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moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

NFB Lab 4
 

There is no single keystroke. The quickest way is to do an alt up arrow followed by an alt down arrow, or all down arrow followed by an alt up arrow. That should put you at the beginning of the sentence


On Sep 14, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

I tried your suggestions Jeff. What version of JAWS are you using? For me, on JAWS 2021, alt + num pad 5 reads from the start of the current sentence but does not actually move the cursor to the start.  i'm about to agree with Ben: no single keystroke exists.


moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Mark
 

I tried your suggestions Jeff. What version of JAWS are you using? For me, on JAWS 2021, alt + num pad 5 reads from the start of the current sentence but does not actually move the cursor to the start.  i'm about to agree with Ben: no single keystroke exists.


moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Jeff Christiansen
 

Alt+UpArrow or NumPad 8 = Move to prior sentence & speak it

Alt+NumPad 5 = Move to start of current  sentence & speak it

Alt+DownArrow or NumPad 2 = Move to next  sentence & speak it

 

I think they say this does not work? It works here for me. Only combo boxes & calendar,   are where the AltKey combinations change.

Good Luck

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 10:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

 

Hi, Mike. Move to beginning of line is not the same as move to beginning of current sentence.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

 

Mark,

 

What application are you working with?  These keystrokes are right out of Jaws keystrokes help.

Move to Beginning of Line HOME
Move to End of Line END

 

Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you're trying to accomplish the Home key should do what you want.  Make sure your screen is maximized.

 

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark

Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 4:16 PM

Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

 

The puzzle is still open. Alt + number pad 5 is the same as JAWS + h in laptop mode and reads from the start of the current sentence but doesn't actual move the cursor. The home key moves the cursor to the previous line break character but not the start of the current sentence. Alt up and alt down works but is two keystrokes. I guess I should have said I was looking for just one keystroke.


moderated Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 12:43 AM, Bill White wrote:
universal Windows command.
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The question being:  Why is this necessary?

The answer:  It's not.

It may be desirable, it may be an idea worth pursuing, but it is absolutely not necessary for virtually any computer user I know, sighted or blind, to control volume.  The idea that Windows must do this, or a screen reader must supply a method to do this, in order for it to be accessible to all is patently false.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Bill White
 

Hi, Mike. Move to beginning of line is not the same as move to beginning of current sentence.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

 

Mark,

 

What application are you working with?  These keystrokes are right out of Jaws keystrokes help.

Move to Beginning of Line HOME
Move to End of Line END

 

Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you're trying to accomplish the Home key should do what you want.  Make sure your screen is maximized.

 

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark

Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 4:16 PM

Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

 

The puzzle is still open. Alt + number pad 5 is the same as JAWS + h in laptop mode and reads from the start of the current sentence but doesn't actual move the cursor. The home key moves the cursor to the previous line break character but not the start of the current sentence. Alt up and alt down works but is two keystrokes. I guess I should have said I was looking for just one keystroke.


moderated Re: raising/lowering computer volume

Bill White
 

Hi, Sieghard. Being that we are on a list for JAWS users, we can do this, but what Ben is talking about is a universal Windows command. What about those using Narrator? They don't have an unmute command, or one that automatically raises volume.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

I don't disagree with this, but playing devil's advocate I should point out that one could then also ask for many more Windows shortcuts for things which can already be done with your screenreader and which for 99% of users are probably useless because they just click on the little speaker icon with the mouse and do what they need to do. Jaws has both volume and unmuting the soundcard covered since a screen refresh, Jaws Key + Escape, unmutes the default soundcard and raises the volume to a medium level if the soundcard is muted.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: September 13, 2021 2:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Hi, Ben. I agree with you concerning adding Windows universal keystrokes to raise and lower system volume. I don't think you have gone far enough, however. I also believe Microsoft should add a Windows universal keystroke that would toggle muting and unmuting the current sound card. It won't do you any good to raise the system volume if some sighted person has muted sound, and you don't know it, or don't know how to get to where you can unmute the sound, while you have no sound to use for navigation purposes.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben Moxey
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Hey Dave

 

Thank you and very well explained! I’m aware of these methods. My suggestion to Microsoft is to add universal Windows keystrokes that will adjust volume. That way, a user would know exactly what keys to press, regardless of the hardware or screen reader they’re using.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, 13 September 2021 9:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Ben:
 
Using methods one or two, which Siegard suggests, you get a defined Windows audible sound, and JAWS announces the volume change, when you press the UP or, Down arrow keys to raise and lower the system volume.
 
1. Bring up the system tray with Jaws + F11, arrow down to your speaker icon, press enter and from the context menu select volume mixer. Then use up and down arrow to change the volume

2. To directly bring up the volume mixer press the Windows Key and type "SndVol" and press enter, this stands for "sound volume" and after pressing enter you again use up and down arrow to change the volume, press enter or Escape to exit after changing the volume.


3. Using the Adjust Volume  applet. Tap either WINDOWS KEY. Type: adjust volume or, volume  in the search edit field and press ENTER. This opens the "Setting < System < Sound, applet. Windows will more than likely delimit to the applet, as soon as you type the first three letters of adjust or  volume.
 
 By default, the first item displayed is: "change the device or app volume link".

 

Press SHIFT+TAB ONCE. JAWS says, "Change device volume left right slider".

 

Use the UP or DOWN ARROW keys, to increase or decrease the system volume.


Press ALT+F4, to close the applet.

 

Using this method, the volume changes by single digitss.

 

4. using the JAWS method, which came into effect in Version 2021. Press JAWS KEY+SPACE BAR, followed by V, followed by S, for the system volume, or J, for the JAWS volume. Use the UP or, DOWN arrow keys, to increase or, decrease either volume.

 

Press ESC or, ALT+F4. A decending 2-tone is played, and the window is closed.

 

Using this method, the volume increases or decreases by 2 digits. JAWS speaks the volume changes  but, there is no Windows audible sound when you press the UP or DOWN arrow keys.
 
HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ben Moxey

Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 1:58 AM

Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Hi everyone

 

Great suggestions! 😊 Personally, I've always found it frustrating that Windows does not have universal keyboard shortcuts that adjust volume. Coincidentally, I provided this feedback to Microsoft about two weeks back via the Feedback Hub in Windows.

 

For those not familiar, the Feedback Hub is an official way to provide feedback directly to Microsoft and can be accessed by pressing Windows key + Alt + F. Feedback can then be voted on by other Windows users and the most popular/relevant is escalated.

 

Anyway, my suggestion was basically to set Windows key + F11 and F12 to adjust system volume. I also stated that it would be great to have an optional sound effect that plays while adjusting volume for those who cannot see the visual representation. I think this would be a great accessibility enhancement.

 

If you agree, please feel free to go and view my feedback and give it a vote via the link below. Unfortunately, it can be tricky to have feedback like this recognised because most users haven't experienced this difficulty. Note that when you activate the link, you will get a message asking you if it’s ok to open Feedback Hub.

 

Adjusting Windows Volume Feedback

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 12 September 2021 12:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Using the Jaws layered command is one option.

If you want to raise the overall volume then there are two additional options:

 

If you have a keyboard with volume buttons this would be one of the easiest ways, if there are no dedicated volume buttons or on a laptop, often FN + a Function Key will do the trick.

On my Asus laptop FN + F11 is volume down, FN + F12 is volume up and FN + F10 is Mute/Unmute. I often use a Logitech K780 keyboard with my laptop and since it has no dedicated volume buttons or knob, the same key combinations work, furthermore, FN + F7, F8 and F9 are media keys for Rewind, Play/Pause and Forward/Skip respectively.

My mechanical keyboards at work which are from a company called "Das Keyboard" have a really nice round knob on the top right of the keyboard and next to it a Mute/Unmute button and buttons for Rewind, Play/Pause and Forward.

 

Lastly, if you don't have any buttons you can bring up the computer's volume mixer in two main ways:

1. Bring up the system tray with Jaws + F11, arrow down to your speaker icon, press enter and from the context menu select volume mixer. Then use up and down arrow to change the volume 2. To directly bring up the volume mixer press the Windows Key and type "SndVol" and press enter, this stands for "sound volume" and after pressing enter you again use up and down arrow to change the volume, press enter or Escape to exit after changing the volume.

3. You can create a shortcut for the volume mixer and either put it on the desktop and create a shortcut like Control + Shift + V or put the shortcut on the taskbar, move it to whichever position you want, let's say 2, and then use Windows Key + 2 on the number row to open it. Windows Key + keys 1 through 0 are the Windows shortcut keys for opening applications 1 through 10 on the taskbar and in my opinion are the best option for your most used applications or shortcuts because once on the taskbar you don't have to create a keyboard shortcut and you can open the item from anywhere.

 

 

----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong

Sent: September 10, 2021 5:47 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Use the JAWS layered command INSERT+SPACE then v. Enter s after that to adjust the system volume or j to adjust the JAWS volume. Use the up and down arrow keys to make the adjustment then press Escape.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin

Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 6:35 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Hi all,

Can someone please remind me how to raise/lower the volume on my computer? I can't remember how to do it. Using latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10.

Thanks

Madison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: i meed two links polease.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

1 glass wine and how many shots of Tequila?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 13, 2021 7:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

Well, ignore my previous message.
I only had one glass of wine with dinner, so that wasn't the problem, but for some reason I responded to the wrong email.

The link you sent that works for both versions is
https://blindhelp.net/software/virtual-recorder-13




Later,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 6:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

That is correct, I hadn't tried the links assuming they worked. Now I Googled it again and found the below site which goes into much more detail and this time I tried the download link although only the one for the installer and not the portable, but it downloaded fine:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblindhelp.net%2Fsoftware%2Fvirtual-recorder-13&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb07006ed82064f17a60208d9771b6411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671781786701096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=v2czm%2FX2uHJ7O0VPEtiICY%2FY98dA%2FiLpfqkww9PRuQY%3D&amp;reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: September 13, 2021 5:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

for anyone interested in getting this program, using the address Sieghard provided, I got a file not found message when using Chrome and Firefox.

browsing to the following address and activating the download link for the installer and portable versions, I get a 404 message.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorder&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb07006ed82064f17a60208d9771b6411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671781786711052%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=gXpStyfpppj%2Bb5YV%2FrQr8sJRnIaS2zzNtfcvLCEGYSo%3D&amp;reserved=0

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Subject: i meed two links polease.
Date: Monday, September 13, 2021, 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Here is all you need to know, found by doing a Google search for "Virtual Recorder":

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorderThe&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb07006ed82064f17a60208d9771b6411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671781786711052%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3QbeUkyGC2oZaiJt9%2BNkgXfoC6HoNqVyP1UHVCMCG2o%3D&amp;reserved=0
queestion

Then of course you have to ask yourself if you need it, not everybody has a use for such a utility.

Sent: September 13, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

I've never heard of Virtual Recorder. What is it, and how can I get it?

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i meed two links polease.

does anyone have a link to virtual recorder, the one Carlos fixed for us?

also i need a link to pontes media downloader please thanks. Jim


moderated Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 07:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And I should point out that on pretty much every laptop volume keys exist and for sighted people they are clearly identified and of course just about all half-way decent USB keyboards have volume control buttons or a slider or knob.
-
Thank you.  I don't care what your visual status happens to be, it is up to you as a device owner to actually learn how your device works.

I'm all for accessibility, and have exhibited that repeatedly, but having to "memorize" that something such as FN + F6 is Mute, FN + F7 is volume down, and FN + F8 is Volume up for the device you own is not too much to ask.  It's 100% keyboard accessible.

Not that I'd mind if Windows were to introduce keyboard shortcuts, but it's not up to the OS makers to handle what's generally already available in the hardware.

And, by definition, all accessibility features only benefit a minority.  I worry a lot more about what is actually inaccessible, rather than not accessible by any given user's preferred way.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: i meed two links polease.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well, ignore my previous message.
I only had one glass of wine with dinner, so that wasn't the problem, but for some reason I responded to the wrong email.

The link you sent that works for both versions is
https://blindhelp.net/software/virtual-recorder-13




Later,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 6:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

That is correct, I hadn't tried the links assuming they worked. Now I Googled it again and found the below site which goes into much more detail and this time I tried the download link although only the one for the installer and not the portable, but it downloaded fine:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblindhelp.net%2Fsoftware%2Fvirtual-recorder-13&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb07006ed82064f17a60208d9771b6411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671781786701096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=v2czm%2FX2uHJ7O0VPEtiICY%2FY98dA%2FiLpfqkww9PRuQY%3D&amp;reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: September 13, 2021 5:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

for anyone interested in getting this program, using the address Sieghard provided, I got a file not found message when using Chrome and Firefox.

browsing to the following address and activating the download link for the installer and portable versions, I get a 404 message.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorder&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb07006ed82064f17a60208d9771b6411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671781786711052%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=gXpStyfpppj%2Bb5YV%2FrQr8sJRnIaS2zzNtfcvLCEGYSo%3D&amp;reserved=0

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Subject: i meed two links polease.
Date: Monday, September 13, 2021, 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Here is all you need to know, found by doing a Google search for "Virtual Recorder":

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorderThe&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb07006ed82064f17a60208d9771b6411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671781786711052%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3QbeUkyGC2oZaiJt9%2BNkgXfoC6HoNqVyP1UHVCMCG2o%3D&amp;reserved=0
queestion

Then of course you have to ask yourself if you need it, not everybody has a use for such a utility.

Sent: September 13, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

I've never heard of Virtual Recorder. What is it, and how can I get it?

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i meed two links polease.

does anyone have a link to virtual recorder, the one Carlos fixed for us?

also i need a link to pontes media downloader please thanks. Jim


moderated Re: i meed two links polease.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Hi Sieghard,

 

Good sleuthing on your part.

I had responded to your prior message.

 

The links in your below message work quite well for either version.

 

I was just curious.  I own GoldWave and use it for most of these needs, but I may install this one and see how simple it is or isn’t.

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 6:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

 

The new link I provided definitely works for me, it has a lot of information on how to set up and use the program and then links for both the installer and portable version..

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 13, 2021 6:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

 

Neither link seems to work. So why not use the email on the web page to contact someone?

Here it is:

 

 

vanphong@...

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner 

  

 

 

 

 

website:  www.turner42.com

 

 

On Sep 13, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

for anyone interested in getting this program, using the address Sieghard provided, I got a file not found message when using Chrome and Firefox.

browsing to the following address and activating the download link for the installer and portable versions, I get a 404 message.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorder&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb78c8f2bc9e04a28e0c508d9771a67da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671777560466524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=5CTP7h%2BnUn8PvXwiPN67G%2Fh0P7ikU5nd5b4cnbQVBP8%3D&amp;reserved=0

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@...]
Subject: i meed two links polease.
Date: Monday, September 13, 2021, 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Here is all you need to know, found by doing a Google search for "Virtual Recorder":

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorderThe&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb78c8f2bc9e04a28e0c508d9771a67da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671777560466524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=LNwmI1GRNlpG2nFOIGInuPUuBxu%2FUBp%2BF2X1%2BxVSS88%3D&amp;reserved=0 queestion

Then of course you have to ask yourself if you need it, not everybody has a use for such a utility.

Sent: September 13, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

I've never heard of Virtual Recorder. What is it, and how can I get it?

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i meed two links polease.

does anyone have a link to virtual recorder, the one Carlos fixed for us?

also i need a link to pontes media downloader please thanks. Jim






















moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Mike B.
 


I'm no punctuation expert, but I wonder if punctuation marks like line breaks or section breaks might be interfering with way Jaws is reading your current line.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

I just tried with notepad and classic scheme.  The home key moved the cursor to the left edge of the window and not the start of the current sentence.  I'm using JAWS 2021.


moderated Re: i meed two links polease.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

The new link I provided definitely works for me, it has a lot of information on how to set up and use the program and then links for both the installer and portable version..

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 13, 2021 6:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

 

Neither link seems to work. So why not use the email on the web page to contact someone?

Here it is:

 

 

vanphong@...

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner 

  

 

 

 

 

website:  www.turner42.com

 



On Sep 13, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

for anyone interested in getting this program, using the address Sieghard provided, I got a file not found message when using Chrome and Firefox.

browsing to the following address and activating the download link for the installer and portable versions, I get a 404 message.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorder&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb78c8f2bc9e04a28e0c508d9771a67da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671777560466524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=5CTP7h%2BnUn8PvXwiPN67G%2Fh0P7ikU5nd5b4cnbQVBP8%3D&amp;reserved=0

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@...]
Subject: i meed two links polease.
Date: Monday, September 13, 2021, 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Here is all you need to know, found by doing a Google search for "Virtual Recorder":

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorderThe&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb78c8f2bc9e04a28e0c508d9771a67da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671777560466524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=LNwmI1GRNlpG2nFOIGInuPUuBxu%2FUBp%2BF2X1%2BxVSS88%3D&amp;reserved=0 queestion

Then of course you have to ask yourself if you need it, not everybody has a use for such a utility.

Sent: September 13, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

I've never heard of Virtual Recorder. What is it, and how can I get it?

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i meed two links polease.

does anyone have a link to virtual recorder, the one Carlos fixed for us?

also i need a link to pontes media downloader please thanks. Jim























moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Mark
 

I just tried with notepad and classic scheme.  The home key moved the cursor to the left edge of the window and not the start of the current sentence.  I'm using JAWS 2021.


moderated Re: i meed two links polease.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Neither link seems to work. So why not use the email on the web page to contact someone?
Here it is:


vanphong@...



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner 
  




website:  www.turner42.com


On Sep 13, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

for anyone interested in getting this program, using the address Sieghard provided, I got a file not found message when using Chrome and Firefox.

browsing to the following address and activating the download link for the installer and portable versions, I get a 404 message.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorder&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb78c8f2bc9e04a28e0c508d9771a67da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671777560466524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=5CTP7h%2BnUn8PvXwiPN67G%2Fh0P7ikU5nd5b4cnbQVBP8%3D&amp;reserved=0

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@...]
Subject: i meed two links polease.
Date: Monday, September 13, 2021, 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Here is all you need to know, found by doing a Google search for "Virtual Recorder":

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.saomaicenter.org%2Fen%2Fdownloads%2Fmedia%2Fvirtual-recorderThe&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb78c8f2bc9e04a28e0c508d9771a67da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671777560466524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=LNwmI1GRNlpG2nFOIGInuPUuBxu%2FUBp%2BF2X1%2BxVSS88%3D&amp;reserved=0 queestion

Then of course you have to ask yourself if you need it, not everybody has a use for such a utility.

Sent: September 13, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

I've never heard of Virtual Recorder. What is it, and how can I get it?

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i meed two links polease.

does anyone have a link to virtual recorder, the one Carlos fixed for us?

also i need a link to pontes media downloader please thanks. Jim
























moderated Re: i meed two links polease.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

That is correct, I hadn't tried the links assuming they worked. Now I Googled it again and found the below site which goes into much more detail and this time I tried the download link although only the one for the installer and not the portable, but it downloaded fine:

https://blindhelp.net/software/virtual-recorder-13

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: September 13, 2021 5:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

for anyone interested in getting this program, using the address Sieghard provided, I got a file not found message when using Chrome and Firefox.

browsing to the following address and activating the download link for the installer and portable versions, I get a 404 message.

https://www.saomaicenter.org/en/downloads/media/virtual-recorder

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Subject: i meed two links polease.
Date: Monday, September 13, 2021, 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Here is all you need to know, found by doing a Google search for "Virtual Recorder":

https://www.saomaicenter.org/en/downloads/media/virtual-recorderThe
queestion

Then of course you have to ask yourself if you need it, not everybody has a use for such a utility.

Sent: September 13, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

I've never heard of Virtual Recorder. What is it, and how can I get it?

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i meed two links polease.

does anyone have a link to virtual recorder, the one Carlos fixed for us?

also i need a link to pontes media downloader please thanks. Jim


moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Mike B.
 


Okay, I just experimented with both Notepad and Word using several sentences that were at least 10 words in length.
 
In both instances the Home key took me to the beginning of the line I was reading / was highlighted, but the difference is that I don't have any line breaks.  Have you tried changing your speech and sound scheme to get the results you want?  I'm using the Word Classic scheme in Word and the Classic scheme in Notepad.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Mike,  I'm working with Word, although I think it happens in notepad too.    Imagine a paragraph with 3 sentences, each 10 words long. Put the cursor in the second sentence at about 5 words in.  The goal is to move the cursor to the start of the second sentence with one keystroke.  JAWS + h will read the second sentence but not move the cursor.  Alt + Up moves the cursor to the start of the 1st sentence. Home moves the cursor to the most recent line break, which isn't necessarily the start of the 2nd sentence. 


moderated Re: i meed two links polease.

Mario
 

for anyone interested in getting this program, using the address Sieghard provided, I got a file not found message when using Chrome and Firefox.

browsing to the following address and activating the download link for the installer and portable versions, I get a 404 message.

https://www.saomaicenter.org/en/downloads/media/virtual-recorder

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Subject: i meed two links polease.
Date: Monday, September 13, 2021, 8:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Here is all you need to know, found by doing a Google search for "Virtual Recorder":

https://www.saomaicenter.org/en/downloads/media/virtual-recorderThe queestion

Then of course you have to ask yourself if you need it, not everybody has a use for such a utility.

Sent: September 13, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

I've never heard of Virtual Recorder. What is it, and how can I get it?

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i meed two links polease.

does anyone have a link to virtual recorder, the one Carlos fixed for us?

also i need a link to pontes media downloader please thanks. Jim


moderated Re: moving cursor to start of current sentence

Mark
 

Mike,  I'm working with Word, although I think it happens in notepad too.    Imagine a paragraph with 3 sentences, each 10 words long. Put the cursor in the second sentence at about 5 words in.  The goal is to move the cursor to the start of the second sentence with one keystroke.  JAWS + h will read the second sentence but not move the cursor.  Alt + Up moves the cursor to the start of the 1st sentence. Home moves the cursor to the most recent line break, which isn't necessarily the start of the 2nd sentence. 


moderated Re: raising/lowering computer volume

Ben Moxey
 

Hi Sieghard

 

Respectfully, I do not think it’s acceptable to discount accessibility enhancements because they only affect a minority. I also think it’s important to advocate for accessibility of mainstream products, rather than just accept shortcomings.

 

This is all I will say on the subject.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2021 9:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

And I should point out that on pretty much every laptop volume keys exist and for sighted people they are clearly identified and of course just about all half-way decent USB keyboards have volume control buttons or a slider or knob.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ben Moxey
Sent: September 13, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Agreed, Bill. I meant to suggest Windows key + F10 as a mute toggle. I’ll see if I can edit my feedback tonight. I’ve never tried before.

 

In the meantime, those who have JAWS 2018 or later can unmute by pressing JAWS + Escape.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2021 7:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Hi, Ben. I agree with you concerning adding Windows universal keystrokes to raise and lower system volume. I don't think you have gone far enough, however. I also believe Microsoft should add a Windows universal keystroke that would toggle muting and unmuting the current sound card. It won't do you any good to raise the system volume if some sighted person has muted sound, and you don't know it, or don't know how to get to where you can unmute the sound, while you have no sound to use for navigation purposes.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben Moxey
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Hey Dave

 

Thank you and very well explained! I’m aware of these methods. My suggestion to Microsoft is to add universal Windows keystrokes that will adjust volume. That way, a user would know exactly what keys to press, regardless of the hardware or screen reader they’re using.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, 13 September 2021 9:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Ben:
 
Using methods one or two, which Siegard suggests, you get a defined Windows audible sound, and JAWS announces the volume change, when you press the UP or, Down arrow keys to raise and lower the system volume.
 
1. Bring up the system tray with Jaws + F11, arrow down to your speaker icon, press enter and from the context menu select volume mixer. Then use up and down arrow to change the volume

2. To directly bring up the volume mixer press the Windows Key and type "SndVol" and press enter, this stands for "sound volume" and after pressing enter you again use up and down arrow to change the volume, press enter or Escape to exit after changing the volume.


3. Using the Adjust Volume  applet. Tap either WINDOWS KEY. Type: adjust volume or, volume  in the search edit field and press ENTER. This opens the "Setting < System < Sound, applet. Windows will more than likely delimit to the applet, as soon as you type the first three letters of adjust or  volume.
 
 By default, the first item displayed is: "change the device or app volume link".

 

Press SHIFT+TAB ONCE. JAWS says, "Change device volume left right slider".

 

Use the UP or DOWN ARROW keys, to increase or decrease the system volume.


Press ALT+F4, to close the applet.

 

Using this method, the volume changes by single digitss.

 

4. using the JAWS method, which came into effect in Version 2021. Press JAWS KEY+SPACE BAR, followed by V, followed by S, for the system volume, or J, for the JAWS volume. Use the UP or, DOWN arrow keys, to increase or, decrease either volume.

 

Press ESC or, ALT+F4. A decending 2-tone is played, and the window is closed.

 

Using this method, the volume increases or decreases by 2 digits. JAWS speaks the volume changes  but, there is no Windows audible sound when you press the UP or DOWN arrow keys.
 
HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ben Moxey

Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2021 1:58 AM

Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Hi everyone

 

Great suggestions! 😊 Personally, I've always found it frustrating that Windows does not have universal keyboard shortcuts that adjust volume. Coincidentally, I provided this feedback to Microsoft about two weeks back via the Feedback Hub in Windows.

 

For those not familiar, the Feedback Hub is an official way to provide feedback directly to Microsoft and can be accessed by pressing Windows key + Alt + F. Feedback can then be voted on by other Windows users and the most popular/relevant is escalated.

 

Anyway, my suggestion was basically to set Windows key + F11 and F12 to adjust system volume. I also stated that it would be great to have an optional sound effect that plays while adjusting volume for those who cannot see the visual representation. I think this would be a great accessibility enhancement.

 

If you agree, please feel free to go and view my feedback and give it a vote via the link below. Unfortunately, it can be tricky to have feedback like this recognised because most users haven't experienced this difficulty. Note that when you activate the link, you will get a message asking you if it’s ok to open Feedback Hub.

 

Adjusting Windows Volume Feedback

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 12 September 2021 12:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Using the Jaws layered command is one option.

If you want to raise the overall volume then there are two additional options:

 

If you have a keyboard with volume buttons this would be one of the easiest ways, if there are no dedicated volume buttons or on a laptop, often FN + a Function Key will do the trick.

On my Asus laptop FN + F11 is volume down, FN + F12 is volume up and FN + F10 is Mute/Unmute. I often use a Logitech K780 keyboard with my laptop and since it has no dedicated volume buttons or knob, the same key combinations work, furthermore, FN + F7, F8 and F9 are media keys for Rewind, Play/Pause and Forward/Skip respectively.

My mechanical keyboards at work which are from a company called "Das Keyboard" have a really nice round knob on the top right of the keyboard and next to it a Mute/Unmute button and buttons for Rewind, Play/Pause and Forward.

 

Lastly, if you don't have any buttons you can bring up the computer's volume mixer in two main ways:

1. Bring up the system tray with Jaws + F11, arrow down to your speaker icon, press enter and from the context menu select volume mixer. Then use up and down arrow to change the volume 2. To directly bring up the volume mixer press the Windows Key and type "SndVol" and press enter, this stands for "sound volume" and after pressing enter you again use up and down arrow to change the volume, press enter or Escape to exit after changing the volume.

3. You can create a shortcut for the volume mixer and either put it on the desktop and create a shortcut like Control + Shift + V or put the shortcut on the taskbar, move it to whichever position you want, let's say 2, and then use Windows Key + 2 on the number row to open it. Windows Key + keys 1 through 0 are the Windows shortcut keys for opening applications 1 through 10 on the taskbar and in my opinion are the best option for your most used applications or shortcuts because once on the taskbar you don't have to create a keyboard shortcut and you can open the item from anywhere.

 

 

----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong

Sent: September 10, 2021 5:47 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Use the JAWS layered command INSERT+SPACE then v. Enter s after that to adjust the system volume or j to adjust the JAWS volume. Use the up and down arrow keys to make the adjustment then press Escape.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin

Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 6:35 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: raising/lowering computer volume

 

Hi all,

Can someone please remind me how to raise/lower the volume on my computer? I can't remember how to do it. Using latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10.

Thanks

Madison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: i meed two links polease.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Here is all you need to know, found by doing a Google search for "Virtual Recorder":
https://www.saomaicenter.org/en/downloads/media/virtual-recorderThe queestion

Then of course you have to ask yourself if you need it, not everybody has a use for such a utility.

Sent: September 13, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: i meed two links polease.

I've never heard of Virtual Recorder. What is it, and how can I get it?

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: i meed two links polease.

does anyone have a link to virtual recorder, the one Carlos fixed for us?

also i need a link to pontes media downloader please thanks. Jim

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