: gmail question

The only thing you need to do is put the new forwarding address in, once you remove the old one. Then save your changes.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: gmail question

Do I need to do anything with the forwarding address, or as long as the disable forwarding checkbox is checked is everything good?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 27, 2021 11:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: gmail question

Hi, Madison. It's in the same dialog as your current forwarding address.
Here's how my dialog looks on gmail,

Forwarding:
Choices
Setting
Choices
Forwarding:
Disable forwarding radio button not checked
1 of 2
Forward a copy of incoming mail to radio button checked
2 of 2

you need to change it so that
Disable forwarding radio button not checked
is changed to
Disable forwarding radio button checked

by spacing on the
Disable forwarding radio button not checked
option.

By the way, Madison, the reason my dialog looks this way is that I am using Basic html mode in gmail.

If you need help with this, I will send you my phone number in the United States. Because I know you are in Canada, another option is that, when you receive my private message with my phone number, you can reply back, and give me yours instead. I have free calling to Canada, and I won't be charged if I call you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: gmail question

Where do I go to disable forwarding?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 27, 2021 10:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: gmail question

Hi, Madison. The option to remove an email address won't come up until you "Disable Forwarding, and save your changes. Once you do that, there will be an option to remove the old email address. Once you have removed the old email address, just re-enable forwarding by checking the, Forward a copy of incoming mail check box, and save your changes.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 8:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: gmail question

Hi all,
I have gmail set up so that all messages sent to my other account get forwarded to my gmail address, but now I've added my other account to Outlook, how do I stop messages sent to my other address from being forwarded to my gmail address?
I set this on the gmail web interface, but I've looked through settings and all I can find is the option to add a forwarding address.
Using latest versions of Jaws, Office 365 and Windows 10 and I'm using Firefox as my browser to access the gmail web interface. Really hope someone can help me!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Question about Windows Defender

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Sounds like a scam, what you have to do is look at the underlying URL of the link you are asked to click on, but generally speaking unless you requested a password reset and expect an email with a link to follow never click on any links in emails like that. If you have already done so and changed yourpassword I would immediately log into Facebook and change your password again there and of course youwould have to do the same for any other websites where you used that password. There is a reason why it is strongly recommended that you use different passwords for different websites and nowadays really the only option in my opinion is to use a password manager because if you really are using good password security meaning difficult and for the most part random passwords there is no way anybody can remember all the passwords one needs.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: September 27, 2021 1:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about Windows Defender

 

I have tried doing that but any time I try to go into FaceBook it takes me to some page called Epsilon. I don’t know if this is legit or not.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about Windows Defender

 

Mary Ann, I got a few of those messages and ignored them. Nothing happened. They just might be a scam—or they could be legit, but I still have FaceBook and nothing happened when I didn’t change. Just my opinion. Others may have more to add.

 

Cheerfully.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Marianne Denning
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 4:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question about Windows Defender

 

I am running Windows Defender and I keep getting messages from FaceBook to change my password. It has happened 3 times in the last month. I know this is not a JAWS question but does anyone have any suggestions about why this is happening? I have a Windows 10 computer and all Windows updates are current.

 


moderated Re: Question about Windows Defender

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

That is a good point, are you sure they are really from Facebook? How do you get these messages? Are they emails, notifications or text messages? If you do change it I would certainly not follow the link in any of these requests if there is a link but log into Facebook and then select the option to change password from your account settings area.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: September 27, 2021 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about Windows Defender

 

Mary Ann, I got a few of those messages and ignored them. Nothing happened. They just might be a scam—or they could be legit, but I still have FaceBook and nothing happened when I didn’t change. Just my opinion. Others may have more to add.

 

Cheerfully.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Marianne Denning
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 4:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question about Windows Defender

 

I am running Windows Defender and I keep getting messages from FaceBook to change my password. It has happened 3 times in the last month. I know this is not a JAWS question but does anyone have any suggestions about why this is happening? I have a Windows 10 computer and all Windows updates are current.

 


moderated Re: Question about Windows Defender

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

If the messages come from Facebook I don't see what it has to do with Windows Defender. You might simply want to go ahead and change it and it will probably fix the issue. I have actually seen notifications in the iOS keychain app where for some less important logins where I have a comparatively simple password it says that this password has been identified to be part of some password leak and I should change it. Maybe the messages from Facebook are for a similar reason.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: September 27, 2021 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question about Windows Defender

 

I am running Windows Defender and I keep getting messages from FaceBook to change my password. It has happened 3 times in the last month. I know this is not a JAWS question but does anyone have any suggestions about why this is happening? I have a Windows 10 computer and all Windows updates are current.


moderated Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

David Diamond
 

Albert, if it is any consolation, I asked the MS help desk to run a diagnostic on a computer that my sister bought from Amazon a few months ago and has set to set it up.  Finally I just asked her if you are not going to set it up, just give it to me.  Well, along with other things that needed tweaking including putting on the latest version of JAWS, I thought as long as the tech is peeking in my computer, she might as well look to see if it can run windows 11.  Apparently, the processor from what I could determine from her thick accent, is not fast enough.  She re-assured me that 10 would be operational till 025.  Also she suggested I contact HP to see if there is anything they can do to fix the problem.  Call me naive, but, I’d think computers would not be sold if the processor will be shortly to slow.  Mind you, I’m buying a laptop from Amazon with just DDR 3 RAM, which I was told is pretty much obsolete now. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 9:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

Good evening Brian and Joseph, 

 

Yes, the person from the Microsoft disability answer desk,  did run the TPM and it did indeed came too the conclusion  that this particular computer wouldn’t be able too install windows 11.  Perhaps it is because I purchased this from computers for the blind. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computer won't allow me too install windows 11.

 

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 09:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

We also need the exact model of this computer so we can figure out if the computer is truly ready for Windows 11.

-
Not that this wouldn't be helpful, but the very latest Windows PC Health Check that Microsoft has released is supposed to be quite accurate as far as detecting whether the hardware on which it is being run can be updated to Windows 11.

It sounds like the results of a run of that tool already has specifically detected that Mr. Cutolo's machine does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for TPM, even if it met every other requirement.  And all it takes is one of the required bits to be missing to put the kibosh on upgrading to Windows 11.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

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