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Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Claudia
 

Something must not be installed correctly then, because we use the Control Alt plus Delete method to log in.
However, prior to entering this key command, I am given the prompt that Jaws for Windows is ready.
But, I do not know when I can enter the Control Alt Delete command.
And, when I am told to, by a sighted person, I still cannot tab through the user name, password and enter fields.

Claudia

On 4/17/2012 12:51 AM, Farfar, and Proud of It wrote:
I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn"<johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'"<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy this
either.

Claudia


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Re: Enterprise software

Claudia
 

Hi,

I do feel that this discussion needs to be had. In my personal situation, I honestly am to the point of wanting to quit. My last job was a breeze, compared to the new position I accepted and began on March 5.
I have run into nothing but problems, in terms of accessibility to employer-related data bases. I have had very limited success in accessing what I need to access, in order to serve my clients.
I work for a state entity and took this job, because of the benefits involved. I thought I was trying to get my family further ahead financially, but the emotional toll this is taking is truly affecting my mental well-being.

Claudia

On 3/17/2012 11:28 PM, brad wrote:
NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LIST. I WAS BEGINNING TO THINK I GOT SOME SORT OF
E-MAIL VIRUS SPAM OR SOMETHING


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:16 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Enterprise software

Please find out and publish how many blind employees any of these companies
have, and what their general responsibilities are.

Do you understand the business practices of these companies? Do you
understand the massive resources at their disposal to create severe
anti-competitive conditions in the market? Abetted by customer management?

Do you understand why there is a movement called "Access built in" that some
leaders of disability advocacy feel is the ONLY way to get "real"
accessibility in such products?

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:52:06 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Dave Mitchell"
<mitch@orbitelcom.com>)
Subject: Re: Enterprise software
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Dude, Please take it off list or show us how to do it with your own
company or both. Thank you.
...


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Re: Enterprise software

Dave...
 

Have any of these so-called helpful people bothered to call Freedom
Scientific to get their help?

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia" <cdelreal1973@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:49
Subject: Re: Enterprise software


I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major
source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I
have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same
impact on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably
an understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I
surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind
in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues,
regarding screen reading software.

Claudia


On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In
my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity, and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its
eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose
working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety,
ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have
not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such products
in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Dave...
 

I beg to differ. JAWS 13 will speak during the logon frame in either a
standard Windows logon or on a network-based logon -- those that are
accessed via Ctrl+Alt+delete.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 22:38
Subject: RE: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?


JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy this
either.

Claudia


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Re: Enterprise software

Claudia
 

I am experiencing this very problem, at the moment.
Seven weeks on my new job, and the accessibility component is a major source of frustration for me.
All of the powers that be, within the agency, know my issues because I have been very vocal about them, but they don't get it.
Unless they're physically affected by it, it will not have the same impact on them. To say that I am frustrated, at this point, is probably an understatement.
If I'd have known that there were going to be all of these issues, I surely would have thought twice about taking this position.
I was under the impression that they'd dealt with a person who was blind in the past and therefore had knowledge of accessibility issues, regarding screen reading software.

Claudia

On 3/17/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You don't state your source for these statements, but you appear to quote
them to support your argument in another post for employee passivity. In my
experience, disabled employees who are too timid to assert their adaptive
needs suffer more harm than if they resign themselves to limits driven by
fear of job loss. Agreed, it is important to know what the limits of
accessibility may be in a particular area, which is perhaps what you're
suggesting, but you go too far. Nothing damages morale like passivity, and
nothing impairs the respect an employee can earn than inability to work
productively with the employer's software.

Note that a company as big as Oracle, which produces not only its eponymous
database but also PeopleSoft, should be held accountable for their
accessibility, just as Microsoft has been. This may be something for the
ACB, NFB, the Justice Department and other organizations to take up.
Meanwhile, employees who are harmed by their limited accessibility should
ensure their supervisors know, and accommodations can be demanded.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:52 AM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Fwd: Enterprise software

fyi

---- Original message ----
...

Have you asked your union to investigate compliance issues?

Typically, union representatives can help you with not only workplace
specific contract violations, but can also assist an employee whose working
conditions are bad where those conditions are violating organizational
policies, or state or federal labor laws, workplace health and safety, ADA,
and so forth.
In some cases, large, expensive enterprise software packages that have not
historically been designed to be accessible are made minimally accessible
primarily for purposes of legal compliance (to minimize the company's
exposure to litigation) in newer versions. However, there may not be very
many visually impaired people that are actually able to use such products in
a productive or effective manner directly via the standard interface.
...


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Re: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

John Martyn
 

JAWS 13 does work with Windows XP, except the login screen. If you want
access during the login screen you have to have Windows Vista or windows 7.
I would recommend they uninstall JAWS completely and make sure that all
Freedom scientific folders are taken out of the program files on the local
drive. It may require a local installation because some components might
need registering with the operating system such as DLL files. A remote
install just dumping files into the program files directory will not work.
The video intercept needs to be installed before JAWS is installed, not the
other way around.
Hope this helps,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:21 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but
everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws
Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall
this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times,
without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT
people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but
Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy this
either.

Claudia


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Jaws 13 and Windows XP Pro?

Claudia
 

Hi,

Does Jaws 13 work with Windows XP Pro?
Also, my employer just installed Jaws 13 on a Dell laptop for me, but everytime I shut the computer down and turn it back on, we get the Jaws Video Intercept error. It prompts us to either view, install or uninstall this component. Of course, we have attempted installation several times, without success.
The installation of the Jaws wsotware is being done remotely, by the IT people downstate.
Not sure how to proceed with this.

We also have to log into the system, with our user name and password, but Jaws does not speak during this process, and I don't know how to remedy this either.

Claudia


Re: Jaws retaining settings

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I've never fooled with that; I've seen some of you talk about it,
though. I use the simple stuff like paragraph-font, insert or delete a
row in a spreadsheet, stuff that's easy and saves hassle. Also, for the
benefit of our fellow correspondent, the items you want to set and
forget can usually be found under Options on the File menu, just above
Exit. I think that corresponds to Tools under the old structure.

Ted

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Farfar on My Old
Laptop
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Ted,

I'd like to tone down one point in your declaration. Almost all of the
shortcuts work. There are a few that just do not. However I can't recall
which, since I, too tend to use the ribbon as do you, and use just a few
shortcuts of most-often-required functions.

You didn't mention the QAT, which is a very good tool to customize for
those other often-used functions.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:58
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


I haven't looked at 2010, although I'm supposed to get it here soon. I
was actually lumping 2007 and 2010 together, as marking a departure from
earlier Office versions. I've used 2007 since the end of 2007, and
found a lot to like. They should have much in common. Like most menu
people, I was skeptical about the ribbon, but soon discovered my worries
to be unfounded.

One tip: if you decide to go with the Microsoft ribbon, rather than the
Virtual Ribbon, do most of your serious navigating with tab, rather than
the left and right cursor. I use the latter to navigate from tab to tab
(read section to section), then down arrow to drop into the tab I want,
then let the tab and shift-tab handle the internal navigation. Also, as
has often been stated on the list, any Office shortcut keys you
regularly use still work, allowing you to bypass the ribbon for some
simple tasks.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:10 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings

Ted, by "next generation," do you mean Office 2010? If so, it's
encouraging.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings

I'm willing to bet you'll like the next generation Office. The ribbon
isn't half bad, and FS has a fine training module. You also get
on-the-fly PDF creation, and a better, more compact, file format.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Hi Adrian,

Maybe I should change the subject line to Jaws not retaining settings.
lol.

Well, XP and Word 2003 aren't dead yet. The employer I am starting with
requires that combination. So, until all industries move on, it's still
a platform that is in considerable use. Right now I'm a happy camper and
quite glad I didn't get around to upgrading yet. I do like Word 2003 and
dread the day when I am forced to make the leap.

Jean


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind
of solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic
and irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the
2007 era, but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with
my Dinosaur applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in
its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with
the combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable.
I'm sure he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example
of why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully,
and all went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis,
with many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its
settings as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I
usually notice it first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and
requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know
if its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the
FS organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to
use the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as
needed, pop it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back
and forth between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then
switching back to the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get
messed up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have
styles and attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are
not announced. It then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow
keys don't read text either. The solution seems to be to restart Word
every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching?
Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go
back to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave...
 

Ted,

I'd like to tone down one point in your declaration. Almost all of the
shortcuts work. There are a few that just do not. However I can't recall
which, since I, too tend to use the ribbon as do you, and use just a few
shortcuts of most-often-required functions.

You didn't mention the QAT, which is a very good tool to customize for those
other often-used functions.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:58
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


I haven't looked at 2010, although I'm supposed to get it here soon. I
was actually lumping 2007 and 2010 together, as marking a departure from
earlier Office versions. I've used 2007 since the end of 2007, and
found a lot to like. They should have much in common. Like most menu
people, I was skeptical about the ribbon, but soon discovered my worries
to be unfounded.

One tip: if you decide to go with the Microsoft ribbon, rather than the
Virtual Ribbon, do most of your serious navigating with tab, rather than
the left and right cursor. I use the latter to navigate from tab to tab
(read section to section), then down arrow to drop into the tab I want,
then let the tab and shift-tab handle the internal navigation. Also, as
has often been stated on the list, any Office shortcut keys you
regularly use still work, allowing you to bypass the ribbon for some
simple tasks.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:10 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings

Ted, by "next generation," do you mean Office 2010? If so, it's
encouraging.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings

I'm willing to bet you'll like the next generation Office. The ribbon
isn't half bad, and FS has a fine training module. You also get
on-the-fly PDF creation, and a better, more compact, file format.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Hi Adrian,

Maybe I should change the subject line to Jaws not retaining settings.
lol.

Well, XP and Word 2003 aren't dead yet. The employer I am starting with
requires that combination. So, until all industries move on, it's still
a platform that is in considerable use. Right now I'm a happy camper and
quite glad I didn't get around to upgrading yet. I do like Word 2003 and
dread the day when I am forced to make the leap.

Jean


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind
of solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic
and irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the
2007 era, but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with
my Dinosaur applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in
its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with
the combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable.
I'm sure he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example
of why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully,
and all went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis,
with many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its
settings as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I
usually notice it first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and
requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know
if its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the
FS organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to
use the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as
needed, pop it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back
and forth between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then
switching back to the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get
messed up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have
styles and attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are
not announced. It then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow
keys don't read text either. The solution seems to be to restart Word
every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching?
Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go
back to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I haven't looked at 2010, although I'm supposed to get it here soon. I
was actually lumping 2007 and 2010 together, as marking a departure from
earlier Office versions. I've used 2007 since the end of 2007, and
found a lot to like. They should have much in common. Like most menu
people, I was skeptical about the ribbon, but soon discovered my worries
to be unfounded.

One tip: if you decide to go with the Microsoft ribbon, rather than the
Virtual Ribbon, do most of your serious navigating with tab, rather than
the left and right cursor. I use the latter to navigate from tab to tab
(read section to section), then down arrow to drop into the tab I want,
then let the tab and shift-tab handle the internal navigation. Also, as
has often been stated on the list, any Office shortcut keys you
regularly use still work, allowing you to bypass the ribbon for some
simple tasks.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:10 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings

Ted, by "next generation," do you mean Office 2010? If so, it's
encouraging.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings

I'm willing to bet you'll like the next generation Office. The ribbon
isn't half bad, and FS has a fine training module. You also get
on-the-fly PDF creation, and a better, more compact, file format.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Hi Adrian,

Maybe I should change the subject line to Jaws not retaining settings.
lol.

Well, XP and Word 2003 aren't dead yet. The employer I am starting with
requires that combination. So, until all industries move on, it's still
a platform that is in considerable use. Right now I'm a happy camper and
quite glad I didn't get around to upgrading yet. I do like Word 2003 and
dread the day when I am forced to make the leap.

Jean


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind
of solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic
and irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the
2007 era, but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with
my Dinosaur applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in
its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with
the combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable.
I'm sure he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example
of why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully,
and all went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis,
with many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its
settings as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I
usually notice it first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and
requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know
if its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the
FS organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to
use the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as
needed, pop it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back
and forth between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then
switching back to the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get
messed up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have
styles and attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are
not announced. It then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow
keys don't read text either. The solution seems to be to restart Word
every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching?
Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go
back to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Adrian Spratt
 

Ted, by "next generation," do you mean Office 2010? If so, it's encouraging.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings

I'm willing to bet you'll like the next generation Office. The ribbon isn't
half bad, and FS has a fine training module. You also get on-the-fly PDF
creation, and a better, more compact, file format.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Hi Adrian,

Maybe I should change the subject line to Jaws not retaining settings.
lol.

Well, XP and Word 2003 aren't dead yet. The employer I am starting with
requires that combination. So, until all industries move on, it's still a
platform that is in considerable use. Right now I'm a happy camper and quite
glad I didn't get around to upgrading yet. I do like Word 2003 and dread the
day when I am forced to make the leap.

Jean


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind of
solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic and
irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the 2007 era,
but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with my Dinosaur
applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with the
combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable. I'm sure
he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example of
why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully, and all
went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis, with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to
use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed,
pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back
to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get
messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles
and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not
announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read
text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching?
Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go
back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I'm willing to bet you'll like the next generation Office. The ribbon
isn't half bad, and FS has a fine training module. You also get
on-the-fly PDF creation, and a better, more compact, file format.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:50 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Hi Adrian,

Maybe I should change the subject line to Jaws not retaining settings.
lol.

Well, XP and Word 2003 aren't dead yet. The employer I am starting with
requires that combination. So, until all industries move on, it's still
a platform that is in considerable use. Right now I'm a happy camper and
quite glad I didn't get around to upgrading yet. I do like Word 2003 and
dread the day when I am forced to make the leap.

Jean


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind
of
solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic
and
irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the 2007
era,
but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with my
Dinosaur
applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with
the
combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable. I'm
sure
he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example
of
why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully, and
all
went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis,
with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its
settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually
notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use
the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know
if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the
FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to
use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed,
pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back
to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get
messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles
and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not
announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read
text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching?
Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go
back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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FW: the JFW Foobar scripts from Andrew Hart are now available.

David Truong <davidtruong@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2012 4:07 AM

Hi folks,

For those folks out there who use Foobar 2000 for listening to their
movies/tv/radio audio, I've written some JAWS scripts for this media player
that you may find useful. Among other things, they provide the ability to
set multiple time markers for an audio track you are playing, as well as
commands for having JAWS speak the elapsed, remaining and total time of an
audio track. Essentially, they provide Foobar 2000 with some of the
functionality available in the JAWS scripts for Winamp. The scripts are for
JAWS versions 12 and 13, but should also be compatible with JAWS 11 and
earlier versions at least as far back as 9. However, I can't make any
promises as I have only tested them on JAWS 12 and 13.
The scripts can be downloaded from

http://www.jfwscripts.cjb.net

For any Winap users checking out the scripts, please note that while many of
the JAWS commands are the same as in Winamp, there are some minor
differences in order to accomodate the Foobar UI.

Cheers and enjoy,
Andrew.


Re: Jaws with the Sirius XM on-line web-site.

Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

where can I find it?
Thanks.
regards.

Angela from italy.

Il 15/04/2012 00:10, Mike Mote ha scritto:
Hey there listers! I have recently tried to use the Sirius XM on-line player, but with no luck. Using the OCR feature in Jaws 13, I am able to see some of the screen, but can't really see any of the controls. Just wanted to see if anyone had any success with it, and how you did it.
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Re: Quickbooks, yes quickbooks, Accessible accounting/bookkeeping software

Bill Spiry
 

Great!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of John Martyn
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:52 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: Quickbooks, yes quickbooks, RE: Accessible accounting/bookkeeping
software

Well, if you can wait a little while, Quickbooks will be available to you.
Intuit and I are at work on this one. In fact, I just got done with the
initial assessment and testing of all the windows. Working pretty darn good
I'd say. I'll keep you posted.
John Martyn

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Accessible accounting/bookkeeping software

Hi all
I'm looking for accounting/bookkeeping software which is accessible with
jaws 13 on windows 7, any ideas? I'm not looking for something very advanced
it's only for a small business.

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Jaws with the Sirius XM on-line web-site.

Mike Mote <mikemote@...>
 

Hey there listers! I have recently tried to use the Sirius XM on-line player, but with no luck. Using the OCR feature in Jaws 13, I am able to see some of the screen, but can't really see any of the controls. Just wanted to see if anyone had any success with it, and how you did it.
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focus vs baum.

Juan Pablo <jpculasso@...>
 

Hi, guys,
The question is:

What braille displays have the best braille representation. Focus 40 blue or the bario conects series, for example?
Thanks so much for your answers.
Juan.
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Re: Jaws retaining settings

epierce@...
 

JAWS is what is wrong.

Microsoft updates would not have a persistent effect as far as I know. If they are causing problems, it would most likely be during the actual update process, and perhaps for a short time after.

Microsoft updates usually happen once a month.

If I understand the comments here correctly, the JAWS problems under discussion are persistent and repetitive.

I do not understand how your theory would connect a once per month event with something that is persistent.

My opinion is that Microsoft's architecture is fundamentally flawed, and unsuitable to quality disabled accessibility, but JAWS is simply adding insult to injury because of its poor quality as well.

some industry experts are predicting that the Microsoft that we have known will probably be out of business in 5 or 10 years.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 07:54:27 -0600
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>)
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Hi,

This nonsense of programs losing their settings is, in my opinion, as a
result of some Microbloat updates.
I have noticed this over the years and can pretty well tie the loss of (or
changes) settings to updates from Gates and company.
Cy
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar the Valiant Voyager
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Adrian,

And more to the point is that the switching does not necessarily relate to
MS-Office applications. It can get "tired" with IE, Adobe, Windows Mail. I
don't think it's specific to MS-Office. So now I'll just cut this short with
a stroke of the axe.
...


Re: Jaws retaining settings

Cy Selfridge
 

Hi,

This nonsense of programs losing their settings is, in my opinion, as a
result of some Microbloat updates.
I have noticed this over the years and can pretty well tie the loss of (or
changes) settings to updates from Gates and company.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Farfar the Valiant Voyager
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Adrian,

And more to the point is that the switching does not necessarily relate to
MS-Office applications. It can get "tired" with IE, Adobe, Windows Mail. I
don't think it's specific to MS-Office. So now I'll just cut this short with
a stroke of the axe.

I sleep all night, and I work all day.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 13.0.718, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 19:21
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind of
solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic and
irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the 2007 era,
but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with my Dinosaur
applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with the
combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable. I'm sure
he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example of
why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully, and all
went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis, with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed, pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching? Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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Re: Jaws retaining settings

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hi Adrian,

Maybe I should change the subject line to Jaws not retaining settings. lol.

Well, XP and Word 2003 aren't dead yet. The employer I am starting with
requires that combination. So, until all industries move on, it's still a
platform that is in considerable use. Right now I'm a happy camper and quite
glad I didn't get around to upgrading yet. I do like Word 2003 and dread the
day when I am forced to make the leap.

Jean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@AdrianSpratt.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws retaining settings


Hi, Jean.

I am also an Office 2003 hanger-on, and so I, too, would find this kind of
solution resorting to an old version of JAWS for a solution - ironic and
irritating. But in fairness, JAWS 13 was released not even in the 2007 era,
but the 2010 version of Office. I know my days of staying with my Dinosaur
applications are numbered, and FS will soon leave 2003 in its wake.

That said, Dave Carlson's comment that he experiences instability with the
combination of JAWS 13 and later Office versions is not acceptable. I'm sure
he's right because he's a lumberjack and he's okay.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings

Dave and all,

Ug, I finally went back to Jaws 8 for this project. Just another example of
why multiple versions of Jaws are needed. Word behaved beautifully, and all
went well with Jaws 8. Too bad it has to be this way.

Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farfar the Lumberjack" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws retaining settings


Jean,

That's a very good description of what I experience on a daily basis, with
many different applications. It does appear that JAWS "forgets" its settings
as I switch around in various windows during my workday. I usually notice it
first when JAWS stops reading highlighted text, and requires me to use the
Insert+7 keystroke to read the current item.

That's when I usually let out an audible sigh, kill JAWS and reload.

This was not an issue with JAWS 11 on my old XP machine. So I don't know if
its more due to Windows 7 or to JAWS 13, but I'd suspect the latter.

Write to FS and give them a couple scenarios. I doubt they'll be able to
replicate your exact results, but I'll bet that power users inside the FS
organization have already suffered the same issues.

I call it the "JAWS Getting Tired" syndrome.

Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@shaw.ca>
To: "JFW list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 08:46
Subject: Jaws retaining settings


A situation that is driving me crazy. I'm using Jaws 13, Word 2003, and
Duxbury 11.1 or whatever its most up-to-date version is. I'm working on
creating braille documents of some Word docs. My preferred method is to use
the braille template in Word, coding the document, and then as needed, pop
it into DBT with the DBT menu. This then means a lot of back and forth
between looking at the braille as I'm working, and then switching back to
the Word doc to continue.

What I'm finding is that my Jaws settings for Word very quickly get messed
up when I am alt-tabbing between documents. For example, I have styles and
attributes set to be announced, and very quickly, they are not announced. It
then very quickly gets so bad that the standard arrow keys don't read text
either. The solution seems to be to restart Word every 10 minutes or so.

Do others experience this a lot when doing a lot of document switching? Any
solutions? I noticed this unstable behaviour many versions ago, and I'm
horrified that it is still happening. Jaws 8 didn't do this, and I'd go back
to that if it worked with IE 8, but it doesn't.

Jean
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