On Sep 9, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

The simple answer is, "Don't."

If you're using Gmail you really want any changes you make in Outlook synced to Gmail, and vice versa, as far as contacts go.  Why Microsoft has not created a graceful interface to third party contacts and calendars I will never understand.

I have recommended both Go Contact Sync Mod and Fruux Basic (if you only have a couple of accounts, as it's paid beyond 2 accounts or two devices - also requires you to create an account with them) when the need arises to sync contact information between Gmail and the Outlook Address Book.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

I have Office 365 and am running the most current version of JAWS. How do I import contacts from gmail to my Outlook contact list?

I don't experience this, for me Jaws correctly read the section symbol when I read your message and even now when composing a message where I have inserted the same symbol below Jaws speaks it correctly. Unfortunately I have no idea why it won't speak it for you, I use Eloquence by the way, not sure if it could be specific to the synthesizer you use if you use a different one.

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Hi Richard, I believe I heard something about this issue on a different mailing list, but I didn’t pay much of attention; however, if I recall well, it was something related to spelling alphanumeric data or spelling phonetically. You may check them out. In my case, this is not happening at all, and I have both of those options turned off. I’m sorry for the vagueness  of my feedback, but that’s all I got, may be someone familiarized with this issue will give you spot-on instructions.

Hi!

I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Various basic symbols are not being spoken presently, when in the past they were.  For example, below is the “section symbol”:

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Instead of JAWS speaking “section” it says “character 167.”  This symbol was inserted above using the JAWSKey+4 command.  So, it is not some rare, strange symbol.  In the past, JAWS use to properly speak it.

What has changed?  Is it, perhaps, some setting in my speech scheme or some other setting?

Thanks,

Richard

Hi Richard, I believe I heard something about this issue on a different mailing list, but I didn’t pay much of attention; however, if I recall well, it was something related to spelling alphanumeric data or spelling phonetically. You may check them out. In my case, this is not happening at all, and I have both of those options turned off. I’m sorry for the vagueness  of my feedback, but that’s all I got, may be someone familiarized with this issue will give you spot-on instructions.

Hi!

I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Various basic symbols are not being spoken presently, when in the past they were.  For example, below is the “section symbol”:

§

Instead of JAWS speaking “section” it says “character 167.”  This symbol was inserted above using the JAWSKey+4 command.  So, it is not some rare, strange symbol.  In the past, JAWS use to properly speak it.

What has changed?  Is it, perhaps, some setting in my speech scheme or some other setting?

Thanks,

Richard

Hi!

I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Various basic symbols are not being spoken presently, when in the past they were.  For example, below is the “section symbol”:

§

Instead of JAWS speaking “section” it says “character 167.”  This symbol was inserted above using the JAWSKey+4 command.  So, it is not some rare, strange symbol.  In the past, JAWS use to properly speak it.

What has changed?  Is it, perhaps, some setting in my speech scheme or some other setting?

Thanks,

Richard

----- Original Message -----

From: Richard Turner

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2021 9:32 AM

Subject: Re: Accessible PST Viewer?

I’ve never used one, but a quick web search found there are lots of free ones.

If you don’t hear from someone who has done this already, you may want to check some out.  I’d certainly run a virus scan on the .exe file before installing or reading lots of reviews ahead of time.

 

I have always had Outlook, so have had no need for this but it sounds like a very useful tool for folks in your situation.

 

Good luck,

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner

 

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 11:47 PM
To: JAWS For Windows Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessible PST Viewer?

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

Do any of you guys know what PST viewer is accessible to screenreaders like JAWS? I'd like to find a way to extract Contacts from an Outlook .pst folder without having Outlook on my computer. This way, I can add them to my Contacts folder within Windows. Anybody have any suggestions for me?

Hi Michelle and Jonathan,

I am deafblind. I have no issue with my braille display starting at login, provided it is connected by USB. Sometimes the Bluetooth protocol is slow at connecting at login. I don’t know about speech as I cannot hear.

Secondly, the Brailiant BI 32 as far as I am aware does not support HID Protocol. I strongly suggest selecting another option.

If that doesn’t work my next step would be to check to see if the COM Port has been set correctly in Device Manger. To do this press the WIN Key and type in Device Manger and hit ENTER. When the Device Manger has opened press TAB once. Now down arrow to “Port (COM & LPT) then Right Arrow. Right click on the COM Port listed in JAWS. It could say something like COM 4. Then press ENTER. Then navigate to “Update driver”, then select the option to "Browse my Computer". On the next screen, are probably a number of options to choose from but the one that works best for me was "USB Serial Device". Once selected click OK to confirm your selection.

If you are still having trouble please email me off list and I’ll endeavour to help you with this issue.

Paul

To do this press the WIN Key and type “Device Manager”

Hello,

Hi.

There really shouldn’t’ be any instability. We’re talking about a kind of feature that has been around for as long as word processors or text editors themselves. It may just be a matter of getting familiar with Word’s little quirks, I guess.

I have found that both are unstable. I sometimes try one and then the other before I find the one that works. I didn’t know about control+H.

Shirley

Shirley Tracy

Hi Curtis/all,

While control-f appears not to be working effectively any longer, I use jawskey-contrl-f and it usually works well.

                                                                Hope this helps,

                                                Takis

Greetings:

Control f while focused in a document in Word always has worked and continues to work for me. Something peculiar is happening as I believe this is the intended behavior in Word since time immemorial. Now, sometimes, after typing my search string and pressing enter and then escape, I find my focus in not on the word for which I was searching. But if I then press Control with page down, my focus moves where it is supposed t go.

Having Control with f not working in Word  is definitely a problem.

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

Hi, Brian. I just tried escape to clear the search dialog, and, not only did it not clear the search dialog, it did what Ann Byrne referred to in her last message. When I pressed CONTROL plus F, JAWS spoke nothing, and there was no search dialog box. This is why I clear the search in the search pane by going to it by using F6, and clearing the search box there.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to use Find feature in MS Word

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 12:51 PM, Bill White wrote:

What has changed is that, once you have entered a search term into the search box, it is difficult to get the Find feature to search properly.

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Bill,

Try hitting Escape once you're done with the current search/find.  That clears the current search term and the next time you hit CTRL+F you're right back where you need to enter it.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

On 9 Sep 2021, at 6:18 am, Life in Six Dots <hello@...> wrote:



Hi Michelle and Jonathan,

 

I am deafblind. I have no issue with my braille display starting at login, provided it is connected by USB. Sometimes the Bluetooth protocol is slow at connecting at login. I don’t know about speech as I cannot hear.

 

Secondly, the Brailiant BI 32 as far as I am aware does not support HID Protocol. I strongly suggest selecting another option.

 

If that doesn’t work my next step would be to check to see if the COM Port has been set correctly in Device Manger. To do this press the WIN Key and type in Device Manger and hit ENTER. When the Device Manger has opened press TAB once. Now down arrow to “Port (COM & LPT) then Right Arrow. Right click on the COM Port listed in JAWS. It could say something like COM 4. Then press ENTER. Then navigate to “Update driver”, then select the option to "Browse my Computer". On the next screen, are probably a number of options to choose from but the one that works best for me was "USB Serial Device". Once selected click OK to confirm your selection.

 

If you are still having trouble please email me off list and I’ll endeavour to help you with this issue.

 

Paul

 

 

To do this press the WIN Key and type “Device Manager”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 08 September 2021 20:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: braille-display-users@groups.io
Subject: Re: problems jfw loading brailliant

 

Hello,

The only suggestion I have tis to  check the firmware version of your Brailliant bi. The  Humanware software used to install drivers also has a button to upgrade the firmware. You do need to be connected via USB.

 

Best of luck!

Jonathan 

On Sep 8, 2021, at 04:44, Michelle's Home Emails <m1stevens@...> wrote:

 

Hello, Michelle Stevens here, I am posting this on behalf of our Coordinator at Deafblind Victoria. 

 

 

I work with Deafblind Victoria, a community group run by and for Deafblind people in Victoria Australia.

 

I set up a Bralliant BI 32 braille display on a Windows 10 machine running JAWS 2021 Professional,   for use by multiple users with different logins. Each user is deafblind and so relies on the braille display output from JAWS.

JAWS has the Brailliant BI set as the default braille display in each user's instance of JAWS. The connection is via USB and the port set in JAWS is USB. The driver being used is the built-in Windows USB driver. The protocol on the Brailliant BI is set to the HID protocol of OpenBraille.

If I turn the computer on, JAWS communicates with the display at the login prompt and then after the login prompt. The problem comes when I switch users. 

At the login for the new user, JAWS stops talking with the braille display sometimes, or if it does display the login prompt, then after login I get the message "Cannot find braille driver".

The work around is to then remove and reinsert the USB cable and then JAWS finds the display and works. However, when restarting the computer, JAWS may not find the braille display automatically at the login screen, thus making the workaround tricky for deafblind users - they do not know if the login screen has loaded.

I have restored the default settings on the Brailliant BI, set the port again to USB and the protocol to OpenBraille, as advised by HumanWare, to no avail.

Is this a bug with a timing issue of JAWS loading the braille driver or am I missing a step?

 

Thanks in advance for your help,

 

Ntennis Davi

deafblindvictoria.com 

 

Shirley,

You can differ with me if you like, it doesn't change the fact that this is most likely a software problem on your machine, or something you're doing.

The fact that you never had problems with find before support my position, they don't weaken it.  There are a couple of people who've reported issues in this very topic, which is about problems with find, while as many or more say they're not having them.  That supports my position, too.  If these were actual widespread bugs a very, very great many people should be having the same, or very similar issues.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 04:32 PM, JM Casey wrote:

There really shouldn’t’ be any instability. We’re talking about a kind of feature that has been around for as long as word processors or text editors themselves.

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Precisely.

Were this instability anything near to universal or common the complaints from the embedded user base of MS-Word would be many and loud.

People just don't seem to want to accept that when something "quirky" is happening for them, but for very few others, the issue is likely one that lies either with some corruption in the installed software or the end user.

Ask anyone who is a professional computer technician, and they'll agree:  Most Computer Issues Are Idiosyncratic – Not Global
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer