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moderated Re: Canada now has the home annual license

 

Yes, I think it's already been in place since July.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 15, 2021 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Canada now has the home annual license

 

I just heard a quick flash message from Jaws a minute or three ago.

I looked up the transcript of the FS Cast 204 and found that apparently, Optelec now has the JAWS Annual Home License in Canada.

I thought those of you in Canada may want to know this.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 


moderated Re: extremely long links

 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 11:58 AM, Mario wrote:
plus most modern browsers have some way of copying the underlying URL.
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I literally don't know of any that don't.  If you have focus on a click-through URL and bring up the context menu in any browser I can think of, you'll be presented with an option to Copy Link Address (most Chromium-based browsers), or Copy Link (MS-Edge and Firefox).  Some even include an option to copy the text used rather than the URL itself.
 
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It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: extremely long links

Mario
 

plus most modern browsers have some way of copying the underlying URL.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Subject: extremely long links
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

The links you are talking about are great examples of crappy web
page creation. They are not using a text tag so all you get is the
full URL.

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No pun intended, but that's the long and the short of it.

The age of the "naked URL" is long dead and gone.  Any well-designed
website uses what I dub "click-through" links with the descriptive text
telling you what it is that you're clicking through for.

Even services like TinyURL get far less traffic than they once did as
people have gotten used to typing the phrase they want to use as the
text, selecting it, hitting CTRL + K to bring up the insert link dialog,
and hitting OK.  It's no more steps and, in fact, it's usually fewer.

I also agree that, absent some very sophisticated and as-yet-unavailable
AI component in screen readers, they can't and don't have a way to know
what is, and is not, likely to be relevant and to omit "likely
irrelevant" content from being announced.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*/It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between
thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly
different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power
to connect the seemingly unconnected./*

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat

Mario
 

I don't know for certain, but I would Imagine it would start with 2020 since that's when basic scripts for Zoom were included with fresh installations of JAWS.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Justin Williams [mailto:justin.williams2@gmail.com]
Subject: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 11:13 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
What version of jaws?

You can also copy the chat if you tunr on the virtual cursor and copy the window.

Thanks,

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat

thanks Ann, this will be very handy. I assume the text is virtualized and once copying what is needed, simply pressing the escape key returns to Zoom?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net]
Subject: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
I discovered to my joy that I can copy text from a zoom chat. Pressing
ctrl+1 displays the most recent chat message. Ctrl+1 presssed twice
quickly makes the text editable. then just select and copy! This is true of any chat message displayed via the ctrl+# command.






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moderated Re: extremely long links

 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
The links you are talking about are great examples of crappy web page creation. They are not using a text tag so all you get is the full URL.
-
No pun intended, but that's the long and the short of it.

The age of the "naked URL" is long dead and gone.  Any well-designed website uses what I dub "click-through" links with the descriptive text telling you what it is that you're clicking through for.

Even services like TinyURL get far less traffic than they once did as people have gotten used to typing the phrase they want to use as the text, selecting it, hitting CTRL + K to bring up the insert link dialog, and hitting OK.  It's no more steps and, in fact, it's usually fewer.

I also agree that, absent some very sophisticated and as-yet-unavailable AI component in screen readers, they can't and don't have a way to know what is, and is not, likely to be relevant and to omit "likely irrelevant" content from being announced.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Canada now has the home annual license

David Csercsics
 

Yes,I am glad for this! I subscribed this month when another podcast informed me about this. I love the braille support, but I’m still trying to figure out how to get the most of all these features. I had no idea there was so much here. I have several questions, so you may get future posts. It was a little fi.ly getting the subscription, because you click on the link to find a dealer, then that takes you to Optelec and tonight when you get there, you select the home annual license, which directs you back to the FS estore but for Canada. You do need a credit card, though. But otherwise it was quick and easy.


moderated Re: Canada now has the home annual license

Mich Verrier
 

Well yes it is a good thing it is still not the 99 price  that you get in the US it is over 100 or 200 I think. So it is good that we have it but it is  still pricier then those of you have in the US. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: September 15, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Canada now has the home annual license

 

Fantastic!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 15, 2021 11:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Canada now has the home annual license

 

I just heard a quick flash message from Jaws a minute or three ago.

I looked up the transcript of the FS Cast 204 and found that apparently, Optelec now has the JAWS Annual Home License in Canada.

I thought those of you in Canada may want to know this.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 


moderated Re: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat

Ann Byrne
 

Yes!

At 10:11 AM 9/15/2021, you wrote:
thanks Ann, this will be very handy. I assume the text is virtualized and once copying what is needed, simply pressing the escape key returns to Zoom?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net]
Subject: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
I discovered to my joy that I can copy text from a zoom chat. Pressing
ctrl+1 displays the most recent chat message. Ctrl+1 presssed twice
quickly makes the text editable. then just select and copy! This is
true of any chat message displayed via the ctrl+# command.






.





moderated Re: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat

Justin Williams
 

What version of jaws?

You can also copy the chat if you tunr on the virtual cursor and copy the window.

Thanks,

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat

thanks Ann, this will be very handy. I assume the text is virtualized and once copying what is needed, simply pressing the escape key returns to Zoom?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net]
Subject: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
I discovered to my joy that I can copy text from a zoom chat. Pressing
ctrl+1 displays the most recent chat message. Ctrl+1 presssed twice
quickly makes the text editable. then just select and copy! This is true of any chat message displayed via the ctrl+# command.






.


moderated Re: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat

Mario
 

thanks Ann, this will be very handy. I assume the text is virtualized and once copying what is needed, simply pressing the escape key returns to Zoom?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@sbcglobal.net]
Subject: Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
I discovered to my joy that I can copy text from a zoom chat.  Pressing
ctrl+1 displays the most recent chat message.  Ctrl+1 presssed twice
quickly makes the text editable.  then just select and copy!  This is
true of any chat message displayed via the ctrl+# command.






.


moderated Re: extremely long links

Richard Turner
 

I'm not clear how you would tell Jaws what links you want read and which ones you don't.
The links you are talking about are great examples of crappy web page creation. They are not using a text tag so all you get is the full URL.

I would try contacting web sites concerning this.

I find it annoying as well, but I am not sure FS is responsible to create a work around for bad web site design.

I find it very annoying when there is a link to a document be it word or pdf, but it isn't made clear in the link, so you end up opening or downloading a document when you thought you were going to a web page. Again, poor web design/lazy coding.





Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: extremely long links

Yes, and I would like the same thing for links on web pages and anywhere there is a long string of alphanumerical strings.  I feel like I have wasted so much of my life waiting for an endless string to be read only to find out that at the end is a graphic, or the wrong link, or the element is unlabeled.  Very annoying indeed.

On 9/15/2021 12:28 AM, leonard morris wrote:
I am using Jaws v2021. Which settings can I change to try and decrease
spoken long links in Thunderbird email For example:


qP3M9NjgyNzAzJmxpPSZlPWxtb3JyaXMxOTUzQGdtYWlsLmNvbSZwPTQ2ODg4NCZzdHBlP
WRlZmF1bHQmdXRtX3Rlcm09MTYzMTY1MDM0NDYwOWQ1ZDk3YzczN2E3YiZ1dG1fc291cmN
lPWNubl9GYXJlZWQlMjdzK0dsb2JhbCtCcmllZmluZyUyQytTZXB0LisxNCUyQysyMDIxJ
nV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmYnRfZWU9ejAlMkJmdHpKTTl2RW1ZY0lIeWtuRVdJR2RpZUV
LSlclMkZnMk1vY2syRUJJY3pLM0hlU244amZLNkQ4aWJKZXhDZ08mYnRfdHM9MTYzMTY1M
DM0NDYxMQ/sdcb9b1d5e






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Thanks,
Lion Marty Hutchings
BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison
(262) 605-8981
mhutchings152730@gmail.com
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisconsinbold.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9b24f84d63f44a7515df08d978434991%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637673052653787078%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=wUyB9CzvQqyS%2FjN%2BKCTWJFpK6MJ0LIyjK0AWZwa2pPc%3D&amp;reserved=0


moderated Re: Canada now has the home annual license

Cynthia Bruce
 

Fantastic!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 15, 2021 11:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Canada now has the home annual license

 

I just heard a quick flash message from Jaws a minute or three ago.

I looked up the transcript of the FS Cast 204 and found that apparently, Optelec now has the JAWS Annual Home License in Canada.

I thought those of you in Canada may want to know this.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 


moderated Canada now has the home annual license

Richard Turner
 

I just heard a quick flash message from Jaws a minute or three ago.

I looked up the transcript of the FS Cast 204 and found that apparently, Optelec now has the JAWS Annual Home License in Canada.

I thought those of you in Canada may want to know this.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 


moderated Discovery! copying text from a zoom chat

Ann Byrne
 

I discovered to my joy that I can copy text from a zoom chat. Pressing ctrl+1 displays the most recent chat message. Ctrl+1 presssed twice quickly makes the text editable. then just select and copy! This is true of any chat message displayed via the ctrl+# command.


moderated Re: extremely long links

Marty Hutchings
 

Yes, and I would like the same thing for links on web pages and anywhere there is a long string of alphanumerical strings.  I feel like I have wasted so much of my life waiting for an endless string to be read only to find out that at the end is a graphic, or the wrong link, or the element is unlabeled.  Very annoying indeed.

On 9/15/2021 12:28 AM, leonard morris wrote:
I am using Jaws v2021. Which settings can I change to try and decrease spoken long links in Thunderbird email For example:


qP3M9NjgyNzAzJmxpPSZlPWxtb3JyaXMxOTUzQGdtYWlsLmNvbSZwPTQ2ODg4NCZzdHBlPWRlZmF1bHQmdXRtX3Rlcm09MTYzMTY1MDM0NDYwOWQ1ZDk3YzczN2E3YiZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWNubl9GYXJlZWQlMjdzK0dsb2JhbCtCcmllZmluZyUyQytTZXB0LisxNCUyQysyMDIxJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmYnRfZWU9ejAlMkJmdHpKTTl2RW1ZY0lIeWtuRVdJR2RpZUVLSlclMkZnMk1vY2syRUJJY3pLM0hlU244amZLNkQ4aWJKZXhDZ08mYnRfdHM9MTYzMTY1MDM0NDYxMQ/sdcb9b1d5e




--
Thanks,
Lion Marty Hutchings
BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison
(262) 605-8981
mhutchings152730@gmail.com
www.wisconsinbold.com


moderated Re: Citrix?

Michael Mote
 

Hi Ann. Assuming JAWS is installed on both sides, your local desktop
and the Citrix platform, JAWS should work as normal, as long as it is
full screen mode. You can switch to full screen mode by pressing
Control plus the Alt key plus the pause key. This also ia assuming you
are using a full size keyboard preferably a desktop keyboard.

On 9/15/21, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My student will use citrix in her job. What does she need to know
about accessing the screen. the prliminaries are done; Citrix is
installed, etc. Does she turn off the virtual cursor? any hot keys
she needs to know?

Much thanks,

Ann







moderated Citrix?

Ann Byrne
 

My student will use citrix in her job. What does she need to know about accessing the screen. the prliminaries are done; Citrix is installed, etc. Does she turn off the virtual cursor? any hot keys she needs to know?

Much thanks,

Ann


moderated extremely long links

leonard morris
 

I am using Jaws v2021. Which settings can I change to try and decrease spoken long links in Thunderbird email For example:


qP3M9NjgyNzAzJmxpPSZlPWxtb3JyaXMxOTUzQGdtYWlsLmNvbSZwPTQ2ODg4NCZzdHBlPWRlZmF1bHQmdXRtX3Rlcm09MTYzMTY1MDM0NDYwOWQ1ZDk3YzczN2E3YiZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWNubl9GYXJlZWQlMjdzK0dsb2JhbCtCcmllZmluZyUyQytTZXB0LisxNCUyQysyMDIxJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmYnRfZWU9ejAlMkJmdHpKTTl2RW1ZY0lIeWtuRVdJR2RpZUVLSlclMkZnMk1vY2syRUJJY3pLM0hlU244amZLNkQ4aWJKZXhDZ08mYnRfdHM9MTYzMTY1MDM0NDYxMQ/sdcb9b1d5e


moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Mark
 

No worries Jeff. Thanks for sharing. It's been an interesting thread.


moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Jeff Christiansen
 

Mark

 

I am using Version 2021.2107.12

However, Richard points out an item that I did not quite understand. Alt+NumPad5, is read current sentence & does not move to start of said sentence.

Unlike, Alt+UpArrow or Alt+DownArrow, which indeed move to the start of sentence.

Apologies for adding to the  confusion.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ben Moxey
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 3:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

 

Hey everyone

 

The way the keystrokes currently work is by design. The read current sentence keystroke works exactly the same as the read current word keystroke. They let you quickly reference the current sentence or word you’re working on without moving the cursor.

 

The other sentence navigation keystrokes are titled “read prior sentence” and “read next sentence”. It may well be worth suggesting that the read prior sentence keystroke move you to the beginning of the current sentence the first time it is pressed as a user configurable option. This would align with the behaviour of the prior and next word keystrokes.

 

This is what’s stated in the official JAWS help documentation:

 

“Additional Notes on JAWS Keystrokes for Reading Text

General Notes

Most of the keystrokes for reading text move the active cursor to the beginning of the text being read. Keystrokes for reading the current character, line, word, or sentence do not move the active cursor. Most of these keystrokes work in all cursor modes. The JAWS and Invisible cursors only read text already on the screen; they cannot scroll a document in the manner the PC cursor or Virtual PC cursor can.”

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2021 12:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

 

As has been cleared up, the home key just moves to the beginning of the current line.

 

If the Jaws keys alt+up arrow, numpad5, and down-arrow say that they “move to the beginning of their respective sentence, they don’t move the cursor.  This should be reported to FS. 

I’m sorry I cannot remember who pointed out, if you do alt+up-arrow, followed by alt+down-arrow, you have the cursor at the beginning of the current sentence.  So clearly, Jaws is moving the cursor on those commands, but apparently not with alt+numpad5.

 

This is also true in the beta and I will report this.  I think this may have been a long standing bug.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

 

Hi,

If you press home key you will get to the start.

 

Andrew

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of NFB Lab 4
Sent: 14 September 2021 12:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

 

There is no single keystroke. The quickest way is to do an alt up arrow followed by an alt down arrow, or all down arrow followed by an alt up arrow. That should put you at the beginning of the sentence

 

On Sep 14, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

I tried your suggestions Jeff. What version of JAWS are you using? For me, on JAWS 2021, alt + num pad 5 reads from the start of the current sentence but does not actually move the cursor to the start.  i'm about to agree with Ben: no single keystroke exists.

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